Re: Groupware hosting
On 26/04/07, Danny Lieberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gil You must be kidding. Why in the world would you want a local ISP Run (do not walk) to Google Applications at www.google.com/a You have your own email, calendar and web site for free up to 50 users. I am running two businesses with it and I think it's outstanding. The mail is the familiar gmail UI and you do not get spam - period. The mail and calendar are integrated with none of this ridiculous and difficult to understand knee-jerk reaction to be Exchange compatible. And have Google have the right to do whatever they want with your business e-mail. Maybe you don't care but I know someone who's startup might interest Google and therefore he doesn't even use his Gmail account for anythinge relating to his work (e.g. he has a contract with Microfost. Other than that - I agree that the Google application are fantastic (I like the option to setup a location for an event and have it mapped with Google maps :)... Cheers, --Amos
Re: Groupware hosting
Amos Separate paranoia from privacy. While I am skeptical that Google can afford to make use of privacy information or allow it to leak - if I were working on a startup that threatens search engines - I might also setup a private email system somewhere. FWIW - it is standard operating procedure these days for a customer to insist you use their corporate email. I have a contract with a US corp. and they insist we use their corporate (hosted Exchange) email system It helps them monitor outgoing content for data leakage. Danny danny On 4/26/07, Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 26/04/07, Danny Lieberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gil You must be kidding. Why in the world would you want a local ISP Run (do not walk) to Google Applications at www.google.com/a You have your own email, calendar and web site for free up to 50 users. I am running two businesses with it and I think it's outstanding. The mail is the familiar gmail UI and you do not get spam - period. The mail and calendar are integrated with none of this ridiculous and difficult to understand knee-jerk reaction to be Exchange compatible. And have Google have the right to do whatever they want with your business e-mail. Maybe you don't care but I know someone who's startup might interest Google and therefore he doesn't even use his Gmail account for anythinge relating to his work ( e.g. he has a contract with Microfost. Other than that - I agree that the Google application are fantastic (I like the option to setup a location for an event and have it mapped with Google maps :)... Cheers, --Amos -- Danny Lieberman Software Security Specialists www.software.co.il - Secure your software www.opensolutions.co.il - Reduce operational risk www.controlpolicy.com - Stop data theft www.software.co.il/pta - Download a free copy of the PTA-Practical threat analysis tool Tel Aviv + 972 3 610-9750 US + 1-301-841-7122 Cell + 972 54 447-1114
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Danny Lieberman wrote: FWIW - it is standard operating procedure these days for a customer to insist you use their corporate email. I have a contract with a US corp. and they insist we use their corporate (hosted Exchange) email system It helps them monitor outgoing content for data leakage. wha? What would prevent me from using their hosted exchange for everything other than the actual sending of privileged information? What sort of a security system is that that only works if the attacker is willing to play by the rules? Danny Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting ltd. Have you backed up today's work? http://www.lingnu.com/backup.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Groupware hosting
On 27/04/07, Danny Lieberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amos Separate paranoia from privacy. While I am skeptical that Google can afford to make use of privacy information or allow it to leak - if I were working on a startup that threatens search engines - I might also setup a private email system somewhere. Google is not just a search engine. And it's not about competing with - it could be simply having an idea of a service you can partner with them (or their competition in any of the numerous fields they operate in) which they can simply steal from your e-mail. FWIW - it is standard operating procedure these days for a customer to insist you use their corporate email. I have a contract with a US corp. and they insist we use their corporate (hosted Exchange) email system It helps them monitor outgoing content for data leakage. I'd imagine that the difference is that the host their managed exchange server didn't make them sign on an agreement which said that the host has the right to do ANYTHING with the files they store on that host's servers (including publishing it). Anyway - I've just read their privacy policy again and it looks like they improved it a lot - it now says that they won't access the content of your GMail messages (other than to provide the service) without express permission from you. So that point is apparently mute. --Amos http://www.google.com/mail/help/intl/en-GB/privacy.html
Re: Groupware hosting
Gil You must be kidding. Why in the world would you want a local ISP Run (do not walk) to Google Applications at www.google.com/a You have your own email, calendar and web site for free up to 50 users. I am running two businesses with it and I think it's outstanding. The mail is the familiar gmail UI and you do not get spam - period. The mail and calendar are integrated with none of this ridiculous and difficult to understand knee-jerk reaction to be Exchange compatible. All the best - Danny On 4/21/07, Gil Freund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Is there a local ISP providing groupware (Zimbra, Scalix or OpenXchange) hosting. This is for a small site (5-8) users. Sub 20 users licensing is expensive, and free/GPL version is not appropriate due to the outlook factor. Thanks Gil -- Gil Freund, Systems Analyst --- Sysnet consulting [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.sysnet.co.il voice: +972-54-2035888, Fax: +972-8-9356026 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Danny Lieberman Software Security Specialists www.software.co.il - Secure your software www.opensolutions.co.il - Reduce operational risk www.controlpolicy.com - Stop data theft www.software.co.il/pta - Download a free copy of the PTA-Practical threat analysis tool Tel Aviv + 972 3 610-9750 US + 1-301-841-7122 Cell + 972 54 447-1114
Re: Groupware hosting
On 4/22/07, Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 22/04/07, Gil Freund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/22/07, Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 22/04/07, Gil Freund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: True, however: 1. Scalix is a free (as in beer), there is still HP/Samsung code in it. 2. Scalix has the least feature *least* features? I haven't got around to test it myself but their web site left me with the impression it aims (and achieves) for the goal of providing all the features of Outlook/Exchange (yes, implied joke here about virus infections :), and it's 100% transparent to Outlook users. What sort of features does it lack? Scalix has mail, contact and group scheduling (and Outlook like Ajax client). OX and Egroupware go beyond that: Project management, DMS, Wiki, discussion groups, linking, etc. Zimbra has Zimlets, which can offer similar functions. OK, so just to clarify this - sounds to me like Scalix provides the same functionality as Exchange, isn't it? Correct, ONLY the functionally of exchange. I understand how the other features could be useful for group cooperation, but my main focus is finding a replacement for Exchange that Outlook users can live with (with hope that one day I'll be able to get rid of it in my office). Scalix seems good enough for that. PS - what's linking? Linking a document to a meeting, to a project, to a contact, etc. Thanks. --Amos -- Gil Freund, Systems Analyst --- Sysnet consulting [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.sysnet.co.il voice: +972-54-2035888, Fax: +972-8-9356026 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Quoth Gil Freund: Sub 20 users licensing is expensive, and free/GPL version is not appropriate due to the outlook factor. Scalix provides 25 outlook licenses in the community open edition... -- ---MAV Marc A. Volovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] Swiftouch, LTD +972-544-676764 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Groupware hosting
On 4/21/07, Marc A. Volovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoth Gil Freund: Sub 20 users licensing is expensive, and free/GPL version is not appropriate due to the outlook factor. Scalix provides 25 outlook licenses in the community open edition... True, however: 1. Scalix is a free (as in beer), there is still HP/Samsung code in it. 2. Scalix has the least feature This is probably the way I will go. -- ---MAV Marc A. Volovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] Swiftouch, LTD +972-544-676764 -- Gil Freund, Systems Analyst --- Sysnet consulting [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.sysnet.co.il voice: +972-54-2035888, Fax: +972-8-9356026 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Groupware hosting
On 22/04/07, Gil Freund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: True, however: 1. Scalix is a free (as in beer), there is still HP/Samsung code in it. 2. Scalix has the least feature *least* features? I haven't got around to test it myself but their web site left me with the impression it aims (and achieves) for the goal of providing all the features of Outlook/Exchange (yes, implied joke here about virus infections :), and it's 100% transparent to Outlook users. What sort of features does it lack? --Amos
Re: Groupware hosting
On 4/22/07, Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 22/04/07, Gil Freund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: True, however: 1. Scalix is a free (as in beer), there is still HP/Samsung code in it. 2. Scalix has the least feature *least* features? I haven't got around to test it myself but their web site left me with the impression it aims (and achieves) for the goal of providing all the features of Outlook/Exchange (yes, implied joke here about virus infections :), and it's 100% transparent to Outlook users. What sort of features does it lack? Scalix has mail, contact and group scheduling (and Outlook like Ajax client). OX and Egroupware go beyond that: Project management, DMS, Wiki, discussion groups, linking, etc. Zimbra has Zimlets, which can offer similar functions. --Amos -- Gil Freund, Systems Analyst --- Sysnet consulting [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.sysnet.co.il voice: +972-54-2035888, Fax: +972-8-9356026 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Groupware hosting
On 22/04/07, Gil Freund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/22/07, Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 22/04/07, Gil Freund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: True, however: 1. Scalix is a free (as in beer), there is still HP/Samsung code in it. 2. Scalix has the least feature *least* features? I haven't got around to test it myself but their web site left me with the impression it aims (and achieves) for the goal of providing all the features of Outlook/Exchange (yes, implied joke here about virus infections :), and it's 100% transparent to Outlook users. What sort of features does it lack? Scalix has mail, contact and group scheduling (and Outlook like Ajax client). OX and Egroupware go beyond that: Project management, DMS, Wiki, discussion groups, linking, etc. Zimbra has Zimlets, which can offer similar functions. OK, so just to clarify this - sounds to me like Scalix provides the same functionality as Exchange, isn't it? I understand how the other features could be useful for group cooperation, but my main focus is finding a replacement for Exchange that Outlook users can live with (with hope that one day I'll be able to get rid of it in my office). PS - what's linking? Thanks. --Amos
