[HAIFUX LECTURE] Zemereshet - Yair Even-Zohar
TOMORROW, August 2nd at 18:30, Haifux will gather to hear Yair Even-Zohar talk about: Zemereshet Zemereshet is an Emergency Project for the Rescue and Electronic Documentation of Early Hebrew Music. It is a volunteer association of enthusiasts who have assumed the mission of preserving the songs that were written and sung in Hebrew from the beginning of the Zionist movement until the establishment of the State of Israel. To that end, they established a website with thousands of recordings, lyrics, and complementary information. Yair Even-Zohar's talk will present the project and its various aspects, including copyrights and legal issues, as well as technical issues behind the scenes. == We meet in Taub (CS Faculty) building, room 6. For instructions see: http://www.haifux.org/where.html Attendance is free, and you are all invited! == Future talks include: 16/08/10 HTML5 - The next generations of the web - Tzafrir Rehan 30/08/10 *OPEN SLOT*. Grab it while you can! 13/09/10 Secure File Systems - Orr Dunkelman === We are always interested in hearing your talks and ideas. If you wish to give a talk, hold a discussion, or just plan some event haifux might be interested in, please contact us at webmas...@haifux.org -- Web: http://www.billauer.co.il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Exporting CSV file with hebrew
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 11:30:56PM +0300, shimi wrote: > When you import CSV data in Excel through the Text Import Wizard (Data -> > External Data -> From Text) [1], one the options there is to state "File > origin", which is basically a list of all the encodings Windows(R) supports. > If you tell the importer which encoding it is, and he selects the right > option (and of course , I *think* it should work. You had the data in a well-defined format. But now you need a "wizard" to tell what it is? And no one is sure what the format is? Why not export the data as a spreadsheet? This does not require OO.o or anything similar. For instance: http://search.cpan.org/perldoc?Spreadsheet::WriteExcel http://search.cpan.org/perldoc?Spreadsheet::SimpleExcel -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best tzaf...@debian.org|| friend ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Exporting CSV file with hebrew
2010/7/31 Ori Idan > I have tested google docs with the same file translated using iconv to > UTF-8 and it works great. > I still have a problem with excel, my customer claims he can not see the > hebrew in the file. > Does someone on this list has access to Excel and can tell me how to tell > excel the right encoding so it can import the hebrew? > I myself don't have access to Exccel and thus can not test it. > I can send a sample file. > > -- > Ori Idan > > When you import CSV data in Excel through the Text Import Wizard (Data -> External Data -> From Text) [1], one the options there is to state "File origin", which is basically a list of all the encodings Windows(R) supports. If you tell the importer which encoding it is, and he selects the right option (and of course , I *think* it should work. HTH, -- Shimi [1] http://shimi.net/excel-import.png ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Exporting CSV file with hebrew
I will ask him to do it, however my guess is that he was not aware of the encoding and tried to use the default encoding which was probably windows-1251 (Latin-1) and thus got the gibrish. In open office it also happened. Open office recognized UTF-8 by itself but could not recognize windwos-1255 and gave by default windows-1251. -- Ori Idan On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Omer Zak wrote: > Hello Ori, > I suggest that you ask your client for a screenshot of the Excel window > displaying the sample imported *.csv file. > > How can this benefit: > > 1. Clear up any miscommunication - maybe the client is viewing a view > not containing the cells having the Hebrew text; or another equally > ridiculous misunderstanding. > > 2. From the gibberish which the client does see (and captured by the > screenshot) you can guess which encoding did his Excel use to import the > file. > > --- Omer > > > On Sat, 2010-07-31 at 23:04 +0300, Ori Idan wrote: > > I have tested google docs with the same file translated using iconv to > > UTF-8 and it works great. > > I still have a problem with excel, my customer claims he can not see > > the hebrew in the file. > > Does someone on this list has access to Excel and can tell me how to > > tell excel the right encoding so it can import the hebrew? > > I myself don't have access to Exccel and thus can not test it. > > I can send a sample file. > > > > -- > > Ori Idan > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 12:47 AM, Omer Zak wrote: > > > > On Sat, 2010-07-31 at 00:20 +0300, Ori Idan wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 12:17 AM, Omer Zak > > wrote: > > > My experience is limited to whatever my CPA is using > > (I think > > > he uses > > > Excel). By experimenting with utf-8, cp862, > > iso_8859-8 and > > > windows-1255 > > > encodings, we found that windows-1255 worked for > > him. > > > > > > If you find that Google Docs and Excel have > > contradictory > > > expectations, > > > then I suggest that you allow people to export the > > CSV file in > > > either > > > "Google Docs compatible" encoding or "Excel > > compatible" > > > encoding. > > > > > > What is google docs compatible format? > > > > > > By trial, I found that utf-8 is the Google Docs compatible > > encoding: > > 1. Create in Google Docs a spreadsheet with Hebrew text. > > 2. Export it in CSV format to a file in your PC. > > 3. Open the file in gedit and modify some cells. > > 4. Import the file into Google Docs and demonstrate that it > > displays > > correctly the modified values. > > 5. By means of xxd -g 1 (or other means), confirm that the > > file is in > > utf-8 encoding. > > > > By the way, I expect Excel to be configurable to accept also > > other > > encodings - but you'll have to find how to do it, and to write > > clear > > instructions for the users. > > -- > Every good master plan involves building a time machine. Moshe Zadka > My own blog is at http://www.zak.co.il/tddpirate/ > > My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. > They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which > I may be affiliated in any way. > WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html > > > ___ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Exporting CSV file with hebrew
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 11:30 PM, shimi wrote: > > > 2010/7/31 Ori Idan > > I have tested google docs with the same file translated using iconv to >> UTF-8 and it works great. >> I still have a problem with excel, my customer claims he can not see the >> hebrew in the file. >> Does someone on this list has access to Excel and can tell me how to tell >> excel the right encoding so it can import the hebrew? >> I myself don't have access to Exccel and thus can not test it. >> I can send a sample file. >> >> -- >> Ori Idan >> >> > When you import CSV data in Excel through the Text Import Wizard (Data -> > External Data -> From Text) [1], one the options there is to state "File > origin", which is basically a list of all the encodings Windows(R) supports. > If you tell the importer which encoding it is, and he selects the right > option (and of course , I *think* it should work. > > Whoops, premature hit on the "send" button, sorry. Last sentence should have been: (and of course, the right delimiter options, etc.), I *think* it should work. -- Shimi ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Exporting CSV file with hebrew
Hello Ori, I suggest that you ask your client for a screenshot of the Excel window displaying the sample imported *.csv file. How can this benefit: 1. Clear up any miscommunication - maybe the client is viewing a view not containing the cells having the Hebrew text; or another equally ridiculous misunderstanding. 2. From the gibberish which the client does see (and captured by the screenshot) you can guess which encoding did his Excel use to import the file. --- Omer On Sat, 2010-07-31 at 23:04 +0300, Ori Idan wrote: > I have tested google docs with the same file translated using iconv to > UTF-8 and it works great. > I still have a problem with excel, my customer claims he can not see > the hebrew in the file. > Does someone on this list has access to Excel and can tell me how to > tell excel the right encoding so it can import the hebrew? > I myself don't have access to Exccel and thus can not test it. > I can send a sample file. > > -- > Ori Idan > > > On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 12:47 AM, Omer Zak wrote: > > On Sat, 2010-07-31 at 00:20 +0300, Ori Idan wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 12:17 AM, Omer Zak > wrote: > > My experience is limited to whatever my CPA is using > (I think > > he uses > > Excel). By experimenting with utf-8, cp862, > iso_8859-8 and > > windows-1255 > > encodings, we found that windows-1255 worked for > him. > > > > If you find that Google Docs and Excel have > contradictory > > expectations, > > then I suggest that you allow people to export the > CSV file in > > either > > "Google Docs compatible" encoding or "Excel > compatible" > > encoding. > > > > What is google docs compatible format? > > > By trial, I found that utf-8 is the Google Docs compatible > encoding: > 1. Create in Google Docs a spreadsheet with Hebrew text. > 2. Export it in CSV format to a file in your PC. > 3. Open the file in gedit and modify some cells. > 4. Import the file into Google Docs and demonstrate that it > displays > correctly the modified values. > 5. By means of xxd -g 1 (or other means), confirm that the > file is in > utf-8 encoding. > > By the way, I expect Excel to be configurable to accept also > other > encodings - but you'll have to find how to do it, and to write > clear > instructions for the users. -- Every good master plan involves building a time machine. Moshe Zadka My own blog is at http://www.zak.co.il/tddpirate/ My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Exporting CSV file with hebrew
I have tested google docs with the same file translated using iconv to UTF-8 and it works great. I still have a problem with excel, my customer claims he can not see the hebrew in the file. Does someone on this list has access to Excel and can tell me how to tell excel the right encoding so it can import the hebrew? I myself don't have access to Exccel and thus can not test it. I can send a sample file. -- Ori Idan On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 12:47 AM, Omer Zak wrote: > On Sat, 2010-07-31 at 00:20 +0300, Ori Idan wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 12:17 AM, Omer Zak wrote: > > My experience is limited to whatever my CPA is using (I think > > he uses > > Excel). By experimenting with utf-8, cp862, iso_8859-8 and > > windows-1255 > > encodings, we found that windows-1255 worked for him. > > > > If you find that Google Docs and Excel have contradictory > > expectations, > > then I suggest that you allow people to export the CSV file in > > either > > "Google Docs compatible" encoding or "Excel compatible" > > encoding. > > > > What is google docs compatible format? > > By trial, I found that utf-8 is the Google Docs compatible encoding: > 1. Create in Google Docs a spreadsheet with Hebrew text. > 2. Export it in CSV format to a file in your PC. > 3. Open the file in gedit and modify some cells. > 4. Import the file into Google Docs and demonstrate that it displays > correctly the modified values. > 5. By means of xxd -g 1 (or other means), confirm that the file is in > utf-8 encoding. > > By the way, I expect Excel to be configurable to accept also other > encodings - but you'll have to find how to do it, and to write clear > instructions for the users. > > --- Omer > > > -- > Bottom posters are filthy heretics and infidels and ought to be burned > on the stake after having been tarred, feathered and having rotten eggs > thrown at their faces! > My own blog is at http://www.zak.co.il/tddpirate/ > > My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. > They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which > I may be affiliated in any way. > WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html > > > ___ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Playing TAU lectures from videos.tau.ac.il
At 20:08:06 on Saturday Saturday 31 July 2010, Micha Feigin wrote: > On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 19:58:24 +0300 > > Micha Feigin wrote: > > On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 14:57:58 +0300 > > > > Stan Goodman wrote: > > > At 13:41:19 on Friday Friday 30 July 2010, Micha Feigin > > > > > > wrote: > > > > On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 20:46:08 +0300 > > > > Ariel Biener wrote: > > > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > > I do not like prejudice. The only way to fix TAU issues is via > > > > > the help desk. Trust me, > > > > > we're not your usual Joe ISP. We are a strong Unix/Linux shop, > > > > > and most of our > > > > > applications, especially web apps, are based on open source. > > > > > > > > Actually most of your student related sites are IE only and I've > > > > seen no interest what so ever to try and change that. > > > > > > > > As a teacher in TAU I have a constant issue working around TAU > > > > website limitations. > > > > > > > > Virtual tau is one notorious subject (I'm not uploading exercises > > > > for my students to virtual due to that reason) > > > > > > > > Seker Horaa has also been horrible last time I checked (I haven't > > > > bothered for a long time since I got fed up with the constant > > > > response: use IE, so I just didn't use in instead) > > > > > > > > The only answer I have ever managed to get from the help desk is > > > > use IE, so I personally stopped trying, and it sounds like > > > > accessing this list for help is probably the only means to get an > > > > answer at the moment, unless you can prove otherwise. The glove I > > > > believe is with you at the moment. > > > > > > > > Prove us wrong ... > > > > > > So you are saying that the "Trust me" is salesman talk? Hot air? > > > Sucked out of his thumb? > > > > > > > > >From my experience up to now, yes > > To be fair: > > Anything server related they usually solve rather well. > > If it's web related, I've given them solutions in the past (exact FIXED > html code) and they still couldn't solve the problem. They also never > seemed to care. I'd talk to them on the phone and the support would > send me looking for windows machines at the neighbors or whatever to > get the work done. > > I've stopped bothering, but I doubt that they improved any. Actually, my comment was occasioned not by their responsiveness (about which I know nothing), but by the smug confidence and defensive counter attack with which he explains away complaints. "Populistic" was a real gem. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Playing TAU lectures from videos.tau.ac.il
On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 19:58:24 +0300 Micha Feigin wrote: > On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 14:57:58 +0300 > Stan Goodman wrote: > > > At 13:41:19 on Friday Friday 30 July 2010, Micha Feigin > > wrote: > > > On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 20:46:08 +0300 > > > Ariel Biener wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > I do not like prejudice. The only way to fix TAU issues is via the > > > > help desk. Trust me, > > > > we're not your usual Joe ISP. We are a strong Unix/Linux shop, and > > > > most of our > > > > applications, especially web apps, are based on open source. > > > > > > Actually most of your student related sites are IE only and I've seen > > > no interest what so ever to try and change that. > > > > > > As a teacher in TAU I have a constant issue working around TAU website > > > limitations. > > > > > > Virtual tau is one notorious subject (I'm not uploading exercises for > > > my students to virtual due to that reason) > > > > > > Seker Horaa has also been horrible last time I checked (I haven't > > > bothered for a long time since I got fed up with the constant response: > > > use IE, so I just didn't use in instead) > > > > > > The only answer I have ever managed to get from the help desk is use > > > IE, so I personally stopped trying, and it sounds like accessing this > > > list for help is probably the only means to get an answer at the > > > moment, unless you can prove otherwise. The glove I believe is with you > > > at the moment. > > > > > > Prove us wrong ... > > > > So you are saying that the "Trust me" is salesman talk? Hot air? Sucked > > out of his thumb? > > > > >From my experience up to now, yes > To be fair: Anything server related they usually solve rather well. If it's web related, I've given them solutions in the past (exact FIXED html code) and they still couldn't solve the problem. They also never seemed to care. I'd talk to them on the phone and the support would send me looking for windows machines at the neighbors or whatever to get the work done. I've stopped bothering, but I doubt that they improved any. > ___ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Playing TAU lectures from videos.tau.ac.il
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 14:57:58 +0300 Stan Goodman wrote: > At 13:41:19 on Friday Friday 30 July 2010, Micha Feigin > wrote: > > On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 20:46:08 +0300 > > Ariel Biener wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > I do not like prejudice. The only way to fix TAU issues is via the > > > help desk. Trust me, > > > we're not your usual Joe ISP. We are a strong Unix/Linux shop, and > > > most of our > > > applications, especially web apps, are based on open source. > > > > Actually most of your student related sites are IE only and I've seen > > no interest what so ever to try and change that. > > > > As a teacher in TAU I have a constant issue working around TAU website > > limitations. > > > > Virtual tau is one notorious subject (I'm not uploading exercises for > > my students to virtual due to that reason) > > > > Seker Horaa has also been horrible last time I checked (I haven't > > bothered for a long time since I got fed up with the constant response: > > use IE, so I just didn't use in instead) > > > > The only answer I have ever managed to get from the help desk is use > > IE, so I personally stopped trying, and it sounds like accessing this > > list for help is probably the only means to get an answer at the > > moment, unless you can prove otherwise. The glove I believe is with you > > at the moment. > > > > Prove us wrong ... > > So you are saying that the "Trust me" is salesman talk? Hot air? Sucked > out of his thumb? > >From my experience up to now, yes ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
