Re: Interactive mode during RPM installation
Right now on fedora-devel-list there is a thread about that RPM installation should be batch processable. Why do you need such a thing? Most probably what you need should go into a configuration script. Say like vmware-config.pl. behdad On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, Avrahami David wrote: Hi , During RPM installation I need to get some parameters from user. I tried to add read command in SPEC file ( in %post tag ), but during installation program doesn't wait for user input. What should I do in order to transfer parameters during RPM installation ? Please help. Thanks, David Avrahami Linux Platform = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Leaving
Hi guys, I'm leaving this list and a dozen of other lists again due to heavy work that I'm supposed to be doing these days. CC me if you feel like that. Thanks behdad = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Read through the end
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Read patiently to the end... Yet another MCSE comparing windows to linux... :) http://www.divisiontwo.com/articles/mcse2.htm --Amos Man, it's shooting to my nerves... But finally he said himself that Users of Microsoft software have nothing to worry about ;). behdad = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Read through the end
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004, Ittay Dror wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 02:22:22 -0500, Behdad Esfahbod just to make this clear: the site is someone's private joke, as is said at the bottom of the main page: All DivisionTwo content is written by Garrison Netzel. All columnists, authors, reporters, and articles are fictitious. so you can relax... Well, what was actually hurting was not the article itself, just that there are lots of people out there that write these ill documents and zillions of Joe newbies that go read these stuff. What came to my mind was the linuxiran.org community, which is a collection of newbies that all feel they are experts and write article not much better than this Windows vs Linux one. One of them was saying why Libranet is better than Fedora, and the reason was that I like a pure untouched *Linux*, not something like BlueCurve theme that Fedora has! Just imagine, you write as you are a pro in the field, and you compare distros based on their theme... Why we better Linuxers don't have PR people or the time to write god knows... behdad = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Linux web host
I don't know if you mean in Israel or not. I can recommend eapps.com which provides virtual private servers for an affordable price. behdad On Tue, 27 Jan 2004, Gil Freund wrote: Hi, I am seeking a new Linux hosting provider, or a search site for such providers. Needs are as follows: Apache, PHP, MySQL, SSL Imagemagic, ghostscript SSH/SFTP Shell Access IMAP/IMAPS, Postfix MTA, Procmail Amavis, SA and CLAMav would be nice. All seems trivial, but my current WPP uses a DHTML control panel that requires IE to work (!). Most WPPs does seem to have IMAP and incomplete set of PHP / perl modules. It is also very hard to judge a WPP stability and connectivity only be reading their PR stuff. Any recommendations / warnings welcome. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Very Cool DOS Games Emulator
This all sounds cool, but my problem is that: Can someone send me Prince of Persia please? Thanks behdad On Sat, 24 Jan 2004, Shlomi Loubaton wrote: On Saturday 24 January 2004 22:36, Shlomi Fish wrote: See DOSBox: http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/news.php?show_news=1 It's very cool and is able to run Gobliiins flawlessly which even Win98 borks on. There's a Hebrew tutorial for it here: http://www.penguin.org.il/guides/dos_emulator/ Regards, Shlomi Fish This is old news dude . http://techst02.technion.ac.il/~shlomil/linux-snapshots/dosbox.jpg But DOSBox rocks ... indeed. Diego Iastrubni wrote: DosEMU rocks... it has also protected mode support which DOSBOX does not. http://iglu.org.il/pub/Hebrew/diego/dosemu/dosemu-1.1.5-2.i586.rpm I never managed to use DOSEmu for running old games =\ it takes too much configuration. but dosbox seem to work out of the box(out of the apt-get actually) with no special configurations, so i like it more Shlomil. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT]nesws regarding vigros chicks
On Wed, 21 Jan 2004, Shachar Shemesh wrote: How is that more valuable? The precise calculation should be something like this: a - The chances that an unconfirmed email reaches a real person. b - The chances that a random real person will actually buy stuff. c - The chances that someone who asked to be removed will buy stuff. In general, for it to be profitable to not honor removal requests, c must be greater than a*b. I suggest that this is not the case. a is somewhere in the 80%. b is somewhere in the 0.5% (according to my rather dim recollection of spam news. I'm not really sure about this one). Are you truely suggesting that someone who sent an email saying don't ever ever spam me again is more than 0.4% likely to buy something advertised in a future email (meaning - buying a product for every 250 spams received)? If I was to buy a product for every 250 spams received, I would probably buy 250 products a year! behdad Shachar P.S. If anyone has better numbers, please let us know. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: power button to shutdown linux
The fact that you see those messages perhaps means that you have button built into kernel, since loading button fails. Well, do tail -f /var/log/acpid and press power button. behdad On Tue, 20 Jan 2004, Diego Iastrubni wrote: On Tuesday 20 January 2004 20:55, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: On Tue, 20 Jan 2004, Diego Iastrubni wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# cat /proc/acpi/event button/power PWRF 0080 0002 button/power PWRF 0080 0003 button/power PWRF 0080 0004 button/power PWRF 0080 0005 button/power PWRF 0080 0006 .. and goes on each time i press (one line at a time). [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# cat /etc/acpi/events/power event=button/power (PWR.|PBTN) action=/sbin/poweroff What can go wrong? Does it work if you run /sbin/poweroff? yes it does. I have a link on my desktop which runs halt which also shuts down the box. more interesting, after service acpi restart i get on dmeg: ACPI: Processor [CPU1] (supports C1, 16 throttling states) ACPI: Power Button (FF) [PWRF] ACPI: Processor [CPU1] (supports C1, 16 throttling states) ACPI: Power Button (FF) [PWRF] ACPI: Processor [CPU1] (supports C1, 16 throttling states) ACPI: Power Button (FF) [PWRF] and...: [EMAIL PROTECTED] todos]# modprobe button /lib/modules/2.4.22-10mdk/kernel/drivers/acpi/button.o.gz: init_module: No such device Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters. You may find more information in syslog or the output from dmesg modprobe: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.22-10mdk/kernel/drivers/acpi/button.o.gz failed modprobe: insmod button failed btw... the system is Mandrake 9.2 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JOB OFFER] Adwise Seeking - PHP Professional
On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Adwise Ltd is a leader provider of real-time Messaging Management Solutions for ISPs and Backbones. We are currently seeking an experienced PHP programmer. Requirements: PHP (Experienced with large scale projects). Apache administration and security. Databases administration and security (Postgresql, MySQL - Advantage). UNIX/Linux Networking - Advantage. Hands on experience with Unix/Linux tools. JavaScript and HTML/DHTML At least 3 years experience. Please send your resume in MS Word format to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^ !! I was hearing there are such companies, never saw myself. Adwise HR. www.adwise.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JOB OFFER] Adwise Seeking - PHP Professional
On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Nadav Har'El wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about [JOB OFFER] Adwise Seeking - PHP Professional: ... Please send your resume in MS Word format to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Watch out, you've just unleashed a hoard of angry penguins! And to think that I just asked a few hours ago not to lash out at perspective employers ;) P.S. Microsoft Word is a *word processing* format, not a hard-copy format. Assuming you'd want to view and/or print your candidate's resumes, not EDIT them, there is no reason to insist on this proprietary format. PDF or Postcript are good hard-copy formats that you can accept. Not to mention that plain text, of even HTML, are just as good in this case (resumes do not typically include graphs, equations, table of contents, or anything else that word processors are used for), and virtually anyone can generate plain text or HTML with any software. I'm afraid they have been shy to say developers should be able to write documentation in MS Word format, so asked for resume in this format as a proof of ability. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JOB OFFER] Adwise Seeking - PHP Professional
On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Behdad Esfahbod wrote: On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please send your resume in MS Word format to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^ !! I was hearing there are such companies, never saw myself. Personally, I usually send in PDF. I am yet to hear a complaint. You do not here. Nor you here about accepted. :) Shachar = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FedoraNEWS.org
Well, that it. behdad = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hebrew CMS engines
On Sun, 11 Jan 2004, Oded Arbel wrote: 11 2004, 00:45,Gil Freund: I am looking for a CMS (content management system) for web sites that will support a bilingual site (hebrew and english, preferably with UTF-8). This is not for a member type site, such as plone, nuke's, wiki's or blogs, but more of information site with a limited and finite number of editors. There are several Hebrew nuke derivatives around, though I found none of them to be well designed or well implemented. I'm still not sure if its mostly a problem with the original phpnuke design or the level of the avarage Israel PHP programmer (I suspect both ;-). People use Movable Type everywhere here. It's in Perl. behdad To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hebrew CMS engines
On Sun, 11 Jan 2004, Oleg wrote: Just one question, where is %here% ? I suppose you are not in Israel, correct ? By here I meant Iranian people. As Persian is written right-to-left too, I assume it would solve your problem too. Well, if you use UTF-8 at least. I too, as stated on a previous thread from a couple of months back, dissatisfied with current CMS solutions that support hebrew. From what I was able to find (all your links included) there is not one decent cms that was appropriate for my rather simple needs. That's why I developed my own. The new version that I just finished developing uses PHP, MySQL and Smarty template engine. I am thinking now of adding (again) user-system and author-system. If anyone is willing to join the dev, I'll post it on SourceForge or something. Many recent CMSes are XML based and have a decent theme-engine, so that making them work right-to-left is a matter of writing the right theme. That's the way people handle it for Persian. Just a short complaint to all of you. complaint YOU ARE LAZY ! It took me 2 weeks spare time to develop the system and I did not knew php at all at that time. As I do not consider myself smarter then any of you, I am disappointed that you continue to look elsewhere when you can easily do your own. If I could do it, so can YOU. /complaint Yes, it's not hard, but there are many problems with inventing the wheel. And you make the problem harder for the next person that wants to choose! Instead of starting yours, better you go fix your problems with one of the available ones. For example, MovableType does not support Iranian calendar and many users do not care. But I do care and would add the support myself when I really need to use it. AND I would send my changes upstream so next person can easily get it as granted. Anyway, look at the system at: http://www.wicca-israel.com It comes with a cool Admin interface which, unfortunatelly, you will not see :-) Nice job. Oleg. behdad = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hebrew CMS engines
On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, Gil Freund wrote: Hi, This has been brought up before, but the solutions shown were not quite what I was looking for. I am looking for a CMS (content management system) for web sites that will support a bilingual site (hebrew and english, preferably with UTF-8). This is not for a member type site, such as plone, nuke's, wiki's or blogs, but more of information site with a limited and finite number of editors. To date, the closest thing I found was ezPublish (http://www.ez.no/) which handles UTF-8 nicely and has multilingual content management. It does seems a bit complex in the design area, especially if RTL text is included. Any ideas or recommendations welcome. Hi Callisto CMS is the best I have found. I have not tested it myself yet though. http://www.callistocms.com/ behdad Gil = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: troubles with QT projects
On Tue, 6 Jan 2004, David D wrote: [this question has been sent to gnubies-il couple of days ago, but since there was no answer there, I'm trying my luck here. sorry for cross-post] Hi, I have a very annoying problem on my mdk9.2. I tried to comile a QT package (namely Kcheckers: http://kcheckers.osdn.org.ua/http://kcheckers.osdn.org.ua/) and I've got zellions of undefined reference error messages. When I try to create a new QT project in Kdevelop, I get the following error configure: error: Qt (= Qt 3.0.3) (library qt-mt) not found. Please help. Thanks Some diagnostics: [me]$ gcc --version 2.95.3 #I've replaced gcc3.2 with gcc2.95.3 Linus Torvalds was saying how gcc2.95 and gcc3.2 can be sanely assumed as two different compilers. It's much much more true when it comes to C++ code. Do you really think 2.95 objects can link to qt libs compiled with 3.2? behdad [me]$ urpmf qt-mt libqt3:/usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.prl libqt3:/usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 libqt3:/usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3.1 libqt3:/usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3.1.2 libqt3-devel:/usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so libqt3:/usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.prl libqt3:/usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 libqt3:/usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3.1 libqt3:/usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3.1.2 libqt3-devel:/usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so libqt3:/usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.prl libqt3:/usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 libqt3:/usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3.1 libqt3:/usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3.1.2 libqt3-devel:/usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so [root]# rpm -qa | grep qt libqt3-3.1.2-14.1.92mdk qt3-common-3.1.2-14.1.92mdk qt3.1.2-3.1.2-1 libqt3-devel-3.1.2-14.1.92mdk __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: solved (was Re: lost my X server)
On Tue, 6 Jan 2004, Shlomo Solomon wrote: I promised to let the list know how I solved the problem (in case it's ever of some use to someone). After a lot of trial and error, I discovered that /usr/X11R6/lib/modules was an empty directory. I checked on my other installation and found that it should contain hundreds of files. I have no idea what happened to the files, but I copied them all from the other installation and X now works. I only wish I had an idea why these files and /usr/X11R6/bin/XFree86 disappeared. I wonder if anything else is missing :-(. I wrote earlier that I have backups of everything, but that's not 100% true. I always assumed that it wasn't necessary to back-up nearly 4 Mega of /usr since I could always re-install any package from RPMs. But now, I'm not so sure. I did try erasing and re-installing XFree86 and even went to the extreme of updating from MDK91 to MDK92 and still ended up with missing files. Very strange. You can use rpm -qV with various options to check missing/altered/corrupted/... files. behdad = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Beep Media Player / Hebrew song names
On Sat, 3 Jan 2004, Oren Held wrote: Hi, xmms is the last software left where I have to read hebrew backwards. I'm waiting for the gtk2 port for quite a long time and it won't go out, but apparently I'm not alone. Beep Media Player (BMP in short) is a fork from the xmms tree which already implements gtk2, and works pretty fine (with few bugs still, it's a beta). However.. I still cannot see my hebrew songs well: because now with gtk2/pango, it expects filenames/id3 in the unicode format, which I don't use (I assume most of us don't). I want to suggest the BMP team to add an option 'no unicode filenames'. I just don't know gtk2/pango too well and I'm not sure whether that's exactly what they should add in order to make us happy.. I assume they just have to use some iso8859-8-utf-8 converting function (because if we want pango to render it fine, with bidi, it should convert the non-unicode text to unicode). Anybody has something smart to say? Most probably the best thing I can say is forget about that. And something smart is to write a few lines of python (really few) to convert your id3 tags to Unicode once for all. - Oren behdad = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Beep Media Player / Hebrew song names
On Sat, 3 Jan 2004, Diego Iastrubni wrote: first, ntfs is a unicode filesystem, file names are saved in unicode. in linux, the high level layers are supposed to decide whether saving in 8 bit, 16 bits,utf8 or even utf16. The kernel does not care about it. It's GLIBC's work to do that. A small problem: Filenames cannot contain nul and slash characters, so no UTF-16 possible. If you have GLIBC 2.2, you should start mounting partitions as UTF8, it's backward compatible (no data is destroyed) and saved data will work everywhere. for example my disk-on-key is VFAT I use it on linux, and it works also on winXP, this is my line from fstab: none /mnt/removable supermount dev=/dev/sda1,fs=ext2:vfat,--,kudzu,iocharset=utf8 0 0 about the original problem: do you mean saving the id tags in mp3 as utf8 ? will winamp know how to handle this? (ogg saves data in unicode, so we are safe in this area) Don't know about winamp. Just guess it does. It passes it all to windows afterall. btw: I tried bmp, and it's dam unstable. resize the list window and it dies. last time i tired it could not handle mp3... i have a spec which makes an rpm from the cvs if anyone wants. http://iglu.org.il/pub/Hebrew/diego/beep-hebrew.png behdad = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: US Robotics Wireless Turbo PC Card
On Wed, 31 Dec 2003, Meir Kriheli wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 31 December 2003 06:24, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Thanks for both replies. I'm gonna ask the vendor, but I'm going to get another card, an atheros chipset this time. behdad I would appreciate if you'll report back on which card you've selected, and your experience with it. I'm looking for a 802.11g card, and prefer a supported (libre) one. Sure I would do. My surfing has has shown that you cannot use any 802.11g card without tainting your kernel. The leading projects are madwifi, linux-wlan-ng, and ndiswrapper which are free and linuxant. Some of them provide wrappers around the Windows driver. The others have a binary only core. The reason not providing sources for the binary core is some American standards that prevent you from publishing code that can program a radio device on arbitrary frequencies and powers... behdad = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: US Robotics Wireless Turbo PC Card
Thanks for both replies. I'm gonna ask the vendor, but I'm going to get another card, an atheros chipset this time. behdad = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
US Robotics Wireless Turbo PC Card
Hi, Finally I managed to find and buy a US Robotics Wireless Turbo PC Card. It's called Model 5410, supports 802.11g and b. Can see it here: http://www.connectwireless.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=34osCsid=5fcf57b4a72a8b2a435d9c036bfca878 So I started trying to install it under my Fedora Linux which found I cannot find the proper module. Google cannot help as whenever I put enough words to find the exact card, I lose the linux keyword in results... Any help would be appreciated. Moreover, I'm new to wireless cards, any simple howto for linux tools wanted too. ' New Year, behdad PS. About vis2log, yes, log2vis can be used as a poor mans'. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Automatically unmonuting an idle partition
On Sun, 28 Dec 2003, Sharon Dagan wrote: Hi all, I'm working on tightening the security of my laptop (installed with RH9). I'm trying to figure out a way to automatically unmount a partition that has been standing idle for some time. 'Idle' means, of course, that no reads or writes were made from/to that partition. Any hints on tools, scripts or APIs are welcomed. Hi, While I cannot see how umounting a partition can make your laptop more secure, I know the solution, use automount. Have a look at /etc/auto.* behdad -S. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla keyboard freeze
Lemme do some magic here: When it freezes, close XMMS and it would melt down in a couple of seconds! If you don't have XMMS, killall esd and it would melt. No more news why it happens. I guess you have Flash plugin installed. behdad On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Shlomo Solomon wrote: I've GOOGLED for this and can't find anything. For the past few days, Mozilla freezes if I try any keyboard input. So long as I use the mouse only (to choose from bookmarks or click on links), everything seems to be OK, but as soon as I touch the keyboard, the program freezes. I can't type in a URL or even a search phrase in GOOGLE (I had to use konq to GOOGLE for a solution). Once the program freezes, nothing works, and the program no longer responds to the mouse either. Only killing the process (or using MDKs xkill icon) gets me out of trouble. Here are some things I've tried: 1 - I tried starting Mozilla from the command line, in the hopes of seeing some error messages, but that didn't help. 2 - I tried starting Mozilla as root and had the same freeze. 3 - I tried to create a new profile, but got the same freeze when I tried to type a profile name in the dialogue box, so couldn't define a new profile. 4 - restarting KDE doesn't help either. I've been running Mozilla 1.3.1 on MDK 9.1 for a long time with no problems. The problem started a few days ago. Obviously, something on my system has changed but I can't think of anything I've changed recently. The only changes I've done lately have been to run MDK update, but I don't remember any updates that should have had any affect on mozilla. Has anyone seen this behaviour or know what to look for? TIA = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla keyboard freeze
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Shlomo Solomon wrote: WOW - that really was magic - it works (killall esd). What the hell is going on here? You didn't tell if you have Flash plugin installed or not. Best I have found is that if you have Flash plugin installed, then when you want to play some sound with your browser, OR sometimes when you want to type(why?) your browser wants to run another copy of esd or something like that... Try esddsp mozilla and see if anything changes. No luck for me. behdad On Wednesday 24 December 2003 00:59, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Lemme do some magic here: When it freezes, close XMMS and it would melt down in a couple of seconds! If you don't have XMMS, killall esd and it would melt. No more news why it happens. I guess you have Flash plugin installed. behdad = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hard Disk mirroring
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003, Amir Spivak wrote: Hi, I have a server which i want to copy in case of a HD failure, the way i want to do it is just copying all its contents to a new HD that i will mount on the server, after mounting, i want a utility that will mirror entire HD to it in the simplest way possible, tar zcf thx. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] Fwd: [vox] Microsoft interested in our feelings
I second you indeed. behdad On Sun, 21 Dec 2003, Shlomi Fish wrote: On Sun, 21 Dec 2003, Meir Kriheli wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 19 December 2003 21:10, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: A Microsoft networking division manager has been contacting LUGs (including LUGoD) regarding what appear to be focus groups concerning where you'd like to see Microsoft in five years.-6' comes to mind [read more below for details] This being a slow friday evening, this strikes me as an excellent time to ask y'all where would you like to see Linux (the kernel) andLinux (the OS) be in five years. Go wild... Cheers, Muli 1. Hope that the SCO mess will be over by then. Me too. 2. G++ compile speed for C++ code on par with GCC (those kde cvs compiles are way too long). First of all, I'm not sure the speed of C++ compilation can ever approach the speed of ANSI C compilation, because C++ is a more complex language. But you are right that the speed of g++ is lacking and probably can be improved. 3. freedesktop.org will be more dominant in DE/WMs development process. 4. Keith Packard work will be merged in the main xfree86 tree (and he'll be back on team). I second that. 5. e17 will be released :-P 6. Standart compliance everywhere and across OSes (web browsers/sites, file formats etc). I second that as well. Regards, Shlomi Fish -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ Writing a BitKeeper replacement is probably easier at this point than getting its license changed. Matt Mackall on OFTC.net #offtopic. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] Fwd: [vox] Microsoft interested in our feelings
On Fri, 19 Dec 2003, Diego Iastrubni wrote: linux? what linux? in 5 years i would like to use the hurd! :) What does the hypothetical hurd has promised you to do that you like to use it? Is it the name that is better than linux? IMHO forget about hurd. It's simply dead. Who's gonna write all these drivers again? The best is that they need porting every driver from linux to so called hurd which may be simply an implementation of linux's internal interface... as hirds... b , 19 2003, 23:10,Muli Ben-Yehuda: A Microsoft networking division manager has been contacting LUGs (including LUGoD) regarding what appear to be focus groups concerning where you'd like to see Microsoft in five years. -6' comes to mind [read more below for details] This being a slow friday evening, this strikes me as an excellent time to ask y'all where would you like to see Linux (the kernel) and Linux (the OS) be in five years. Go wild... Cheers, Muli To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ignoring setgid
The only way I can think of is: cp /usr/bin/myprog ~ chmod g-s ~/myprog ~/myprog behdad On Fri, 12 Dec 2003, Noam Meltzer wrote: Hi, Assume a situation where I have a program, lets sat: /usr/bin/myprog which the permissions on it are: rwxr-sr-x now, i'm not the owner of the program, but a member of its group. but, i don't want to run this program and getting it change my effective gid. is there a way preventing it from doing so? 10x, Noam = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ignoring setgid
BTW, something people may not know. If you own a file with a group owner that you are not a member, then you cannot change the sgid bit on the file. b On Fri, 12 Dec 2003, Alex Chudnovsky wrote: On Friday 12 December 2003 15:53, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: The only way I can think of is: cp /usr/bin/myprog ~ chmod g-s ~/myprog This is unnecessary. Copying doesn't set the setuid and setgid permission bits for the destination file. [EMAIL PROTECTED] exercises]$ chmod u+s constructors [EMAIL PROTECTED] exercises]$ ls -l constructors -rwsr-xr-x1 alex users 14517 Dec 2 14:00 constructors* [EMAIL PROTECTED] exercises]$ cp constructors constructors2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] exercises]$ ls -l constructors* -rwsr-xr-x1 alex users 14517 Dec 2 14:00 constructors* -rwxr-xr-x1 alex users 14517 Dec 12 17:51 constructors2* ~/myprog behdad = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Slow KDE?
Never call a system slow again just because of 90 seconds on startup. That startup time is almost always between 1 and 2 minutes, but that's not your system's speed, nor bottleneck. Why do you need to turn it off? behdad On Wed, 10 Dec 2003, Amichai Rotman wrote: Hi all, I used to have a Celleron 850 MHz with 128 MB RAM. My systemwas slow. Understandable... No I own a Compaq Presario 2540 EA with a P4 2.66 GHz and 512 MB RAM... The system is still slo... Where should I look for possible culprits? I have MDK 9.2 with KDE 3.1.3 and it takes the system to come up from power-up to after-restoring-session (including a fast logon at the KDM manager) about 90 secs (!) What could it be? Thanks, Amichai Rotman. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SuSE - The Next Default Linux?
Hi, Nice discussion. But you are underestimating Fedora IMHO. I can't see why you drop it so hard. Those three monsters are interested in business, and there is still RHEL. On desktop? Sure, they don't spend dollars for Linux on desktop. The only option is still Fedora. And I was at a Novell miniconference, and they were saying twice a minute that they support RHEL either, and would continue to do that. BTW, Fedora is the answer for personal use. Many GNOME developers, kernel developers, and other distinguished people work for Red Hat. Actually it's not amazing that Debian people have enought time to package every shit on earth, as they have nothing more to do, just packaging. But Red Hat developers are those that are advancing the borders of FOSS on desktop. $0.02 behdad On Sat, 6 Dec 2003, Eli Marmor wrote: Hi, I want to raise an issue for discussion; It is not related specifically to Hebrew, nor to Israel, nor to me, but I haven't seen any similar discussion on the net, so I raise it here: Until recently, there was not a real competition in the field of Linux distributions; RedHat was the default, and all the rest (hundreds (!) of them, according to LWN) served specific niches. This has been the status for at least 5-6 years. (Mandrake was popular too, but earned its popularity thanks for starting as RH++, till it was popular enough to start its own way) However, recently, in a very short time (2-3 months), a series of dramatic events happened, that might changed everything we have ever known about this field: 1. RH stopped shipping packages (though Fedora is partially an option). 2. Novell acquired SuSE. 3. IBM left its 100% neutral status, and now is backing SuSE directly, developing shared projects with it, and even helped Novell to acquire SuSE (see #2 above) by investing $50M in Novell shares. 4. Sun released its own Linux distribution, JDS (p.k.a MadHatter), and guess what - it is based on SuSE too. So with no RH package anymore, Mandrake based on charity, Debian serves mostly freaks and embedded needs, and all of the 3 big names (IBM/SUN/ Novell) backing SuSE - is SuSE the new RH? Is it going to be the new default Linux instead of RH? The shared power of IBM/Sun/Novell should not be underestimated; It's a dramatic development that all of the three biggest names (in size of company) stand behind one distribution. In the past it has never happened; the most that such companies agreed to say, was that they preferred GNOME over KDE or vice-versa. Now, all of them stand behind the same distribution, which has not been the leader one, ever. Moreover, the center of power of SuSE has been in Europe in general, and Germany in particular, but all of these 3 companies are based in the US. Is it the start of a new era in the Linux business? Please don't try to guess my own opinion from this message (I still don't have), or flame me for raising the question; I'm just a wondering man, who has difficulties in trying to guess the future of Linux and choose his next distribution according to it. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MSN messanger for linux and linux compatible webcam
-- Oron Peled Voice/Fax: +972-4-8228492 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.actcom.co.il/~oron 3Com only purchased rights to the numbers '3' '5' and '9', Intel owns '4', '8', '6', and '2'. '0' and '1' are still in the public domain ;-) -Donald Becker Hope both remain in public domain. Otherwise our computers should encode in unary :(. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: can't save data on disk-on-key
On Fri, 28 Nov 2003, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote: On Fri, Nov 28, 2003 at 08:43:14AM +0200, Shlomo Solomon wrote: On Friday 28 November 2003 02:36, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Don't trust any app ;). Change 'auto' to 'vfat' in fstab and give it a try. Thanks - that did it . You have no idea what a relief this is for me :-) BTW, it's weird that msdos is ahead of vfat when 'auto'. Does anyone have any idea why is this? vfat exists for many years, and I don't think it's considered less stable than msdos. And now we see it's even better in some cases. Quoting man mount: The type iso9660 is the default. If no -t option is given, or if the auto type is specified, the superblock is probed for the filesystem type (adfs, bfs, cramfs, ext, ext2, ext3, hfs, hpfs, iso9660, jfs, minix, ntfs, qnx4, reiserfs, romfs, ufs, vxfs, xfs, xiafs are supported). If this probe fails, mount will try to read the file /etc/filesystems, or, if that does not exist, /proc/filesystems. All of the filesystem types listed there will be tried, except for those that are labeled nodev (e.g., devpts, proc and nfs). Note that the auto type may be useful for user- mounted floppies. Creating a file /etc/filesystems can be useful to change the probe order (e.g., to try vfat before msdos) or if you use a kernel mod- ule autoloader. Warning: the probing uses a heuristic (the presence of appropriate `magic'), and could recognize the wrong filesystem type. ^ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Search results - strange results
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003, Shachar Shemesh wrote: I'll remind you that the original question was not about why my site was ranked higher/lower than other sites. The question was how come there were three hits between two almost identical pages on the same site. Perhaps the engine prefers HTML to DOC? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: can't save data on disk-on-key
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003, Shlomo Solomon wrote: On Thursday 27 November 2003 20:48, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: Most of those devices have write protect latch/switch on them, make sure it's off.. that was the first thing I checked ;-) Copy a huge file on it and the umount. At least one of them should take long. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: can't save data on disk-on-key
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003, Shlomo Solomon wrote: second - it's MSDOS? Not vfat? Why? Can you try vfat, with and without options (such as iocharset=, codepage=, uni_xlate, utf8)? Why? - as noted above, this was all set up by KUDZU. I'm not sure I understand your suggestion. Do you mean I should make changes to fstab and if so, what changes? Don't trust any app ;). Change 'auto' to 'vfat' in fstab and give it a try. But that's not all I asked for. What does dmesg say when plugging in or out? here's dmesg after unplugging and immediately plugging in again: usb.c: USB disconnect on device 00:07.2-1.3 address 25 hub.c: new USB device 00:07.2-1.3, assigned address 26 WARNING: USB Mass Storage data integrity not assured USB Mass Storage device found at 26 I was unable to find any useful information about the above warning message on GOOGLE. The message appears in lots of posts to various forums, but nobody writes if it's a problem (after all it is a warning and not an error, so I guess people are ignoring it). = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BIDI support KDE-3.2 and Mozilla (WAS Mail and Hebrew )
Did you tried htmlarea 3.0? That beast works in Mozilla, but some r2l hacking needed. behdad On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, Moshe Leibovitch wrote: I'm sure that if I was looking for kernel-coffee-maker, I'd have 157 people jumping and offering 7 blends :) Well, I know that bidi in Mozilla is less sexy but if we all want to proliferate Linux, such features are important. PS I installed KDE-3.2_beta1 and used Konqueror and It just works.( I defined ctrl_shift in XF86config ) It looks that indeed, all QT based applications has the same BIDI (vary pleasing) behavior. PSS Did I mention that IE works great? :) Tzafrir Cohen 1. I want to use Linux not windows with KDE port 2. Most users don't even know that there is a world without a mouse :) Shachar 1. Ilya Konstantinov donated the script 2. Doesn't work on 1.5 Moish On Sun, Nov 23, 2003 at 11:18:30PM +0200, Moshe Leibovitch wrote: It's a real pain to use kmail remotely using vnc+ssh. Use a decent X server. Maybe install something from http://kde-cygwin.sf.net/ alongside Life could be much easier if Mozilla supported RTL+LTR switching. At the moment, we must use IE for proper hebrew support of mail composing. Tell that to my mom that uses mozilla I Want to use Squirrelmail with htmlarea hack but Mozilla does'nt support something like BlockDirRtl/Ltr as IE does. OTOH, mozilla's GUI is far more customizable. In fact, customizable enough for some people to hack bidi editing into it (links, anybody?) The Mozilla project and its spinoffs looks very promising otherwise. Are there any solutions beyond those I mentioned for remote email usage? mutt in that ssh session. Who needs more? -- Tzafrir Cohen +---+ http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir/ |vim is a mutt's best friend| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +---+ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This email was sent using SquirrelMail. Webmail for nuts! http://squirrelmail.org/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Telux Wine lecture (was Re: [OT?] SPAM)
Are there slides in English published anywhere? behdad On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Orna Agmon wrote: I think this is a good time to mention that in the first regular Haifux lecture of the season, Aviram Jenik will talk about SPAM. The lecture will take place on Monday 15/12/2003, in Taub 3 (floor 1), Technion. Orna. Ok, I'll take the free associations one step forward. Next Sunday (30/11), I'll be giving a lecture about Wine in Telux (http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/telux/). The Telux advanced lectures ahead are: 14/12 - PHP, Lior Kaplan 28/12 - The advantages of teaching people to hack, Aviram Jenik 11/1 - Embedded Linux, Gilad Ben-Yossef Some of these lectures bear similar names to lectures given in the past at Haifux. However, you will find the quality of a good lecture is that it improves over time. So, if you are interested in hearing these lectures, please feel free to drop at the Tel Aviv University next Sunday (and every other Sunday after that one). 6:30pm. Shreiber building. More importantly, if you want to give a lecture, please either mail the address on the site, or subscribe to the telux mailing list - send empty mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Shachar = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SUDO over SSH session Authentication failure
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003, Lesha wrote: Hi! While connecting to station with Linux RH8 on via SSH (NIS user) and trying to run SUDO I'm required to enter the password, but... the authentication is always failed. However, running SUDO locally succeeds. Something around securettys... Look around in /etc/securettys and /etc/security. Thanks in advance, Arie = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: bugzilla reports
Try the Red Hat version of bugzilla, available from bugzilla.redhat.com. It works with a PostgreSQL backend too. b On Mon, 17 Nov 2003, Tomer Cohen wrote: I'm trying to look for a prorgam which connects to bugzilla and can create reports based on the bugs in the bugzilla.. Bugzilla 2.16.x has a very basic 'report' scheme which is not sufficient... Recent versions of bugzilla allow CSV access to any page. You can run a query on the web, than ask the server to supply results in CSV. It works for me quite good with a PHP script. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Xen and the art of open source licenses (Was: EULA on free software)
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, Oded Arbel wrote: 11 2003, 09:49,Muli Ben-Yehuda: On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 09:42:45AM +0200, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote: If you only want Linux on Linux, there is Xen (STFW). It doesn't run regular kernels - they have a port of Linux to it, and there is an ongoing port of WinXP to it. Xen[1] is interesing because of their claim of only a few percent of performance loss in the guest machine. On the other hand, having to run a modified kernel[2] is a big turnoff for me. And have I mentioned that the project is partially sponsored by MS research? ;-) I find it weird that Microsoft research (I assume an organizational unit of Microsoft Corporation, also known in some circles as the great evil) is sponsoring a GPLed project, given the corporation's anti-GPL attitude. Having (probable some) financial influence on the project, I think they might have tried to force them to use a BSD style license which Microsoft loves so much (it allows them to copy code directly into their proprietary products). They should have been attacking us from inside ;-) To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
GNOME print stuff
Hi Dov and others, Got a technical question, can you briefly let me know where's GNOME's printing system standing with respect to Arabic and Hebrew? I see the test.utf8 file there in libgnomeprint sources, but have no luck on Arabic yet. Any references, ideas, ... Thanks a lot behdad = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Redhat 9 slowness - continued
Nadav, Can you test it the LD_ASSUME_KERNEL way? So we know if it can be the same problem? behdad On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Nadav Har'El wrote: On Sun, Nov 09, 2003, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote about Re: Redhat 9 slowness - continued: There was a recent thread on lkml about locking suckage with the NPTL libraries. I haven't followed too closely, but it might be relevant: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernelm=106797325227861w=2 (thread beginning, it gets interesting around the middle). Interesting thread. Especially interesting is http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernelm=106798571412279w=2 and a claim that this was fixed in the current glibc version (but not in any distribution): http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernelm=106798991616656w=2 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernelm=106801636804413w=2 I don't know yet if this is the same problem that I saw, or a completely different problem. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: EULA on free software?
The issue of Red Hat's trademark policy has been raised on fedora-devel list and both Alan Cox and a few other people has forwarded the issue to the legal department. There are a few hackers there that don't like to put their job under trademarked software like redhat-config-*. behdad On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Hi list, I downloaded Fedora, and tried to install it on a box of mine (well - VMWare to be precise). The problem with installing it was not technical. The problem was that Fedora now includes an End User License Agreement. That's right, folks. I may be paranoid, but to me an EULA means that someone is trying to apply contract laws where copyright laws (or, in this case, Trademark laws) can't get them what they want. I don't like such behaviour. Already as things are today, images prepared for the CDs for the Haifux installation party had to be debated long and hard before we could produce them. I'm afraid that things will only become worse with the EULA. As such, I'm left with a very bad taste in my mouth. It seems to me that RedHat has drifted away major parts of the spirit of free software (happy hacking), and into the land of let's make much money fast. While perfectly acceptable for a commercial company, it doesn't feel right for me to promote anti-hacking practices within the community. Personally, I will try to avoid the use and promotion of any Linux distribution covered by a RedHat trademark. I will also advise all of you to be careful before duplicating any such CDs. Most benign uses are still ok, but just barely so. I guess what I'm trying to say is this - I did not move to free software so that I need to consult a lawer for every thing I do. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hebrew *.pps viewer under Linux?
Guess OpenOffice.org should work. The one shipped with Fedora Core 1 does a nice job on bidi, but not that nice with Arabic Joining. On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Omer Zak wrote: Version 2.0.1 of AbiWord is out, and I have successfully installed its RH 8.0 RPMs (by the way, you need also fribidi0-0.10.4-0.i586.rpm to satisfy a dependency). It knows to view those MS-Word *.doc documents which I tested. Beside *.doc documents, people still send me MS-PowerPoint *.pps files once in a while, forcing me to boot MS-Windows 2000 in order to view them. So: what is the current status of Linux based software, which can view Hebrew language *.pps files? --- Omer My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recommended MS-Outlook replacement scheduling software under Linux?
Ximian Evolution 1.4 is finally stable enough to use. The one on FC1... ;). Better you install FC1. On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Omer Zak wrote: I think that the subject has already been discussed, but things change all the time so I am raising this question again. Given that MS-Outlook interoperability is not needed but its features are needed: For E-mail, Mozilla can be used. I routinely use version 1.4 and am happy with it. I even configured it to launch AbiWord rather than OpenOffice when it is necessary to view MS-Word *.doc documents (man plugger, /etc/pluggerrc). However, what about the scheduling and calendar features of MS-Outlook? --- Omer My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GPL (was GUI language for beginners)
On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Oron Peled wrote: Its yet to stand up in court though. What should stand up in court? The right to distribute software against its license terms? You must be drinking. The only thing a court may need to decide is if linking a library makes your software a derived work. As I said before, this case looks clear enough to most people that even infringing companies prefer to release code and not go to court when they get caught. good day, Merely linking with a library does not make your software derived work of that company! How can that be? Let's take an example. Suppose Wine is distributed under the GPL (It's LGPL, but for the sake of discussion). According to your logic, any program that is built to link against Wine is a derivative work of Wine, and therefor must be under the GPL. This is patently absured. Most of the programs that link with Wine never heard of Wine in their entire life. They were built to link with Win32 API, expecting Microsoft's version of it. How can a software that never knew about my program be considered derivative work of it? For that reason, I'm not sure that the QT GPL license indeed means what some people think it means. I'm pretty sure that's what QT's people expected it to mean, but that still does not mean this is, indeed, the case. In any case, I think the Wine example clearly shows that the mere act of dynamic linking does not yet make a program derived work. Guess you are missing something (as I did first). Qt's code for XWindow system is GPLed, and you can run it under cygwin. But the Windows specific part of code is just QPLed, and as the rest is double licensed, there's no problem in mixing them with non-GPL compatible code. Shachar = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fedora release
On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Nadav Har'El wrote: I just noticed that Fedora Core 1 was released today (I think) - see http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/release-notes/. Is this what would-have-been-called Redhat 10 (or Redhat 9.1 or whatever)? It certainly looks that way, except I don't see a big fuss about this release (we always had a couple of weeks of rumors before a Redhat release...). What's the Core part of the release name - should I be waiting for some non-core parts of this release, or is this Fedora Core the good-old-Redhat's new name? It appears, then, that it is not the end of the world as we know it :) Hey, don't know why people talk about it from afar. I have been involved in Fedora for two months now. Come meet us in #fedora and #fedora-devel at irc.freenode.net, or join fedora-devel list to see how great people discuss about this community project. Alan Cox, Havoc Pennington, Owen Taylor, Eric Raymond, and many many other great hackers... And the answers: Yes, it's what you can call Red Hat 10. And the release was scheduled for Nov 3, but got delayed for a couple of days. No fuss, just because development was open, so you could see what's in, and what's not. No magic. Core, means this is the Core of Fedora as you guessed. Fedora Core is the main part of system, that Red Hat is contributing to. Fedora Extras would exist. Currently packages for Fedora Extra can be found at http://fedora.us/. And new packages get in every day. Your final word, absolutely not! It's just the beginning. You should expects miracles for Fedora Core 2. An experience never done before in the Open Source software world. Come see yourself on fedora-devel list. Hope it helps, behdad = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GPL (was GUI language for beginners)
Shachar, I guess you are still a bit wrong about GPL, but of course IANAL. IMHO, it's not the black or white world of it's a derived work or not. Random notes: * LGPL is GPL compatible, but it does not mean you if you are not the author of an LGPLed piece of code, you are allowed to make a derived work out of it and release it under GPL (your winw example). LGPL is GPL complatible, means LGPL gives a user at least the freedom that GPL does, so you can *link* to an LGPL library, or even use it and include it in your GPLed software, but that library should still remain LGPL. Your new work can be GPLed. The whole idea of copyleft is: You can't get freedom from the user, so can't restrict LGPLed code to GPLed. * GPL requires that derived work must be GPL too. Derived work here is work that uses the source code of the original one. * GPL also requires that using the code (linking to it, ...), can be done just from GPLed code. So, MS Office is not a derived work of winw (a GPLed wine clone), so winw cannot *force* MS to make it's Office suite GPLed, but as an agreement between copyright holder of winw and you the user, you are not allowed to run MS Office (which is not GPLed) under winw. This pieces from GPL FAQ may help: You have a GPL'ed program that I'd like to link with my code to build a proprietary program. Does the fact that I link with your program mean I have to GPL my program? Yes. If so, is there any chance I could get a license of your program under the Lesser GPL? You can ask, but most authors will stand firm and say no. The idea of the GPL is that if you want to include our code in your program, your program must also be free software. It is supposed to put pressure on you to release your program in a way that makes it part of our community. You always have the legal alternative of not using our code. How can I allow linking of proprietary modules with my GPL-covered library under a controlled interface only? Add this text to the license notice of each file in the package, at the end of the text that says the file is distributed under the GNU GPL: Linking FOO statically or dynamically with other modules is making a combined work based on FOO. Thus, the terms and conditions of the GNU General Public License cover the whole combination. As a special exception, the copyright holders of FOO give you permission to link FOO with independent modules that communicate with FOO solely through the FOOBAR interface, regardless of the license terms of these independent modules, and to copy and distribute the resulting combined work under terms of your choice, provided that every copy of the combined work is accompanied by a complete copy of the source code of FOO (the version of FOO used to produce the combined work), being distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License plus this exception. An independent module is a module which is not derived from or based on FOO. Note that people who make modified versions of FOO are not obligated to grant this special exception for their modified versions; it is their choice whether to do so. The GNU General Public License gives permission to release a modified version without this exception; this exception also makes it possible to release a modified version which carries forward this exception. behdad On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Shachar Shemesh wrote: As it is clear that I have been misunderstood, I'll try to explain again. Wine is LGPL. As such, it is not covered by this discussion. Let's then take the wine code, and fork it. We'll call the new program Winw, for Winw is not Wine. Winw is licensed under the GPL (as the GPL is LGPL compatible, this is perfectly ok). Now let's look at the email again. Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: Merely linking with a library does not make your software derived work of that company! How can that be? What if all your software does is add a main() to a 100,000 lines of code in the library? by the provisions of the GPL, linking your code with a GPL'd library makes your code a derived work. You missed my point. The question is not whether it sometimes is. The question is whether it is sometimes isn't. Quoting the GPL FAQ: Q: If a library is released under the GPL (not the LGPL), does that mean that any program which uses it has to be under the GPL? A: Yes, because the program as it is actually run includes the library. That establishes, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that the FSF consider it derived work. They are not the determining factor, however. The GPL is based on the copyright law. Just as you wouldn't want SCO to decide what is and what isn't derived work based solely on their whim, you wouldn't let the FSF do the same. The question, therefor, remain. Does merely linking (dynamically) with a library make my program a derived work of the library? Let's
Re: GUI language for beginners
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Shlomi Fish wrote: On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Ely Levy wrote: On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, Diego Iastrubni wrote: Here is my opinion: any one of this 3 sounds cool. I put here only the downsides of each approach. gtk: * not object oriented (looks un-natural to build gui's in no oop language) * looks funkey on win32 qt: * not free in win32 Actually it is now. Free as in speech? I don't think so. Care to enlighten us? Isn't it dual licensed as GPL/QPL? Doesn't GPL mean free as in speech? Regards, Shlomi Fish Ely behdad = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Qt runs much slower on rh9.
Red Hat 7.2 has QT 2.x, and 9 has QT 3.x. The main difference between QT 2 and 3 is Unicode support, which can slow things down a bit. Can you give some numbers or so then? behdad On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Josh Roden wrote: We're in the process of changing over to Red Hat 9 from Red Hat 7.2. So far we have found one problem with Red Hat 9. The problem is that Qt runs a lot slower on Red Hat 9. Any advice on the subject would be appreciated. I noticed that running Qt doesn't affect the 2 cpu's on the server very much. Thank you, Josh Roden Hadassah College Computer Science = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: working directory
On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 09:01:55AM +0200, Shai Bentin wrote: Here's the whole story. I have a java application which needs to start from the directory where it is as a working directory. The problem is that this application can be installed by the user anywhere on his system. So I need a way to start the application from the diectory it was saved in. In windows for example I can create a shortcut with a working directory, in Linux I don't know? One way is to use a script which I ask the user to set the working directory by him self. My question is if there are other ways to do it? untested, but should work, modulu error handling: APP=`which app` DIR=`dirname $APP` cd $DIR echo $DIR $APP Unfortunately fails almost all the time, unless APP is something like X or Java or some huge other thing that has its own share in $PATH. Otherwise, perhaps you are trying a symlink is a public bin directory (/usr/bin) which points to your own bin (/usr/MyApp/bin). I probably would suggest (and actually use) this one: APP=myApp BASEAPP=`\which $APP 2/dev/null` BASEAPP=`readlink -f $APP` DIR=`dirname $BASEAPP` [ -n $DIR ] cd $DIR $APP The backslash before app better be there (try which ls). [coded over-protectively] etc = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: working directory
On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 03:50:25AM -0500, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: APP=`which app` DIR=`dirname $APP` cd $DIR echo $DIR $APP Unfortunately fails almost all the time, unless APP is something like X or Java or some huge other thing that has its own share in $PATH. Huh? if app is a standalone executable, it works. If app needs an interpreter to run (i.e. 'java foo' or '/bin/bash myscript'), you will need to adapt the snippet above to it. An standalone executable works, but I can't see why would you want to set your CWD to /usr/bin. It happens many times to me to create /usr/local/myapp, and do ln -s /usr/local/myapp/bin/* /usr/local/bin/, which is when my script works (to find /usr/local/myapp perhaps). Otherwise, perhaps you are trying a symlink is a public bin directory (/usr/bin) which points to your own bin (/usr/MyApp/bin). I probably would suggest (and actually use) this one: APP=myApp BASEAPP=`\which $APP 2/dev/null` people who alias 'which' to something else deserve what they get ;-) What do you do when redhat does that? BTW, it seems to me like a bug in which(1), either in code, or documentation: [EMAIL PROTECTED] behdad]$ man which | tail -54 | head -2 --tty-only Stop processing options on the right if not on tty. [EMAIL PROTECTED] behdad]$ alias | grep which alias which='alias | /usr/bin/which --tty-only --read-alias --show-dot --show-tilde' [EMAIL PROTECTED] behdad]$ which giveaway ~/bin/giveaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] behdad]$ echo `which giveaway` /home/behdad/bin/giveaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] behdad]$ which ls alias ls='ls --color=tty' /bin/ls [EMAIL PROTECTED] behdad]$ echo `which ls` alias ls='ls --color=tty' /bin/ls [EMAIL PROTECTED] behdad]$ echo `\which ls` /bin/ls [EMAIL PROTECTED] behdad]$ ### But isn't it supposed to ignore --read-alias like it ignoring --show-tilde?? BASEAPP=`readlink -f $APP` interesing twist, but I'm not sure it's necessary. The clean way of setting home dirs etc is perhaps through configure (no runtime then :( ). Cheers, Muli Cheers, behdad PS. Perhaps it's too soon, but: Everybody, come to Ottawa Linux Symposium '2004 http://www.linuxsymposium/. It's a great event. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: working directory
On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 04:27:14AM -0500, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: An standalone executable works, but I can't see why would you want to set your CWD to /usr/bin. It happens many times to me to That's what the original poster wanted. Don't ask me why, I'm a big proponent of letting people shoot themselves in the foot if they so desire ;-) I see. create /usr/local/myapp, and do ln -s /usr/local/myapp/bin/* /usr/local/bin/, which is when my script works (to find /usr/local/myapp perhaps). Ok, I concede. Your readlink is indeed better. There, happy now? :-) Not quite happy. I hope if you had comments on my last note, about hard-wiring paths in configure time. It's really a big question for me, where to hard wire paths? I'm to write a suite of Python scripts for managing course material here in U of T, and I don't want to go through all that autoconf stuff. Well, I can go by just hard-wiring /etc/mypackage and ~/.mypackage/. people who alias 'which' to something else deserve what they get ;-) What do you do when redhat does that? Cheap shot, but ... switch to debian? ;-) Oh No! I'm enjoying running Rawhide. Having a fragile system is not so bad for development. (I reminded myself of under-development countries ;) ). PS. Perhaps it's too soon, but: Everybody, come to Ottawa Linux Symposium '2004 http://www.linuxsymposium/. It's a great event. Oh, I'll be there, you can count on it. I decided not to go to linux.conf.au even though my paper was accepted to be extra certain I'll make it to OLS. See you there :-) Pretty far AU. So, waiting for you on the reg. desk. Cheers, Muli behdad = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: working directory
On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 05:17:35AM -0500, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Not quite happy. I hope if you had comments on my last note, about hard-wiring paths in configure time. It's really a big question for me, where to hard wire paths? I'm to write a suite If you can, don't hardwire them at all. If you can't configure time is the best thing, I think. of Python scripts for managing course material here in U of T, and I don't want to go through all that autoconf stuff. Well, I It's actually quite easy. If you're writing pure python, you can hook into the python installation process automagically as another option. I'm pretty new to Python. Do you have another line about this last piece? can go by just hard-wiring /etc/mypackage and ~/.mypackage/. ~/.mypackage is reasonable, /etc/mypackage less so, IMHO. What if the user wants it in /usr/local/etc/ or /opt? autoconf is the way to go. PS. Perhaps it's too soon, but: Everybody, come to Ottawa Linux Symposium '2004 http://www.linuxsymposium/. It's a great event. Oh, I'll be there, you can count on it. I decided not to go to linux.conf.au even though my paper was accepted to be extra certain I'll make it to OLS. See you there :-) Pretty far AU. So, waiting for you on the reg. desk. Oh, you're helping ajh and co run it this year? cool! Planning to leave for Ottawa soon, so can do some like that. Too soon yet ;). = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI language for beginners
Was waiting for someone else to mention that, but no one did. Perhaps PyGTK (Python + GTK bindings) is the best to go these days. There are thousands of small and large examples out there to copy from ;-). Ruby + GTK seems good too, but Ruby is not a language I bother myself learning, when I can learn Python (and did) instead. BTW, something that you shell scripters may like, in GNOME 2.4, have a look at 'zenity'. It displays GTK+ dialogs from command line. behdad On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Hi Aviad, I've decided that a lot of voices make for a more interesting conversation. I'm therefor forwarding your email to a mailing list I read (and occasionally even write to). I'm sure the good people here will have plenty to say. You may want to clarify what sending parameters mean, though. Is that a gui application that invokes a cli application with arguments? Ok, guys. I decided that the distro war from a few days ago was not interesting enough. Let's have a programming language war, while wer'e at it. A good begginer's GUI tool for a univ. project. Which would be best? Shachar aviad wrote: i wonder if you could help me choose between several languages to develop gui based application i got lost between : Python,perl,tcl/tk,qt,gtk+ i need a language that will help me to develop a small gui that will communicate with a non gui linux program (send parameters via gui) hope to hear from you aviad = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Partitioning a big drive
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Oleg Kobets wrote: Hi all, A friend in Iran has bought me a 250GB hard disk. The plan is that they are supposed to put my files there (movies, clips, ...) on it, and send it to me in Canada. The problem now is that how to partition it? Constraints: They have a 250 Gees HD in Iran ? WOW :-) That's not so suprising. I am, however, suprised that the US government didn't declare NTFS a strategic military technology that is not allowed to be exported to Iran, Iraq and others. Windows is already not allowed to be exported to Iran, so no native NTFS... BTW, I miss the computer shops in Tehran. It's really hard to find any specific hardware here. I simply buy online. I'm also a bit buffeled as to why Iraq is still on this list - did they or didn't they conquer it? Is it, or isn't it, a free country? Nice question. That's why many Iranians are saying US can't help Iran too. Oh, no politics. Shachar = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Partitioning a big drive
Hi all, A friend in Iran has bought me a 250GB hard disk. The plan is that they are supposed to put my files there (movies, clips, ...) on it, and send it to me in Canada. The problem now is that how to partition it? Constraints: * I use Linux, so NTFS is not an option. * The friends in Iran need to copy from Windows. So the problems: * First, how should I setup that under Linux? It's a Maxtor one. Both windows and linux detect it as 33GB. Which drivers should be loaded, ...? * How to parition? As the only type between windows and Linux is FAT32, there should be one then. I guess the biggest FAT32 partition can be around 30GB. Right? * Note that repartitioning later is probably not an option, as I don't have enough empty space to move stuff around. And going with FAT32 means I should break it into several partitions, that I hate to do. * The best I can think ritht now is to have two ext3 around 80GB each, and a *buffer* of FAT32. Assuming they don't want to fill more than 160GB. Later I can remove the FAT32, or let it be there as a buffer for windows use. * I'm going to use the hard through a IDE to Firewire converter, as a SCSI device. I guess there would be fewer problems that time. Comments welcome, behdad = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dream Distribution
Fedora Core 1 would be released November 3rd. Fedora is the Red Hat renamed. http://fedora.redhat.com/ Can be updated by both yum and apt-rpm. On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Gal Goldschmidt wrote: Hi, I search for a dream distribution Software: OO1.1 Moz1.5+FB0.7 ( Support for Xprint) Xprint Culmus Koffice 1.2.1 KDE 1.3.4 Pine Latex+Hebrew Lynx XEmacs/Emacs Vim Xmms + mp3 Xpdf gv Kdevelop Eclipse All the POSIX utils No ADware. Management: APT based, so I can upgrade just about everything but the kernel, on-line. Never have to reinstall/upgrade the OS offline. 1. RH and Mandrake have this annoying upgrade every year or no security updates policy. Also upgrading from one version to another is a ceremony of taking the machine down for a few hours. I can't blame them, they need some way to make us upgrade and buy the new version. 2. Debian is close, but Woody is very old and no Hebrew support. Unstable is well... unstable, the kde is broken because of a broken libsensors. It seem to work, it has problems and it's a moving target, keeping a secure and stable machine with it is not easy. 3. The closest thing I got is Gentoo, So do I have to compile everything and make a tar file distro? Bye Gal = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] behdad, who is going to study after finishing this mail. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dream Distribution
On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Diego Iastrubni wrote: , ' , 23:42,Behdad Esfahbod: Fedora Core 1 would be released November 3rd. Fedora is the Red Hat renamed. http://fedora.redhat.com/ bla bla bla... anyone can quote from the site... :) the real question is: how usable is it? Red*at (i dont want to be sued LOL) out of the box is quite unusable compared to Mandrake. There are fedora extras, fedora testing, fedora unstable, and also some fedora non-US stuff hanging around. They include mplayer, xine, xmms-mp3, emule, ... Even jpackage.org Java packages. I'm quite satisfied with my current system, which is a rawhide and a few other repos. I have attached my yum.conf at the end of the mail. Can be updated by both yum and apt-rpm. we both know that not the program to update is the issue, but the content. are there good places to find updates from? will SuSe rpms work on Fedora? behdad, who is going to study after finishing this mail. You keep on using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. That's it. I just removed that. behdad [main] cachedir=/var/cache/yum debuglevel=2 logfile=/var/log/yum.log pkgpolicy=newest distroverpkg=rawhide-release diskspacecheck=0 tolerant=1 exactarch=1 installonlypkgs=kernel kernel-source [base] name=Red Hat Linux 0.95 - $basearch - Base baseurl=http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/0.95/$basearch/ gpgcheck=1 [updates] name=Red Hat Linux 0.95 - Updates baseurl=http://mirror.dulug.duke.edu/pub/yum-repository/redhat/updates/0.95/ gpgcheck=1 [rawhide] name=Rawhide Latest baseurl=http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/ gpgcheck=0 [fedora-stable] name=Fedora Linux / stable for Red Hat Linux 0.95 ($basearch) baseurl=http://download.fedora.us/fedora/redhat/0.95/$basearch/yum/stable/ gpgcheck=1 [fedora-testing] name=Fedora Linux / testing for Red Hat Linux 0.95 (0.95) baseurl=http://download.fedora.us/fedora/redhat/0.95/$basearch/yum/testing/ gpgcheck=1 [fedora-unstable] name=Fedora Linux / unstable for Red Hat Linux 0.95 ($basearch) baseurl=http://download.fedora.us/fedora/redhat/0.95/$basearch/yum/unstable/ gpgcheck=1 [livna-stable] name=Livna.org Fedora Compatible Packages (stable) baseurl=http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/0.95/$basearch/yum/stable gpgcheck=1 [livna-unstable] name=Livna.org Fedora Compatible Packages (unstable) baseurl=http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/0.95/$basearch/yum/unstable gpgcheck=1 [livna-testing] name=Livna.org Fedora Compatible Packages (testing) baseurl=http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/0.95/$basearch/yum/testing gpgcheck=1 [arjanv] name=Test Linux 2.6-test prerelease kernels for RHL9/rawhide baseurl=http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5 [mharris] name=Test XFree86 for rawhide baseurl=ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris/testing/unstable [jpackage15-generic] name=JPackage 1.5, generic baseurl=http://us.dl.sf.net/jpackage/direct_download/1.5/generic/free/ gpgcheck=1 [jpackage15-rh9] name=JPackage 1.5 for Red Hat Linux 9 baseurl=http://us.dl.sf.net/jpackage/direct_download/1.5/redhat-9/free/ gpgcheck=1 To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dream Distribution
On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: Pine Has a license issue. Thus it is not exactly part of debian. I believe that it is in a process of being dropped-of from other distros: Is it in recent RedHats? It's dropped in Fedora Core. Mandrake comply with its license by changing the version name Latex+Hebrew [ Mandrake has a relatively obsolete copy. Debian has a more recent copy. I'm not sure about gentoo ] Lynx XEmacs/Emacs Recent gnu emacs is supposed to be getting bidi support, right? Not merged with HEAD yet AFAIK. Vim Xmms + mp3 Has a minor legal issue for any distro that wants to be available in the US. Xpdf gv Kdevelop Eclipse Actually now Ecipse should be able to be built with gcj and thus not require a non-free jvm, right? All the POSIX utils [ Try busybox. Will get you about a half... ] No ADware. Can anybody comment on the adware in Mandrake? (unless someone already has and I missed it somehow) Management: APT based, so I can upgrade just about everything but the kernel, on-line. Never have to reinstall/upgrade the OS offline. Mandrake has urpmi, which has most of apt's functionality. It seems to lack some of the finer-grain control features of apt, but it basically works, and it more mature than apt-rpm. 1. RH and Mandrake have this annoying upgrade every year or no security updates policy. Also upgrading from one version to another is a ceremony of taking the machine With RedHat this seems to be: a release cycle of 4-6 monthes. Errata release up until 2-3 monthes after the next distor's release., right? Red Hat used to have 12months of errata, with the new infrastructure, perhaps you can easily upgrade. I myself live on rawhide. A single yum update every night does that. Mandrake: 18 monthes. down for a few hours. I can't blame them, they need some way to make us upgrade and buy the new version. 2. Debian is close, but Woody is very old and no Hebrew support. It has Hebrew latex, at least... You can also easily find good sources of recent KDE for woody. And probably gnome as well. Unstable is well... unstable, the kde is broken because of a broken libsensors. It seem to work, it has problems and it's a moving target, keeping a secure and stable machine with it is not easy. 3. The closest thing I got is Gentoo, if you rule out debian testing or unstable, you should try Mandrake. It seems to have almost anything you need, except , maybe the most recent version of mozilla. The version of OO may need some upgrade (Diego: are those bugs indfeed due to the use of rc4?). And you can't expect a stable distro to be on the edge. You'll have to get secuirty errata, and you wouldn't want to need to rebuild half your system for installing a security patch. Mandrake currently is the most recently-released, and thus has an edge here. Fedora Core 1 will be released November 3rd. (at least if your CD isn't LG...) If you like bleeding edge, then try the one supplied by each distro. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GPL Licensing Question
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: On Sunday 26 October 2003 23:38, Shachar Shemesh wrote: The GPL, by design, is not a contract. As such, you must bring yourself under its influence by wishing to distribute copyrighted work for which the GPL was declared as a license. I'm not lawyer and I might be dead wrong here, but for the best of my knowledge, the GPL is a contract by all accounts. This specific contract states that if you abide by the terms specified in it then, and only then, you are given a license by the copyright which is a party to the contract to distribute the copyrighted work in question. The one thing which is special about this this contract is the fact that for a contract to be in force, one must prove among other things that the parties accept it's terms, hence contracts are usually signed so as to establish that both parties accept the terms. With the GPL, however , this is not needed because only by accepting the terms of the contract and agreeing to be bound by it you can get the license to distribute the copyright work in question. The act of distributing the work implictly denotes acceptance of the terms of the GPL contract. That's right. If you happen not to accept the license, you should follow the local copyright laws. Again: I am not lawyer and I might be dead wrong, but this is what I think I know about this stuff. Gilad. behdad, = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mount --bind, idebus questions
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Hi all, Hi, I have recently bought a new hardisk. aside from the vast new spaces now available to me, I have a couple of questions. 1. I partitioned the disk to segments (copied my old system over instead of reinstalling - worked great). /usr resides on a different partition. I have a couple of programs that install into /opt, however. I did not want them to share filesystem with /, and I did not want to open a new partition for them (space fragmentation, and never mind that I have over 40GB of unpartitioned space in case I need them, and that I have data that used to fit into an 11GB partition now sitting on 60GB). What I did was to create a directory called /usr/opt, and mount it with mount --bind /usr/opt /opt. Now here's the question - is there a way to put such mapping into /etc/fstab, so it will be performed automatically on each boot? I know I can do that with boot scripts, but I rather have all partition information into one place. Is there possibly a way to use some mount option instead of a mount command line option? Why not simply ln -s /usr/opt /opt? Don't know about your question. 2. On boot, I get the following message: Assuming 33MHz bus. Use idebus=xx to override. I traced it to the ide-core module. As my new disk is ATA133 (my IDE is only 100, but let's not be petty), I want to use full speed. I tried putting options ide-core idebus=100 into /etc/modules.conf. I can confirm that the initrd image has that option, but I still get this line during boot. I tried passing it as a kernel command (append in lilo.conf) - no juice. I have passed idebus=66 to kernel and it worked out. Try 66 first. These are two questions, which are pretty unrelated - should I at all be worried about this? It seems to me like ide-core uses some temporary driver until the proper driver, piix, is loaded. Is this message still relevant when my system is up? Is there any way for me to confirm this? Perhaps hdparm benchmarks? Oh I couldn't confirm this myself too. The second question is how do I pass this parameter. Even if it doesn't matter, it annoys me when something tells me use this paramter, and goes on to say so even after I have /used/ that parameter. And here is one last question, to make my couple of questions a nice round 4 - how do I check which PIO mode my IDE is using? hdparm has an option to set PIO, but not to check what it is. I tried using hdparm's benchmark with the various settings, and could spot no difference whats o' ever. Still... Actually it should not use PIO, in favor of DMA. BTW hdparm -I would show the supported modes, with a start character showing the enabled mode. Shachar behdad, who is going to study after finishing this mail. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [emacs-bidi] UTR#9 - Unicode BiDi (was Re: OpenOffice BiDi kudos) (fwd)
behdad,
who is going to study after finishing this mail.
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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 15:54:31 -0400
From: Eli Zaretskii [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Behdad Esfahbod [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [emacs-bidi] UTR#9 - Unicode BiDi (was Re: OpenOffice BiDi
kudos)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 04:15:13 -0400
From: Behdad Esfahbod [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Is it true that your implementation of Unicode Bidi algorithm
does not follow the UTR#9, with respect to handligh dash? Just
wanted to make sure this is not true, otherwise, please consider
following the standard.
Handa-san is currently trying to plug the sequential implementation of
UAX#9 that I wrote into the Emacs display code. The code I wrote
renders H-5 as -5H, as per UAX#9. One needs to type H-{RLM}5
to get the H-5 result that most Hebrew users want.
I guess we will need to get used to type RLM and LRM in similar
situations, since we must be UAX#9 compliant, and since UAX#9 results
in such madness in quite a few cases like this, sigh.
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Re: Search engine for http://mirror.hamakor.org.il/archives/linux-il ?
On Tue, 7 Oct 2003, Shaul Karl wrote: On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 10:27:37PM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote: As a totally experimental service, http://mirror.hamakor.org.il/archives/linux-il now has a web archive running of Linux-IL. What about searching? In addition, the archive at plasma-gate seems to be running again. Do we now have 2 archives? I believe that two are better then one. Why don't you simply register the list on mail-archive.com or other free services? behdad, which is going to study after finishing this mail. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: linux support for following webcams
The only place I can recommend you to check: The ov511 driver in the kernel, and it's documentation, and the web page, that can be reached from documentation. b On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Arie Folger wrote: are the following webcams supported under linux? Note that I googled but found nothing on these models: * Logitech QuickCam Express USB W32 * Labtec Webcam USB I have no idea what kind of chipsets are in there, and do not have the option of trying before I buy. Thanks for the tips, Arie = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X won't give high-res with high colors
Hi, It pretty much seems to be incorrect H and V frequencies detected.check XF86Config with manuals. Also check modes in XF86Config. behdad On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Hi all, Sorry that this post is a little scarce on details. I will fill them in when I have them again. I am installing Linux on my sister's laptop (a Dell centrino, don't have exact model). I went for RH9 because that's what would be fastest to install. It correctly detected almost everything (sound, display adapter). At least, I think it did. Everything seemed to work. However, when X is set up for 16 or 32 bits/pixel, the highest resolution available seem to be 640x480. Looking at the X startup log, I can see that the system detects resolutions of up to 1280x1024, but discards them all as non-matching (I did not manage to understand what it was they did not match). When I set the color depth to 8, X has no problem starting at 1024x768 (the highest the LCD will support). Can anyone think of a reason without the X log available, and also think of what I may need to look at besides the X log? I don't have high availability of the laptop, so I'm trying to pick up all the information I might need in advance. Shachar -- Behdad Esfahbod 27 Shahrivar 1382, 2003 Sep 18 http://behdad.org/ [Finger for Geek Code] If you do a job too well, you'll get stuck with it. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Digital Cameras and Linux
Hi, Just my two cents: forget about serial and stick to USB. Many cameras I have heard people use with linux look just like a USB storage to the OS. So what you need is to load usb-storage module and mount. be On 11 Sep 2003, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Hi, I am considering getting a digital camera (for amateur, not professional, use), with the obvious requirement that it will interact flawlessly with my Linux computers (desktops and laptop). I've searched TFW, found some general info etc, not much about specific models. Could not try anything, obviously. I would like additional input based on knowledge and personal experience. * How satisfied are you with your digital camera? Feature set, interface, Linux support, ease of setup (recompiling a current stable RH or vanilla kernel with the right modules is considered acceptable), reliability, etc. * What is your impression on Linux supporting software? What works? What works best? Gphoto2? Do any cameras come with Linux software now? Is it simple enough to mount the camera over USB (say) and copy the files? Does it even work that way (I got the impression it does). * USB or serial? ;-) * What non-obvious questions to ask? What features are essential/useful for Linux interoperability? * What to avoid? * Any HOWTOs or tips? [I found some, e.g. http://home.gagme.com/greg/linux/usbcamera.php, but the list of models known to work is pathetic, even though it's current] Info relevant to makes and models available in Israel and/or BG Duty-free is especially welcome. Thanks, -- Behdad Esfahbod 20 Shahrivar 1382, 2003 Sep 11 http://behdad.org/ [Finger for Geek Code] If you do a job too well, you'll get stuck with it. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hamakor bumper stickers
On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Shachar Shemesh wrote: I wouldn't mind sending you a sticker, except: Thanks for the offer. A. I'm damned if I know how This important one is solved once for ever, as I'm in Canada from now on. B. You won't understand the actual sticker any better True. But there are lots of Hebrew people here around. C. Will you actuall put it any place? I would stick it in my office if I had one. But actually I'm not going to bother you. I will, however, put up the actual bitmap on the site. Shachar Thanks, behdad Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Hi, I know that this is an English list, so I reserve the right for myself to ask you for a tranlation :D. (out of curisity). Thanks, behdad On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: can it be scanned and shown at hamakor web site, or alternatively - the original file (an image, i guess) which was used to make the sticker Oren Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: Hamakor bumper stickers On Wednesday 03 September 2003 01:02, Alexander Maryanovsky wrote: Hi everyone, I just saw someone on the road with a Hofshi ze yoter me hinam hamakor bumper sticker (at least it had the logo) in an SGI car. I tried to catch him and ask on one of the intersections, but all the lights were green and so we eventually parted on the Rishon interchange. So who was it, and more importantly, where can I get these (or other) bumper stickers? That would be me. :-) I have a bunch of those stickers right here. Send me your snail mail address and I'll send you one. Gilad -- Behdad Esfahbod 13 Shahrivar 1382, 2003 Sep 4 http://behdad.org/ [Finger for Geek Code] If you do a job too well, you'll get stuck with it. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hamakor bumper stickers
Hi, I know that this is an English list, so I reserve the right for myself to ask you for a tranlation :D. (out of curisity). Thanks, behdad On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: can it be scanned and shown at hamakor web site, or alternatively - the original file (an image, i guess) which was used to make the sticker Oren Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: Hamakor bumper stickers On Wednesday 03 September 2003 01:02, Alexander Maryanovsky wrote: Hi everyone, I just saw someone on the road with a Hofshi ze yoter me hinam hamakor bumper sticker (at least it had the logo) in an SGI car. I tried to catch him and ask on one of the intersections, but all the lights were green and so we eventually parted on the Rishon interchange. So who was it, and more importantly, where can I get these (or other) bumper stickers? That would be me. :-) I have a bunch of those stickers right here. Send me your snail mail address and I'll send you one. Gilad -- Behdad Esfahbod 13 Shahrivar 1382, 2003 Sep 4 http://behdad.org/ [Finger for Geek Code] If you do a job too well, you'll get stuck with it. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to stop a process?
Hi Muli,
Thanks for the code I should have myself wrote. I found that for
whatever reason I don't know, killall -SIGSTOP and killall
-SIGCONT both send SIGTERM! Using killall -19 and killall -18
fixed the problem.
Behdad
On Tue, 19 Aug 2003, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote:
On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 02:20:49PM +0430, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
Hi,
How to stop a process from a shell script (or C code)? I mean
like pushing Ctrl+Z. When I try kill -STOP pid, the process
terminates. 'strace bash' didn't helped. It makes lots of
sigaction calls that I can't understand what they are.
Hi Behdad,
Take a look at this program:
#include stdio.h
#include unistd.h
#include stdlib.h
#define __USE_GNU
#include signal.h
void sighandler(int signum)
{
printf(caught %d\n, signum);
}
int main(void)
{
int i;
sighandler_t ret;
printf(setting sighandlers: \n);
for (i = 1; i SIGRTMIN; ++i) {
if ((ret = signal(i, sighandler)) == SIG_ERR) {
/* some signals can't be caught */
if (i == SIGKILL || i == SIGSTOP)
continue;
printf(signal(%d) failed\n, i);
exit(EXIT_FAILURE);
}
}
printf(sighandlers set.\n);
while(1)
getchar();
return 0;
}
Compile and run it, you'll see that when you hit C-z, the shell
actually sends SIGTSTP (20), not SIGSTOP(19).
Moreover, how to start such a stopped process? 'kill -CONT pid'
does not work on a process stopped by (the same) bash. BTW,
strace showed that bash itself do call a kill -CONT.
kill -CONT should work, I don't know why it doesn't. Perhaps it does,
but you are confusing the shell's job control facilities, which still
show it as stopped? it should be pretty easy to check.
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How to stop a process?
Hi, How to stop a process from a shell script (or C code)? I mean like pushing Ctrl+Z. When I try kill -STOP pid, the process terminates. 'strace bash' didn't helped. It makes lots of sigaction calls that I can't understand what they are. Moreover, how to start such a stopped process? 'kill -CONT pid' does not work on a process stopped by (the same) bash. BTW, strace showed that bash itself do call a kill -CONT. behdad -- Behdad Esfahbod 28 Mordad 1382, 2003 Aug 19 http://behdad.org/ [Finger for Geek Code] If you do a job too well, you'll get stuck with it. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Where did KPackage go in RH9 ?
On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Tim Tsahayev wrote: On Thursday 14 August 2003 09:40, Erez Boym wrote: I'v upgraded to RH9 and found out that KPackage is not in there. Found myself going back to rpm -i Where did KPackage go ? Grab kdeadmin SRPM, then extract .spec, and enable kpackage compilation in it. Then you may use rpm -bs and produce a new SRPM. On redhat 9 (and 8), you should use rpmbuild to build rpms (same arguments). -- Behdad Esfahbod 23 Mordad 1382, 2003 Aug 14 http://behdad.org/ [Finger for Geek Code] If you do a job too well, you'll get stuck with it. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Key Signing] Problems Downloading Some of the Keys
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Orna Agmon wrote: On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Shlomi Fish wrote: BTW, how does GnuPG know how to generate a unique key ID? I thought the server assigned it a key ID out of its key pool. Surely, if any GPG program generates key IDs independetly there will be some collision between two specific keys? The KEY ID cannot be unique. It can be well distributed, such thatkeys that vary a little have a very different KEY ID, but since it holds a lot less information than the actual key, there is no way of it being uniqe. Bird house principle (? - SHOVACH YONIM). Pigeon hole principle (ASLE LAANE KABOOTARI). Orna. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Behdad Esfahbod 11 Mordad 1382, 2003 Aug 2 http://behdad.org/ [Finger for Geek Code] If you do a job too well, you'll get stuck with it. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: something to print
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003, Orna Agmon wrote: On Sat, 26 Jul 2003, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Orna Agmon wrote: As for origin countries- there are much more people from out of US then I expected, though the majority is indeed from the US. I have met in OLS people from Norwey, France, Serbia, Iran (Behdad is here). Ask him how to pronounce his name. He has the Arabic writing on his site, but it doesn't help me much. Shachar Just like he writes it: Estahbod (and when he says it, it seems to me it rhymes with MeAshdod (from ashdod). EsFahbod. And what I found from Orna and Muli was that Shachar pronounces the ch as in Dutch. Moreover I met someone from Tel-Aviv Univ. today that writes his name Shakhar, so well understood. -- Behdad Esfahbod 9 Mordad 1382, 2003 Jul 31 http://behdad.org/ [Finger for Geek Code] If you do a job too well, you'll get stuck with it. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Python bindings for fribidi (log to vis heb for PDF creation)
Hi, I recommend you use swig to do that. On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, Meir Kriheli wrote: Hi, I need to convert logical heb to visual (to generate Hebrew PDFs with reportlab). There's log2vis ( http://www.zope.org/Members/itamar/log2vis ), but it needs the ICU lib as well, and it's written for old version of python (1.6) and looks unmaintained, doesn't follow current installation standarts and couldn't get it to compile. Fribidi should provide a good solution, but couldn't find python bindings to it. If not existant, guess I can write one. The preferred solution would be to keep logical layout, but couldn't find a tool able to handle dynamic creation of PDFs using logical hebrew, any recommendations/solutions ? 10x -- Behdad Esfahbod 7 Mordad 1382, 2003 Jul 29 http://behdad.org/ [Finger for Geek Code] If you do a job too well, you'll get stuck with it. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE Opens a URL using Galeon instead of Konqueror
Look for htmlview. On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Shlomi Fish wrote: Hi! I'm using Mandrake 9.1 with all the updates. I recently installed balsa and since then KDE opens a URL (when invoked from the Run command dialog) using Galeon instead of Konqueror. I want to change it back to Konqueror, but don't know how. Help would be very much appreciated. Regards, Shlomi Fish -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ There's no point in keeping an idea to yourself since there's a 10 to 1 chance that somebody already has it and will share it before you. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Behdad Esfahbod 6 Mordad 1382, 2003 Jul 28 http://behdad.org/ [Finger for Geek Code] If you do a job too well, you'll get stuck with it. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE Opens a URL using Galeon instead of Konqueror
On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Shlomi Fish wrote: On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Look for htmlview. Where? What is it? A string? A file? On redhat and many other systems it's a shell scripts that decides what browser to call. Regards, Shlomi Fish On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Shlomi Fish wrote: Hi! I'm using Mandrake 9.1 with all the updates. I recently installed balsa and since then KDE opens a URL (when invoked from the Run command dialog) using Galeon insteadof Konqueror. I want to change it back to Konqueror, but don't know how. Help would be very much appreciated. Regards, Shlomi Fish -- Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ There's no point in keeping an idea to yourself since there's a 10 to 1 chance that somebody already has it and will share it before you. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Behdad Esfahbod 6 Mordad 1382, 2003 Jul 28 http://behdad.org/ [Finger for Geek Code] If you do a job too well, you'll get stuck with it. -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ There's no point in keeping an idea to yourself since there's a 10 to 1 chance that somebody already has it and will share it before you. -- Behdad Esfahbod 6 Mordad 1382, 2003 Jul 28 http://behdad.org/ [Finger for Geek Code] If you do a job too well, you'll get stuck with it. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi all, I'm back again, Some silly question: I have compiled and set 2.6.0-test1-ac3 kernel on my laptop. So now I get suspicious hard disk activity, every same 10 seconds. I had the same problem when I first formatted a partition ext3 under 2.4 around two o three years ago, which get solved after a kernel update from redhat. Any ideas? Later, Behdad -- Behdad Esfahbod 6 Mordad 1382, 2003 Jul 28 http://behdad.org/ [Finger for Geek Code] If you do a job too well, you'll get stuck with it. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BiDi directionality control for Mozilla
Hi, I don't like the idea of RLE..PDF to force paragraph direction, and it is WRONG, the Unicode BiDi Algorithm is so that puttinjg a RLE at the beginning does not set the paragraph direction to right to left, because the RLE and LRE marks are not strong characters, so the only and logical way to do this is to put a RLM. Also many implementations does not support explicit marks yet. behdad On Sat, 31 Aug 2002, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Sat, 31 Aug 2002, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Tzafrir Cohen wrote: What about text messages? Is it possible to force directionality by beggning a document/paragraph with RLM/LRM ? Is it wise? Probably not work. This works only with editors that use the BiDi algorithm to select direction. Usually what would happen, though, is that most apps would force LTR direction on the paragraph. The way to deal with that is to add a RLE at the begining (and if you feel generous, a PDF at the end). What about the beginning of the document? I am not familiar with any references in the Unicode standard (or elsewhere) to a document direction. The Unicode standard does specify, rather explicitely, that each paragraph is rendered on it's own. It is not impossible that some program or another does regard that, but I will have to see it to comment. Actually I try to always begin my Hebrew messages with a Hebrew greeting to create such an effect. And do you know of a program that is affected. One more thing to note is that RLM, LRM, LRE, PDF and all of the rest don't exist in any codepage that I know. They only exist in Unicode code pages (UTF-8, UTF-16, UTF-7, etc. etc. etc). RLM and LRM are also part of cp1255 . News to me. What's their value? Are RLE and PDF also there? Shachar Ivrix-discuss list. See http://ivrix.org.il. To unsubscribe, please send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with only the following line in the message body (NOT SUBJECT!): unsubscribe ivrix-discuss -- Behdad Esfahbod 10 Shahrivar 1381, 2002 Sep 1 http://behdad.org/ [Finger for Geek Code] #define is_persian_leap(y) y)-474)%2820+2820)%2820*31%12831) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Anyone attending TUG 2002, India?
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Re: GNU webpage trans.
Hi, Send them to Luis Miguel Arteaga [EMAIL PROTECTED]. On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, Eliran wrote: Hello ! I have made a proto-type translation of GNU's website, here: http://rootshell.be/~eg/hegnu/home.he.html what to do with it next ? I have tried to sent it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] but there were no responses. ? -- a href=http://www.rootshell.be/~eg;Eliran G./a = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Behdad Esfahbod 22 Tir 1381, 2002 Jul 13 http://behdad.org/ [Finger for Geek Code] Live Free or Die. -- The UNIX System Home Page = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dynamically linking with a Unix library - or not
On 18 Jun 2002, Alexandre Julliard wrote: Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am afraid that the consequence of B will be that no packager in his right mind will use that option. As that works in direct contradiction to the reason I entered the WINE project to begin with, I am trying to opt for a better solution. I'm seeing two possible solutions to this problem: A. If Fribidi was present during compile, check for its existance during run time. If not present, don't enable the run time option. or B. Copy (port?) Fribidi into the WINE code. It's LGPL, so the license does allow that. I'd strongly suggest doing B. We need 16-bit Unicode chars anyway so you probably can't use the standard Fribidi. And this way we can share the Unicode tables with the rest of our code instead of duplicating a whole lot of it. All you really need from Fribidi is the algorithms, and these are not going to change often anyway so copying them into Wine shouldn't be too bad. Your are quite right, Fribidi's main algorithms are not going to change anymore, the things I'm playing with these days are all interface and other side stuff (BTW if you want arabic joining too, things become a little different). The fribidi unicode tables (for just BMP = 16bit) takes something between 2k and 8k (space vs. speed configurable), so don't worry about that too. -- Behdad Esfahbod 29 Khordad 1381, 2002 Jun 19 http://behdad.org/ [Finger for Geek Code] To be who one is, is not to be someone else. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dynamically linking with a Unix library - or not
Hi, On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, Shachar Shemesh wrote: [snip] A. If Fribidi was present during compile, check for its existance during run time. If not present, don't enable the run time option. or B. Copy (port?) Fribidi into the WINE code. It's LGPL, so the license does allow that. C. If Fribidi was present during compile, link it statically, so that there will be no dependency on fribidi for WINE package. The consequence of B and C is that WINE will not use the latest fribidi on machine. But that may be right, since I wonder if you are going to convert UTF32-UTF16 all way. You need a 16bit fribidi, means a somehow self-taylored version, so go with B and install a 16bit fribidi on your compile machine, and build WINE. No license problem, and I will let you know of fribidi new releases ;-). The consequence of B is that I will need to keep an eye on Fribidi, and keep it up to date whenever something changes there. I am very reluctant to do so. I would much rather go for the A solution. The problem is that I know how to do this in Windows, but not in Linux. Any help anyone can offer me? Shachar -- Behdad Esfahbod 28 Khordad 1381, 2002 Jun 18 http://behdad.org/ [Finger for Geek Code] Today is a good day for information-gathering. Read someone else's mail file. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Call for arms
On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Not according to the character types it announces, and not according to some people's (Mati from IBM, for one) experience. I have positive confirmation that the character types they are publishing are 2.0 complient (even though the standard clearly suggests that 1.0 is the standard they are implementing). Whether we want to allow an algorythm more correct than the one Windows is using is an open question at this stage. Like I said before, I am leaning torwards implementing that as an option. Shachar Ok, but what components do you need? We have enough bidi implementations, and I can back-port fribidi for your needs too. Also from other projects... -- Behdad Esfahbod 26 Khordad 1381, 2002 Jun 16 http://behdad.org/ [Finger for Geek Code] (@-GNU/Linux - //\ Best thing since the invention of the cat v_/_ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Call for arms
On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: I still don't understand why do u need the Unicode 1.0 book and rewriting bidi from scratch while you already GOT from several places bidi implementation, and in QT/GTK-2 case - full unicode implementation - it would be much easier for you to port it to Wine then rewrite it from scratch.. Hetz Because that's not what Windows is doing. The idea behind WINE is to be Windows compatible, and that includes the bugs as well as the features. Shachar But Windows is Unicode-3+ compliant AFAIK. -- Behdad Esfahbod 25 Khordad 1381, 2002 Jun 15 http://behdad.org/ [Finger for Geek Code] George Orwell was an optimist. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: small and extremely annoying question
use dirname and basename output /usr/local/bin and gcc. On Mon, 3 Jun 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What userland tool can derive /usr/local/bin from: `which gcc` that returns: /usr/local/bin/gcc ? TIA -- Miki Shapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unixophilic Software Developer Aladdin Knowledge Systems - Tel: +972-(4)-8811433 ICQ: 3EE853 - God is real... unless declared an integer. *** IMPORTANT ! ** The content of this email and any attachments are confidential and intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender immediately. Do not disclose the content of this message or make copies. This email was scanned by eSafe Mail for viruses, vandals and other malicious content. ** = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Behdad Esfahbod 13 Khordad 1381, 2002 Jun 3 http://behdad.org/ [Finger for Geek Code] I B M U B M We all B M For I B M -- H.A.R.L.I.E. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: official hebrew in Linux-IL mailing lists?
Hi Nadav, To create a fribidi rpm, you need to do 'rpm -tb fribidi-0.10.4.tar.gz' as root, to get the rpm in /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/ or you need to setup some rc files in your user home. There is a nice HOWTO from mandrake which I studied rpms. BTW, let me know of the Local Linux in a Month method too, we really need the persian one ;-). and Yes, fribidi-0.10.4 has been released tonight, update yours. And I'm still waiting for redhat to include it. They have a private copy in pango. sleepy behdad... -- Behdad Esfahbod 30 Ordibehesht 1381, 2002 May 20 http://behdad.org/ [Finger for Geek Code] A more experienced programmer does not make less bugs. He just realizes what went wrong more quickly. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fwd: Kate Part + Bidi - Helpers wanted ;)
Lars recommended this to: to turn off the optimizations, and use qt classes, but he was talking about qtextdraw or somthing like that. On Sat, 13 Apr 2002, Diego Iastrubni wrote: how about just port kate to qtextedit? it will be slower, and will crash on big files. the developers used their own editor for those reasons. (who the hell will edit a 2mb file?) - diego On ùáú, 13 áàôøéì 2002, 01:43, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Kate Part + Bidi - Helpers wanted ;) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 00:11:58 +0200 From: Christoph Cullmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, after talking about bidi with Lars in private mail, I come to these conclusions: 1. won't have the time to do (and not the knowledge too) 2. won't do dynamic word wrap as long as bidi isn't working, as it is wasted time after someone starts to do bidi 3. if somebody (who knows how to handle bidi/wordwrap) would like to help out, I would try to give him each help he needs to implement the stuff in the kate part. For me, missing bidi/word wrap support doesn't hurt much, but as I know many people would like to have it, help would be approciated. cu Christoph -- Behdad Esfahbod 24 Farvardin 1381, 2002 Apr 13 behdad at bamdad dot org [Finger for Geek Code] Linux is like a wigwam: no gates, no windows, and an apache inside... To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: About fribidi PHP
The result will be Unicode compliant. On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Ben-Nes Michael wrote: Hi All I noticed that php added support for fribidi using a function called fribidi_log2vis What will be the benefit if Ill use fribidi_log2vis and not hebrevc/hebrev ? http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.fribidi-log2vis.php also just for curiosity, did any one tried the Mohawk session server ? -- Canaan Surfing Ltd. Internet Service Providers Ben-Nes Michael - Manager Tel: 972-4-6991122 http://sites.canaan.co.il -- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Behdad Esfahbod 27 Esfand 1380, 2002 Mar 18 behdad at bamdad dot org [Finger for Geek Code] Ritchie's Rule: (1) Everything has some value -- if you use the right currency. (2) Paint splashes last longer than the paint job. (3) Search and ye shall find -- but make sure it was lost. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
quota V2 support
Hi It looks that kernel 2.4.16 doesn't support quota V2 on ext2, and it leads to a funny situation : quotacheck creates aquota.user file and quotaon expects quota.user ... Downgrading quota rpm vertion is impossible due to kernel. currently quota-3.01-pre9-0.7.1.rpm is installed. Is it solvable by upgrading the kernel to 2.4.18? Regards, -- Behdad Esfahbod 23 Esfand 1380, 2002 Mar 14 behdad at bamdad dot org [Finger for Geek Code] Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes. -- Edsger W. Dijkstra, computer science professor = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sharing a printer with samba
Hi, It's samba-2.0.10-2 rpm from redhat. In smb.conf, I have these lines related to printer: printcap name = /etc/printcap load printers = yes And I can see the printer from windows machines, also tried to define it separately in smb.conf (as explained in Printing HOWTO) but It didn't worked too. I have set up the printer with printconf tool of redhat, and the ls -l | lpr works fine, so does 'gv' for printing .ps files. Yours, behdad On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Max Kovgan wrote: can you be more specific about your: samba version, smb.conf dump, your general printing configuration ? thanks Max. -=O0~O0=- He took his vorpal sword in hand: Long time the manxome foe he sought - So rested he by the Tumtum tree. And stood awhile in thought. [L.Carrol Jabberwacky] On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Hi, I'm trying to share a HP 1100 Laserjet printer for the Window$ mahcines with samba, but I've not been successful yet, so: 1. As I have found, the printer is shared as a postscript printer, not a laserjet one, right? 2. When I install the remote printer on the win2000 machine and select the driver (1100's driver, or a postscript one), and print a page it simply ignores it, lpstat gives a line like this sometimes: Status: removing job 'cfA966gilas.bamdad.org' - ABORT at 03:11:04.416 What's wrong? 3. There is an option on window$ machines, that the remote machine can automatically download the driver, does samba support something like this? Yours, behdad -- Behdad Esfahbod 30 Bahman 1380, 2002 Feb 19 behdad at bamdad dot org [Finger for Geek Code] Even the best of friends cannot attend each other's funeral. -- Kehlog Albran, The Profit = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Behdad Esfahbod 30 Bahman 1380, 2002 Feb 19 behdad at bamdad dot org [Finger for Geek Code] Yesterday upon the stair I met a man who wasn't there. He wasn't there again today -- I think he's from the CIA. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sharing a printer with samba
Hi, I'm trying to share a HP 1100 Laserjet printer for the Window$ mahcines with samba, but I've not been successful yet, so: 1. As I have found, the printer is shared as a postscript printer, not a laserjet one, right? 2. When I install the remote printer on the win2000 machine and select the driver (1100's driver, or a postscript one), and print a page it simply ignores it, lpstat gives a line like this sometimes: Status: removing job 'cfA966gilas.bamdad.org' - ABORT at 03:11:04.416 What's wrong? 3. There is an option on window$ machines, that the remote machine can automatically download the driver, does samba support something like this? Yours, behdad -- Behdad Esfahbod 30 Bahman 1380, 2002 Feb 19 behdad at bamdad dot org [Finger for Geek Code] Even the best of friends cannot attend each other's funeral. -- Kehlog Albran, The Profit = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
sftp
Try ssh client from http://www.ssh.com/ Has a nice sftp client, and free license for educational, charity and personal recreational/hobby use. -- Behdad Esfahbod 12 Bahman 1380, 2002 Feb 1 behdad at bamdad dot org [Finger for Geek Code] John Coffey...you have been condemned to die in the electric chair by a jury of your peers...sentence imposed by a judge in good standing in this state. Do you have anything to say before sentence is carried out? .. We each owe a death, there are no exceptions, but sometimes, oh God, the Green Mile is so long... = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How important it is to a have shielded Ethernet cables for out of the building usage?
OK, let me say my experience too, weird but real, some times ago in a storm, when a lightning hit 100 meters from my home, the computer hanged, and guess what? the modem was attached to the phone line, but my sound card went out, no physical signs of toasting ;-). On Tue, 29 Jan 2002, Ben-Nes Michael wrote: - Original Message - From: Shaul Karl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 1:38 AM Subject: How important it is to a have shielded Ethernet cables for out of the building usage? Can you express your view on the subject and/or give some online pointers? Suppose I will put a shielded cable and have it go to a wall outlet. Having it tied to the electricity ground (green/yellow wire) is a major pain, which is why I plan to have it connected to the computer chassis by a shielded Ethernet cable _only_ when a PC is actually connected to this wall outlet. Is this a good policy as far as a lightnings are concerned? I think you should go on optic which will give you total defense against lightning and is much more cheaper then loosing computers. I guess youll pay for such cable + - 500 $ - 100mb. As far as I can tell the phone (Bezeq) lines that are going from each apartment to the building's central phone box are unshielded even with old building where Bezeq needs to have them path on the outer walls of the building. Am I right about these cables being unshielded? If yes, what about protecting the phone equipment from lightnings? Phone equipment is much more resilient then Computers that's why lots of my customers loose there modems through the winter, at least those who don't apply my advice to disconnect their modem in storms :) -- Canaan Surfing Ltd. Internet Service Providers Ben-Nes Michael - Manager Tel: 972-4-6991122 http://sites.canaan.co.il -- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Behdad Esfahbod 11 Bahman 1380, 2002 Jan 31 behdad at bamdad dot org [Finger for Geek Code] An empty street, An empty house, A hole inside my heart. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: nice article - good for pushng linux :)
Hi, Arash Zeini, Roozbeh and I are working on KDE 3.0 in FarsiKDE ml (http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/farsikde), we have a meeting in two days, to findout the current problems, let us know of any problems specific to hebrew. Yours, behdad On Tue, 29 Jan 2002, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: On Tuesday 29 January 2002 13:47, Dvir Volk wrote: thanks :-) we'll be doing a big don't be afraid of Linux story soon. but i think it might better to wait until KDE3.0 is released and hebrew support will be optimal. btw, does KDE3.0 really deliver in the hebrew field as promised? Well, almost... As it is now, you can type in hebrew and it will move right to left correctly (maybe a small bug or 2 are still there - didn't test the latest snapshot and QT 3.0.2 should be out any day now).. There is some small work need to be done with KDE itself regarding bidi (to return data from multi line form in the correct encoding, for example), as well as some table fixing which needs to be fixed (Ynet and Nana look ok, but Globes seems totally broken) Unfortunately - the guy who is doing the QT BiDi as well as KDE Bidi is the same (very busy) person - lars. I'll try to nag him a bit later once beta 2 will be out (RPMS/DEBS for beta 2 will be available this monday). Of course - if someone could help with the QT/KDE problems and knows the BiDi algoritm a bit and can land a hand - then please help. Hetz -- Behdad Esfahbod 11 Bahman 1380, 2002 Jan 31 behdad at bamdad dot org [Finger for Geek Code] Any fool can tell the truth, but it requires a man of some sense to know how to lie well. -- Samuel Butler (1835 - 1902) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: E-mail client for Linux
On 26 Jan 2002, Ilya Konstantinov wrote: On Fri, 2002-01-25 at 18:15, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Evolution cannot authenticate me via Secure IMAP too :-(, the IMP web client works fine, but evolution and the imap instance on the remote machine both hang and I have to kill them manually. I'm using IMAP over SSL at this moment (the server side is running Washington University IMAP daemon and stunnel) without any problems in Evolution. The authentication method is 'Password'. What server are you using? Where does it hang? Are you sure you have enough space available on the server? rpm -q imap returns 'imap-2000c-10', this is from RH7.2 rpms, I have no idea about what server is this. It hangs when I want to sync from evolution, and yes, there is enough space as I know (2GB should be enough ;-). -- Behdad Esfahbod 7 Bahman 1380, 2002 Jan 27 behdad at bamdad dot org [Finger for Geek Code] Life is ours, we live it our way. -- Metallica = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: E-mail client for Linux
On Sun, 27 Jan 2002, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Sun, 27 Jan 2002, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: On 26 Jan 2002, Ilya Konstantinov wrote: I'm using IMAP over SSL at this moment (the server side is running Washington University IMAP daemon and stunnel) without any problems in Evolution. The authentication method is 'Password'. What server are you using? Where does it hang? Are you sure you have enough space available on the server? rpm -q imap returns 'imap-2000c-10', this is from RH7.2 rpms, I have no idea about what server is this. That's WU-imapd version 2000c BTW: it supports SSL (and does not require stunnel for that). (Not that I have too many good things to say about WU-imapd) Oops, I forgot to say, I use imaps on remote machine, and asked evolution to use ssl, it connects to the imaps port, an imapd clone runs on the remote machine, then both do not respond. OK, It seems that its my problem, I try to solve it myself ;-). -- Behdad Esfahbod 7 Bahman 1380, 2002 Jan 27 behdad at bamdad dot org [Finger for Geek Code] Q: Do you know what the death rate around here is? A: One per person. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: E-mail client for Linux
Evolution cannot authenticate me via Secure IMAP too :-(, the IMP web client works fine, but evolution and the imap instance on the remote machine both hang and I have to kill them manually. On 25 Jan 2002, Ilya Konstantinov wrote: On Fri, 2002-01-25 at 08:58, Henry Ficher wrote: I think evolution can do SMTP authentication (I assume you mean to do authentication when sending) - but not sure. Evolution seems to be unable to authenticate properly with mailgw.netvision.net.il (iPlanet). At least in my case. It might be otherwise with other MTA's (sendmail, postfix, qmail, etc.). When trying mailgw.netvision.net.il, Evolution reports NT Login as the only available authentication type. If it doesn't work when you try, please fill in a bug report on http://bugzilla.ximian.com . Mozilla's mailer should also support some SMTP authentication methods. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Behdad Esfahbod 5 Bahman 1380, 2002 Jan 25 behdad at bamdad dot org [Finger for Geek Code] Some of them want to use you, Some of them want to be used by you, ..Everybody's looking for something. -- Eurythmics = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
