linux over win9x

2001-11-28 Thread Ishai Parasol

Hi

Does any one know about a small linux distribution that can be run as an
application on win9x (I don't mean those dists that sits on one of the win
partitions and requiers reboot to start them) ?

thanks,
Ishai.


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Re: linux over win9x

2001-11-28 Thread Max Kovgan

hi there's a big program called VMWare, it allows you to virtually boot
anything bootable, as long as it's bootable enough.
another "solution" is "lin4win" and another solution is simply fool
installation.

what is a purpose of "trying" a very limited version of OS if you want to
try  it ?
another point: if you need something special like compiler or
debugger or another utility/application, there's a full GNU utilities set
for win32 - free of course, and something named cygwin or something like
this.

so don't play this:
"I'd like to try these shoes, and I want them to be very huge and
comfortable from inside and little and compact from outside"
it just doesn't work :-)
simply backup data, repartition and install a full on distribution.

Max.

-=O0~O0=-
   "He took his vorpal sword in hand:
Long time the manxome foe he sought -
So rested he by the Tumtum tree.
And stood awhile in thought."

  [L.Carrol "Jabberwacky"]

On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, Ishai Parasol wrote:

> Hi
>
> Does any one know about a small linux distribution that can be run as an
> application on win9x (I don't mean those dists that sits on one of the win
> partitions and requiers reboot to start them) ?
>
> thanks,
> Ishai.
>
>
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Re: linux over win9x

2001-11-28 Thread ami bizamcher

At 19:57 28/11/01 +0200, you wrote:

"Hi
"
"Does any one know about a small linux distribution that can be run as an
"application on win9x (I don't mean those dists that sits on one of the win
"partitions and requiers reboot to start them) ?
"
"thanks,
"Ishai.
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Ishai hey,

There is Cygwin.
Cygwin is an Unix\Linux environment for using under windows. It can act as 
a shell and with gcc for windows support it can also compile your linux 
tools and programs. I used it once, a long time ago so i  don't remember 
much, but it worked great. I think the only thing that it doesn't run is X, 
but i can be mistaken. (no one is perfect ;)

here is the web site link: http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/

-- Ami Bizamcher.


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RE: linux over win9x

2001-11-28 Thread Tzahi Fadida

hi guys,
You misunderstood this guy. I think you frightend the little fella ;).
Now seriously, he meant that the linux file will be on the fat32 partition.
Check out Phat Linux and other distributions here:
http://www.linux.org/dist/english.html

and phat linux here:
http://www.phatlinux.com/

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At 19:57 28/11/01 +0200, you wrote:

"Hi
"
"Does any one know about a small linux distribution that can be run as an
"application on win9x (I don't mean those dists that sits on one of the win
"partitions and requiers reboot to start them) ?
"
"thanks,
"Ishai.
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Ishai hey,

There is Cygwin.
Cygwin is an Unix\Linux environment for using under windows. It can act as 
a shell and with gcc for windows support it can also compile your linux 
tools and programs. I used it once, a long time ago so i  don't remember 
much, but it worked great. I think the only thing that it doesn't run is X, 
but i can be mistaken. (no one is perfect ;)

here is the web site link: http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/

-- Ami Bizamcher.


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Re: linux over win9x

2001-11-28 Thread Tzafrir Cohen

On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, ami bizamcher wrote:

> At 19:57 28/11/01 +0200, you wrote:
>
> "Hi
> "
> "Does any one know about a small linux distribution that can be run as an
> "application on win9x (I don't mean those dists that sits on one of the win
> "partitions and requiers reboot to start them) ?

> Ishai hey,
>
> There is Cygwin.
> Cygwin is an Unix\Linux environment for using under windows. It can act as
> a shell and with gcc for windows support it can also compile your linux
> tools and programs. I used it once, a long time ago so idon't remember
> much, but it worked great. I think the only thing that it doesn't run is X,
> but i can be mistaken. (no one is perfect ;)

In some ways cygwin is just another posix-compliant system. If you are
used to other unix systems, you may find cygwin very like linux, as it
uses GNU tools as well.

It works quite well. It includes many useful programs: gcc, bash, tcsh,
and most of the other useful command-line utilities.

XFree can be installed seperately (and is a bit of a pain to install). And
you'll also have to install some desktop: either download kde 1.1.2, or
build yourself  one (fvwm and icewm should compile out-of-the-tarball).

Keep in mind that the default win98 console is really bad (slow, lacks a
scrolled buffer, lacks a decent copy-n-paste). Use rxvt instead (it is a
stand-alone when not under X)

>
> here is the web site link: http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/

or http://cygwin.com/

There is also something called LINE (the origin of the name is WINE). I
only saw the site, and nothing more:
http://line.sourceforge.net/

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Re: linux over win9x

2001-11-28 Thread Nadav Har'El

On Wed, Nov 28, 2001, Max Kovgan wrote about "Re: linux over win9x":
> what is a purpose of "trying" a very limited version of OS if you want to
> try  it ?

Well, sometimes it's nice to try out something before you commit to it (with
disk space and time).

For example, after mentioning in a previous post that long ago my favorite
editor was "sam", I decided it's about time I gave Plan 9
(http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/plan9dist/) at try ("sam" is plan 9's official
editor, or at least one of them). But after looking at their homepage, I
decided to postpone it to another time when I'll have more energy - because
it will require downloading tons of stuff, having a clean partition, and
I'll have to boot into plan 9 where in all likelyhood my modem wouldn't work,
and who knows what else isn't supported - and then I can't even log in to
check the web for help...

Does that remind you of anything? Yeah, that's what most Windows users
feel when you suggest to them they should try Linux...


Just giving plan 9 a test drive would have been easier if I could just
run a plan 9 kernel (and other stuff) in a Linux window.
By the way, the even better alternative is logging into someone else's plan
9 machine and running (text) stuff from there - but since I know no such
person, this option is out of the question too.

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RE: linux over win9x

2001-11-28 Thread ami bizamcher

At 21:01 28/11/01 +0200, you wrote:
>hi guys,
>You misunderstood this guy. I think you frightend the little fella ;).
>Now seriously, he meant that the linux file will be on the fat32 partition.

please explain what you mean by: "linux file"
???

>Check out Phat Linux and other distributions here:
>http://www.linux.org/dist/english.html
>
>and phat linux here:
>http://www.phatlinux.com/
>
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>Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 8:40 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: linux over win9x
>
>
>At 19:57 28/11/01 +0200, you wrote:
>
>"Hi
>"
>"Does any one know about a small linux distribution that can be run as an
>"application on win9x (I don't mean those dists that sits on one of the win
>"partitions and requiers reboot to start them) ?
>"
>"thanks,
>"Ishai.
>"
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>
>Ishai hey,
>
>There is Cygwin.
>Cygwin is an Unix\Linux environment for using under windows. It can act as
>a shell and with gcc for windows support it can also compile your linux
>tools and programs. I used it once, a long time ago so i  don't remember
>much, but it worked great. I think the only thing that it doesn't run is X,
>but i can be mistaken. (no one is perfect ;)
>
>here is the web site link: http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/
>
>-- Ami Bizamcher.
>
>
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RE: linux over win9x

2001-11-28 Thread ami bizamcher

At 21:01 28/11/01 +0200, you wrote:
>hi guys,
>You misunderstood this guy. I think you frightend the little fella ;).
>Now seriously, he meant that the linux file will be on the fat32 partition.

please explain what you mean by: "linux file"
???


>Check out Phat Linux and other distributions here:
>http://www.linux.org/dist/english.html
>
>and phat linux here:
>http://www.phatlinux.com/
>
>* - * - *
>Tzahi Fadida
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Fax (+1 Outside the US) 240-597-3213
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>
>
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>Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 8:40 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: linux over win9x
>
>
>At 19:57 28/11/01 +0200, you wrote:
>
>"Hi
>"
>"Does any one know about a small linux distribution that can be run as an
>"application on win9x (I don't mean those dists that sits on one of the win
>"partitions and requiers reboot to start them) ?
>"
>"thanks,
>"Ishai.
>"
>"=
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>
>Ishai hey,
>
>There is Cygwin.
>Cygwin is an Unix\Linux environment for using under windows. It can act as
>a shell and with gcc for windows support it can also compile your linux
>tools and programs. I used it once, a long time ago so i  don't remember
>much, but it worked great. I think the only thing that it doesn't run is X,
>but i can be mistaken. (no one is perfect ;)
>
>here is the web site link: http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/
>
>-- Ami Bizamcher.
>
>
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RE: linux over win9x

2001-11-28 Thread Tzafrir Cohen

On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, ami bizamcher wrote:

> At 21:01 28/11/01 +0200, you wrote:
> >-Original Message-
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of ami bizamcher
> >Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 8:40 PM
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: linux over win9x
> >
> >
> >At 19:57 28/11/01 +0200, ami bizamcher wrote:
> >
> >"Hi
> >"
> >"Does any one know about a small linux distribution that can be run as an
> >"application on win9x (I don't mean those dists that sits on one of the win
> >"partitions and requiers reboot to start them) ?
> >
> >hi guys,
> >You misunderstood this guy. I think you frightend the little fella ;).
> >Now seriously, he meant that the linux file will be on the fat32 partition.
> >Check out Phat Linux and other distributions here:
> >http://www.linux.org/dist/english.html
> >
> >and phat linux here:
> >http://www.phatlinux.com/
>
> please explain what you mean by: "linux file"
> ???

PhatLinux is one of those linux distros that sits on one of the win
partitions and requiers reboot to start it.

-- 
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Fw: linux over win9x

2001-11-28 Thread Meir Michanie




 Ishai, on my homble opinion:

 I founded that installing on VMware is great to test different kind of
 installation where you want to play with different hardware.

 you can run multiple virtuals machines in one PC and save a lot of money.

you can  build all kind of networks, I found vmware as a great solution for
 research.

 after you feel confortable with the new operating system, do the switch.

> - Original Message -
> From: "Max Kovgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Ishai Parasol" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: "Linux - IL Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 8:35 PM
> Subject: Re: linux over win9x
>
>
> > hi there's a big program called VMWare, it allows you to virtually boot
> > anything bootable, as long as it's bootable enough.
> > another "solution" is "lin4win" and another solution is simply fool
> > installation.
> >
> > what is a purpose of "trying" a very limited version of OS if you want
to
> > try  it ?
> > another point: if you need something special like compiler or
> > debugger or another utility/application, there's a full GNU utilities
set
> > for win32 - free of course, and something named cygwin or something like
> > this.
> >
> > so don't play this:
> > "I'd like to try these shoes, and I want them to be very huge and
> > comfortable from inside and little and compact from outside"
> > it just doesn't work :-)
> > simply backup data, repartition and install a full on distribution.
> >
> > Max.
> >
> > -=O0~O0=-
> >"He took his vorpal sword in hand:
> > Long time the manxome foe he sought -
> > So rested he by the Tumtum tree.
> > And stood awhile in thought."
> >
> >   [L.Carrol "Jabberwacky"]
> >
> > On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, Ishai Parasol wrote:
> >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > Does any one know about a small linux distribution that can be run as
an
> > > application on win9x (I don't mean those dists that sits on one of the
> win
> > > partitions and requiers reboot to start them) ?
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > > Ishai.
> > >
> > >
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RE: linux over win9x

2001-11-28 Thread Tzahi Fadida

exactly what tzafrir said. if i am not mistaken its a umsdos or something like that.
I believe the man asked how to run linux without repartitioning.
another solution as you suggested is to use VMware, but i guess he don't want to pay
for something like that if he uses win98 and he can simply boot to linux.

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Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 9:33 PM
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Subject: RE: linux over win9x


At 21:01 28/11/01 +0200, you wrote:
>hi guys,
>You misunderstood this guy. I think you frightend the little fella ;).
>Now seriously, he meant that the linux file will be on the fat32 partition.

please explain what you mean by: "linux file"
???


>Check out Phat Linux and other distributions here:
>http://www.linux.org/dist/english.html
>
>and phat linux here:
>http://www.phatlinux.com/
>
>* - * - *
>Tzahi Fadida
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Fax (+1 Outside the US) 240-597-3213
>* - * - * - * - * - *
>
>
>-Original Message-
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>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of ami bizamcher
>Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 8:40 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: linux over win9x
>
>
>At 19:57 28/11/01 +0200, you wrote:
>
>"Hi
>"
>"Does any one know about a small linux distribution that can be run as an
>"application on win9x (I don't mean those dists that sits on one of the win
>"partitions and requiers reboot to start them) ?
>"
>"thanks,
>"Ishai.
>"
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>
>Ishai hey,
>
>There is Cygwin.
>Cygwin is an Unix\Linux environment for using under windows. It can act as
>a shell and with gcc for windows support it can also compile your linux
>tools and programs. I used it once, a long time ago so i  don't remember
>much, but it worked great. I think the only thing that it doesn't run is X,
>but i can be mistaken. (no one is perfect ;)
>
>here is the web site link: http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/
>
>-- Ami Bizamcher.
>
>
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Re: linux over win9x

2001-11-28 Thread Refael Ackermann

What's this WinLinux?
http://www.winlinux.net/2001/
At 19:57 28/11/2001, you wrote:
Hi
Does any one know about a small linux distribution that can be run as
an
application on win9x (I don't mean those dists that sits on one of the
win
partitions and requiers reboot to start them) ?
thanks,
Ishai.

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Re: linux over win9x

2001-11-28 Thread Dani Arbel

try vmware

On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Refael Ackermann wrote:

> What's this WinLinux?
> http://www.winlinux.net/2001/
>
> At 19:57 28/11/2001, you wrote:
>   Hi
>
>   Does any one know about a small linux distribution that can
>   be run as an
>   application on win9x (I don't mean those dists that sits on
>   one of the win
>   partitions and requiers reboot to start them) ?
>
>   thanks,
>   Ishai.
>
>
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Re: linux over win9x

2001-11-28 Thread Tzafrir Cohen

On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, Dani Arbel wrote:

> > At 19:57 28/11/2001, Ishai Parasol wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > Does any one know about a small linux distribution that can
> > be run as an application on win9x (I don't mean those dists that sits on
> > one of the win partitions and requiers reboot to start them) ?

> try vmware

vmware allows you to run a small win9x on top of linux (or winnt).

There is, however, a "virtual-" software for win9x that can run
linux programs, IIRC. Non-free like vmware, of course. Can anybody give
more details?

-- 
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Re: linux over win9x

2001-11-28 Thread Ishai Parasol


- Original Message - 
From: "Tzafrir Cohen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> 
> PhatLinux is one of those linux distros that sits on one of the win
> partitions and requiers reboot to start it.
> 
 And AFAIK it is not downloadable (give us 25$ and we'll send you a cd)...


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