Evangelism - Evolution

2007-12-23 Thread Oded Arbel
Speaking about bugs, I would appreciate it if people who use GNOME's
Evolution to read mail would subscribe for bug 490241 in GNOME's
bugzilla (link below) which I'm trying to promote as a comprehensive
list of BiDi editing problems in Evolution.

As everyone who ever tried writing Hebrew email (and possibly Arabic
also) in Evolution knows, anything other then a few words is very
annoying to write as almost any kind of text editing you want to do is
messed up horribly in Evolution's mail composer. 

The ticket above received some notice as one of the developers assigned
the correct keyword to the ticket, but otherwise it got no attention
what so ever, and I would really like to promote BiDi awareness in
Evolution - as currently there is none. If you'd like to help the cause,
it easy - just register to GNOME bugzilla (standard procedure with email
confirmation) and CC yourself on this bug. If you'd like to comment with
your own horror stories go ahead, but please no me too comments - I
don't want to SPAM the developers, just get more awareness (I think that
the emails that get auto-CCed according to product and component do not
receive notification on adding/removing CCs).

Direct link to the bug report:
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=490241

Thanks in advance.

-- 

Oded


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Re: Evangelism - Evolution

2007-12-23 Thread Gilboa Davara

On Sun, 2007-12-23 at 14:32 +0200, Oded Arbel wrote:
 Speaking about bugs, I would appreciate it if people who use GNOME's
 Evolution to read mail would subscribe for bug 490241 in GNOME's
 bugzilla (link below) which I'm trying to promote as a comprehensive
 list of BiDi editing problems in Evolution.
 
 As everyone who ever tried writing Hebrew email (and possibly Arabic
 also) in Evolution knows, anything other then a few words is very
 annoying to write as almost any kind of text editing you want to do is
 messed up horribly in Evolution's mail composer. 
 
 The ticket above received some notice as one of the developers assigned
 the correct keyword to the ticket, but otherwise it got no attention
 what so ever, and I would really like to promote BiDi awareness in
 Evolution - as currently there is none. If you'd like to help the cause,
 it easy - just register to GNOME bugzilla (standard procedure with email
 confirmation) and CC yourself on this bug. If you'd like to comment with
 your own horror stories go ahead, but please no me too comments - I
 don't want to SPAM the developers, just get more awareness (I think that
 the emails that get auto-CCed according to product and component do not
 receive notification on adding/removing CCs).
 
 Direct link to the bug report:
 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=490241
 
 Thanks in advance.
 

Just my 0.02, but you do know that a kitten dies every time someone
posts a -long- multi-bug-report, right?

I'm not the maintainer I nearly poked my eye out half way through the
description - you've got at least 6 different bug reports all gobbled
into a single BZ#.

I'd suggest you create a number --short-- bug-reports and close the
original one. (Even if it seems that they all stem from a single bug)

- Gilboa


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Re: Evangelism - Evolution

2007-12-23 Thread Oded Arbel

On Sun, 2007-12-23 at 15:01 +0200, Gilboa Davara wrote:
 On Sun, 2007-12-23 at 14:32 +0200, Oded Arbel wrote:
  Speaking about bugs, I would appreciate it if people who use GNOME's
  Evolution to read mail would subscribe for bug 490241 in GNOME's
  bugzilla (link below) which I'm trying to promote as a comprehensive
  list of BiDi editing problems in Evolution.

 Just my 0.02, but you do know that a kitten dies every time someone
 posts a -long- multi-bug-report, right?

 I'd suggest you create a number --short-- bug-reports and close the
 original one. (Even if it seems that they all stem from a single bug)

Of course if a developer would comment on the bug to that effect I would
do that, but generally I think there are advantages to have a ticket
that tracks the state of some specific problem, even if it is later
divided into several different tickets each with its own fix - for
example see the infamous Mozilla MNG bug: is a good place to rally
support for an issue.

Do you think it's a better idea to have a ticket for BiDi problems in
Evolution that will be dependent on all BiDi related bugs? There are
several others besides said ticket, some even that other people have
reported ;).

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Oded


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Re: Evangelism - Evolution

2007-12-23 Thread Gilboa Davara
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On Sun, 2007-12-23 at 17:25 +0200, Oded Arbel wrote:
 On Sun, 2007-12-23 at 15:01 +0200, Gilboa Davara wrote:
  On Sun, 2007-12-23 at 14:32 +0200, Oded Arbel wrote:
   Speaking about bugs, I would appreciate it if people who use GNOME's
   Evolution to read mail would subscribe for bug 490241 in GNOME's
   bugzilla (link below) which I'm trying to promote as a comprehensive
   list of BiDi editing problems in Evolution.
 
  Just my 0.02, but you do know that a kitten dies every time someone
  posts a -long- multi-bug-report, right?
 
  I'd suggest you create a number --short-- bug-reports and close the
  original one. (Even if it seems that they all stem from a single bug)
 
 Of course if a developer would comment on the bug to that effect I would
 do that, but generally I think there are advantages to have a ticket
 that tracks the state of some specific problem, even if it is later
 divided into several different tickets each with its own fix - for
 example see the infamous Mozilla MNG bug: is a good place to rally
 support for an issue.
 
 Do you think it's a better idea to have a ticket for BiDi problems in
 Evolution that will be dependent on all BiDi related bugs? There are
 several others besides said ticket, some even that other people have
 reported ;).
 

In general, I (as a developer) rather get a number of small bug
reports, with a top-level BIDI problems in evolution blocker bug that
depends on all the small ones.

Having short bug report with easy to follow test-cases makes it easier
for the maintainer to track individual issues.

- Gilboa


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