Linux-Misc Digest #323
Linux-Misc Digest #323, Volume #19Sat, 6 Mar 99 00:13:12 EST
Contents:
Re: Newsreaders and Star Office (Ram Kalapatapu)
Re: Microkernels are an abstraction inversion ("Keith G. Murphy")
Re: Open source MS bad for Linux? ("Mr. Tinkertrain")
Re: Public license question (Christopher Seawood)
Re: Help! Netscape carshes my system (David Kirkpatrick)
Re: Mwave For Linux Project ("matthew.r.pavlovich.1")
Where is psaux.c ? (Regit Young)
Re: Microkernels are an abstraction inversion (Roger Espel Llima)
Re: Public license question (NF Stevens)
Re: One-way Cable Modem (brian moore)
Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing? ("David A. Frantz")
Re: Public license question (Lynn Winebarger)
Re: Public license question (jik-)
Cannot Remove LILO from MBR (Cevher Dogan)
Re: StarOffice anyone?? (Monte Milanuk)
Re: Pentium III Boycott and survey info (mlw)
Re: nn-tk Newsreader (David Magda)
Re: Create a DOS bootdisk in using only Linux (Matthias Benkmann)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ram Kalapatapu)
Subject: Re: Newsreaders and Star Office
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 21:54:13 GMT
On Fri, 05 Mar 1999 13:07:28 GMT, D Brown
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'm new to Linux, but have got everything working (and am very
>pleased with the speed) as I want except for news readers. Three
>questions:
>
>1 When I try to set up the news reader in Star Office I get an error
>message "Connection Failed" when I click on the subscribe tab in the
>news properties. So, I can't get the list of newsgroups. I can't see
>anything in the options for news, mail or internet that may be causing
>this problem. Mail and other news readers are working.
Staroffice is way too bloated for an average desktop machine. Since newsgroups
contain only text -- well ;-) you don't really need a GUI newsreader. slrn is
very fast and supports the mouse and color highlighting. For those
alt.binaries.. you can always use netscape!
>2 Is there an off-line newsreader for linux ?
There are several in the pipeline.. krn, et al. Clucnky at this point of time.
>3 Does anyone know if Virtual Access runs under wine ? If so is it
>32bit or 16bit version.
Agent is known to work well with wine. You might have to get a patch from
last november. Recent releases break agent. I have used 16 bit version
succesfully many months ago. I am not a big fan of agent or any wondows
based newsreader.
>Thanks in advance,
>
>D Brown
>
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From: "Keith G. Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microkernels are an abstraction inversion
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 15:59:07 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mark Harrison wrote:
>
> Stefan Skoglund wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >Mach can easily supports multiple OS at the same time ie it possible
> >to implement OS/360 on an PC for example. Seeing the same machine
> >running UNIX and OS/360 could be real fun.
>
> Nixdorf did this for their IBM-compatible mainframes in the early 1980's.
> It was done in their Dallas office. The project was chartered to produce
> a text processing system. The project leader proposed using an existing
> nicely featured system called "troff". All that was necessary was to
> port some support software (called "unix") to provide an operating
> for the text processor.
>
Perhaps someone would like to expound on the evolutionary relationship
(if any) between troff and 'runoff', later Digital Standard Runoff, that
some of us are familiar with on VAX machines...
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From: "Mr. Tinkertrain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Open source MS bad for Linux?
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 17:20:03 -0500
actually, m$ realeasing the source might be good, because a) how many
out of the 10 million users are actually going to hack the source? b)
the ones who do look at the source and understand the inner workings of
that evil os will be exploiting every single security hole that ever
existed in win95!! it'll be cool, there'll be all these thousands of
more ways to fuck up winblows.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Seawood)
Subject: Re: Public license question
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,gnu.misc.discuss
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 22:35:48 GMT
Barry Margolin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Peter Seebach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: >It doesn't make sense for his control of his work to depend on this either.
:
: He's the one who was purported to be writing a program that's dependent on
: a GPLed library, and was trying to use dynamic linking as a loophole around
If another non-GPL'd library could potentially be used instead of the
GPL'd one, then his work isn't dependent upon it. But what you're saying
is that the mere potential isn't enough. So what if someone provided a
dummy libreadline that contains all of the h
Linux-Misc Digest #324
Linux-Misc Digest #324, Volume #19Sat, 6 Mar 99 01:13:12 EST
Contents:
Re: Public license question (Christopher B. Browne)
Re: Open source MS bad for Linux? (Jerry Lynn Kreps)
Re: Question about ZIP Disks with Linux (Monte Milanuk)
Re: damn bastards (brian moore)
Re: Cannot Remove LILO from MBR (Christopher)
Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing? ("David A. Frantz")
Re: Xwindows too BIG (Mike)
Open source MS bad for Linux? (Dillon Pyron)
Re: Linux VERY slow to boot (Erhard Siegl)
Re: Speed of accessing tousands of files in a directory? (Ken Pizzini)
Re: Help: Newbie doesn't know where to start with GNOME! (jik-)
Re: best offline newsreader? (Richard Steiner)
Re: Public license question (Geoffrey KEATING)
Re: Where is psaux.c ? (Paul Kimoto)
Re: Matrox G200 PCI support Linux?? ("Darrick J. Hartman")
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher B. Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Public license question
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 04:23:16 GMT
On 6 Mar 1999 03:29:14 GMT, Lynn Winebarger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>RMS is wrong about the 'spirit' of the copyright. Copyright was created
>>for the pourpose of inovation...and here is were it really goes away
>>from his ideas...
>>
>>The thought was, that people would be more inclined to come up with new
>>ideas if they held certain ownerships of them. If they cold hold onto
>>these ideas as being thier own and noone elses for a term, they could
>>make money off of thier idea and so they would me more inclined to want
>>to. If you thought you could make a few bucks off of something you
>>thought up in your head, you might want to go through the pain in the
>>ass of actually publishing (or whatever) your new ideamuch less so
>>if you knew someone would just come along with more resources and take
>>it away.
>
>Actually this is incorrect. Copyright covers the particular
>expression of ideas, not the ideas themselves. If I write a book
>about wavelets, I don't own the ideas about wavelets that are contained
>in the book, I own the presentation of those ideas. Someone else can
>present them in their own way.
Strictly speaking? Copyright is about particular expression.
By protecting those particular expressions, it seeks to encourage the
wide dissemination of those particular expressions.
When you look at the way the music industry "taxes" music
distribution, it may feel more like it discourages expression; that
represents imperfection of implementation rather than that the
original idea was not about encouraging dissemination of knowledge.
> Patents are more along the lines of what you're thinking about. But
>even patents don't restrict the expression of the ideas, merely the
>physical implementation of those ideas. Which I think has interesting
>implications for software, where the expression of the idea is directly
>related to its implementation.
It's more clear with patent that the temporary monopoly is intended to
provide temporary control to inventors to encourage invention.
Note that some of the controversy isn't new; back in the days when
steam power was "hot stuff" :-), Isaac Watt had a patent on his
condensor, and rapacious royalty rates had the result that other
engine manufacturers waited for the patent to expire...
(Education never quite ends; I visited the Henry Ford Museum last
week. Lots of relatively propagandic stuff, the Lincoln limo in which
Kennedy was shot, and some really insightful bits things like a
history of early steam power...)
--
Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
-- Henry Spencer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - "What have you contributed to free software today?..."
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From: Jerry Lynn Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Open source MS bad for Linux?
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 17:47:51 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dillon Pyron) writes:
> One of the proposed "remedies" for MicroSoft when they lose (almost
> a given at this point, but let's save the champagne :-) would be to
> force them to "open source" all of their OS products. While it
> sounds great, what I'm afraid it would mean is that instead of one
> version of MS Windows, there would be dozens of implementations, as
> exists with Linux.
Don't forget that Win95 sets on top of DOS and that would have to be
Open Sourced as well.
Also, DOS is a grandchild of Unix, stripped of all it's power and
security.
The problems of keeping the two happily married would exceed their
worth.
Let them die.
Even if they don't, the majority of their users will switch sooner or
later because Linux as stop being a flood and has turned into a Tsunami!
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From: Monte Milanuk <[EMAIL PRO
Linux-Misc Digest #325
Linux-Misc Digest #325, Volume #19Sat, 6 Mar 99 03:13:08 EST
Contents:
Re: undefined symbol: __register_frame_info (Paul Kimoto)
Re: Microkernels are an abstraction inversion (steve mcadams)
Re: egcs 1.1.1 i386.rpm where ? (Micha³ Kuratczyk)
Re: as86: Command not found (Micha³ Kuratczyk)
Linux Install auf Laptop via NFS (Andreas Raum)
Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing? (Johan Kullstam)
Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing? (Johan Kullstam)
Re: OS with a seamless object model (Craig Kelley)
Red Hat 5.2 ugrade problem
Re: Question about ZIP Disks with Linux (Robert Heller)
Upgrading KDE1.1-0.1 to KDE1.1-3 (rhino)
Re: FreeBSD vs LINUX (Christopher Browne)
Re: Directory colours in RedHat 5.2 (kernel)
Re: Adjust time drift? (Bill Unruh)
Re: diald vs. pppd (Bill Unruh)
Re: Disks partitions ("Charles Sullivan")
Deleting inode from ext2fs ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
insmod: unresolved symbols ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Increase Num Procs (Roy Stogner)
Re: Exporting Windows filesystem for Linux... (Sparkzz)
whoops. fdisk and partition numbering woes. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Newsreaders and Star Office (David Brown)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: undefined symbol: __register_frame_info
Date: 6 Mar 1999 00:52:03 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Daniel Kollar wrote:
> I get this error when using imlib applications.
> I.e. gqmpeg, windowmaker:setstyle, ...?
>
> Current configuration:
> imlib-1.9.4
> gtk+-1.2.0
> glib-1.2.0
> gcc-2.7.2.3
This is a symptom of moving binaries between systems with
differently-compiled libraries, e.g., taking a binary compiled
with egcs on a system with egcs-compiled glibc and trying to run
it on a system with gcc-compiled glibc. (Not easy to describe!)
(If this particular situation is yours -- although perhaps other
configuration combinations may cause the __register_frame_info
problem -- you need to ask the supplier of your binary executable
to compile with gcc, or to install an egcs-compiled libc on your
own system. Note that libc is crucial to the functioning of your
system, and replacing it is not for the faint-hearted.)
--
Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (steve mcadams)
Subject: Re: Microkernels are an abstraction inversion
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 05:55:28 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Posted & mailed, snipped, quoted is ">"]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne) wrote:
>OS/400 is pretty different. It looks like it is one of those fabled
>OSes actually written in C++.
Not surprising. Did you realize that IBM had a high-level
system-programming language before C was available, and used it to
write OS/360 in the early/mid '60s? As I heard it, Bell Labs (or
maybe it was ATT) came to IBM and asked to buy it, and IBM decided to
play keepsies and wouldn't release it as a product; C was the result.
At least that's the way I heard the story from the old-timers when I
worked at IBM. I know for a fact that I saw the source code for
OS/360 in about 1968 and much of it was written in that language; it's
still around inside IBM in it's Nth-evolved incarnation.
So when you talk about "fabled" OSes actually written in C++, and when
I remember what they were doing to the Nth-evolved incarnation of
their 30-year old systems programming language when I left the company
5 years ago, it's real hard not to ROTF.
"Always enforce your assumptions." -steve, http://www.codetools.com/showcase
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Micha³ Kuratczyk)
Subject: Re: egcs 1.1.1 i386.rpm where ?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 05:56:22 GMT
Jacek M. Holeczek wrote:
>Is there somewhere a place where I can get the egcs 1.1.1 i386.rpm ( I
>can only find egcs-1.1b ) ?
ftp.ps.pl as far as I remember /pub/linux/PLD
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Micha³ Kuratczyk
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Micha³ Kuratczyk)
Subject: Re: as86: Command not found
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 05:56:22 GMT
Michael Robbins wrote:
> as86: Command not found
>In which library can I find this command.
bin86
>I already have gcc-2.8.1 installed.
egcs is better to compile 2.2.x kernels.
--
Micha³ Kuratczyk
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From: Andreas Raum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux Install auf Laptop via NFS
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 18:05:12 +
Kann mir jemand erklären wie ich SUSE linux auf einen Laptop
(Netzwerk ist eingerichtet) installieren kann.
Ich habe auf dem NT-Server via Omni NFS einen Server
eingerichtet und das CD-Rom freigegeben.
Wenn ich mit der Boot Disk Starte zeigt mir OmniNFS auch
dass der laptop das Share gelockt hat- ich komme
jedoch nicht ueber den Screen Linux installieren
nicht hinaus ( e
Linux-Misc Digest #326
Linux-Misc Digest #326, Volume #19Sat, 6 Mar 99 05:13:14 EST
Contents:
Re: Cut and Paste (fred smith)
Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux vs. Windows (brian moore)
Re: Pentium III Boycott and survey info (mlw)
BEST HW For Linux NoteBook Project ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Linux Wannabe: which distribution? ("Bill")
Re: Is Slackware is based on libc5? (Rod Roark)
Re: best offline newsreader? ("Richard Latimer")
Re: best offline newsreader? ("Richard Latimer")
Re: NEWBIE - SOUND (Peter Granroth)
Re: StarOffice anyone?? (Jeff Steinkamp)
Recording with kernel 2.2.2 and Creative SB 64 PCI ("Michael Schmeing")
Format of /etc/hosts.lpd ? (Klaus-Dieter Moeller)
Downloading Slackware from Network (Francesc Guasch)
X server for NT 4.0 ("Michael Shoemaker")
V.90 ISA modems for Linux (Andrew Comech)
Re: Adjust time drift? (Stef)
linux users group in Ham,on,ca (dragon)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (fred smith)
Subject: Re: Cut and Paste
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 03:36:44 GMT
nick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: On the Solaris machines I used to work with, we used the copy and paste
: keys on the keyboard to move text between the terminal and texteditor
: (say for saving compilation output). With my PC of course I dont have
: those keys. I can use the middle mouse emulation to copy in a Bash shell
: but cant paste to a texteditor. How do I set up my desktop to enable me
: to cut and paste between a Bash shell and Textedit??
I past into text editors all the time. What editor are you using?
I'm using elvis (vi clone, though not the one Red hat ships). If you're
using some vi clone, just make sure you are in 'insert' mode when you
do the paste operation.
Fred
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Fred Smith -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Do you not know? Have you not heard?
The LORD is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth.
He will not grow tired or weary, and his understanding no one can fathom.
= Isaiah 40:28 (niv) =
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux vs. Windows
Date: 5 Mar 1999 03:13:44 GMT
On Wed, 03 Mar 1999 17:50:56 +,
Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't know which is better, FreeBSD or Linux, but I think we can all
> agree that these two collectively kick Windows' ass. Here are the areas
> in which FBSD & Linux are better than Windows:
Except for license differences, most of the differences between the BSD's and
Linux (or the BSDs and each other) are as relevant as the various "Which
distribution is best?" junk.
The BSD's and Linux are all fine systems.
> * Multitasking -- Windows 98 multitasking is still a joke. However, M$
> claims that UNIX still isn't as sophisticated as Windows when it comes
> to threading and running threaded apps. Maybe, but the multitasking
> isn't nearly as good as in FreeBSD or Linux. It's better than Windows
> 3.1's "multitasking", but what OS doesn't have better multitasking than
> Windows 3.1?
MS also plays games here and redefines terms. Each program is a 'thread' in
their world. With Unix, the process model is very deeply ingrained and they've
gotten good at it: it's highly optimized and most of the time forking is pretty
cheap.
(Note the Linux kernel thread implementation is just a fork with memory not set
to copy-on-write. That is, after all, what a thread is.)
> Here are some areas in which Windows is still better than FBSD and
> Linux:
>
> * better books on programming, systems programming, etc. I don't think
> there's any books out there on specifically programming for FreeBSD
> (although Stevens' book might be close).
Why specific? Most Unix books (especially Stevens') are general enough to
cover a good variety of flavors and cover them well. Certainly there are a lot
of really crappy "fad of the week" programming books on Unix, but then, the
same could be said of Windows books. There are also wonderful creations liks
Stevens' Advanced Programming in the Unix Environment (a bit dated, perhaps, in
some of the specifics, but the specifics don't matter for most.)
> * Microsoft Office is less bloated than Star Office.
Well, I don't use either. :)
WP8 was reasonably zippy to start, though. It impressed me, though most of my
needs are met with vi, since I don't do much word processing and certainly no
spreadsheets and such.
> I wonder if Charles Petzold ever did any UNIX/X11 programming? He
> probably did, but won't admit it in public. He's got this image of "Mr.
> Windows Programmer", so he probably doesn't want to destroy that image.
> I wonder if Charlie is interested in writing a book on "Programming
> FreeBSD-current"? That would be neat! ;-)
Why not Stevens? He's a damned fine writer and even supports his books on
Usenet, answer
Linux-Misc Digest #327
Linux-Misc Digest #327, Volume #19Sat, 6 Mar 99 05:13:14 EST
Contents:
PPP connection ... Help ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Newbie - Xfree86Config question (David Kirkpatrick)
Re: Network Administrators - why is pay so low? (brian moore)
Re: More bad news for NT (Harry)
Re: Public license question (Barry Margolin)
Re: netcape + freshmeat.org then crash? (brian moore)
Re: Public license question (Peter Seebach)
Re: as86: Command not found (Mircea)
Re: yet another win98 + RH Linux question!! (Mykool)
Re: Fax server software for Linux (Collin Bennett)
Re: Postgres + ESQL + cursors (TS Stahl)
Re: Public license question (Barry Margolin)
Re: StarOffice anyone?? ("Barbara A. Severance")
Re: KDE? Gnome? ... confused ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: uninstall Linux from dual boot w/ win98 (jik-)
Re: Network Administrators - why is pay so low? (Chris Ediger)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: PPP connection ... Help
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 18:13:23 GMT
Hi, there:
I'm trying to set up PPP connection. I read some HOWTO articles and tried
the manual script in them. And also I tried the default scripts coming with
RH5.2(of course replace the phone number, username and passwd). But both
failed. I can hear the modem dialing and successfully connected but soon it
stoped. Following are the scripts in those two methods and the results in log
file. Does anyone know what's wrong? Thanks a lot.
Dennis
METHOD 1 *
use some manual scripts described in HOWTO file.
I have chap-secrets file for chap login. And I have "nameserver
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx" in resolv.conf. And pppon is my ppp connection script.
File chap-secrets
==
# Secrets for authentication using CHAP
# clientserver secret IP addresses
my_username * my_passwd *
File: pppon
==
#!/bin/sh
/usr/sbin/pppd /dev/ttyS1 57600 user my_username connect "/usr/sbin/chat -v ''
ATDT6412828 CONNECT ''ogin:my_username assword:my_passwd"
The result in log file:
Mar 3 23:18:43 localhost pppd[634]: pppd 2.3.5 started by root, uid 0
Mar 3 23:18:44 localhost chat[635]: send (ATDT6412828^M)
Mar 3 23:18:44 localhost chat[635]: expect (CONNECT)
Mar 3 23:19:05 localhost chat[635]: ATDT6412828^M^M
Mar 3 23:19:05 localhost chat[635]: CONNECT
Mar 3 23:19:05 localhost chat[635]: -- got it
Mar 3 23:19:05 localhost chat[635]: send (ogin:fengg^M)
Mar 3 23:19:05 localhost chat[635]: expect (assword:foolish4)
Mar 3 23:19:05 localhost chat[635]: 21600/ARQ/V34/LAPM/V42BIS^M
Mar 3 23:19:50 localhost chat[635]: alarm
Mar 3 23:19:50 localhost chat[635]: Failed
Mar 3 23:19:50 localhost pppd[634]: Connect script failed
Mar 3 23:19:51 localhost pppd[634]: Exit.
METHOD 2 *
use default scripts coming with RH5.2 release.
File ppp-on
=
#!/bin/sh
#
# Script to initiate a ppp connection. This is the first part of the
# pair of scripts. This is not a secure pair of scripts as the codes
# are visible with the 'ps' command. However, it is simple.
#
# These are the parameters. Change as needed.
TELEPHONE=641-2828 # The telephone number for the connection
ACCOUNT=my_username # The account name for logon (as in 'George Burns')
PASSWORD=my_passwd # The password for this account (and 'Gracie Allen')
LOCAL_IP=0.0.0.0# Local IP address if known. Dynamic = 0.0.0.0
REMOTE_IP=0.0.0.0 # Remote IP address if desired. Normally 0.0.0.0
NETMASK=255.255.255.0 # The proper netmask if needed
#
# Export them so that they will be available at 'ppp-on-dialer' time.
export TELEPHONE ACCOUNT PASSWORD
#
# This is the location of the script which dials the phone and logs
# in. Please use the absolute file name as the $PATH variable is not
# used on the connect option. (To do so on a 'root' account would be
# a security hole so don't ask.)
#
DIALER_SCRIPT=/etc/ppp/ppp-on-dialer
#
# Initiate the connection
#
# I put most of the common options on this command. Please, don't
# forget the 'lock' option or some programs such as mgetty will not
# work. The asyncmap and escape will permit the PPP link to work with
# a telnet or rlogin connection. You are welcome to make any changes
# as desired. Don't use the 'defaultroute' option if you currently
# have a default route to an ethernet gateway.
#
#exec /usr/sbin/pppd debug lock modem crtscts /dev/ttyS0 57600 \
# asyncmap 20A escape FF kdebug 0 $LOCAL_IP:$REMOTE_IP \
# noipdefault netmask $NETMASK defaultroute connect $DIALER_SCRIPT
exec /usr/sbin/pppd /dev/ttyS1 57600 \
connect $DIALER_SCRIPT
File ppp-on-dialer
==
#!/bin/sh
#
# This is part 2 of the ppp-on script. It will perform the connection
# protocol for
Linux-Misc Digest #328
Linux-Misc Digest #328, Volume #19Sat, 6 Mar 99 06:13:11 EST
Contents:
Re: Open source MS bad for Linux? (Bev)
Re: Is Slackware is based on libc5? (Micha³ Kuratczyk)
Mini-FAQ: antivirus-software for Linux, version 1.2, released 03/05/1999 (RLink)
Re: netcape + freshmeat.org then crash? (Richard Griswold)
Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing? (Johan Kullstam)
Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing? (Christopher B. Browne)
Re: setting the IRQ on the 3c589 (David Hinds)
Re: Problems with Chat Script/pppd/diald on RedHat 5.1 ... ("Jason")
Cut and Paste (nick)
Re: Question about ZIP Disks with Linux (Walt Fles)
Re: Oh..me so dumb..me need help big time! (Micha³ Kuratczyk)
Re: Motif-Libraries (M. Buchenrieder)
chrony and hardware clock (Stef)
Re: Linux/FreeBSD compatability (Was Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)) (Chris
Costello)
Re: Simple text processor (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing? (Johan Kullstam)
Re: More bad news for NT ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul E Larson))
Re: Is Red Hat 5.2 worth fifty notes? (Jason Clifford)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Justin Murdock)
Re: Exporting Windows filesystem for Linux... (steve)
From: Bev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Open source MS bad for Linux?
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 14:53:29 -0800
Reply-To: Bev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
William Wueppelmann wrote:
> The real remedy has been that some of Microsoft's veneer of being an
> industry leader and innovator that brought cheap computing and quality
> software to the masses has been stripped away, and that to some extent, the
> public is seeing Gates and Microsoft more for what they really are. In
> addition, news about alternative systems (especially Linux) is going
> mainstream. I've been really surprised at how programs like CNN Moneyline
> have been giving a lot of attention to not only the M$ trial, but also
> Linux. Whatever the penalty the courts impose, if any, this has been the
> real benefit of the trial.
Am I the only one cynical enough to consider it possible that Gate$ has
secretly sponsored the recent linux publicity extravaganza in order to show
that there indeed ARE other viable operating systems and that M$ is
therefore not a monopoly?
--
Cheers,
Bev
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http://www.bigbrotherinside.org
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Micha³ Kuratczyk)
Subject: Re: Is Slackware is based on libc5?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 19:22:34 GMT
jik- wrote:
>3.6 has glibc runtime support libraries.
I heard that it hasn't. Thanks.
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Micha³ Kuratczyk
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (RLink)
Subject: Mini-FAQ: antivirus-software for Linux, version 1.2, released 03/05/1999
Date: 5 Mar 1999 19:50:02 GMT
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Mini-FAQ: "antivirus software for Linux"
Version: 1.2
Release Date: 03/05/1999
Maintainer: Rainer Link
http://members.aol.com/rlink/
1. About this mini-FAQ
This mini-FAQ informs you about currently available antivirus software
for Linux.
2. Overview
All listed products do not only search for known Linux-viruses (such
as Staog or Bliss), but also for known viruses for DOS/Windows, macro
viruses or Trojan Horses.
According to the producers, the Linux-version of their av-software
uses the same scanning engine as it is used at the Windows-version.
Only "Linux-native" av-software is written down here.
2.1 H+B EDV AntiVir/X
Producer/Developer: H+B EDV Datentechnik GmbH, Tettnang, Germany
Download: http://www.hbedv.com/
Version: 5.16.01, 22th Dec. 1998
Size (compressed): approx. 0,8 MB
contact person: Martin Ritter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Pricing: AntiVir/X is freeware for private use, but it is recommended
to register the software via eMail.
2.2 NAI Netshield (uvscan) for Unix (Linux)
Producer/Developer: Network Associates, USA
Download: ftp://ftp.nai.com/pub/antivirus/unix/linux/
Version: 3.18, July 1998
Size (compressed): approx. 2 MB
contact person: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Pricing: should be part of the "Total Virus Defense", please ask their
sales team.
Comments: According to Network Associates, Germany, the Dr Solomon's
engine will be integrated into NetShield/Unix (version 4.0x). An
official release date is not announced yet.
2.3 Sophos Sweep for Linux [Intel/Alpha]
Producter/Developer: Sophos UK / Sophos US
Download: http://www.sophos.com/downloads/
Version: 3.19, March 1999
Size (compressed): approx. 1 MB
contact person: Ian Whalley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Pricing: In Germany it is freeware for private use, but it is
recommended to register it by email, phone or fax.
2.4 Trend Micro Virus Scanner fuer Linux
Producer/Developer: Trend Micro, USA
Download: not av
Linux-Misc Digest #329
Linux-Misc Digest #329, Volume #19Sat, 6 Mar 99 07:13:12 EST
Contents:
Re: Digital Cameras (Vacuo)
Re: Directory colours in RedHat 5.2 (hexdump)
IBM Global Network on Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Cannot Remove LILO from MBR (Cooper)
Re: MPEG and linux (Gary Momarison)
Re: Dual Pentium II 300MMX Processor swap? (Collin Bennett)
16 Colors Only ("Paul Davies")
Re: Linuxconf and /etc permissions (Bill Unruh)
Re: passwd file locked (Jayasuthan [VorHacker])
Q: sync, update, bdflush stalling - please help! ("Ian Vince McLoughlin (Dr)")
Re: Netscape 4.5 setup and run under x-windows/Gnome on RH 5.2 (William Park)
Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing? (Johan Kullstam)
Re: Oh..me so dumb..me need help big time! (M. Buchenrieder)
Samba newbie with linux laptop on a win95 dhcp network, HELP! ("John Wong")
Re: diald vs. pppd (Conway Yee)
LILO.CONF options ("Randy (Alf)")
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Vacuo)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Digital Cameras
Date: 5 Mar 1999 04:20:25 GMT
I would recommend putting money into those megapixel cameras that use
Flash memory cards. The Nikon 900S stores about 55 'normal' 260k jpegs
on a 15mb Flash card. These cards are produced by several
manufacturers
so there is competition and the cards are cheap. New cards are
available
with hundreds ( !) of mb capacity today. They last virtually forever:
hundreds of
thousands of cycles. They can be read very quickly using a parallel
port Flash
card reader- 55 pics in about a minute or less. This is at least an
order of magnitude
faster than serial cable. I use a Sandisk reader which cost under
60-US$. You
slip the Flash card out of the camera and into the mouse-like reader.
The files
(exposures) appear as a 'removable drive' in your computer and are
almost
instantly available for use. No camera battery usage of course during
this transfer.
There is simply no comparison between this system and the prior
methods
such as floppy (ughh) with its moving parts inside the camera and the
old
Olympus proprietary non-removable memory chips. You can hold thousands
of pictures in the palm of your hand using Flash cards.
Flash readers are available in SCSI form as well as EPP Parallel Port,
but
are expensive (200-US$ or more). On a trip one could just carry the
reader
and the software on a floppy, and use just about any computer at all
to
email or ftp the photos back home. Or leave the floppy home and dl the
latest program from www.sandisk.com or whatever.
Vacuo
On Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:38:55, Jim Howes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> David Fox wrote:
> > "The Infernal One" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > Does anyone either know or have good source information on
> > > which digital cameras support linux? TIA.
> >
> > Olympus DL-600 works fine using the photopc package. Many other
> > models use the exact same chipsets and software. (Sure does eat
> > batteries though.)
>
> I have an Olympus D900Z; Works extremely well with photopc
> over a serial line. I prefer working from the command line
> anyhow. The same code should work with any camera that uses
> the Fujitsu chipset, which includes many cameras made by
> sanyo, epson, fujitsu and olympus, and probably others.
>
> Most digital cameras eat batteries. I have aquired a single
> set of 4xNiMH AA batteries, which last quite well, as well as
> a bucketload of NiCd cells.
>
> Regards,
> Jim
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (hexdump)
Subject: Re: Directory colours in RedHat 5.2
Date: 5 Mar 1999 04:54:59 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 3 Mar 1999 04:52:08 -0800, regoltd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have recently installed RedHat 5.2 and am new to Linux. I have previously
>tried Slackware and liked the way the directories and other files were in
>colours and the normal text type files were white. I prefer the RedHat to
>the Slackware because it is easier for me to use until I get use to Linux.
>Can I do this with RedHat 5.2 and how do I do this.
>M. Rego
>
>
Try adding the following aliases to your .bashrc file:
alias dir='dir --color=auto'
alias ls='ls --color=auto'
Hexdump
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Mate, this parrot wouldn't VOOM if you put four million volts through it!
-- Monty Python
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: IBM Global Network on Linux
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 10:06:54 GMT
Has anyone used IBM Global Network on Linux? and if so, how? Can you read the
phone database they provide with the NT product?
I have it on my laptops NT partition, but I need the space, and NT has to go.
But I still need access to the IBM Global Network.
Any help would be gratefully received.
Ian Collins.
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Linux-Misc Digest #330
Linux-Misc Digest #330, Volume #19Sat, 6 Mar 99 08:13:10 EST
Contents:
Re: best offline newsreader? ("Richard Latimer")
Re: [Printer] HP697C and Ghostscript--Wet printing ("Michael Lee Yohe")
Re: Simple text processor ("Joe (theWordy) Philbrook")
Re: special characters in UNIX how? ("Joe (theWordy) Philbrook")
Re: Caldera RPMs in RH? (Micha³ Kuratczyk)
UNIX/Linux book request for SysAdms ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Installing software with rpm (Howard Mann)
Re: undefined symbol: __register_frame_info (dream)
Labels crashing WP8 for Linux (Rod Smith)
compiling karpski (ethernet protocol analyzer) (Andreas Petralia)
Re: Linux VERY slow to boot (Steffen Kluge)
Burning SUSE CD in Win95 (David Heath)
Re: More bad news for NT ("jeremy.jancsary")
Purp compile error (Len Cuff)
Re: Public license question (NF Stevens)
Re: Public license question (NF Stevens)
Re: Module configuration (NF Stevens)
Re: Newsreaders and Star Office (John Thompson)
Re: Public license question (Barry Margolin)
Re: How to change date for Unix/Linux? (root)
From: "Richard Latimer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: best offline newsreader?
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 03:26:21 -0800
Richard Steiner wrote in message ...
>Most of the Windows users I know who use Usenet's technical
>newsgroups tend to use text when posting. Is that not the same
>for you?
When I was reading messages in a Microsoft newsgroup about
Office 2000 beta, about 1/4 to 1/3 of the messages were html
with stationary and pics in the signatures.
One day I was moving thru a thread about broken sound support
in MS Outlook when a voice came out of my computer, "What's
the problem!" I like it.
Users may be doing more than reading technical newsgroups.
They may be downloading and listening to their friend's new
piece of music, or they may be telecommuting and working on
a corporate compound document in Outlook. You can manage
all of these feats inside Outlook or with Outlook Express.
There are several ways to cause people to upgrade. One is to
stop supporting something, say take support for a.out binaries
out of the kernel. Another way is to use features that would re-
quire users to upgrade or be left out, such as html in messages.
Computing gets gooey-er everyday and there isn't much anyone
can do to stop it. It's too much fun.
(Or do you mean that I posted html here?)
>I believe that it's better to use inexpensive, stable, flexible, and
>OPEN technology on my desktop than to use expensive,
>nondeterministic, inflexible fluff like Microsoft markets to the
>public.
The two systems are complementary headaches.
Windows is easy to install and configure. It supports virtually all
PC hardware you can buy. It has a fabulous, rich array of desktop
application software available.
It is also anal in that you must do everything MS's way. It crashes
during normal use. You have very little control over the configuration
of "help" features and the excess baggage that is loaded on a
stock PC is nearly impossible to discard.
Linux does not crash. It is inexpensive as you say. It is apparently
great server software. And that's it.
The desktop application software is very sad. Configuration is a
nightmare. Most packages supporting the kernel look as if they
began as homebrew projects that stopped when they became
stable. They provide a good deal of flexibility if you are maintain-
ing a network, but for a stand alone desktop they are Byzantine.
On my little laptop I have programs that use scripts that use scripts
that are really links, which use more links, etc., until they get to
a file that says "exec gnome-session". Most of this is unnecessary
and too confusing. It requires too much time and effort to figure out.
Linux has done well in the server niche. Whether it moves on to
become a presence on the desktop depends on two things. One
is the problem of setup and configuration. The other is application
software.
Solving these problems depends on the Linux community. If they
continue to do things as unix has done for twenty years, then Linux
will fail on the desktop. It isn't practical to expect newbies to solve
these problems themselves. They require make easier installation
and capable gooey gooey gooey software.
>You can choose differently if you wish. That's fine. But coming in
>here and wasting our time by tossing out insults isn't all that cool,
>and certainly isn't going to win you much support. Please go
>away.
It should be the other way around, shouldn't it? If you don't like my
posts, don't read them. My diction is sharp, but not nearly as
insulting as things I commonly see posted to newbies asking for
help. If I don't raise a ruckus, who will? Most of the newbies are
too intimidated to sqeak.
Newbies need help and a much better experience with Linux. If
they stay long enough, they may solve some of these problems
themselves, but it w
Linux-Misc Digest #331
Linux-Misc Digest #331, Volume #19Sat, 6 Mar 99 10:13:22 EST Contents: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Mayor Of R'lyeh) Re: Public license question (David Kastrup) Re: Public license question (David Kastrup) Re: newbie! Lexmark 5700 printer...HELP! (Ken Kan) Re: Can Linux run on NT for stability? (Tom Betz) Re: Small version of Linux (LarsErik Johansson) Re: Text editors (David M. Cook) Re: Linux Versions (Ralf Heger) binary-level debugger (Jens Olav Nygaard) cron + scripts (Marko Brandes) Iomega Zip - Error 2701, imm (Michael Augustin) Re: ATI Mach64 and X-Windows. (Philippe Wautelet) Problems with maple after upgrade (Bernhard Rau) Re: Linux su (Jim Henderson) Is Red Hat 5.2 worth fifty notes? (Harry) Re: Is Slackware is based on libc5? (jik-) Re: Where to find suse rpms? ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: NT-linux dual boot (Rod Roark) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mayor Of R'lyeh) Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 15:01:08 GMT On 28 Feb 1999 23:22:34 -0800, Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> chose to bless us all with this bit of wisdom: >-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >Hash: SHA1 > >> "Arthur" == Arthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >Arthur> Mayor Of R'lyeh wrote: >>> On Tue, 23 Feb 1999 10:01:53 -0800, Arthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> chose to bless us all with this bit of wisdom: > >>> >Mayor Of R'lyeh wrote: > >Arthur> [snip] > >>> >You may have the facts right in the instance cited where 3 >>> women >died - you haven't cited any source. >>> >>> Look it up if you don't believe me. > >Arthur> I did - didn't find anything except someplace where I >Arthur> could buy the transcript of the trial. I never said I >Arthur> didn't believe you, or that I believe you either. > >>> > Michael did cite one source >for an out of court settlement >>> in a different case involving the >Pinto gas tank. > >>> Micheal cited one Ford report and then deliberately >>> misinterpreted it. > >Arthur> I don't recall that he did any misinterpretation at all. > >Well, the old saying is, "You can lead a man to a idea, but you can't >make him think." In the case of the "Mayor," if a top Ford executive >came out on the Larry King show and said, "Yeah, we knew those tanks >were defective," the "Mayor" would persist in his state of denial. >If a written report won't sway his opinion, it simply shows that his >opinion is not based on fact but on prejudice. I've explained to you twice what that report really says. That you keep insisting that it was part of some conspiracy by Ford to murder people says more about where your opinions come from than mine. That you have no rebuttal of my facts and opinions other than invective and ad hominum says much about your the state of your argument. "That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die." - Abdul Alhazred, Necronomicon -- From: David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,gnu.misc.discuss Subject: Re: Public license question Date: 06 Mar 1999 14:28:18 +0100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Seawood) writes: > I think this is a case where the ambiguity of copyright law wrt > software works against the goals of RMS. Rather than ignore the > ambiguity or say that a certain action is against the "spirit of > copyright law", perhaps the GPL should explicitly close that > loophole. Otherwise, what you have is RMS saying that's it is > illegal to *use* a GPL'd library under certain conditions even > though he has no legal backing to do so. And we'll continue to have > discussions like this...especially now with more people using things > like CORBA. You have to understand that RMS is entirely against copyright protection of software. The legal interpretation of copyright and derived works is dictated by the courts. The purpose of the GPL is to create a software pool where copyright is essentially abolished. If the *law* will choose to say that a derived work is not one that depends on the existence of another work without which it cannot be used and with regard to which it was designed, then that will be fine with RMS. If the law decides not, he does not see the point in not using this protection granted to software hoarders for his means of discouraging software hoarding. The ideal world for RMS will be one where none of the clauses of the GPL is enforceable, because then *all* software will be as he wishes it to be -- free. As that is not the case, he uses the legal machinations in order to protect the free software pool he is involved with from unilateral exploitation without contribution. -- David Kastrup
Linux-Misc Digest #332
Linux-Misc Digest #332, Volume #19Sat, 6 Mar 99 12:13:08 EST Contents: Re: How I want to configure my office (gus) Re: More bad news for NT (Harry) Re: user web pages (Bob) Re: PCMCIA Cardservices & SuSE 6.0 (Geoff Allsup) imap 4.x compilation issues (Bill Sanchez) Re: StarOffice anyone?? (Ivan Bilenjkij) Re: Linux Wannabe: which distribution? (Warrior) Simple smail config question (Allen Ashley) Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing? (Robert Krawitz) Re: MCSE preparation exams (PRice) Re: Linux Versions (jik-) Re: Sound Blaster 32 PnP Problems ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) UTMP-file? (Armin Wenz) Re: Is Red Hat 5.2 worth fifty notes? (Pete) From: gus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: How I want to configure my office Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 14:43:32 + Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] O'Neill wrote: > > On 5 Mar 1999 03:41:35 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank Hahn) wrote: > > >On 03 Mar 1999 10:40:52 PST, O'Neill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>I have a small office providing professional services. Currently, we > >>have five desktop computers linked on an ethernet (bnp) network. [snip] > >If you have the networking part down, I would think you are the biggest > >part of the way there. > > I agree, and that's what I need help with. the windows machines are > all networked, but I don't have much functionality with the network > when I'm in linux. Not only that, but I haven't even begun to figure > out how to drive my printers. From what I've seen so far, printing is > just downright baffling, though I'm sure that with 10 or 15 hours of > work I would understand it, etc. The thing is that the time is hard > to find. > > I also want to set up internal email and other such things. Maybe > even an intranet? Anyway, I appreciate your response and ideas. > Frankly, I kinda thought I would get more replies, but I'll try the > links you suggested. > > Thanks again. What a pity I am not in NY ;-) What you are actually looking for is a person with a couple of months of Samba experience, and the energy and patience to teach somone in site. If I was in NY I would happily come in for a few hours up to a weekend at about 40 dollars per hour for the initial setup. This should really not take more than a few hours to get to grips with the environment, a couple of hours to install a PC and recompile the kernels if necessary then a couple more hours to set up Samba and the usernames and passwords etc. There is always an inevitable glitch which will add time, but it should all be doable in a weekend. Then a couple of hours to explain to yourself what has been done (If you did not sit in while it was happening), and then an offer of free on-site same night (after hours) support should anything be wrong for the next week. Obviously I could "charge" that because I would be happy to, more commercial support would be more expensive, I imagine. Anyway, that is the sort of person you need. Someone who has passed the learning curve, but can help you to cut the time of your learning curve. You then end up supporting it once the glitches are out. That is what I would look for. My expectation is that it should all be doable in a day, but I know computers well enough to give two days at least. All in all, I guess it would cost you a day (8 hours) and $320. Bargain. gus -- From: Harry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: More bad news for NT Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 09:13:15 -0500 > 95/98 are clones of the Mac and all the other GUI's that came way > before Win 3.1/95/98. The Mac, GEM, GeoWorks on the Commodore > 64/128 first, then the ... blah, blah, blah How does the potted history of the GUI show that Windows 95 isn't easy to use? I just love this type of rant: "Windows isn't easier to use than Linux, which doesn't have the burden of a built-in GUI, and in any case it's just a copy of a Mac GUI and GEM was much better than Windows anyway, blah, blah, blah". Ever heard of Great Bores of Today? Harry -- Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking From: Bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: user web pages Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 22:49:04 +0800 try looking for the UserDir option in the srm.conf file On Thu, 18 Feb 1999, D E G wrote: > Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 00:53:02 -0500 > From: D E G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.networking, comp.os.linux.misc > Subject: user web pages > > i know this is supposed to be really simple, but i'm having major > problems seting up user web pages (ie www.../~user = > /home/user/public_html). i'm running apache on rh5.2 > > here is an excerpt from my access.conf file: > > Order allow,deny > Allow from 128.59. > Options Indexes Includes ExecCGI FollowSymLinks > AllowOverride None > > > whenever i try to access the page i get: > Forbidden > > You don't have permission to access /~user/ on this
Linux-Misc Digest #333
Linux-Misc Digest #333, Volume #19Sat, 6 Mar 99 14:13:14 EST
Contents:
Re: More bad news for NT (Harry)
Re: Open source MS bad for Linux? (Harry)
Re: Is there a linux for a palmtop? (gene)
can not install Linux: CD-ROM-Problem with Debian 2.0r3 (zlep)
Re: Screen Configuration (Frank da Cruz)
Re: Partition Magic? (wbg)
Re: user web pages (Geoff Short)
Re: More bad news for NT (Walter Strong)
Re: Linux on HP Vectra 486 XM ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Problems with NE2000 modules (Edward Nather)
Re: Text editors (jik-)
Re: why is compiling (and installation) so difficult ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Any email clients than can directly talk to an Exchange server_ ("Martin Knoblauch")
Stupid Newbie tricks (Add this to list) (Pete Tolen)
Re: viewing non ascii attatchments with pine ?? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Could some kind soul help me sort out my libs? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Problems with NE2000 modules ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: netcape + freshmeat.org then crash? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: equivalent of edit? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Justin Murdock)
Re: Public license question (Barry Margolin)
Re: Public license question (Barry Margolin)
Re: Upgrade to libc6 (Jason Ogren)
From: Harry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 12:05:32 -0500
> I think I've got a good knowledge of computers < knowing about a fe
> 17-year-old high school student <
Ummm. I wouldn't say I've got a good knowledge of computers, and
I've worked in the industry for a decade. Thing is, I've never d
worked on OS/400, or on BeOS, or on an SP system, and my n
mainframe experience dates back to when I was at university and
wouldn't be very relevant today. Normally I'd say I've got a good
knowledge of computers, but when it comes to comparing platforms,
knowing about a few doesn't really count for much.r 8$é| Though we ma
As for Linux being faster than Windows - faster than which f1
version, on what hardware, and running what apps? And with or mwouldn
without X? I first installed Red Hat Linux on a 486DX4 with 16 MB
RAM and 1 MB on board graphics. Under X it ran unacceptably 1
slowly, too slow to be of any use. NT 4 Worstation ran just fine
on the same system. How does this square up with all the s
unqualified statements about Linux wiping the floor with NT I've
read in this thread?t
Harryi
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From: Harry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Open source MS bad for Linux?
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 12:15:52 -0500
Bev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Wrote:(
> Am I the only one cynical enough to consider it possible that
> Gate$ has secretly sponsored the recent linux publicitye
> extravaganza in order to show that there indeed ARE othert1
> viable operating systems and that M$ is therefore not a r étheref
> monopoly?e
Alas no! When the Halloween documents surfaced, a number of h mpreten
industry commentators (including Simon Moores, I think, in 1
JavaVision) noticed the convenience of the disclosure to MS. I
think that's why the Halloween documents haven't attracted more
publicity. I myself think that, while MS is making the most of ,
pretending to be concerned about Linux's threat, Linux actually
*does* pose a competitive threat to MS.s
Harry*
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (gene)
Subject: Re: Is there a linux for a palmtop?
Date: 6 Mar 1999 17:20:35 GMT
>>I'd like to run linux on a personal organizer type
>>machine:
>
> The Toshiba Libretto is one candidate; the NEC Ready 120LT is a
> (slightly larger) alternative.
Toshiba has, in no uncertain terms, refused to support the Linux
community. I for one will not purchase a toshiba product until this
situation changes for the better.
Try this:
http://ryeham.ee.ryerson.ca/uClinux
or this:
http://www.bromcom.com/linux/
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: Gene Imes http://www.ozob.net :
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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 18:36:53 +0100
From: zlep <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: can not install Linux: CD-ROM-Problem with Debian 2.0r3
hi, can U help me?
I want to install debian Linux 2.0r3 on my old 486-33.
I have this old SONY CDU31a CD-ROM drive.
I read on HOWTO-CD, that debian supports this proprietary
CD-ROM-interface, and found drivers(c-source-code) on the Web.
When I tried to install linux I did the following:
- boot from DOS-floppy with a DOS-CD-ROM driver.
- start the installation from CD-ROM, partition the harddisk, etc.
- but if I get to the step of installation where Operating Kernel and
Modules should be installed from CD, the program asks me to choose the
type of my CD-interface.
- SCSI and ATAPI (IDE) does not work (of course).
- If I choose "proprietary CD interface", the program asks me for a
driver on a floppy, but i have only this driver in source-
Linux-Misc Digest #334
Linux-Misc Digest #334, Volume #19Sat, 6 Mar 99 15:13:11 EST Contents: Re: More bad news for NT (Harry) Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Justin Murdock) Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing? (Robert Krawitz) Re: Oh..me so dumb..me need help big time! (Dan Srebnick) Re: OS with a seamless object model (Roger Espel Llima) Re: Public license question (jik-) ADI monitor help ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing? (Robert Krawitz) Re: Beowulf Anyone? (Oscar Stiffelman) Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing? (Robert Krawitz) Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Roger Espel Llima) Re: equivalent of edit? (Marco Tephlant) Re: Public license question (Barry Margolin) mSQL Installation ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: Help: Newbie doesn't know where to start with GNOME! (Ivan Bilenkey) From: Harry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: More bad news for NT Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 03:45:41 -0500 > Not me. I started with JCL. < I used to dream of JCL. Started with binary machine code. < -- From: Justin Murdock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) Date: 05 Mar 1999 15:05:52 + > "DrBoom" == DrBoom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: DrBoom> C Lamb wrote: >> Remember, all the world isn't the US, we don't get free local >> calls. DrBoom> No offense (lotta that going around -- strange for this thread DrBoom> :-) ), but most(?) newsreaders have an option to download just DrBoom> the headers if it worries you that much. You can then DrBoom> disconnect and select the articles you want to read, DrBoom> reconnect, and get them. We also have minimum call charges... -- "This 'telephone' has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered as a means of communication." --Western Union internal memo,1876 "[We] are too possessive for this CERN hypertext thing to catch on" --me,1990 -- From: Robert Krawitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware Subject: Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing? Date: 06 Mar 1999 14:00:13 -0500 Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Robert Krawitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > That interpretation is simply incorrect. Virtual addresses (which are > > the only kind that normal instructions ever deal with in protected > > mode) are 32 bits wide, just as in all x86 processors from the 80386 > > on up. The processor (in hardware, by referring to the page tables) > > translates these virtual addresses into physical memory addresses. > > It's immaterial how wide the physical address bus is. The physical > > address bus could be 20 bits wide (not that I'd care to use such a > > machine), or 32 bits wide, or 40 bits wide. The kernel sets up the > > mapping between virtual addresses and physical memory; the processor > > actually performs the mapping in hardware, and the user code never > > knows the difference. > > riddle me this, how can i have more than 4 GB of data accessible from > one program? You can't (via direct memory addressing), but suppose I want to have several dozen memory-hungry processes all running concurrently? This is not normally the case for desktop systems, and is seldom a problem for http servers and such, but for heavy commercial data processing, with parallel databases, it's a perfectly normal state of affairs. Folks, the issue is not the single-process VM limit, it's the total amount of memory available to all processes in the system! -- Robert Krawitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.tiac.net/users/rlk/ Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2 Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works." --Eric Crampton -- From: Dan Srebnick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Oh..me so dumb..me need help big time! Date: 6 Mar 1999 09:07:07 -0500 K Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So, is there anyway to resolve this? I know, I removed glibc! That was > s stupid! But is there a fix for this? I'd appreciate any input. > Thank you very much in advance. Boot off your rescue disk. Mount your root partition somewhere, I believe Redhat give you a tmp directory to mount partitions. You can then copy the libc*.so files from the live/lib directory of your cdrom to the tmp/yourmountpoint/lib directory, and that should be good enough to start. Then once you reboot, you can try a rpm -i glibc to put it all back as it was. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roger Espel Llima) Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.linux.advocacy Subject: Re: OS with a seamless object model Date: 6 Mar 1999 00:27:34 GMT In article <[EMAIL
Linux-Misc Digest #335
Linux-Misc Digest #335, Volume #19Sat, 6 Mar 99 17:13:11 EST Contents: Re: Public license question (Christopher Seawood) Reqs for a Linux router (Edward Murrell) Fundamental Linux Install/Troubleshooting Training (Gregor Strassburger) Problem (Norbert Kraiczy) Re: G3 PDS card usable? (mac 8100 ppc...with 3rd party accel.) (Steven Kan) Re: How to build the floppy of LRP (Linux Router Project)? Re: Celeron 400 (Mircea) VQF for Linux... (Brian Woo) Re: More bad news for NT (Anthony Ord) Re: More bad news for NT (Anthony Ord) Re: swapon -s: /proc/swaps: No such file or directory (Juergen Heinzl) How to install Apache 1.3.4 + SSL OVER 1.3.3 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: How to change date for Unix/Linux? (Alexander Kalinin) Re: More bad news for NT (Craig Kelley) Re: Berkeley DB (Juergen Heinzl) Re: damn bastards (Rulecoyote) adding fonts (jas shultz) Re: Xwindows too BIG (Terry Davis) Berkeley DB (Milos Prudek) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Seawood) Subject: Re: Public license question Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,gnu.misc.discuss Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 01:03:56 GMT Barry Margolin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: : In article <8%YD2.70611$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, : Christopher Seawood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: : > : >If another non-GPL'd library could potentially be used instead of the : >GPL'd one, then his work isn't dependent upon it. But what you're saying : >is that the mere potential isn't enough. So what if someone provided a : >dummy libreadline that contains all of the hooks and public API needed : >to use the program w/o using libreadline? The mere existance of this : >dreadline should not determine whether or not the program in question : >is dependent upon readline. : : If this "dummy libreadline" doesn't actually do anything, then no one would : actually consider linking against it to make the program do what it's : supposed to do, so it's irrelevant. You just changed your viewpoint from there must be an API compatible alternative library to there must be an API compatible alternative library that implements all of the features of the original. You're also assuming that the library is an essential piece of the program. I specifically picked readline because it's not essential to the working of any program I've seen it linked against. Even in the case where the library *is* essential to the program, the clone library isn't required to implement every single function of the original library. For the longest time, lesstif was not as complete as motif but yet people were claiming that motif-linked GPL apps were legal because you could drop lesstif in as a replacement. The case of using an incomplete dreadline library is not any different. : We're talking about a situation where : someone distributes a program that has to be linked with a GPLed library in : order to function properly. If the program were linked with dreadline it : wouldn't do so, and the documentation would presumably not mention this as : part of its installation instructions. Someone would have to create a : functional replacement for libreadline, and then the program would no : longer be effectively derived from libreadline. The incompleteness of the alternative library shouldn't affect the question of where the program was derived. Would the author of the program be at fault if the user runs the program against readline 1.0 which presumably is missing features and has bugs? No, they wouldn't. Similiarly, if the user runs the program against dreadline which contains void functions or minimal functionality, the author should not be fault. Those situations are usage issues not copying issues and therefore are not covered by copyright law. : >I think this is a case where the ambiguity of copyright law wrt software : >works against the goals of RMS. Rather than ignore the ambiguity or : >say that a certain action is against the "spirit of copyright law", : >perhaps the GPL should explicitly close that loophole. : : Using what mechanism? The GPL is only enforceable by virtue of copyright : law. Although it refers to itself as a license, I suspect that it would : be considered as unenforceable as a shrinkwrap license. But copyright law : provides the basis for setting restrictions on copying. True but no one said you had to rely solely upon copyright law for the terms of your license. For instance, the newly released QPL specifically mentions linking and therefore removes the cloud of confusion that we are currently experiencing. Granted, in the future, the term "linking" could become outdated due to some new advance in software development but it closes up the loophole today and is definitely more up to date than copyright law's interpretation of the situation. The alternative is to accept that dynamic linking of GPL'd A and non-GPL'd B is not prohibited by neither copyright law nor
Linux-Misc Digest #336
Linux-Misc Digest #336, Volume #19Sat, 6 Mar 99 20:13:08 EST
Contents:
Re: DNS problem (Raj Rijhwani)
Re: Public license question (Bernd Gehrmann)
Re: equivalent of edit? (Gamma Rat)
Re: VQF for Linux... (Todd Ostermeier)
Re: More bad news for NT (Ed Blackman)
Re: BEST HW For Linux NoteBook Project (Robert Billing)
Re: kermit messages (Frank da Cruz)
Re: How to change date for Unix/Linux? (jik-)
Re: mounting dos partition (bklimas)
Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing? (Robert Krawitz)
Re: Again SMP problems (Jacques Oosthuizen)
Re: glibc2.1.x + gnu.org 'political issues'?? (jik-)
stupid tar question (tim rosen)
Re: Overclocking (was: Re: K6-2 and Linux, Are there any Bug?) (Phillip Deackes)
Re: Berkeley DB (Juergen Heinzl)
A LUG in Vermont ("Marc G. Glade")
Re: A LUG in Vermont (mlw)
Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing? ("David A. Frantz")
Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing? ("David A. Frantz")
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Raj Rijhwani)
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: DNS problem
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 99 01:34:45 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] "Robert Billing" writes:
> Raj Rijhwani wrote:
> > a request is made of the server for external resolution once the gateway
> > is down, it seems to lock out and won't answer external addresses even
> > when the gate comes back up. Resetting it (with "kill -HUP {pid}") gets
> > it up and running again.
> I had to comment out this line in
> /usr/local/lib/diald/standard.filter.m4 to get DNS to bring the link up.
> #ignore udp udp.dest=udp.domain,udp.source=udp.domain
I'm not using diald, but thanks for the tought.
To clarify, the gateway machine has scheduled dial-up events, whilst
it can also be manually engaged. Other machines behind it, await the
arrival of mail and periodically try to pick up news, to make full use
of the line whenever it's up. These machines (and any of the web
browsers that may be active) rely on the internal DNS, which is also
behind the gateway. As I said before, this works fine when it's
started/reset whilst the line's up, but once the line goes down, asking
for resolution of an external address (as happens when the news
collector polls every few minutes) often causes DNS to lock up, and it
has to be restarted before it will serve another request (even an
internal one). I've got around this at the moment by the very kludgy
expedient of a "killall -1 named" cron event every 15 minutes. Dirty,
but sufficiently good to work (for now). I'd prefer it didn't need to,
though.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] | "Lieutenant Green: Launch all Angels!"
http://www.courtfld.demon.co.uk/raj/ (demon, and gods, willing...)
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From: Bernd Gehrmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Public license question
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 22:03:35 +0100
On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, John Hasler wrote:
> Christopher Seawood writes:
> > Per Section 3, what constitutes "normally distributed with major
> > components of the operating system"?
>
> Libc, Motif.
>
> > Motif distributed with Solaris seems to fall under this distinction but
> > Qt distributed with Linux-Mandrake does not. What's the difference?
>
> Is Linux-Mandrake an operating system, or is it only a minor variation on
> an operating system that does not normally include Qt?
It's a variation of an operating system that does normally include
Qt, but not Motif. But for the given question (section 3 of the GPL)
this is irrelevant. This section requires that for components of the
operating system which accompany a GPL'd program, the source must
be provided. Qt always comes with source code, so this is not an
issue. For Motif, it _is_ an issue. GPL'd programs statically linked
with Motif are always in violation with the GPL. Moreover, with the
unusual definition given in the GPL (compilers are part the OS), one
cannot ship a compiler bundled with e. g. Emacs without providing
source for the compiler. AFAIR Sun did exactly this.
> Copyright law does not concern itself about processes, source files,
> sockets, linkage, etc. Copyright is about making copies. If your work as
> didtributed contains a copy of part or all of another work it is a
> derivative of that work. If not, it isn't.
This doesn't answer the question, because the GPL does not apply for
mere aggregation of works.
Bernd.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gamma Rat)
Subject: Re: equivalent of edit?
Date: 6 Mar 1999 21:46:25 GMT
Reply-To: see my .sig below
On 3 Mar 1999 22:22:03 GMT, ErickShun6 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I know it's kinda a stupid question but what is the
Linux-Misc Digest #337
Linux-Misc Digest #337, Volume #19Sat, 6 Mar 99 20:13:08 EST
Contents:
Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing? ("David A. Frantz")
Re: BEST HW For Linux NoteBook Project (David Fox)
Re: gnome 1.0 install and required library RPM upgrades (jik-)
Re: Newsreader for Linux (David Magda)
NT-linux dual boot (Trausti Thor Kristjansson)
Re: Adjust time drift? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Cannot Remove LILO from MBR (root)
Re: Pentium III Boycott and survey info (Anthony D. Tribelli)
Re: Text editors (ag)
Re: Xdm, then xsession??? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Cannot Remove LILO from MBR (Cevher Dogan)
Re: glibc2.1.x + gnu.org 'political issues'?? (Paul Kimoto)
Re: netcape + freshmeat.org then crash? (Ralph Alvy)
Re: Motif-Libraries ("Marc D. Williams")
Re: UMSDOS on FAT32? ("Marc D. Williams")
2.2.1 module problems HELP! (Jeremy)
Open Source Office Package? IDE? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
System V style ps (Tim Rice)
Re: Cannot Remove LILO from MBR (Christopher)
Re: SMP MP3 problems (Anonymous)
Need CDE for Red Hat Linux 5.2 (SPACE)
Re: netcape + freshmeat.org then crash? (Reinhard Karcher)
Re: UTMP-file? (Gary Momarison)
Re: PPP connection ... Help (Bill Unruh)
xwindows ("ô_ô")
From: "David A. Frantz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing?
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 23:27:48 -0500
John Burton wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Johan Kullstam wrote:
>>
>> John Burton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> > There are multiple reasons for and against going with an Alpha or PPC
>> > vs. Intel... on of which is *all* the other hardware is Intel x86 based
>> > and having *binary* compatibility is important.
>>
>> who cares about binary compatibility? just recompile!
>
>Ummm...try providing support to multiple scientists developing code on
>their personal workstations (x86 based), running multiple jobs on
>multiple machines, writing data to the same location (typically a
>partition on their personal workstation), using the generated (binary)
>data as input to other jobs on other machines...add to that the problems
>of maintaining some type of version control over the software being
>developed...so now add to that simply *recompiling* *all* the code that
>has been developed, and make sure that the version of code (and
>compilers, and libraries and utilities, and...) are the same on both the
>x86 *and* the alpha / ppc machines... And on top of all that, the data
>produce MUST BE CORRECT!
>
>So, while in concept having an alpha or ppc machine on the LAN with x86
>machines is good idea, in practice there are a lot of minor problems and
>it introduces a lot of places for bugs to enter the processing setup...
Sounds like the problem here is that you are growing you application to the
point that they require more than capablity than you would get from a PC.
Sounds like you should just scrap the PCs an move to RS6000 or something of
that nature. Your problem reminds me of a couple of engineering
departments I know of.They standardized on a PC platform running AutoCAD
thinking it would suit there needs, but got left behind trying to keep up
with vendors running Catia on real work stations.So now the PCs are used
as drafting tables instead of design aids.
Thats not to say that using a PC to do engineering work is a bad thing its
just that you have a growth problem centered around a couple of things.
These are: 1. MS operating systems, 2. 32 bit address space, 3. very poor
scalability, 4. Floating Point as an after thought. Of these the one
thing that sneaks up on many PC users is the 32 bit address space issue.
>
>>
>> if it's some proprietary offering, chances are it would never be
>> offered in 32+32 bit large mode. even if linux were to support it,
>> it'd be a bitch to port.
>>
>Like I said, I don't care about the 36 bit address space, just the
>bandwidth issue (described below) and getting the most bang for the
>buck...
Look closely at the Alphas memory bandwidth.
>
>> > That said, I too am interersted in this topic for the simple reason
>> > that the 450NX chipset motherboards can support 4 way interleaving
>> > of memory, plus the use of alternate (4 32bit PCI buses, 2 64bit PCI
>> > buses or 2 32bit & 1 64bit PCI buses) bus structure, up to 8 Xeon
>> > CPUs (with cluster controller)... I'm not as interested in the size
>> > of the address space as much as the size of the memory bandwidth and
>> > I/O bus structure...
>>
>> sgi, sun, the former dec all make *much* better high end machines.
>>
>> --
>>J o h a n K u l l s t a m
>>[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Don't Fear the Penguin!
>
>John
>
>--
>John Burton, Ph.D.
>Senior Associate GATS, Inc.
>[EMA
Linux-Misc Digest #338
Linux-Misc Digest #338, Volume #19Sat, 6 Mar 99 20:13:08 EST
Contents:
Re: compiling QT for KDE?? (Gary Momarison)
Re: whoops. fdisk and partition numbering woes. (Tim Moore)
Re: MCSE preparation exams (Raymond Doetjes)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Jason Clifford)
Re: Microkernels are an abstraction inversion (steve mcadams)
Re: Linux Wannabe: which distribution? (David Kirkpatrick)
ATI Rage PRO LT Video Card... ("B. Jay")
Re: Downloading at half the speed under Linux vs NT (mist)
xmgr: how to compute a frequency histogram (Andreas Eisenkolb)
Re: Directory colours in RedHat 5.2 (ozric)
Re: Linux Wannabe: which distribution? (MiragePhotos)
Problem with starting X11-Server+KDE ("Torsten Schmidt.")
Re: best offline newsreader? (Christopher B. Browne)
Re: Linux Wannabe: which distribution? (Rob Clark)
Cant get dynamic IP-Adress at PPP-Dialin ("Torsten Schmidt.")
glibc2.1.x + gnu.org 'political issues'?? (jik-)
Re: Public license question (John Hasler)
Re: C (or Perl?) code to import Excel? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Public license question (Isaac)
From: Gary Momarison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: compiling QT for KDE??
Date: 06 Mar 1999 00:08:45 -0800
chips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
[...]
> *created .profile in my home directory and set all the evironment
> variables per the instructions at ftp://ftp.troll.no/qt/INSTALL
NOTICE: Please request help on comp.os.linux.help or one of the other
linux newsgroups, leaving this one for miscellaneous discussions.
I, for one, am only answering couple of help requests at most per day
on this newsgroup, just for the opportunity to post this notice.
It appears that you didn't "source" the .profile file after changing
it's environmental variables. That would be "source ~/.profile"
or maybe ". ~/.profile" depending on your shell. Doing this changes
the environmental variables of the current shell. Just changing
.profile doesn't do anything until some program (like a shell)
reads it.
The way some people have there .profile written
(like PATH=xxx:yyy:$PATH), sourcing it multiple times might have
nasty consequences so be aware of that. And some people don't use
.profile; just .bashrc or some others.
--
Look for Linux info at http://www.dejanews.com/home_ps.shtml and in
Gary's Encyclopedia at http://www.aa.net/~swear/pedia/index.html
--
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 22:30:49 -0800
From: Tim Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: whoops. fdisk and partition numbering woes.
/dev/hda5 > 5 NT
/dev/hda6 > 6 Linux swap
/dev/hda7 > 7 Linux
...
/dev/hda5 > 5Linux swap
/dev/hda6 > 6Linux
/dev/hda7 > 7(was) NT
o LILO: linux single root=/dev/hd6 initrd=
o In /etc/fstab and /etc/lilo.conf change all /dev/hda6 references to
/dev/hda5. Similarly 7 -> 6 and 5 -> 7.
o Rerun /sbin/lilo.
o Reboot from disk.
Once you get used to it, you'll be splitting and shuffling partitions
without even having to think about it.
--
[Replies: make the double y a single]
"Everything is permitted. Nothing is forbidden."
WS Burroughs.
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From: Raymond Doetjes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: MCSE preparation exams
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 10:39:33 +0100
I agree Tim.
MCSE is just a commercial stunt to make money. They do learn alot but it
is just stupid learning work. They don't learn howto troubleshoot a
problem nor do the really know the background of processes.
They know where to click but that is that. The don't know why things
work the way they do so they probably never go out and ask the right
questions. I think that is the most important thing in the I.T. This way
you can always ask for the help from a person whoms field it is. Most of
the MCSE people I know feel like they are god, but in fact they don't
know ass much as the say they do. ANd instead of asking a question they
just go out and fiddle on their own since they are to pride to ask since
they are MCSE certified. Then again I may have given them the answer
straight away.
Raymond
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From: Jason Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 00:04:43 +
On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, Donn Miller wrote:
> But can you get cable modem access in the UK? If so, how much is it per month?
> Mine (Pittsburgh area, USA) is $39.95 per mo.
No we cannot. The Cable Co.s have annouced the service for release in
*some* areas this summer but they have not released any pricing
information yet.
Also note that historically UK telecoms prices have been far higher than
those in the US.
Jason
Linux-Misc Digest #339
Linux-Misc Digest #339, Volume #19Sat, 6 Mar 99 21:13:08 EST
Contents:
Does Samba enable page/record locking within Linux? ("Jeff R")
Re: 16 Colors Only (David Kirkpatrick)
Re: Cant get dynamic IP-Adress at PPP-Dialin (David Kirkpatrick)
Re: One-way Cable Modem ("tonni")
mount Jaz-partitions (hfs/AUX) on Linux386 (Kristian Orlopp)
G3 PDS card usable? (mac 8100 ppc...with 3rd party accel.) (Jeffrey Buchsbaum)
Re: Exporting Windows filesystem for Linux... (Colin Day)
Re: best offline newsreader? (Richard Steiner)
Re: A LUG in Vermont (Chris Johnson)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Donn Miller)
so, how is gnome 1.0, guys? (steve mcadams)
Re: KDE? Gnome? ... confused (Bill Polhemus)
Re: linux un Virtual PC on a Mac??? (Matt Denton)
Re: Linux Wannabe: which distribution? (TurboTex)
Re: stupid tar question (Paul Hughett)
Re: best offline newsreader? (William Wueppelmann)
Re: Xwindows too BIG (jik-)
svgalib flippin out my keyboard (Ryan McGuigan)
midi files don't seem to play very well (should they?) System - Redhat 5.2, KDE
1.1, AWE32 (Paul-S)
Re: Wanted: linux theme screen background with a rocket by night (Christian Tsotras)
Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing? (Johan Kullstam)
Re: cron + scripts ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: stupid tar question (Johan Kullstam)
Re: Help: Newbie doesn't know where to start with GNOME! (Ned Carlson)
Re: KDE? Gnome? ... confused (Andy Johnson)
Re: UNIX/Linux book request for SysAdms ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
From: "Jeff R" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Does Samba enable page/record locking within Linux?
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 17:01:01 GMT
I'm investigating the feasibility of replacing a Novell 3.2 server with one
running Linux (RedHat 5.2). Netware 3.12 has a 2k page size and the
ability to independently set the maximum number of record locks for both an
individual connection and total locks. From within AUTOEXEC.NCF ...
set maximum record locks per connection = x
set maximum record locks = y
A critical concern: Does Samba have the ability to perform page/record
locking? If so, what is the maximum number of locks per connection as well
as overall? (Is page size 2k?)
Thanks in advance, Jeff
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From: David Kirkpatrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 16 Colors Only
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 11:57:51 +
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What are your depths as listed in /etc/X11/XF86Config?
Paul Davies wrote:
>
> I'm running Red Hat 5.2 with an STB Virge VX graphics card. I cannot get
> the screen to display more 16 colours and I've tried all the different modes
> in xfConfig but to no avail.
>
> Does anyone know of a solution?
>
> Thanks
>
> Paul
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From: David Kirkpatrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Cant get dynamic IP-Adress at PPP-Dialin
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 12:01:35 +
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Post some detail.
"Torsten Schmidt." wrote:
>
> I can´t get dynamic IP-adress on ppp-dialin ?
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From: "tonni" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: One-way Cable Modem
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 14:38:01 GMT
i have gi instruments surfboard s1200 external and i can connect this thing
every where just need a web browser now if you have the gi 1000 internal i
had that but never try it on linux
let me know what kind hardware you have i may help you tonni
Pavel Greenfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hi,
>
> I've got the one-way Cable Modem account from RCN. Has anyone been
> successful in getting it two work with linux?
>
> (One way cable modems shouldn't be any different from Linux's point of
> view, should they?)
>
> Thanks a lot in advance!
>
> Pavel
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From: Kristian Orlopp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.powerpc
Subject: mount Jaz-partitions (hfs/AUX) on Linux386
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 07:28:27 +0100
Hi all specialists!
I have here a Jaz-disk (1 GB) partitioned by pdisk (about the same as
fdisk) by Linux for PPC R4. The partitions are formated like that:
1 -4Apple System Partitions
5hfs
6-8e2fs
As I can no more start and access my Installation of LinuxppcR4 (it
hangs at starting apfd ) due to a configuratuíon-mistake I would like to
get access to this Jaz-disk from my Linux installed on a "normal"
Linux(386)-Box. Unluckily even the partition-table is not recognizd by
Linux386 (SuSE6.0).
The other way I tried was to get acces via the Redhat-installer, but I
could not find a rescue-system (mini-installation on a ram-disk) like in
the SuSE.
Any ides?
Thans a lot in advance
kris
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Linux-Misc Digest #340
Linux-Misc Digest #340, Volume #19Sat, 6 Mar 99 23:13:08 EST
Contents:
Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing? (Johan Kullstam)
Re: Stupid Newbie tricks (Add this to list) (Jim Shaffer, Jr.)
Re: Microkernels are an abstraction inversion (Anthony Ord)
Re: Move to RH 5.2 Linux (John Hasler)
Re: netcape + freshmeat.org then crash? (Jon Sundquist)
comments after #!/bin/sh ? (Mike Coffin)
PCMCIA configuration HELP!! (Raul)
Help - Procmail rulesets ("David C.")
Login timeouts in runlvl. 5 (John David Bowden)
xdm problems - can't shutdown ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
QT build problems ("Geoff Thornton")
Re: Need to capture the 'raw' mouse under X (Kalle Olavi Niemitalo)
Re: More bad news for NT ("Jon Wiest")
mount win95 16 (LBA) (Rulecoyote)
A question about MP3's and Linux (J Crowtz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Can Linux use 36-bit Xeon addressing?
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 06 Mar 1999 17:48:00 -0500
Robert Krawitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "David A. Frantz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > I think you hit on one problem at the very least and that is if you want to
> > get away from I386 you have only one other mass produced platform and that
> > is Apples Mac.When dealling with software I do not think binary
> > compatablity is s big deal for Linux users.After all if you want to run
> > something you can just recompile it.
>
> For better or for worse, the latter statement is not true, and it's
> becoming less and less true. If your goal is to run Oracle, Informix,
> DB/2, Sybase, or what have you, binary compatibility is essential.
true. but to exploit a 36 bit address space in order to use more than
4 GB on a xeon, would require recompiling those applications. so your
program falls into two buckets:
1) something which you can port or find a port of for linux alpha or
sparc solaris &c.
2) something which exists only in binary format on i386 linux.
now in case 1, you can use the 64 bit processor. in case 2, you
can't, but neither can you exploit over 4 GB.
therefore, there is no point in trying to make a far pointer memory
model for linux on the x86. should you need big memory, just use
a 64 bit platform.
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J o h a n K u l l s t a m
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Don't Fear the Penguin!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Shaffer, Jr.)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Stupid Newbie tricks (Add this to list)
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 00:11:14 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 05 Mar 1999 15:10:06 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Tolen) wrote:
>Issuing the 'shutdown now' command from an xterm window while running
>X.
I don't get it. On my system, it does exactly what I'd expect it to do: shut
down the system. Why exit X manually?
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home page: http://woodstock.csrlink.net/~jshaffer
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anthony Ord)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microkernels are an abstraction inversion
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 15:56:25 GMT
On Thu, 04 Mar 1999 00:40:56 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher
Browne) wrote:
>On 02 Mar 1999 22:41:35 -0700, Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne) writes:
>>Or, just design it to use a flat file (which can be arbitrarily
>>interpreted by the OS to mean anything from a disk partition to a
>>clustered, mirrored, interstellar network). Ever heard of KISS?
>
>[Warning: Possible Misunderstanding gap!]
>
>I think you've changed topics to that of "How should a DBMS be
>implemented?"
>
>Which is a pretty gaping change of topics.
>
>If so, I *don't* agree that "just using a flat file" is going to cut it;
>SQL may be ugly, and there may be decent isomorphisms to get *some*
>queries to map to requesting data from what *look* like flat files.
>
>But flat files *don't* give you O(log_p N) (where N is the number of
>records, and p is the number of records that fit on a page) access time
>like B-Trees do, or O(1) like hash tables provide.
The thing is, they look like flat files, but they needn't be. You
could have a record for a sale, with the customer number, name,
address etc in. You change the customer number, and lo!-and-behold!
the name & address change in this "flat file" database.
After all, that's what queries are there for, to convert multiple
tables into one flat file, which is then printed out to a strict
deadline to be forgotten about.
>And fast, robust multi-user access to large amounts of data *does*
>legitimately require the use of schemes that will involve a database
>manager server. KISS is what gets people things like MS Access,
No. SUCK is what gets people stuff like Access.
>which
>stick
