OSDC::Israel and Test Automation Hackathon - Whom to invite?

[Gabor Szabo]

Hi,

You might have already heard that I started to organize
the Open Source Developers' Conference Israel to be held in February 2009.

The main theme of the conference is Integrating Unit Testing and Test
Automation.

Around the conference I would like to have a few days of Hackathon to improve
the Integration among the various Testing systems.
For this I'd like to get some of the central people of the test automation
world together.

For details of the hackathon see
http://act.osdc.org.il/osdc2009il/hackathon.html

If this whole thing is interesting for you then
1) register on the conference web page to show interest and to gain
write access to the wiki
2) Recommend someone whom you think should attend the hackathon
on the wiki.
3) If your company is interested in sponsoring one or more of the attendees
 please let me know.

Forward this message to others whom might be interested.
Blog about this in places you know both in Hebrew and English and post
a link to the blog
here: http://act.osdc.org.il/osdc2009il/wiki?node=PublicRelations

regards
Gabor

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Re: OpenMoko freerunner warning

[michael shiloh]

Wow! Thanks for the great information. Mind if I quote this on my blog (with
proper credit)? This is good reference material.

Michael 
KA6RCQ



On Mon, 7 Jul 2008, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:


On Sun, Jul 06, 2008 at 01:54:15PM -0700, michael shiloh wrote:

The Neo Freerunner is tri-band available in two versions:

The so-called "850 MHz" version supports 850MHz, 1800MHz, and 1900MHz
The so-called "900 MHz" version supports 900MHz, 1800MHz, and 1900MHz

As you can see, both version support 1800MHz and 1900MHz.

The reason for these two versions is that some rural regions in the USA use
850 MHz instead of the more-or-less world standard of 900 MHz. There may be
some rare places in the rest of the world that use 850 MHz, but for the most
part the 850 MHz version is considered the USA version, and the 900 MHz
version is suitable for just about everywhere else in the world.


No, that's not really true.

The world standard for AMPS (the original cell phone system) was 800 mHz.
When GSM was created it was western European only and could not interfere
with AMPS phones. Since 900 mHz is a restriced band in ITU regions 1 and
3 (Europe, Africa, Asia), but not in the U.S. its users were forced off
and it was given to the GSM system.

In region 2 (the Americas) it is open to unlicensed low power use and Amateur
radio.

The major difference of over the air transmission is that AMPS used a wide
FM voice channel with a seperate digital control channel, GSM used TDMA
(sharing a single digital channel by giving each user a fixed time to
transmit). GSM can share the same channel between control and "data"
(digital voice).

By the early 1990's AMPS cell phone channels had become overcrowded and there
were several methods developed to alivate the problem. One was N-AMPS (narrow
band FM voice) and another D-AMPS (digital AMPS similar to GSM's TDMA).

In Israel Cell-Com (1993-1994?) started out with D-AMPS, Pelephone started
with AMPS and switched to N-AMPS, with not much success.

In the U.S. the 1900 mHz band (similar to the 1800mHz band opened in Zones
1 and 3) was opened. The lower end of the band overlaps the 1800mHz band,
but some of it was already in use, so they are not the same. The 1900 mHz
band was opened for PCS (Personal communications services) and almost anyone
could get a PCS license (they were auctioned off) and open their own cellular
phone service.

The PCS cells had a very small range, so the only ones that were bought
were in highly populated areas. Some PCS operators used GSM, but many did
not. 1900 mHz band GSM phones are technicaly the same as 1800mHz GSM phones,
with different firmware and regulatory approval. Since the U.S. market
was small, there was no incentive to spend a lot of money on GSM phones
for it, and there small cost of converting an 1800 mHz design to a
1900 mHz one was worth it. 1900 mHz GSM coverage peaked around the year
2000 with about 80% of the U.S. population covered, but only about 20%
of the area.

Meanwhile, AT&T Wireless had upgraded their 800 mHz AMPS network to D-AMPS,
and they covered 100% (in reality not quite, but close enough) of the
continental U.S., and most of Hawaii, and some of Alaska.

In 2002 they completed a deal where Ericson would manufacture base stations
compatible with their D-AMPS ones that supported mixed GSM/D-AMPS service,
so they could switch one channel at a time. Nokia got the contract for
their handsets.  Due to the way GSM names its networks, the 800 mHz
AMPS/N-AMPS/D-AMPS channels are called GSM 850.

AT&T sold their cellular network and it has changed names.

Now in 2008, the situation is that almost all of the U.S. (except for
a few national parks, etc) is covered with the GSM 850 network that
at one time belonged to AT&T Wireless (I don't know their current name),
there is still the "spotty" GSM 1900 mHz coverage, and the only 1800 mHz
network in zone 2 is in Brazil.

In Israel, Orange's 900 mHz network coversalmost all of the terriory
with from the Golan to Eilat, the Jordan river to the Med. The gaps that
exist in areas controlled by the PA is due to a non competition
agreement with Pal-Tel (partialy owned by Shimon Peres) and not
technical reasons.

When they decided to get into the high-speed data business they opened
an 1800 mHz network. Due to the higher frequency, it's coverage is
"spotty". In flat places, e.g. the costal plain, it works well, in
hilly places, e.g. Jerusalem, high buildings and hills cause it to
have "holes" in the coverage.

Orange phones that are not used for data are programmed to use 900mHz
first and fall back to 1800 mHz, which is why phones sold by other
people may or may not work properly. They are programed the other way
and don't switch to 900 mHz properly.

Cell-Com has an 800 mHz D-AMPS network, and an 1800 mHz GSM network.
Coverage is supposed to be good, but it still has the technical problems
of 1800 mHz. I assume at some point they will convert their 800 mHz
network to GSM 850, but I ha

Re: OpenMoko freerunner warning

[michael shiloh]

On Mon, 7 Jul 2008, Arie Skliarouk wrote:


Hi,

On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 23:54, michael shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:


Disclosure: I work for Openmoko


On Friday OpenMoko freerunner went on sale, and by now the 900MHz band

version is sold out with only 850MHz version available.




..

If Orange uses 900 MHz as Shachar says, you should wait for the 900 MHz

version.



That means that sales of 900MHz never started?


No, I did not mean that at all.



And the wording "Sold out" on the website is wrong?


I didn't mean this either



If so, when will the 900MHz be available for purchase?


I don't know, but I will find out.

Michael

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Re: stability of exitcodes

[Ehud Karni]

On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 16:36:37 Gabor Szabo wrote:
>
> Given the following commands:
>
>
> $ ls -l /nosuch
> ls: /nosuch: No such file or directory
> $ echo $?
> 2
>
>
> On one Linux system I get the value 2 as above. On another Linux
> system I get the value 1.
> (The first is a relatively new Ubuntu, the other one is some old Red Hat)
>
> So am I doing something incorrectly or can I just assume that the exit
> codes can change
> even between Linuxes?

It seems a change in the `ls' program. If you check the `ls' man page
you see an added line (on a newer `ls'):

Exit status is 0 if OK, 1 if minor problems, 2 if serious trouble.

I check with various version of `ls': on versions 5.21 or below you get
exit 1, on the current version (5.97) you get exit 2.

Ehud.


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Re: stability of exitcodes

[Shachar Shemesh]

Gabor Szabo wrote:

So am I doing something incorrectly or can I just assume that the exit
codes can change
even between Linuxes?
  

The later.

Some commands define that certain exit codes have certain meanings (see 
the rsync manual, the section headed "EXIT VALUES"). For every other 
command the only thing you can assume is that zero means success and 
non-zero means failure.


Shachar

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Re: switching eth4 and eth0

[shimi]

On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 1:01 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I tried to follow up
> http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il/msg52344.html, and
> still got undesired behabior.
>
[snip]

Yaron,

I am not sure where you found out the things that you tried, but I mostly
meant editing files in the /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg* to hardcode
the MAC to the interface:
http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il/msg52359.html

-- Shimi

stability of exitcodes

[Gabor Szabo]

Given the following commands:


$ ls -l /nosuch
ls: /nosuch: No such file or directory
$ echo $?
2


On one Linux system I get the value 2 as above. On another Linux
system I get the value 1.
(The first is a relatively new Ubuntu, the other one is some old Red Hat)

So am I doing something incorrectly or can I just assume that the exit
codes can change
even between Linuxes?

Gabor

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Re: I need your addvice on ISP troubleshooting.

[Amos Shapira]

2008/7/7 Michael Tewner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I've talked to the highest up network engineers at Netvision about >30%
> packet loss on their vl100 router and I've consistently received the "It's
> normal" answer. They claim it's part of their anti-Denial-Of-Service system.
> I see it as 30% of my company's monthly fee down the drain.

Then it's time (long ago, actually) to move from the technical level
to the business level - what is your SLA? What does the contract say?
Sit with your business guy, translate the technical facts you have to
the business impacts of this (cost increase, loss of revenue, time
wasted etc) and get him to talk to the business counterpart on the
other side of the contract.

I'm not talking American-style "sue the hell out of them" but instead
of technical people talking to technical people get the business
people talk to business people.

--Amos

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Re: OpenMoko freerunner warning

[Dotan Cohen]

Is the difference between the 850 and 900 models hardware (ie,
different anteneas) or software (programmed to use different
frequencies)? Can one be converted to the other?

Dotan Cohen

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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Re: switching eth4 and eth0

[yaron]

Hi, 

I tried to follow up 
http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il/msg52344.html , and still 
got undesired behabior. 
For example I tried to rename eth1 to eth2 and view the results with ifconfig 
running 
#sbin/ifconfig 
shows interfaces eth0 and eth1 
no I turned off eth1 
/#sbin/ifdown eth1 
rename it 
#/sbin/nameif eth2  
turn on eth2 
#/sbin/ifup eth2 
Ends successfully but /sbin/ifconfig still shows interface eth0 and eth1 

Still puzzled! 

Yaron Kahanovitch 

Here is the details: 
#/sbin/ifconfig 

eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0F:FE:7F:CF:E5 
inet addr:172.16.10.75 Bcast:172.16.10.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 
inet6 addr: fe80::20f:feff:fe7f:cfe5/64 Scope:Link 
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 
RX packets:3927 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 
TX packets:2587 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 
collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 
RX bytes:4930081 (4.7 MiB) TX bytes:205327 (200.5 KiB) 
Memory:f018-f01a 

eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:1B:21:10:AB:B5 
inet addr:192.168.0.1 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 
inet6 addr: fe80::21b:21ff:fe10:abb5/64 Scope:Link 
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 
RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 
TX packets:94 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 
collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 
RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:16601 (16.2 KiB) 
Base address:0x1100 Memory:f020-f022 

lo Link encap:Local Loopback 
inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 
inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host 
UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 
RX packets:2782 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 
TX packets:2782 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 
collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 
RX bytes:3341308 (3.1 MiB) TX bytes:3341308 (3.1 MiB) 

Now lets turn off eth0 and eth1 
#/sbin/ifdown eth0 
#/sbin/ifdown eth1 

/sbin/ifconfig 
lo Link encap:Local Loopback 
inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 
inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host 
UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 
RX packets:3294 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 
TX packets:3294 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 
collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 
RX bytes:3355660 (3.2 MiB) TX bytes:3355660 (3.2 MiB) 

Lets rename the interface eth1: 
#/sbin/nameif eth2 00:1B:21:10:AB:B5 
#/sbin/ifup eth2 

#sbin/ifconfig 
eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:1B:21:10:AB:B5 
inet addr:192.168.0.1 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 
inet6 addr: fe80::21b:21ff:fe10:abb5/64 Scope:Link 
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 
RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 
TX packets:101 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 
collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 
RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:17107 (16.7 KiB) 
Base address:0x1100 Memory:f020-f022 

lo Link encap:Local Loopback 
inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 
inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host 
UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 
RX packets:3294 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 
TX packets:3294 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 
collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 
RX bytes:3355660 (3.2 MiB) TX bytes:3355660 (3.2 MiB) 

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From: "shimi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Cc: "Israeli Linux mailing-list" , "yaron" <[EMAIL 
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Subject: Re: switching eth4 and eth0 



On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 10:04 AM, < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: 


Hi guys, 

This is silly, but at this one I find myself totaly helpless. 
I have two cards (on a fedora core 8 station), a gigabit, on board and a 
10/100. The Gigabit card is mapped to eth2 
and the 10/100 is mapped to eth4. 
One of the libraries uses flexlm for licensing purposes. The license file is 
keyed on th 10/100 interface's MAC address. 
Unfortunately, the flexlm likes to use eth0 to verify the mac address. 
To solve the problem I tried to change the eth4 interface to eth0 without 
success. 

Can anyone help me with that? 



There was a thread about this 4 days ago... 

http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il/msg52344.html 

-- Shimi 

Re: [OT] GPS

[Matan Ziv-Av]

On Fri, 28 Mar 2008, Matan Ziv-Av wrote:

I think you might have better chance 
of running roadmap, the original program used by freemap project. I intend to 
try to build it for the tablet, so I will report the results in reply to this 
thread.


As promised, I return to this thread:

I compiled roadmap_editor, and it does run on the N810.

- I did not try navigation features.
- The program does not activate the GPS, so you need to run another
  program that does (wayfinder, maemo-mapper).

Installation instructions here:

http://www.freemap.co.il/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1504

It will probably run on N800, as well, though I don't know if it will 
connect to external GPS correctly.


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Re: switching eth4 and eth0

[Gilad Ben-Yossef]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi guys,

This is silly, but at this one I find myself totaly helpless.
I have two cards (on a fedora core 8 station), a gigabit, on board and a 10/100. The Gigabit card is mapped to eth2 
and the 10/100 is mapped to eth4. 
One of the libraries uses flexlm for licensing purposes. The license file is keyed on th 10/100 interface's MAC address.
Unfortunately, the flexlm likes to use eth0 to verify the  mac address. 
To solve the problem I tried to change the eth4 interface to eth0 without success. 


Can anyone help me with that?



  
As you do have the license and just get pestered by the ridiculous 
flexlm software, why not use srace to find out what system call 
(probably IOCTL) the flexlm program make, write a small library to 
provide a fake answer to that call and load it using LD_PRELOAD? :-)


Cheers,
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Re: switching eth4 and eth0

[shimi]

On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 10:04 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> This is silly, but at this one I find myself totaly helpless.
> I have two cards (on a fedora core 8 station), a gigabit, on board and a
> 10/100. The Gigabit card is mapped to eth2
> and the 10/100 is mapped to eth4.
> One of the libraries uses flexlm for licensing purposes. The license file
> is keyed on th 10/100 interface's MAC address.
> Unfortunately, the flexlm likes to use eth0 to verify the  mac address.
> To solve the problem I tried to change the eth4 interface to eth0 without
> success.
>
> Can anyone help me with that?
>
>
There was a thread about this 4 days ago...

http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il/msg52344.html

-- Shimi

Re: I need your addvice on ISP troubleshooting.

[Jonathan Ben Avraham]

On Mon, 7 Jul 2008, Dani wrote:

> Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 07:03:10 +0300
> From: Dani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Michael Tewner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: IGLU List List 
> Subject: Re: I need your addvice on ISP troubleshooting.
> 
> Michael,
> the main task of a router is to route packets. You as a customer should
> not care about other aspects of the router behavior as long as it routes
> your packets efficiently and correctly. Let me know what is the service

Hi Dani,
The problem is exactly that. Netvision is not routing efficiently and 
often not even correctly. I totally concur with Michael et all, Netvision 
as an organization is 1) completely insensitive to their own routing 
errors and 2) exacting a bandwidth tax from their customers. I have made 
excellent money in the past six months consulting for customers with 
Netvision routing troubles - that's an additional tax that Netvision 
imposes!

   - yba


> problem you suffer, and I will try to help you track it down.
> It is true that an ISP will limit (or even totaly block) ping and other
> icmp messages to protect against DoS. This has no effect on the service.
> Note that all versions of traceroute (including those that utilize tcp
> or udp protocols, like lft) rely on the router sending back an icmp
> message of "time to live exceeded". So they will fail or give wrong
> statistics in case anti DoS filters are applied.
> Dani
>
> Michael Tewner wrote:
>> I've talked to the highest up network engineers at Netvision about >30%
>> packet loss on their vl100 router and I've consistently received the
>> "It's normal" answer. They claim it's part of their
>> anti-Denial-Of-Service system. I see it as 30% of my company's monthly
>> fee down the drain.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 12:57 PM, dani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Dotan,
>>
>> Our servers support both pptp and l2tp, which you can use directly
>> from Linux.
>>
>> If you have service problems while connected to the Technion, why
>> don't you open an helpdesk case?
>>
>> Dani
>>
>>
>>
>> Dotan Cohen wrote:
>>
>> 2008/7/4 sara fink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >:
>>
>>
>> Technion web site doesn't support ping not in and not out.
>> So don't be
>> surprised if you get the ???.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> No, but it supports http traffic and that often goes very slow.
>> Amazingly, it does so at the same time as Slashdot and Google.
>> And no
>> one else on the interwebs noticed except me.
>>
>>
>>
>> Try a ftp transfer from technion and see the speed.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The problem is intermittent.
>>
>>
>>
>> About the router, try the same thing without router. If the
>> problem
>> persists, you can tell them.
>>
>>
>>
>> I cannot connect with Linux without a router because their 'dialer'
>> only runs on Windows.
>>
>>
>>
>> For
>> http://dotancohen.com/images/examples/bezeq.html
>>  I can't see anything written. It's 1k. I saw the images
>> from the examples
>> directory.
>> I saw similar patterns with bezeqint in my neighborhood.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> So, the mtr results are normal, or we both are getting bad service?
>>
>>
>>
>> Only a couple of the support people know what is mtr. From
>> all my talks with
>> support at 012, only 1 knew about mtr.  You need to reach to
>> higher levels
>> of support.  At 012 it's called network department. They
>> support if you have
>> few pc at home. Their level is higher than others who read
>> from the page.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> In Hebrew would that be "îçì÷ú äøùú"?
>>
>>
>>
>> My brother has windows, when he had problems with internet,
>> they had the
>> famous sentence "Something on your pc is blocking. go to
>> restore. If that
>> doesn't help, format the hd." And you know what else, they
>> told him to use
>> the microsoft built in firewall, nothing else.
>>
>> Here are some dns lists of all isp in israel
>> http://www.petri.co.il/dns_ip_addresses_for_israeli_isps_he.htm
>> try this also https://www.opendns.com/start
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I had considered opendns. Is it recommended? Was Israeli DNS _is_
>> recommended? Thanks.
>>
>> Dotan Cohen
>>
>> http://what-is-what.com
>> http://gibberish.co.il
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switching eth4 and eth0

[yaron]

Hi guys,

This is silly, but at this one I find myself totaly helpless.
I have two cards (on a fedora core 8 station), a gigabit, on board and a 
10/100. The Gigabit card is mapped to eth2 
and the 10/100 is mapped to eth4. 
One of the libraries uses flexlm for licensing purposes. The license file is 
keyed on th 10/100 interface's MAC address.
Unfortunately, the flexlm likes to use eth0 to verify the  mac address. 
To solve the problem I tried to change the eth4 interface to eth0 without 
success. 

Can anyone help me with that?



Yaron Kahanovitch

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