Re: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux

[Aharon Schkolnik]

On Saturday 21 February 2009, Yuval Hager wrote:
> > > > I spent a couple of hours calling Leumi and being transferred from
> > > > one person to  another. Some of them knew nothing about the upgrade.
> > > > Some said everyone was using the same site. One tried to convince me
> > > > that
>
> Here's the info as published by the bank itself:
> http://www.leumi.co.il/Leumi/ExternalArticle/1,6069,171561,00.html
>
> --y

Thanks.

Looks like they are getting ready to move me over to the new site:
This morning I had the new site, and then once again a little while ago. Now, 
for some reason, I seem to be back to the old one. I hope they'll get it all 
straight very soon.

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Re: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux

[Yuval Hager]

> > > I spent a couple of hours calling Leumi and being transferred from one
> > > person to  another. Some of them knew nothing about the upgrade. Some
> > > said everyone was using the same site. One tried to convince me that

Here's the info as published by the bank itself: 
http://www.leumi.co.il/Leumi/ExternalArticle/1,6069,171561,00.html

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Re: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux

[Gilboa Davara]

On Wed, 2009-02-18 at 15:18 +0200, Oren Held wrote:
> On Wednesday 18 February 2009 14:39:32 Gilboa Davara wrote:
> > On Tue, 2009-02-17 at 17:36 +0200, Oren Held wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 17 February 2009 15:00:29 Dotan Cohen wrote:
> > > > > I'm not that excited.
> > > > > But it's a start.
> > > > >
> > > > > Leumi-card site still doesn't work. (Though they do detect that you
> > > > > are using Firefox and send you to download IE-Tab plugin)
> > > >
> > > > Gilboa, did you write to them and let them know that it is not viable
> > > > for Linux users?
> > >
> > > I wrote two months ago, here's their reply:
> > > http://israeliweb.blogli.co.il/archives/4
> > >
> > >  - Oren
> >
> > Time to bug them again.
> > What's their email address?
> 
> They have no email address. I snail-mailed them, to the address mentioned in 
> the URL above. (Leumi Card, Ben Gurion 11, Bene-Berak).
> Maybe it might be good that you provide them that URL in your letter, to 
> remind them about their firefox-compatibility announcement.
> 
>  - Oren

I'll do the same.

- Gilboa


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Re: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux

[Gilboa Davara]

On Wed, 2009-02-18 at 22:49 +0200, Yuval Hager wrote:
> On Tuesday 17 February 2009, Gilboa Davara wrote:
> > On Thu, 2009-02-12 at 01:07 +0200, guy keren wrote:
> > > Gilboa Davara wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 2009-02-11 at 13:27 +0200, Yuval Hager wrote:
> > > >> I was happily amazed to find out that the new revamped site of Bank
> > > >> Leumi fully works using Opera on Linux. I also tested FF, and it seems
> > > >> to work fine too (including viewing cheques images, graphs etc.).
> > > >>
> > > >> So long IE in Crossover, and thanks for all the sites :)
> > > >>
> > > >> --yuval
> > > >
> > > > Yey!
> > > >
> > > > I must have asked them about 10,000 times and almost gave up hope.
> > > > Now I can finally remove ies4linux!
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the update.
> > > > - Gilboa
> > >
> > > don't be so excited. the only part that i cared about was the online
> > > trading of stocks, bonds and friends - and this part still does not work.
> >
> > I'm not that excited.
> > But it's a start.
> >
> > Leumi-card site still doesn't work. (Though they do detect that you are
> > using Firefox and send you to download IE-Tab plugin)
> >
> 
> Have you tried getting card usage reports from the leumi site? IIRC, It 
> worked 
> well enough (using Opera though).
> 

Card usage @Leumi works just fine.

- Gilboa



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Re: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux

[Aharon Schkolnik]

On Wednesday 18 February 2009, Yuval Hager wrote:
> On Wednesday 18 February 2009, Aharon Schkolnik wrote:
> > On Thursday 12 February 2009, Yuval Hager wrote:
> > > On Thursday 12 February 2009, Aharon Schkolnik wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday 11 February 2009, Yuval Hager wrote:
> > > > > I was happily amazed to find out that the new revamped site of Bank
> > > > > Leumi fully works using Opera on Linux. I also tested FF, and it
> > > > > seems to work fine too (including viewing cheques images, graphs
> > > > > etc.).
> > > >
> > > > Definately does NOT work for me. What URL are you using to login ? To
> > > > what URL are you sent when you try to view your account information ?
> > > > Could it have anything to do with the fact that my account is in
> > > > HaYashir HaRishon ?
> > >
> > > I have no idea. I am not sure everyone got the new site. The simplest
> > > thing is to call them and ask them to upgrade you. You will notice the
> > > upgrade, as it looks much better and there's a 'we've upgraded the
> > > site' welcome message.
> > >
> > > --y
> >
> > I spent a couple of hours calling Leumi and being transferred from one
> > person to  another. Some of them knew nothing about the upgrade. Some
> > said everyone was using the same site. One tried to convince me that the
> > upgrade was for employees only. The closest I came was with one who said
> > not everyone has been upgraded, but that I'd just have to wait my turn -
> > they couldn't upgrade me before my turn. They were supposed to check and
> > call me back, but 24 hours have passed, and I haven't heard from them. I
> > guess I'll just have to wait.   :-(
>
> If your branch is anywhere between Hadera and Gedera, call them (not the
> main call center) and ask them to be moved to a Premium account. I am
> guessing that should do the trick.
>
> --y

My "branch" is HaYashir HaRishon. I tried calling them - no luck (see above).


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Re: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux

[Dotan Cohen]

> They have no email address. I snail-mailed them, to the address mentioned in
> the URL above. (Leumi Card, Ben Gurion 11, Bene-Berak).
> Maybe it might be good that you provide them that URL in your letter, to
> remind them about their firefox-compatibility announcement.
>

Thank you, I will write to them as well.

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Re: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux

[Yuval Hager]

On Tuesday 17 February 2009, Gilboa Davara wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-02-12 at 01:07 +0200, guy keren wrote:
> > Gilboa Davara wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2009-02-11 at 13:27 +0200, Yuval Hager wrote:
> > >> I was happily amazed to find out that the new revamped site of Bank
> > >> Leumi fully works using Opera on Linux. I also tested FF, and it seems
> > >> to work fine too (including viewing cheques images, graphs etc.).
> > >>
> > >> So long IE in Crossover, and thanks for all the sites :)
> > >>
> > >> --yuval
> > >
> > > Yey!
> > >
> > > I must have asked them about 10,000 times and almost gave up hope.
> > > Now I can finally remove ies4linux!
> > >
> > > Thanks for the update.
> > > - Gilboa
> >
> > don't be so excited. the only part that i cared about was the online
> > trading of stocks, bonds and friends - and this part still does not work.
>
> I'm not that excited.
> But it's a start.
>
> Leumi-card site still doesn't work. (Though they do detect that you are
> using Firefox and send you to download IE-Tab plugin)
>

Have you tried getting card usage reports from the leumi site? IIRC, It worked 
well enough (using Opera though).

--y


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Re: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux

[Yuval Hager]

On Wednesday 18 February 2009, Aharon Schkolnik wrote:
> On Thursday 12 February 2009, Yuval Hager wrote:
> > On Thursday 12 February 2009, Aharon Schkolnik wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 11 February 2009, Yuval Hager wrote:
> > > > I was happily amazed to find out that the new revamped site of Bank
> > > > Leumi fully works using Opera on Linux. I also tested FF, and it
> > > > seems to work fine too (including viewing cheques images, graphs
> > > > etc.).
> > >
> > > Definately does NOT work for me. What URL are you using to login ? To
> > > what URL are you sent when you try to view your account information ?
> > > Could it have anything to do with the fact that my account is in
> > > HaYashir HaRishon ?
> >
> > I have no idea. I am not sure everyone got the new site. The simplest
> > thing is to call them and ask them to upgrade you. You will notice the
> > upgrade, as it looks much better and there's a 'we've upgraded the site'
> > welcome message.
> >
> > --y
>
> I spent a couple of hours calling Leumi and being transferred from one
> person to  another. Some of them knew nothing about the upgrade. Some said
> everyone was using the same site. One tried to convince me that the upgrade
>  was for employees only. The closest I came was with one who said not
> everyone has been upgraded, but that I'd just have to wait my turn - they
> couldn't upgrade me before my turn. They were supposed to check and call me
> back, but 24 hours have passed, and I haven't heard from them. I guess I'll
> just have to wait.   :-(

If your branch is anywhere between Hadera and Gedera, call them (not the main 
call center) and ask them to be moved to a Premium account. I am guessing 
that should do the trick.

--y


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Re: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux

[Oren Held]

On Wednesday 18 February 2009 14:39:32 Gilboa Davara wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-02-17 at 17:36 +0200, Oren Held wrote:
> > On Tuesday 17 February 2009 15:00:29 Dotan Cohen wrote:
> > > > I'm not that excited.
> > > > But it's a start.
> > > >
> > > > Leumi-card site still doesn't work. (Though they do detect that you
> > > > are using Firefox and send you to download IE-Tab plugin)
> > >
> > > Gilboa, did you write to them and let them know that it is not viable
> > > for Linux users?
> >
> > I wrote two months ago, here's their reply:
> > http://israeliweb.blogli.co.il/archives/4
> >
> >  - Oren
>
> Time to bug them again.
> What's their email address?

They have no email address. I snail-mailed them, to the address mentioned in 
the URL above. (Leumi Card, Ben Gurion 11, Bene-Berak).
Maybe it might be good that you provide them that URL in your letter, to 
remind them about their firefox-compatibility announcement.

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Re: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux

[Gilboa Davara]

On Tue, 2009-02-17 at 17:36 +0200, Oren Held wrote:
> On Tuesday 17 February 2009 15:00:29 Dotan Cohen wrote:
> > > I'm not that excited.
> > > But it's a start.
> > >
> > > Leumi-card site still doesn't work. (Though they do detect that you are
> > > using Firefox and send you to download IE-Tab plugin)
> >
> > Gilboa, did you write to them and let them know that it is not viable
> > for Linux users?
> 
> I wrote two months ago, here's their reply:
> http://israeliweb.blogli.co.il/archives/4
> 
>  - Oren

Time to bug them again.
What's their email address?

- Gilboa


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Re: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux

[Aharon Schkolnik]

On Thursday 12 February 2009, Yuval Hager wrote:
> On Thursday 12 February 2009, Aharon Schkolnik wrote:
> > On Wednesday 11 February 2009, Yuval Hager wrote:
> > > I was happily amazed to find out that the new revamped site of Bank
> > > Leumi fully works using Opera on Linux. I also tested FF, and it seems
> > > to work fine too (including viewing cheques images, graphs etc.).
> >
> > Definately does NOT work for me. What URL are you using to login ? To
> > what URL are you sent when you try to view your account information ?
> > Could it have anything to do with the fact that my account is in HaYashir
> > HaRishon ?
>
> I have no idea. I am not sure everyone got the new site. The simplest thing
> is to call them and ask them to upgrade you. You will notice the upgrade,
> as it looks much better and there's a 'we've upgraded the site' welcome
> message.
>
> --y

I spent a couple of hours calling Leumi and being transferred from one person 
to  another. Some of them knew nothing about the upgrade. Some said everyone 
was using the same site. One tried to convince me that the upgrade  was for 
employees only. The closest I came was with one who said not everyone has 
been upgraded, but that I'd just have to wait my turn - they couldn't upgrade 
me before my turn. They were supposed to check and call me back, but 24 hours 
have passed, and I haven't heard from them. I guess I'll just have to 
wait.   :-(


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Re: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux

[Oren Held]

On Tuesday 17 February 2009 15:00:29 Dotan Cohen wrote:
> > I'm not that excited.
> > But it's a start.
> >
> > Leumi-card site still doesn't work. (Though they do detect that you are
> > using Firefox and send you to download IE-Tab plugin)
>
> Gilboa, did you write to them and let them know that it is not viable
> for Linux users?

I wrote two months ago, here's their reply:
http://israeliweb.blogli.co.il/archives/4

 - Oren

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Re: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux

[Gilboa Davara]

On Tue, 2009-02-17 at 15:00 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> > I'm not that excited.
> > But it's a start.
> >
> > Leumi-card site still doesn't work. (Though they do detect that you are
> > using Firefox and send you to download IE-Tab plugin)
> >
> 
> Gilboa, did you write to them and let them know that it is not viable
> for Linux users?
> 

Will do.

- Gilboa


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Re: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux

[Gilboa Davara]

On Thu, 2009-02-12 at 22:19 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> > I think we should send them a really fancy letter with a few dozen
> > signatures, saying thanks for finally fixing it. I'm not cynical. they
> > got "nags" and negative rap from us all the years, they need to get
> > appreciation too.
> >
> > Newspaper reporters and people who bump into FOSS zealots in Ynet
> > talkbacks usually (understandably) see us as a bunch of complaining
> > elitist techno-snobs.  I say we should show our other side and give some
> > kudos once in a while when someone does the RIGHT thing.
> >
> > (In other words, they think we are Hammas, we need to show them we are
> > not even Fatah, maybe Hada"sh at worst :-)
> >
> > Even if it's late and partial, we can send them positive remarks for
> > congratulating them on how far they've come instead of only (or first)
> > complaining about what still needs to be done.
> >
> > So how about if a bunch of us write Leumi some "thank you" notes, or
> > send them a big fancy "Thank you" kind of thing with 30 signatures, so
> > they can frame and hang on their wall, and later we could get companies
> > to get their sites corrected and we better rap in the press. We can even
> > join hands the some computer usability SIG or ISOC, ILA or some adult
> > computer literacy NGO that was helped by this. We should try to try and
> > make it a bigger, more impressive gesture.
> >
> > Is it corny?
> >  - sure, CEOs love corny...
> >
> > Is it a bit kitch and looks a little out of integrity?
> >  - Could be, but the long-term benefits are effective dialogs with the
> >   next businesses that run broken sites.
> >  - Ideally, In time, such endoresment might be actually catch on, and
> >   since Hamakor won't be selling them for kickbacks, companies will
> >   actually have to fix sites to get one :-)
> >
> > Anyone cares to take this further?
> >
> > Ori Idan, are you doing any PR of this kind today?
> >
> > Ira.
> >
> > (and, as if often does, my random sig pulls out a bull's eye :-)
> >
> 
> If you are a Bank Leumi customer, then write to them and tell them
> that you thank them. I myself closed my account in 2001.
> 

I sent them a thank you note.
I'd suggest each and one of us (at least Leumi customers) will do the
same.

- Gilboa



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Re: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux

[Dotan Cohen]

> I'm not that excited.
> But it's a start.
>
> Leumi-card site still doesn't work. (Though they do detect that you are
> using Firefox and send you to download IE-Tab plugin)
>

Gilboa, did you write to them and let them know that it is not viable
for Linux users?

-- 
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Re: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux

[Gilboa Davara]

On Thu, 2009-02-12 at 01:07 +0200, guy keren wrote:
> Gilboa Davara wrote:
> > On Wed, 2009-02-11 at 13:27 +0200, Yuval Hager wrote:
> >> I was happily amazed to find out that the new revamped site of Bank Leumi 
> >> fully works using Opera on Linux. I also tested FF, and it seems to work 
> >> fine 
> >> too (including viewing cheques images, graphs etc.).
> >>
> >> So long IE in Crossover, and thanks for all the sites :)
> >>
> >> --yuval
> > 
> > Yey!
> > 
> > I must have asked them about 10,000 times and almost gave up hope.
> > Now I can finally remove ies4linux!
> > 
> > Thanks for the update.
> > - Gilboa
> 
> don't be so excited. the only part that i cared about was the online 
> trading of stocks, bonds and friends - and this part still does not work.

I'm not that excited.
But it's a start.

Leumi-card site still doesn't work. (Though they do detect that you are
using Firefox and send you to download IE-Tab plugin)

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Re: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux

[Dotan Cohen]

> I think we should send them a really fancy letter with a few dozen
> signatures, saying thanks for finally fixing it. I'm not cynical. they
> got "nags" and negative rap from us all the years, they need to get
> appreciation too.
>
> Newspaper reporters and people who bump into FOSS zealots in Ynet
> talkbacks usually (understandably) see us as a bunch of complaining
> elitist techno-snobs.  I say we should show our other side and give some
> kudos once in a while when someone does the RIGHT thing.
>
> (In other words, they think we are Hammas, we need to show them we are
> not even Fatah, maybe Hada"sh at worst :-)
>
> Even if it's late and partial, we can send them positive remarks for
> congratulating them on how far they've come instead of only (or first)
> complaining about what still needs to be done.
>
> So how about if a bunch of us write Leumi some "thank you" notes, or
> send them a big fancy "Thank you" kind of thing with 30 signatures, so
> they can frame and hang on their wall, and later we could get companies
> to get their sites corrected and we better rap in the press. We can even
> join hands the some computer usability SIG or ISOC, ILA or some adult
> computer literacy NGO that was helped by this. We should try to try and
> make it a bigger, more impressive gesture.
>
> Is it corny?
>  - sure, CEOs love corny...
>
> Is it a bit kitch and looks a little out of integrity?
>  - Could be, but the long-term benefits are effective dialogs with the
>   next businesses that run broken sites.
>  - Ideally, In time, such endoresment might be actually catch on, and
>   since Hamakor won't be selling them for kickbacks, companies will
>   actually have to fix sites to get one :-)
>
> Anyone cares to take this further?
>
> Ori Idan, are you doing any PR of this kind today?
>
> Ira.
>
> (and, as if often does, my random sig pulls out a bull's eye :-)
>

If you are a Bank Leumi customer, then write to them and tell them
that you thank them. I myself closed my account in 2001.

-- 
Dotan Cohen

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http://gibberish.co.il

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Re: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux

[Nadav Har'El]

> From: Yuval Hager 
> Subject: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux
> To: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
> Date: Wednesday, 11 February, 2009, 1:27 PM
> 
> I was happily amazed to find out that the new revamped site of Bank Leumi 
> fully works using Opera on Linux. I also tested FF, and it seems to work fine 
> too (including viewing cheques images, graphs etc.).

Indeed, I just verified this to be true. With firefox, there are still a
bunch of annoying bugs (like buttons that don't work), but all the bugs
I saw so far have workarounds (like other buttons leading you to the same
place). It really seems like the people who designed this site tried to
make it compatible with Firefox, although they probably did not test it as
rigourously as they tested on IE.

I never thought this day would come - I've been waiting for it for around
a decade!

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Re: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux

[Yuval Hager]

On Thursday 12 February 2009, Ira Abramov wrote:
> I think we should send them a really fancy letter with a few dozen
> signatures, saying thanks for finally fixing it. I'm not cynical. they
> got "nags" and negative rap from us all the years, they need to get
> appreciation too

I'm all for it. This can help moving the discussion to positive grounds. I 
believe that things happen better on positive incentives rather negative.

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Re: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux

[Yuval Hager]

On Thursday 12 February 2009, Aharon Schkolnik wrote:
> On Wednesday 11 February 2009, Yuval Hager wrote:
> > I was happily amazed to find out that the new revamped site of Bank Leumi
> > fully works using Opera on Linux. I also tested FF, and it seems to work
> > fine too (including viewing cheques images, graphs etc.).
>
> Definately does NOT work for me. What URL are you using to login ? To what
> URL are you sent when you try to view your account information ? Could it
> have anything to do with the fact that my account is in HaYashir HaRishon ?
>

I have no idea. I am not sure everyone got the new site. The simplest thing is 
to call them and ask them to upgrade you. You will notice the upgrade, as it 
looks much better and there's a 'we've upgraded the site' welcome message.

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Re: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux

[Aharon Schkolnik]

On Wednesday 11 February 2009, Yuval Hager wrote:
> I was happily amazed to find out that the new revamped site of Bank Leumi
> fully works using Opera on Linux. I also tested FF, and it seems to work
> fine too (including viewing cheques images, graphs etc.).

Definately does NOT work for me. What URL are you using to login ? To what URL 
are you sent when you try to view your account information ? Could it have 
anything to do with the fact that my account is in HaYashir HaRishon ?

>
> So long IE in Crossover, and thanks for all the sites :)
>
> --yuval



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Re: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux

[Ira Abramov]

Quoting Ira Abramov, from the post of Thu, 12 Feb:
> 
> > 2. Clalit doesn't work, it's been discussed here on the list only a few 
> > days 
> > ago. Even the "Contact Us" link on the login page fails. (https://e-
> > services.clalit.org.il/login/main.aspx)
> 
> Did I imagine it? I could awear it worked two weeks ago... I'll try
> again.

very strange, this error message is a new one for me :-) the main frame
in that page:

  Redirect Loop

  Firefox has detected that the server is redirecting the request for
  this address in a way that will never complete.

  The browser has stopped trying to retrieve the requested item.  The
  site is redirecting the request in a way that will never complete.

And "write us" opens a new tab to
http://www.clalit.org.il/HE-IL/contactus and I get 404. hmm...

Question: if a website crashes in the middle of the night and there are
no support people to roll in the crash cart, will anyone hear it play
C:\WINNT\Media\Windows 2003 Critical Stop.wav to call the nurse, or does
it wait till morning for the doctors' rounds?

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Re: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux

[Ira Abramov]

Quoting Oren Held, from the post of Thu, 12 Feb:
> (can't send SMS, can't read "perut sichot" on orange-bill). See what they 
> wrote me a few weeks ago: http://israeliweb.blogli.co.il/archives/19

well, I didn't test it thoroughly...

> 2. Clalit doesn't work, it's been discussed here on the list only a few days 
> ago. Even the "Contact Us" link on the login page fails. (https://e-
> services.clalit.org.il/login/main.aspx)

Did I imagine it? I could awear it worked two weeks ago... I'll try
again.

Anyway, the point is my previews reply to the thread.

Nighty night!

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Re: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux

[Ira Abramov]

Quoting Gilboa Davara, from the post of Wed, 11 Feb:
> On Wed, 2009-02-11 at 13:27 +0200, Yuval Hager wrote:
> > I was happily amazed to find out that the new revamped site of Bank Leumi 
> > fully works using Opera on Linux. I also tested FF, and it seems to work 
> > fine 
> > too (including viewing cheques images, graphs etc.).
> > 
> > So long IE in Crossover, and thanks for all the sites :)
> 
> I must have asked them about 10,000 times and almost gave up hope.
> Now I can finally remove ies4linux!

I think we should send them a really fancy letter with a few dozen
signatures, saying thanks for finally fixing it. I'm not cynical. they
got "nags" and negative rap from us all the years, they need to get
appreciation too.

Newspaper reporters and people who bump into FOSS zealots in Ynet
talkbacks usually (understandably) see us as a bunch of complaining
elitist techno-snobs.  I say we should show our other side and give some
kudos once in a while when someone does the RIGHT thing.

(In other words, they think we are Hammas, we need to show them we are
not even Fatah, maybe Hada"sh at worst :-)

Even if it's late and partial, we can send them positive remarks for
congratulating them on how far they've come instead of only (or first)
complaining about what still needs to be done.

So how about if a bunch of us write Leumi some "thank you" notes, or
send them a big fancy "Thank you" kind of thing with 30 signatures, so
they can frame and hang on their wall, and later we could get companies
to get their sites corrected and we better rap in the press. We can even
join hands the some computer usability SIG or ISOC, ILA or some adult
computer literacy NGO that was helped by this. We should try to try and
make it a bigger, more impressive gesture.

Is it corny?
 - sure, CEOs love corny...

Is it a bit kitch and looks a little out of integrity?
 - Could be, but the long-term benefits are effective dialogs with the
   next businesses that run broken sites.
 - Ideally, In time, such endoresment might be actually catch on, and
   since Hamakor won't be selling them for kickbacks, companies will
   actually have to fix sites to get one :-)

Anyone cares to take this further?

Ori Idan, are you doing any PR of this kind today?

Ira.

(and, as if often does, my random sig pulls out a bull's eye :-)

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Re: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux

[guy keren]

Gilboa Davara wrote:

On Wed, 2009-02-11 at 13:27 +0200, Yuval Hager wrote:
I was happily amazed to find out that the new revamped site of Bank Leumi 
fully works using Opera on Linux. I also tested FF, and it seems to work fine 
too (including viewing cheques images, graphs etc.).


So long IE in Crossover, and thanks for all the sites :)

--yuval


Yey!

I must have asked them about 10,000 times and almost gave up hope.
Now I can finally remove ies4linux!

Thanks for the update.
- Gilboa


don't be so excited. the only part that i cared about was the online 
trading of stocks, bonds and friends - and this part still does not work.


you can see the list, but clicking on any of the items gives no result, 
because the popup window does not get opened. furthermore - a long time 
ago, this feature used to work, and you could start placing a sell/buy 
order, but couldn't click on the last OK button. this feature did work 
with IE6 on win98. this feature stopped working even in IE6 a while back 
(before they made the latest interface overhaul) - and now i'm really 
stuck...


so no thanks - i see no improvement with the important things.

they also have the nice feature that every once in a while, the service 
does not get at night, with a cryptic message sating they temporarily 
cannot give the service (and no mention of when this will be fixed, or 
whether this is a simple scheduled downtime, or what).


--guy

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Re: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux

[Oren Held]

On Wednesday 11 February 2009 13:46:46 Ira Abramov wrote:
[]
> but ok. Lately I also saw that Orange and Clalit work well on FF. I
> guess mobile Internet browsers had an impact where Linux hadn't any...
> at least it's fixed! (read - viewable, usable, but probably not
> standards-compliant still)

Things are getting better indeed, but you are exaggerating:
1. Orange sites are far from working on FF, although they're getting closer 
(can't send SMS, can't read "perut sichot" on orange-bill). See what they 
wrote me a few weeks ago: http://israeliweb.blogli.co.il/archives/19
Of course, that's unless something was changed very recently and I'm not up-
to-date.

2. Clalit doesn't work, it's been discussed here on the list only a few days 
ago. Even the "Contact Us" link on the login page fails. (https://e-
services.clalit.org.il/login/main.aspx)

 - Oren


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Re: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux

[Tomer Cohen]

At least!

Can I close bug 147967 in Mozilla?

*Bug 147967*  -
bankleumi.co.il - A valid login to Bank Leumi shows a blank screen -
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147967



2009/2/11 Yuval Hager 

> I was happily amazed to find out that the new revamped site of Bank Leumi
> fully works using Opera on Linux. I also tested FF, and it seems to work
> fine
> too (including viewing cheques images, graphs etc.).
>
> So long IE in Crossover, and thanks for all the sites :)
>
> --yuval
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Re: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux

[Gilboa Davara]

On Wed, 2009-02-11 at 13:27 +0200, Yuval Hager wrote:
> I was happily amazed to find out that the new revamped site of Bank Leumi 
> fully works using Opera on Linux. I also tested FF, and it seems to work fine 
> too (including viewing cheques images, graphs etc.).
> 
> So long IE in Crossover, and thanks for all the sites :)
> 
> --yuval

Yey!

I must have asked them about 10,000 times and almost gave up hope.
Now I can finally remove ies4linux!

Thanks for the update.
- Gilboa



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Re: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux

[Moshe Brace using Yahoo]

Hurray, someone might have told you to change banks Stay Happy
Moshe
--- On Wed, 11/2/09, Yuval Hager  wrote:
From: Yuval Hager 
Subject: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux
To: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
Date: Wednesday, 11 February, 2009, 1:27 PM

I was happily amazed to find out that the new revamped site of Bank Leumi 
fully works using Opera on Linux. I also tested FF, and it seems to work fine 
too (including viewing cheques images, graphs etc.).

So long IE in Crossover, and thanks for all the sites :)

--yuval
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Re: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux

[Ira Abramov]

Quoting Yuval Hager, from the post of Wed, 11 Feb:
> I was happily amazed to find out that the new revamped site of Bank Leumi 
> fully works using Opera on Linux. I also tested FF, and it seems to work fine 
> too (including viewing cheques images, graphs etc.).
> 
> So long IE in Crossover, and thanks for all the sites :)

too late for me, I left them 5-6 years ago (website was only 10-20% of
the reason), though they did leave access open for an older,
undocumented version that still worked with gecko browsers.

my Otzar Hayal account (oddly via the Po'alim's website) is imperfect
but ok. Lately I also saw that Orange and Clalit work well on FF. I
guess mobile Internet browsers had an impact where Linux hadn't any...
at least it's fixed! (read - viewable, usable, but probably not
standards-compliant still)

slowly moving to a better stage in the life of the Israeli web. maybe
IE8 will give the final needed jolt when Israelis start using it in a
year or two...

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