Linux-Misc Digest #330
Linux-Misc Digest #330, Volume #24Mon, 1 May 00 01:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux Journal Python supplement (John Scudder)
ext2_free_inode: bit already cleared ... (Hal Burgiss)
Re: true type fonts in linux (Alastair Neil)
Idiot desktop question ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Running SCO version of Progress DB under linux (Dennis Marti)
question about linux distributions (Michel Arcenault)
Re: linux installation problem (Leonard Evens)
Re: Difference between Mandrake 7.0 and RedHat 6.2 ("Richard M. Sugg")
Has anyone gotten support from Corel?? (Frank Pittel)
Re: Corel Linux "make install"??? (Christopher Browne)
Re: database ("Spartacus")
Re: Can't get 8.1.5 to install on Linux (Dowe Keller)
Re: Corel Linux "make install"??? (Dowe Keller)
Re: Idiot desktop question (Dances With Crows)
Re: true type fonts in linux ("Lam Dang")
Re: true type fonts in linux ("JDeg")
Re: crontab hates me (Dowe Keller)
Numlock ("Andrew J. Hesford")
Re: Numlock (Hal Burgiss)
Re: es1371? (Janet)
From: John Scudder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Journal Python supplement
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 21:47:05 -0500
Allen Ashley wrote:
> John Scudder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >Yes, I thought that was a little unusual for Linux Journal...
> >In keeping with the general Monty Python theme..the cover is from the 70's TV
> >series opening where a similarly attired Michael Palin said " It's" and
> >then the Monty Python theme started.
>
> My recollection is the piano player was Terry Jones.
You're correct...the segment I was thinking of was a bearded, smoldering Palin
saying "It's..." right after being blown up.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hal Burgiss)
Subject: ext2_free_inode: bit already cleared ...
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 02:11:39 GMT
Anybody have a clue what this is and what to do about it?
Apr 30 04:24:43 localhost kernel: EXT2-fs warning (device ide0(3,4)):
ext2_free_inode: bit already cleared for inode 191778
Apr 30 04:24:43 localhost kernel: EXT2-fs warning (device ide0(3,4)):
ext2_free_blocks: bit already cleared for block 811296
Apr 30 04:24:43 localhost kernel: EXT2-fs warning (device ide0(3,4)):
ext2_free_inode: bit already cleared for inode 191782
Apr 30 04:24:43 localhost kernel: EXT2-fs warning (device ide0(3,4)):
ext2_free_blocks: bit already cleared for block 811291
Apr 30 04:24:43 localhost kernel: EXT2-fs warning (device ide0(3,4)):
ext2_free_inode: bit already cleared for inode 191777
I have a weekly cron job that copies my root partition to a backup
partition (both on IDE0/hda). I get these with each run. I ran e2fsck last
week, which found and fixed some errors. But evidently not permaneantly.
I aslo I am having trouble umounting my root partion for maintenance.
Usually:
#init 1
#umount -a
#mount -n -o remount,ro /
works, but today all I get is 'mount: / device busy'. Tried it a zillion
times. I occasionally get this for various partitions on shutdown too.
Seems to come and go, but now I'd like it to just go. This is updated RH6.2
with 2.2.15pre9 kernel.
TIA
--
Hal B
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Alastair Neil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: true type fonts in linux
Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 02:18:32 GMT
Gary wrote:
>
> Anyone who can help will be a saviour i have redhat linux version 6.2 and
> need to use true type fonts is this possible and if so how
>
> --
> Posted via CNET Help.com
> http://www.help.com/
There is a true-type X font server called xfstt you should be able
find on freshmeat. Also RH 6.2 comes with freetype "a free and
portable TrueType font rendering engine".
--
Those who are mentally and emotionally healthy are those who have
learned
when to say yes, when to say no and when to say whoopee. -- W.S. Krabill
Alastair Neil
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Idiot desktop question
Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 02:18:31 GMT
I played with Linux Suse KDE for the first time yesterday. Within
minutes, in my own imbecilic way, I had activated a command that sent
cockroaches crawling all over the screen. Now I can't find the menu
that turned them on -- or how to turn them off!
Help?
Please?
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Dennis Marti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Running SCO version of Progress DB under linux
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:39:47 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> I have a licensed version of Progress for the SCO Open Desktop platform
> that is sitting on a shelf collecting dust and am interested in
> installing and running it under one of the Linux dist's. I have access
> to most of the Linux dist's all installed on different disk images.
> Has any one had success in installing and r
Linux-Misc Digest #329
Linux-Misc Digest #329, Volume #24 Sun, 30 Apr 00 22:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Linux Counter: 143272 registered Linux users ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: hosts.lpd wildcards / was:remote printing... (ljb)
Re: true type fonts in linux (Olav Fossgaard)
Re: How to set up an ftp server? ("David ..")
question about Windows Linux (David Punsalan)
Re: Mp3 Player for Car (mekros)
linux installation problem (sourire)
linux installation problem with Xwindows (sourire)
Re: true type fonts in linux (Hal Burgiss)
Re: Good Contact Manager for Linux (root)
Re: How do I shutdown my PC? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
recompiling the kernel ("SMan")
Corel Linux "make install"??? ("Carlos Alves")
Re: X locks up solid, what can I do ?! HELP !!! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Kernel Build Problem for NFSD ("Keith Smith")
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Linux Counter: 143272 registered Linux users
Date: 1 May 2000 01:00:02 GMT
This is the monthly report from the Linux Usage Counter.
It is posted on the 1st of every month on the newsgroup
comp.os.linux.misc, and on the Linux Counter "announce" list.
Registration and information is available via the World
Wide Web; connect to URL http://counter.li.org/
This is the preferred interface to the counter.
NOTE: You can UPDATE your record in the counter if you have
your registration key, which was sent to you when you registered.
EMAIL:
To enter your registration into the statistics, send an E-mail to
[EMAIL PROTECTED], with the SUBJECT line containing the word "Linux",
such as:
I use Linux at home
I use Linux at work
I use Linux at school
Any questions should be adressed to the maintainer of the counter,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Good luck!
=
This is the Linux Counter summary as of Sun Apr 30 17:09:28 2000
There are 143272 persons registerd.
3023 users have been registered by friends.
There are 75216 machines registered.
I guesstimate that between 0.2% and 5% of all Linux users have
registered with the Linux Counter.
So the total number of Linux users is probably between
2,865,440 and 71,636,000 people.
WHERE LINUX USERS LIVE
The table is sorted by number of Linux users divided by population
NoCountry Pers Fri Mach P/Mpop Mpop
==
1 IS Iceland2074 96 765.80.3
2 NO Norway3130 49 1375 714.04.4
3 FI Finland 3142 55 1614 615.45.1
4 DK Denmark 3053 17 1145 581.65.2
5 SE Sweden4859 60 2283 545.98.9
6 AQ Antarctica 200 486.00.0
7 NF Norfolk Island 100 452.70.0
8 FO Faroe Islands 1802 410.40.0
9 EE Estonia507 16 308 347.41.5
10 SI Slovenia 6338 164 324.42.0
11 GI Gibraltar81 11 278.10.0
12 NL Netherlands 3713 51 1856 238.5 15.6
13 MS Montserrat 301 234.90.0
14 CA Canada6028 83 3073 209.2 28.8
15 AT Austria 1674 31 915 208.68.0
16 LU Luxembourg 800 38 192.40.4
17 AU Australia 3239 50 1821 177.4 18.3
18 NZ New Zealand6093 371 171.63.5
19 US USA 44177 832 22117 165.8 266.5
20 CH Switzerland 1155 16 699 160.37.2
21 IE Ireland5405 248 151.43.6
22 BE Belgium 1504 525 771 147.9 10.2
23 HU Hungary 1312 48 730 131.2 10.0
24 MC Monaco 413 126.10.0
25 DE Germany 10246 187 5322 122.7 83.5
26 CY Cyprus 870 12 116.80.7
27 PT Portugal 9 327 112.69.9
28 SG Singapore 3757 146 110.43.4
29 GL Greenland601 103.10.1
30 ES Spain 3843 32 1072 98.1 39.2
31 GB Great Britain 5733 109 2926 98.0 58.5
32 AD Andorra 706 96.20.1
33 FR France5476 111 2212 93.9 58.3
34 IL Israel 502 13 236 92.65.4
35 KR Korea (South) 4197 19 457 92.3 45.5
36 PL Poland3297 55 1428 85.3 38.6
37 VG Virgin Islands (British) 100 75.80.0
38 CZ Czech Republic 724 21 415 70.1 10.3
39 LI Liechtenstein203 64.30.0
40 BG
Linux-Misc Digest #328
Linux-Misc Digest #328, Volume #24 Sun, 30 Apr 00 21:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Kill command ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Linux ps (Robert Heller)
Re: Linux Samba Problem... (Sky Cree)
Re: Difference between set and export?
Re: es1371? ("David ..")
Re: es1371? (Alex Kaufman)
Re: Linux woes (Compaq for one) on the horizon (Yanglong Zhu)
Re: Does anybody know a gzip-compressor in hardware ? (Andre Beck)
how to define a system call? (Steven)
true type fonts in linux (Gary)
Re: Linux woes (Compaq for one) on the horizon (Todd Knarr)
Re: Mp3 Player for Car (Adrian Noland)
Re: Difference between set and export? ("Peter T. Breuer")
How to set up an ftp server? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: How do I shutdown my PC? (Tandem Guy)
Re: how to define a system call? (Ben Walker)
Re: How do I shutdown my PC? ("Nathan Woodhull")
rebooting wipes loopback interface (lo) (Duane Evenson)
Running SCO version of Progress DB under linux (Uri Chamish)
Re: true type fonts in linux (Steffen Kluge)
Re: Linux woes (Compaq for one) on the horizon (Steffen Kluge)
Re: Mp3 Player for Car (Tim Hockin)
cannot remove `/home/jimmy/.gnome//gmc-fHdvBX (Jimmy Navarro)
Re: Backing up GNOME configuration files ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Passing data to an running application (Penpal International)
From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.dev.kernel,linux,ucla.classes.cs.cs111
Subject: Re: Kill command
Date: 30 Apr 2000 22:20:47 GMT
Steven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Hi,
: Under Redhat 6.0 GNOME, I opened up several terminals. On one terminal
: I typed "ps" to view all the running processes (I switched to su). Then
: I tried to kill one of the command:
: /sbin/mingetty tty6
: but when I "ps" again, this command shows up under a different pid.
Sure. It's respawned from init. It's the "login prompt" on an unused
console.
: What command is this? This doesn't seem like a command when I try to
man getty.
: When I type "ps" in a terminal not in su mode, a different list of
: processes are shown; I don't see commands such as the one above, why is
: this?
man ps.
: Also, do I need to be in supervisor mode to kill another shell process?
No. You can always kill processes that belong to you.
Peter
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux ps
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:31:13 GMT
Galen Menzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
In a message on Sun, 30 Apr 2000 13:37:17 -0500, wrote :
GM> "Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
GM>
GM> > Man ps? The "w" option?
GM>
GM> Great! Another one of those wacky linux "features". Thanks, Peter.
No wackier than DEC Unix, Ultrix, SunOS, *BSD.
GM>
GM> galen
GM>
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From: Sky Cree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Linux Samba Problem...
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 15:37:06 -0700
>
did you read ENCRYPTION.txt?
I have had the same problems with setting up my samba server.
Did you create the smbpasswd file? It explains how in ENCRYPTION.txt.
You have to decide if you want to use encrypted passwords or plain text.
Provided with the samba source are some registry settings for plain text
that can be installed.
the login and password that you are using through your win98 box must
be in the smbpasswd file.
Try the samba faq, somewhere in there it explains what the IPC$ is.
>
>
> -Problems
> 1. What is mean by "IPC$" ?
> 2. In Windows 98, I can see the linux server in network neighborhood,
> but when I click on it, it prompts me to enter a password for
> \\Linux\IPC$ to make connection. I never set any password in the Linux
> Samba server, why this happened?
>
> Can anybody know how to solve the problems? Thanks for any helps!
>
> Mark.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Difference between set and export?
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:45:07 GMT
In article <8ei3s5$6vp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Karsten Wutzke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>: I've just asked that question in one of the German newsgroups, but all I
>: have received so far was "man bash" Shell Builin Commands, which is like
>: not having answered at all. Since I'm quite new to Linux and managed to
>
> That's a perfectly good answer, so what's your problem with it? If you aren't
> specific about the reading problem you have here, you can't expect us to help you
> with it. Which word do you not understand? "local"? "global"? "option"?
>
> Set and export aren't even vaguely comparable. You are asking for
Linux-Misc Digest #327
Linux-Misc Digest #327, Volume #24 Sun, 30 Apr 00 19:13:04 EDT Contents: Linux Frequently Asked Questions with Answers (Part 6 of 6) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Crossposted-To: news.answers,comp.answers Subject: Linux Frequently Asked Questions with Answers (Part 6 of 6) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 18:36:39 GMT Archive-Name: linux/faq/part6 URL: http://www.mainmatter.com/ Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Posting-Frequency: weekly Last-modified: 04/30/2000 english.au or swedish.au from ftp.funet.fi/pub/Linux/PEOPLE/Linus/SillySounds/. If you have a sound card or the PC-speaker audio driver you can hear them by typing cat english.au >/dev/audio The difference isn't in the pronunciation of Linux but in the language Linus uses to say, ``hello.'' For the benefit of those who don't have the equipment or inclination: Linus pronounces Linux approximately as Leenus, where the ``ee'' is pronounced as in ``feet,'' but rather shorter, and the ``u'' is like a much shorter version of the French ``eu'' sound in ``peur'' (pronouncing it as the ``u'' in ``put'' is probably passable). _ 9.11. Where Is the Linux Food Page? It's at http://members.xoom.com/gnulix_guy/geek-gourmet/. It contains recipes for dishes like Fusili Chicken Marinara, Speedy Guacamole, and Idiot-proof pilaf, as well as hints for cooking things in a hurry. At the time of this writing, no recipes for penguin, though. _ 9.12. Where Can I Find Out about Free Software Projects? The Free Software Bazaar lists current openings to do work on free software projects, and tells how to sponsor free software projects and how to make money writing free software. Its URL is http://www.csustan.edu/bazaar/. _ 10. Frequently Encountered Error Messages 10.1. Modprobe Can't Locate Module, XXX, and Similar Messages. These types of messages mostly occur at boot time or shutdown. If modprobe, insmod, or rmmod complain about not being able to find a module, add the following to the /etc/modules.conf or /etc/modutils/aliases file, whichever is present on your system. alias off And use the name of the module that appears in the error message. [J.H.M. Dassen] _ 10.2. Unknown Terminal Type ``linux'' and Similar. In early kernels the default console terminal type has changed from ``console'' to ``linux.'' You must edit /etc/termcap to change the line reading: console|con80x25:\ to linux|console|con80x25:\ (there may be an additional ``dumb'' in there--if so it should be removed.) To get the editor to work you may need say TERM=console (for bash and ksh), or setenv TERM console for csh or tcsh. Some programs use /usr/lib/terminfo instead of /etc/termcap. For these programs you should upgrade your terminfo package, which is part of ncurses. The same is true for X terminal displays. If your distribution sets the TERM to something strange like xterm-24-color, you can simply reset it to a generic value from the command line: # TERM="xterm"; export TERM _ 10.3. INET: Warning: old style ioctl... called! You are trying to use the old network configuration utilities. The new ones can be found on ftp.linux.org.uk/pub/linux/Networking/PROGRAMS/NetTools/ (source only, I'm afraid). Note that they cannot be used just like the old-style programs. See the NET-2 HOWTO for instructions on how to set up the old-style networking programs correctly. Even better, see the NET-3 HOWTO and upgrade your networking software. _ 10.4. ld: unrecognized option '-m486' You have an old version of ld. Install a newer binutils package--this will contain an updated ld. Look on tsx-11.mit.edu in /pub/linux/packages/GCC/ for binutils-2.6.0.2.bin.tar.gz. _ 10.5. GCC says, ``Internal compiler error.'' If the fault is repeatable (i.e., it always happens at the same place in the same file--even after rebooting and trying again, using a stable kernel) you have discovered a bug in GCC. See the GCC Info documentation (type F1-i in Emacs, and select GCC from the menu) for details on how to report the error--make sure you have the latest version, though. Note that this is probably not a Linux-specific problem. Unless you are compiling a program many other Linux users also compile, you
Linux-Misc Digest #325
Linux-Misc Digest #325, Volume #24 Sun, 30 Apr 00 19:13:04 EDT Contents: Linux Frequently Asked Questions with Answers (Part 5 of 6) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Crossposted-To: news.answers,comp.answers Subject: Linux Frequently Asked Questions with Answers (Part 5 of 6) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 18:35:56 GMT Archive-Name: linux/faq/part5 URL: http://www.mainmatter.com/ Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Posting-Frequency: weekly Last-modified: 04/30/2000 8.7. How Do I Get Dial-up PPP to Work? This information is mainly for people who do not have a wrapper utility like kppp or pppconfig, or are not able to get those utilities to work correctly. If you need to manually configure PPP to dial in to your ISP, you will need the following information: * The port that your modem is connected to: /dev/ttyS0--/dev/ttyS3, which correspond to COM1-COM4 under MS-DOS. * The phone number of your ISP's data connection. * The user name and password that your ISP gave you. * The IP addresses of the primary and possibly secondary Domain Name Service that you will use when dialing in to the ISP. This assumes that you will not be using a DNS that you installed on your system. When you have all of this information, make sure that the programs pppd and chat, at the very minimum, are installed correctly. In most current distributions, they are installed in the /usr/sbin/ directory, and you will need to be logged in as root to use them. In addition, the following programs are also useful for configuring network connections, determining network status, and diagnosing problems: /sbin/ifconfig, /sbin/route, /bin/ping, /usr/sbin/traceroute. These are the basic steps that you need to follow to configure PPP. You must be logged in as root. * Make sure that the serial port and modem are operating correctly. Using a program like minicomm or kermit, you should be able to send AT commands to the modem and receive the OK string in response from the modem. * Enter the primary and possibly secondary Domain Name Server IP addresses in the /etc/resolv.conf file, using dotted quad notation, with the nameserver label. For example: order hosts,bind nameserver 199.182.101.103 nameserver 199.182.101.104 This tells your networking software, when it resolves network domain addresses, to first look in the /etc/hosts file, and then use the bind service; i.e., the DNS servers, which are specified on the lines that begin with nameserver. * Locate the chat script that PPP will use to dial the modem and connect to your ISP. In many systems, this is either in the /etc/chatscripts or /etc/ppp directory, and will be called provider or something similar. You can store a chat script anywhere, provided that you tell pppd to use it rather than the default script. Refer to the chat and pppd manual pages, and the information below, for details. Here is a sample chat script: ABORTBUSY ABORT"NO CARRIER" ABORTVOICE ABORT"NO DIALTONE" "" ATDT ogin word This is a chat program for a simple, script based login. The chat program uses the pair of strings on each line as a match/response pair. When it starts, it sends the string ``ATDTyour_isp's_phone_number,'' where you have substituted the actual phone number of course. It then waits for the string ogin (a substring of the word login) and sends your user name. It then waits for word (a substring of password) and sends your password. If your ISP uses a different login and password prompts, and any additional prompts, you will need to edit the script accordingly. Again, refer to the chat manual page for details. If your ISP uses PAP or CHAP authentication, you will need to edit the pap-secrets or chap-secrets files in /etc/ppp directory as well. Refer to the manual pages for these files, as well as the instruction in the files themselves. * The configuration of pppd, the program that maintains the actual connection, is usually contained in two or three separate files. The first is usually /etc/ppp/options, which contains options that all of your system's PPP connections will use. (Yes, you can have more than one; as many as your computer has serial ports, generally.) Here is a sample /etc/ppp/options file: # /etc/ppp/options asyncmap 0 auth crtscts lock noipx # -- The options may be given on one line or each on a separate line. Many options files are much longer, and come with a description of each option. Here, the options mean, in order,
Linux-Misc Digest #326
Linux-Misc Digest #326, Volume #24 Sun, 30 Apr 00 19:13:04 EDT Contents: sony memorystick download under linux (Jon Stahl) sony memorystick download under linux (Jon Stahl) Re: Kppp and modem busy message (John Todd) Re: Linux ps (Yan Seiner) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.development.apps Subject: sony memorystick download under linux From: Jon Stahl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:19:12 GMT Hi, Anyone know of a way to download images from the sony handycam serial port adapter (msac-sr1) under linux. You plug a memory stick into the adapter and run "picturegear" software under win95/98 normally. This is the last thing in the world that I boot win98 for, and I'd like to stop doing it ... Thanks, Jon Stahl -- Subject: sony memorystick download under linux From: Jon Stahl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:21:02 GMT Hi, Anyone know of a way to download images from the sony handycam serial port adapter (msac-sr1) under linux. You plug a memory stick into the adapter and run "picturegear" software under win95/98 normally. This is the last thing in the world that I boot win98 for, and I'd like to stop doing it ... Thanks, Jon Stahl -- From: John Todd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake,comp.os.linux.setup Subject: Re: Kppp and modem busy message Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 13:32:25 -0700 Possibly an IRQ conflict? If your modem is on ttyS2, you will need to change the IRQ, since the standard is irq3 which is also what ttyS0 uses. I changed mine to 5, with: setserial /dev/ttyS2 irq 5 Read man setserial. n Fri, 28 Apr 2000, Terence J. Golightly wrote: >Hi, > >I have an annoying problem that I hope somebody on this list can help me >with. I am using mandrake 6.0 with kernel 2.2.13. I am using kppp to >connect to my ISP. This fails to work on many occasions. I select the >connect button when in kppp and get a popup message : > >Looking for modem > >then > >Sorry modem is busy. > >during this interval, I notice that the software attempts to initialize >the modem but the TR light doesn't flash. Does this have something to >do with mgetty not loaded into memory? Any suggestions? Sometimes I >can reset the modem using minicom and then kppp works. Not an elegant >solution. Please respond directly as I have cross posted to several >group. I will attempt to summarize any help I have received. > >Thanks > >Terry > >-- ><--> ><-Terence J.Golightly--> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ><--> -- From: Yan Seiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Linux ps Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 18:32:28 -0400 Not wacky. Just a reasonable assumption; it you don't know what the terminal looks like, assume 80 columns. That way, the display does not get all bolixed up. --Yan Galen Menzel wrote: > > "Peter T. Breuer" wrote: > > > Man ps? The "w" option? > > Great! Another one of those wacky linux "features". Thanks, Peter. > > galen -- ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.misc) via: Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: ftp.funet.fipub/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Misc Digest **
Linux-Misc Digest #324
Linux-Misc Digest #324, Volume #24 Sun, 30 Apr 00 19:13:04 EDT Contents: es1371? (Janet) URGENT - PPP Autodial when I start netscape ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Kill command (Steven) From: Janet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: es1371? Date: 30 Apr 2000 15:08:04 -0700 Hi, I have a Soundblaster card which cat /proc/pci says has an es1371 chipset. I am able to load the es1371 kernel module fine, but no sound comes out. When I run xmms, it looks like it's playing about 50 times as fast as it should be, but there's still no sound. I can't get sound from the CD player either, which is sort of weird. Both the soundcard and the cd player work fine under windows though. Any ideas? Thanks, Janet -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: URGENT - PPP Autodial when I start netscape Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 21:57:22 GMT Hello, I am Flavio and I have a problem with PPP protocol. I can connect on my ISP with a manual dial,(connection with dinamic IP) an it work O.K.,bat when I start netscape, PPP not start automatically to connect on internet. How I can fix my problem? It si very important to me. Tanks Flavio Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. -- From: Steven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Crossposted-To: linux.dev.kernel,linux,ucla.classes.cs.cs111 Subject: Kill command Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 15:17:31 -0700 Hi, Under Redhat 6.0 GNOME, I opened up several terminals. On one terminal I typed "ps" to view all the running processes (I switched to su). Then I tried to kill one of the command: /sbin/mingetty tty6 but when I "ps" again, this command shows up under a different pid. What command is this? This doesn't seem like a command when I try to type it at a shell. I suspect that this command only appears on the "ps" list when one of the terminal is in supervisor mode. When I type "ps" in a terminal not in su mode, a different list of processes are shown; I don't see commands such as the one above, why is this? Also, do I need to be in supervisor mode to kill another shell process? Thanks, Steven -- Remove nospam -- Remove nospam -- ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.misc) via: Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: ftp.funet.fipub/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Misc Digest **
Linux-Misc Digest #323
Linux-Misc Digest #323, Volume #24 Sun, 30 Apr 00 18:13:02 EDT Contents: Linux Frequently Asked Questions with Answers (Part 4 of 6) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Crossposted-To: news.answers,comp.answers Subject: Linux Frequently Asked Questions with Answers (Part 4 of 6) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 18:35:16 GMT Archive-Name: linux/faq/part4 URL: http://www.mainmatter.com/ Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Posting-Frequency: weekly Last-modified: 04/30/2000 architecture-specific asm directory--if you have a freshly unpacked kernel source tree, you must make symlinks. You'll also find that you may need to do `make config' in a newly-unpacked kernel source tree, to create linux/autoconf.h. _ 6.11. I Get Errors when I Try to Compile the Kernel. See the previous question regarding the header files. Remember that when you apply a patch to the kernel, you must use the ``-p0'' or ``-p1'' option: otherwise, the patch may be misapplied. See the patch manual page for details. ``ld: unrecognized option `-qmagic''' means that you should get a newer linker, from ftp://tsx-11.mit.edu/pub/linux/packages/GCC/, in the file binutils-2.8.1.0.1.bin.tar.gz. _ 6.12. How Do I Make a Shared Library? For ELF, gcc -fPIC -c *.c gcc -shared -Wl,-soname,libfoo.so.1 -o libfoo.so.1.0 *.o For a.out, get tools-n.nn.tar.gz from tsx-11.mit.edu/pub/linux/packages/GCC/src/. It comes with documentation that will tell you what to do. Note that a.out shared libraries are a very tricky business. Consider upgrading your libraries to ELF shared libraries. See the ELF HOWTO, at ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/ _ 6.13. My Executables Are (Very) Large. With an ELF compiler (``What's All This about ELF? glibc?''), the most common cause of large executables is the lack of an appropriate .so library link for one of the libraries you're using. There should be a link like libc.so for every library like libc.so.5.2.18. With an a.out compiler the most common cause of large executables is the -g linker (compiler) flag. This produces (as well as debugging information in the output file) a program which is statically linked--one which includes a copy of the C library instead of a dynamically linked copy. Other things worth investigating are -O and -O2, which enable optimization (check the GCC documentation), and -s (or the strip command) which strip the symbol information from the resulting binary (making debugging totally impossible). You may wish to use -N on very small executables (less than 8K with the -N), but you shouldn't do this unless you understand its performance implications, and definitely never with daemons. _ 6.14. Does Linux Support Threads or Lightweight Processes? As well as the Unix multiprocessing model involving heavyweight processes, which is of course part of the standard Linux kernel, there are several implementations of lightweight processes or threads. Recent kernels implement a thread model, kthreads. In addition, there are the following packages available for Linux. * GNU glibc2 for Linux has optional support for threads. The archive is available from the same place as glibc2, ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/ * In sipb.mit.edu:/pub/pthread/ or ftp.ibp.fr:/pub/unix/threads/pthreads. Documentation isn't in the package, but is available on the World Wide Web at http://www.mit.edu:8001/people/proven/home_page.html. Newer Linux libc's contain the pthreads source. The GNU Ada compiler on ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/devel/lang/ada/gnat-3.01-linux+el f.tar.gz contains binaries made from that source code. * In ftp://ftp.cs.washington.edu:/pub/qt-001.tar.Z is QuickThreads. More information can be found in the technical report, available on the same site is /tr/1993/05/UW-CSE-93-05-06.PS.Z. * In gummo.doc.ic.ac.uk/rex/ is lwp, a very minimal implementation. * In ftp://ftp.cs.fsu.edu:/pub/PART/, an Ada implementation. This is useful mainly because it has a lot of Postscript papers that you'll find useful in learning more about threads. This is not directly usable under Linux. Please contact the authors of the packages in question for details. _ 6.15. Where Can I Get lint for Linux? Roughly equivalent functionality is built into GCC. Use the -Wall option to turn on most of the useful extra warnings.
Linux-Misc Digest #320
Linux-Misc Digest #320, Volume #24 Sun, 30 Apr 00 18:13:02 EDT Contents: Linux Frequently Asked Questions with Answers (Part 1 of 6) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Crossposted-To: news.answers,comp.answers Subject: Linux Frequently Asked Questions with Answers (Part 1 of 6) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 18:33:12 GMT Archive-Name: linux/faq/part1 URL: http://www.mainmatter.com/ Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Posting-Frequency: weekly Last-modified: 04/30/2000 Linux Frequently Asked Questions with Answers This is the list of Frequently Asked Questions for Linux, the free, POSIX compatible operating system kernel that runs on many modern computer systems. Linux uses free, GNU system utilities and application software, although commercial programs are available also. Originally written for 386/486/586 Intel/ISA bus machines, Linux versions exist for Alpha, Sparc, MIPS, ARM, 680x0, PPC, and many other platforms. (``What is Linux?'') This FAQ is meant to be read in conjunction with the Linux Documentation Project's HOWTO series. (``Where Can I Get Linux Material by FTP?'' and, ``Where Can I Get the HOWTO's and Other Documentation?'') The INFO-SHEET and META-FAQ also list sources of Linux information. Please read them, and, ``You Still Haven't Answered My Question!'' before posting to a Usenet news group. You can also get Postscript, HTML, and SGML versions of this document. (``Formats in Which This FAQ Is Available.'') _ Table of Contents 1. Introduction and General Information 1.1. What is Linux? 1.2. Where Do I Start? 1.3. What Software Does Linux Support? 1.4. Does Linux Run on My Computer? What Hardware Is Supported? 1.5. What Ports to Other Processors Are There? 1.6. How Much Hard Disk Space Does Linux Need? 1.7. How Much Memory Does Linux Need? 1.8. How Much Memory Can Linux Use? 1.9. Does Linux Support the USB Bus? 1.10. Is Linux Public Domain? Copyrighted? 1.11. Is Linux *nix? 2. Topics of Current Interest. 2.1. What Resources Are There for Linux DeCSS and Other Open Source DVD Software? 2.2. Where Can I Find Out About Linux and the Millennium (Y2K) Bug? 2.3. How Is the DocBook Version of the FAQ Produced? 3. Network Sources and Resources 3.1. Where Can I Get the Latest Kernel Version? 3.2. Where Can I Get the HOWTO's and Other Documentation? 3.3. Where Should I Look on the World Wide Web for Linux Stuff? 3.4. What News Groups Are There for Linux? 3.5. What Other FAQ's Are There for Linux? 3.6. Where Can I Get Linux Material by FTP? 3.7. I Don't Have FTP Access. Where Do I Get Linux? 3.8. I Don't Have Usenet Access. Where Do I Get Information? 3.9. What Mailing Lists Are There? 3.10. Where Are Linux Legal Issues Discussed? 3.11. Are the News Groups Archived Anywhere? 3.12. Where Can I Find Out About Security Related Issues? 4. Compatibility with Other Operating Systems 4.1. Can Linux Share My Disk with DOS? OS/2? 386BSD? Win95? 4.2. How Do I Access Files on My DOS Partition Or Floppy? 4.3. Does Linux Support Compressed Ext2 file Systems? 4.4. Can I Use My Stacked/DBLSPC/Etc. DOS Drive? 4.5. Can I Access OS/2 HPFS Partitions from Linux? 4.6. Can Linux Access Amiga File Systems? 4.7. Can Linux Access BSD, SysV, Etc. UFS? 4.8. Can Linux Access SMB File Systems? 4.9. Can Linux Access Macintosh File Systems? 4.10. Can I Run Microsoft Windows Programs under Linux? 4.11. Where Can I Get Information about NFS Compatibility? 4.12. Can I Use True Type Fonts with Linux? 4.13. How Can I Boot Linux from MS-DOS? 4.14. How Can I Boot Linux from OS/2's Boot Manager? 5. File Systems, Disks, and Drives 5.1. How Can I Get Linux to Work with My Disk? 5.2. How Can I Undelete Files?
Linux-Misc Digest #321
Linux-Misc Digest #321, Volume #24 Sun, 30 Apr 00 18:13:02 EDT Contents: Linux Frequently Asked Questions with Answers (Part 2 of 6) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Crossposted-To: news.answers,comp.answers Subject: Linux Frequently Asked Questions with Answers (Part 2 of 6) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 18:33:54 GMT Archive-Name: linux/faq/part2 URL: http://www.mainmatter.com/ Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Posting-Frequency: weekly Last-modified: 04/30/2000 _ 3. Network Sources and Resources 3.1. Where Can I Get the Latest Kernel Version? Make that versions. The 2.0. series kernels are still available for older machines. Following Linus's even/odd versioning scheme, the latest production kernel is 2.2.x. The updates to this kernel are bug fixes. Active development is proceeding on the 2.3.x versions of the kernel, and a feature freeze has recently been announced for the 2.4 series production kernels. Linux kernel version 2.2. was released on January 25, and a bug fix version 2.2.1 was released several days later. New versions are always being released. The kernel contains numerous improvements in features and performance compared to the kernel versions 2.0.x. Among the 2.2 kernel's many improvements are a video frame buffer, faster (although bigger) memory management, support for more hardware devices, improved security, and improved POSIX compatibility. The Linux kernel, in many of these instances, is superior to commercial OS's. To read more about the features in kernel version 2.2.x, the unofficial, draft press releases are located at http://www.tip.net.au/~edlang/linux/linux2.2pr.html. If you want to download the source code, FTP to ftp.xx.kernel.org, where "xx" is the two-letter Internet domain abbreviation of your country; e.g., "us" for United States, "ca" for Canada, or "de" for Germany. Kernel versions 2.2.x are archived in the directory pub/linux/kernel/v2.2, as are patches for the prerelease versions. The kernel source code is archived as a .tar.gz file, and as a .tar.bz2 file. Follow the instructions in any of the standard references to compile the 2.2 kernel, as you would with any other custom kernel. The Documentation subdirectory also contains information by the authors of various subsystems and drivers, and much of that information is not documented elsewhere. If you want to participate in kernel development, the latest 2.3 version kernels are available from ftp.kernel.org as well. Make sure you sign on to the linux-kernel mailing list to find out what people are working on. (``What Mailing Lists Are There?'') There is a story about the features of the 2.4 series kernels at http://features.linuxtoday.com/stories/8191.html. _ 3.2. Where Can I Get the HOWTO's and Other Documentation? Look in the following places, and the sites that mirror them. * http://www.linuxdoc.org/ * ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/OS/Linux/doc/HOWTO/ * ftp://tsx-11.mit.edu/pub/linux/docs/HOWTO/ * ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/ For a list of Linux FTP sites, see, (``Where Can I Get Linux Material by FTP?'') If you don't have access to FTP, try the FTP-by-mail servers at mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. A complete list of HOWTO's and Mini-HOWTO's is available in the file HOWTO-INDEX in the docs/HOWTO directory at the FTP sites, and on the Web at http://www.linuxdoc.org/, but here is a (probably incomplete) list of topics: 3Dfx AI-Alife AX25 Access Alpha Assembly Bash Prompt Belgian Benchmarking Beowulf BootPrompt Bootdisk Busmouse CD Writing CDROM CVS RCS Chinese Commercial Config Consultants Cyrillic DNS DOS/Win to Linux DOSEMU Danish Diskless Distribution Ecology Emacs Beginner Emacspeak Esperanto Ethernet Finnish Firewall Framebuffer Ftape GCC German Glibc2 HOWTO Hardware Compatibility Hebrew Hellenic INFO-SHEET IP Masquerade IPCHAINS IPX IR ISP Hookup Ingres II Installation Intranet Server Italian Java-CGI Jaz Drive Kernel KickStart Keyboard and Console Kiosk LDAP Large Disk LinuxDoc+Emacs+Ispell META-FAQ Loopback Encrypted File System MGR MILO MIPS MP3 Mail Mail User Modem Majordomo and MajorCool Multi-Disk Multicast Mutt GnuPGP Networking NIS Networking Overview Optical Disk Online Troubleshooting Resources Oracle PCI PCMCIA PLIP Install PPP PalmOS Plug and Play Parallel Processing Polish Portuguese PostgreSQL Printing Printing Usage Quake Reading List Root RAID SCSI Programming SMB SMP SRM Security Serbian
Linux-Misc Digest #322
Linux-Misc Digest #322, Volume #24 Sun, 30 Apr 00 18:13:02 EDT Contents: Linux Frequently Asked Questions with Answers (Part 3 of 6) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Crossposted-To: news.answers,comp.answers Subject: Linux Frequently Asked Questions with Answers (Part 3 of 6) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 18:34:35 GMT Archive-Name: linux/faq/part3 URL: http://www.mainmatter.com/ Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Posting-Frequency: weekly Last-modified: 04/30/2000 compile-time option and a module. See, (``How Do I Upgrade/Recompile My Kernel?'') _ 4.8. Can Linux Access SMB File Systems? Linux supports read/write access of Windows for Workgroups and Windows NT SMB volumes. See the file Documentation/filesystems/smbfs.txt of the Linux kernel source distribution, and (``How Do I Upgrade/Recompile My Kernel?'') There is also a suite of programs called Samba which provide support for WfW networked file systems (provided they're for TCP/IP). Information is available in the README file at metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/network/samba/. The SMB Web site is http://www.samba.org/, and there is also a Web site at samba.anu.edu.au/samba/. _ 4.9. Can Linux Access Macintosh File Systems? There is a set of user-level programs that read and write the Macintosh Hierarchical File System (HFS). It is available at metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/utils/disk-management/. _ 4.10. Can I Run Microsoft Windows Programs under Linux? WINE, a MS Windows emulator for Linux, is still not ready for general distribution. If you want to contribute to its development, look for the status reports in the comp.emulators.ms-windows.wine newsgroup. There is also a FAQ, compiled by P. David Gardner, at ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/docs/faqs/Wine-FAQ/. In the meantime, if you need to run MS Windows programs, the best bet--seriously--is to reboot. LILO, the Linux boot loader, can boot one of several operating systems from a menu. See the LILO documentation for details. Also, LOADLIN.EXE (a DOS program to load a Linux, or other OS, kernel is one way to make Linux co-exist with DOS. LOADLIN.EXE is particularly handy when you want to install Linux on a 3rd or 4th drive on a system (or when you're adding a SCSI drive to a system with an existing IDE). In these cases, it is common for LILO's boot loader to be unable to find or load the kernel on the "other" drive. So you just create a C:\LINUX directory (or whatever), put LOADLIN.EXE in it with a copy of your kernel, and use that. LOADLIN.EXE is a VCPI compliant program. Win95 will want to, "shutdown into DOS mode," to run it (as it would with certain other DOS protected-mode programs). Earlier versions of LOADLIN.EXE sometimes required a package called REALBIOS.COM, which required a boot procedure on an (almost) blank floppy to map the interrupt vectors (prior to the loading of any software drivers). (Current versions don't seem to ship with it, and don't seem to need it). [Jim Dennis] _ 4.11. Where Can I Get Information about NFS Compatibility? This information is partly taken from Nicolai Langfeldt's excellent NFS HOWTO, and is current as of 10/1/1999. Most version 2.2.x kernels need a set of patches to install the knfsd subsystem, maintained by H.J. Lu, to communicate efficiently (if at all) with Sparc, IBM RS, and Alpha machines, and probably others. This package is actually a collection of patches to the kernel sources. There is also a user-space server. Although it lacks remote file locking, it is easier to install. It may be equally efficient. In the Documentation/Changelog of recent kernel distributions, there is a list of URL's for both the knfsd server and the user-space server. There is a CVS server available for the kernel-space NFS subsystem, as well as a NFS WWW page at http://www.linuxnfs.sourceforge.org/, although the URL requires a password for access. The relevant URL's are listed in the README.nfs file at ftp://ftp.us.kernel.org/, and other kernel archive sites, along with login information. Patches are at ftp://ftp.varesearch.com/pub/kernel/latest/patches/. The source archives of the user-space server and utilities currently reside on ftp://linux.mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de:/pub/linux/people/okir/. The linux-kernel mailing list has on-and-off discussions of the status of the NFS subsystem, which appears to be changing rapidly. _
Linux-Misc Digest #319
Linux-Misc Digest #319, Volume #24 Sun, 30 Apr 00 18:13:02 EDT Contents: Re: changing root username (Bill Unruh) Re: Difference between Mandrake 7.0 and RedHat 6.2 (Bill Unruh) Recover partition after trying to built software raid1 (Henrik Puschmann) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.security Subject: Re: changing root username Date: 30 Apr 2000 21:11:03 GMT In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >Would anyone know if it is safe (in the sense of "will things still work >ok") to change the username of the root account by editing /etc/passwd? Probably. The OS refers to user ID not names. names are just used for interacting with people. But why would you want to change root's name? Note: If you want to you can insert aliases-- ie other user names with uid of 0, and they will work just as root does. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh) Subject: Re: Difference between Mandrake 7.0 and RedHat 6.2 Date: 30 Apr 2000 21:17:22 GMT In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Michael Iwaki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >I see many auctions for Mandrake 7.0 and RedHat 6.2 linux distributions >on ebay. What's the differences between the two. The Mandrake 7.0 >sellers claim their distribution is the easiest to install and is fully >compatible with RedHat addons..Can someone give some more objective >information on this? Why would anyone buy either on ebay? You can get them for $2 +$6 shipping from say cheapbytes. You can download them for free. You can get them plus an install manual for $10 on cheapbytes. Why would you buy them on ebay? Mandrake's chief claim to fame with 7.0 was the Drax system ( installation, repartitioning-- broken in 7.0 but fixed in 7.0-2, hardware detection). They are now ( in the next couple o weeks coming out with 7.1) Both use the rpm database system. mandrake is compiled to 586 machines (pentium) but I have seen at least one post which claims that 586 "optimisation" is the worst of 386 486 586 686-- have not tested it myself so do not know if this is true. (Note that the difference is slight). >thanks >Michael Iwaki -- From: Henrik Puschmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Recover partition after trying to built software raid1 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 21:30:04 GMT Hello, I have tried to built a software raid-1 one on my linux system. After I could not get it to work I found out, that I'm in need of a folder from the old partioion /dev/hda4 which I did not backup. Is there a way to get back to my data? The answere on a mount try is: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda4, or too many mounted file systems. -- Posted via CNET Help.com http://www.help.com/ -- ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** The service address, to which questions about the list itself and requests to be added to or deleted from it should be directed, is: Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can send mail to the entire list (and comp.os.linux.misc) via: Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites: ftp.funet.fipub/Linux tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux End of Linux-Misc Digest **
Linux-Misc Digest #318
Linux-Misc Digest #318, Volume #24 Sun, 30 Apr 00 17:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: RH Linux dist on CompUSA brand PC? Anyone? (Leonard Evens)
samba does not join domain ("Axel_Greiner")
Re: where is com5 in Linux ? ("Peter T. Breuer")
Winlinux 2000 (CB)
sb line and linux alsa driver problems ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Counting hard disks ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
fdisk | LILO | reformat ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: crontab hates me (peter pilsl)
Re: fdisk | LILO | reformat ("David ..")
Re: fdisk | LILO | reformat ("Robert L.")
Re: Linux ps (Galen Menzel)
Re: Good Contact Manager for Linux ("Matt O'Toole")
Difference between set and export? (Karsten Wutzke)
Re: Linux & FreeBSD UFS (Files Invisible) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Kernel compile results in HD: unable to get major 3 (Nobody)
Can someone tell me how to disable shadow passwords? (redhat 6.1) ...EOM (marge
schott)
Re: Difference between set and export? ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: lost link - Windows 98 on linux (Yan Seiner)
Re: Can someone tell me how to disable shadow passwords? (redhat 6.1) ...EOM ("Peter
T. Breuer")
OpenLDAP Question (Ken Williams)
Re: Good Contact Manager for Linux (Colin Holywell)
Re: Good Contact Manager for Linux (Christopher Browne)
From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RH Linux dist on CompUSA brand PC? Anyone?
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 12:55:31 -0500
David Sisk wrote:
>
> Hi:
>
> I'm looking for a new PC, and CompUSA's "Work" line of custom-built PC's
> looks like it might be a good deal. I want one that can run WinNT and Linux
> (dual-boot). Their "work" line is certified to run NT, but not Linux,
> although most of the hardware they use looks like it's pretty-much
> name-brand standard kind of stuff. Has anyone had any luck with these for
> Linux, specifically the latest RedHat distribution?
>
> Or, is their another brand that someone would recommend for both NT and
> Linux?
>
> Best regards,
>
> --
> David C. Sisk
> Need tech info on Oracle? Visit The Unofficial ORACLE on NT site at
> http://www.ipass.net/~davesisk/oont.htm
> Like original modern rock? Listen to song samples and buy a CD at
> http://www.mp3.com/disparityofcult
> Raleigh music compilation! All $$$ go to NC Food Bank.
> http://www.mp3.com/whisper2ascream
Try for example the RedHat hardware compatibility web page.
It should tell you about specific motherboards, video boards,
etc. Unfortunately, it does tend to be somewhat out of date.
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
--
From: "Axel_Greiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: samba does not join domain
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 20:12:52 +0200
Reply-To: "Axel_Greiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I connected a linux-box to a windows-NT domain, the tcp/ip setup is
working fine, the samba V2.05 works fine.. When I want to join the
domain with the command: smbpasswd -j -r I get a
message containing following:
+
change_account_trust_password: failed to change password
unable to join domain
Can anybody help?
Axel
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Axel Greiner
X-Floc Dämmtechnik-Maschinen GmbH
Riedstr. 5/1, D-71272 Renningen
Tel. / Fax: 07159-9278-23 / -24
www.x-floc.com, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
private email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: where is com5 in Linux ?
Date: 30 Apr 2000 18:06:39 GMT
Bob Koss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: I just installed a new pcmcia ethernet/modem card in my
: laptop. Ethernet worked fine right out of the box.
: In Win98, the modem is listed under com5. What do I link /dev/modem to
: in linux to make it work? tty's stop at /dev/ttyS3, which I belive is
Nothing.
: com4.
You are confused about the nature of /dev/foo. These are just names.
You can make as many of them as you like. Even the major/minor numbers
are not always vital .. in the case of the serial driver, they're just
names too. You can hook any irq and ioport to any of them. Man
setserial and read the modem and serial howto.
"com5" usually indicates a winmodem. If a modem was detected by the
serial_cs driver, cardmgr will have linked one of you /dev/ttyS* names
appropriately.
Peter
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From: CB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Winlinux 2000
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 18:30:05 GMT
Need help setting up netscape. Has anyone setup netscape to connect to
internet using dialup connection thru modem in Winlinux 2000. I would
sure like to know what steps to follow.
Thanks CB
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Crossposted-To: sfnet.atk.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.sys.ibm.pc.soundcard.misc
Subject:
Linux-Misc Digest #317
Linux-Misc Digest #317, Volume #24 Sun, 30 Apr 00 14:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: VT102 or VT220 emulation (Bit Twister)
Re: Linux Journal Python supplement (Allen Ashley)
Re: Linux printer driver for HP laserjet III in PCL (Sean Akers)
Re: Caldera 1.3 vs Caldera 2.3 (Jerry McBride)
Re: Executing own program fails - command not found (Herb Stein)
Re: sshd from inside a firewalled net. Wierd problem (Chetan Ahuja)
Problems Launching X Applications from Desktop Terminal Window (mike)
Kernel compile results in HD: unable to get major 3 (Nobody)
Re: Problems Launching X Applications from Desktop Terminal Window ("Peter T.
Breuer")
Re: changing root username ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Linux ps (Galen Menzel)
Re: lost link - Windows 98 on linux ("Jon")
Re: sshd from inside a firewalled net. Wierd problem (root)
X locks up solid, what can I do ?! HELP !!! (Dave Phillips)
Re: Linux ps ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: VPN server for linux (root)
Re: Difference between Mandrake 7.0 and RedHat 6.2 ("David ..")
where is com5 in Linux ? (Bob Koss)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bit Twister)
Subject: Re: VT102 or VT220 emulation
Reply-To: This_news_group
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 16:03:58 GMT
Some xterm setttings require the nunlock on
an pf1-pf4 will be on f1-f4
Be sure to export TERM=vt100 in .bash_profile
On Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:53:48 -0500, Clifton T. Sharp Jr.
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Wife needs either VT102 or VT220 emulation for her real estate comms.
>Seems like all the 'term' things (xterm, gnome-term, rxvt, etc.) sport at
>least VT102, but:
>
>* only rxvt will print on the requested command (KP-period);
>* only gnome-terminal gives a consistent PF4 for shift-F4 key
>* NONE seems to have any documentation on keyboard mappings
>
>As things stand, I have to boot MS-DOS so she can use her special app
>to access stuff, and do lots of other aggravating tricks on command.
>It would be SO nice if I could just open a terminal window and have her
>work there. Help!
>
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If the above breaks your system, it's yours and you keep both pieces.
Practice safe computing. Backup the file before you change it.
Do a, man every_command_here, before doing anything or running a script.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Allen Ashley)
Subject: Re: Linux Journal Python supplement
Date: 30 Apr 2000 16:22:06 GMT
John Scudder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Yes, I thought that was a little unusual for Linux Journal...
>In keeping with the general Monty Python theme..the cover is from the 70's TV
>series opening where a similarly attired Michael Palin said " It's" and
>then the Monty Python theme started.
My recollection is the piano player was Terry Jones.
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From: Sean Akers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux printer driver for HP laserjet III in PCL
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 15:49:48 +0100
On Sun, 30 Apr 2000 07:35:55 GMT, Michael Iwaki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have a HP Laserjet III printer printing in PCL mode (without the
>Postscript cartridge). Does Linux support printing on a Laserjet III in
>PCL mode?
>
>Michael Iwaki
Linux supports this printer very well. My old Laserjet III has been
running with Linux for two years, no problem. Linux uses a piece of
software called Ghostscript to turn Postscript output into PCL
commands that the Laserjet understands. Try using apsfilter to set
things up for you and all will be well.
Sean.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jerry McBride)
Subject: Re: Caldera 1.3 vs Caldera 2.3
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 23:18:42 -0400
In article <8dterk$hsj$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Shahram Mehdian) wrote:
>I was thinking of installing Caldera 1.3 on my system. Is Caldera 2.3 a major
>upgrade worth considering or not?
>
Absolutely... 2.30 is a FAR better distro than 1.30... In fact, the just
released last month eDesktop 2.40 is even better than 2.30. You can grab a copy
of the "lite" version off the caldera ftp site... or ask me nicely and I'll
burn you a copy for $1.00 plus shipping...
>Also how difficult is the installation of Caldera1.3 for a double boot system?
>
It was failer easy for me. I used Boot Manager from my other operating system.
It all worked perfectly. Since that time has passed... I'm now running 2.40
and it's lightyears more "pleasing" than 1.30 ever hoped to be... :')
>My system is a very generic pentium200 and I don't know much about Linux
>(actually I dont know anything about Linux).
>
Linux-Misc Digest #316
Linux-Misc Digest #316, Volume #24 Sun, 30 Apr 00 12:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Executing own program fails - command not found (Karsten Wutzke)
lost link - Windows 98 on linux (Yan Seiner)
Re: Problem with running windows98 and redhat5.2 (jason)
Re: Executing own program fails - command not found (Michael Kelly)
Linux Samba Problem... (Mark)
Re: Converting outlook.pst to unix format ("Tom Hoffmann")
Backing up GNOME configuration files (J Coleman)
Re: crontab hates me ("Tom Hoffmann")
Re: Webcams on Linux (Rod Smith)
Re: Upgrading the rpm package itself... ("Tom Hoffmann")
Re: Backing up GNOME configuration files ("jeff")
Re: Converting outlook.pst to unix format (Howard Powell)
Re: Executing own program fails - command not found (Karsten Wutzke)
RH Linux dist on CompUSA brand PC? Anyone? ("David Sisk")
Re: Netscape Crashing Problems (Leonard Evens)
Re: Linux operating system and Windows applications (Leonard Evens)
Re: Sendmail 8.10.1 RPM ("Jan Schaumann")
Re: Problem with running windows98 and redhat5.2 (Leonard Evens)
Re: Problem with ls -lR (Leonard Evens)
Re: How to add Linux to the NT Loader menu (Leonard Evens)
Re: How do I shutdown my PC? (Leonard Evens)
Re: Difference between Mandrake 7.0 and RedHat 6.2 (Leonard Evens)
From: Karsten Wutzke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Executing own program fails - command not found
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 15:25:37 +0200
Hi all!
I'm new to Linux and I have the following problem:
I've just compiled my first own little test program, it uses OpenGL and
FLTK. OK, as I said, compilation is working, now the program is there
chmod'ded 777, but when I enter the program's name in the shell it tells
me: command not found. huh? I thought the kernel would recognize the "x"
in the file rights? Hmm, so I entered: "objdump --full-contents
--section=.interp ./mytestprogram" to find out which linker the program
needs. Result: elf32-i386 /lib/ld-linux.so.2 . This linker/file is
present, so I'm out of luck - and ideas?
Can anyone tell me what's wrong?
Thanks in advance!
Karsten
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From: Yan Seiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: lost link - Windows 98 on linux
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 09:33:59 -0400
There was mention here a few weeks ago of a product for linux that would
allow installation of WIndows 9x under linux. Not vmware, but a
user-space program that would allow the installation of windows and
require a windows license.
It was priced at about $47 if I remember right.
I can't find the link, bookmark, or mention anymore.
Please help!
--Yan
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From: jason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Problem with running windows98 and redhat5.2
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 13:30:03 GMT
Thank you very much, I was very appreciated your help. Thanks a lot. :)
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From: Michael Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Executing own program fails - command not found
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 13:36:26 GMT
On Sun, 30 Apr 2000 15:25:37 +0200, Karsten Wutzke
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Can anyone tell me what's wrong?
Unlike Dos and Windows, in Linux, the current directory is not in the
path. So, to execute stuff in the current directory do
./command
The '.' refers to the current directory.
If you find this onerous, you can append
'.' to the PATH variabel in one of your
startup scripts. For instance, if you use
bash shell, your .bashrc file can have
this line
export PATH=dir:dir2:dir3
where each directory is separated by a colon ':'
(not a semicolon like in Windows or Dos.)
If you want to add on to the existing path, try
export PATH=mydir:$PATH
or
export PATH=$PATH:mydir
Mike
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From: Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Linux Samba Problem...
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 21:52:13 +0800
Hi all,
I got some problems when I setup a Samba.
=In Linux
smb status:
smbd and nmbd are running.
smbclient -L myhostname:
SharenameTypeComment
= ===
homes Disk Home Directories
mylinuxDisk
IPC$ IPC IPC Service(Linux Samba)
ServerComment
== ===
WIN98 Windows 98
Linux Linux Samba
WorkgroupMaster
= ==
MYGROUPWIN98
In Windows 98
I used Client for Microsoft Network
I marked Login to Windows NT Domain, and filled with "MYGROUP"
I used IPX/SPX and TCPIP protocol
=Problems
1. What is mean by "IPC$" ?
2. In Windows 98, I can see the linux server in network neighborhood,
but when I click on it, it prompts me to enter a password for
Linux-Misc Digest #315
Linux-Misc Digest #315, Volume #24 Sun, 30 Apr 00 09:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Problem with running windows98 and linux5.2 (Michael Powe)
Re: getting on the internet ("Joe M.")
Re: How do I shutdown my PC? (Stephen Biggs)
Re: How do I shutdown my PC? ("vector_sector")
Can't get 8.1.5 to install on Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: remote printing: lpr: connection refused (Nicolas Eymerich)
Re: XWindows ("Joe M.")
Webcams on Linux (GT)
Re: Disabling the boot logo ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Difference between Mandrake 7.0 and RedHat 6.2 (Bastian)
Fixing a corrupt partition table. (Thaddeus L. Olczyk)
Re: Fixing a corrupt partition table. ("Peter T. Breuer")
Converting outlook.pst to unix format ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
fstab mount options for zip drive (Jonathan Mendez)
problems with Diskless Linux Box (Olivier Ravard)
Re: Difference between Mandrake 7.0 and RedHat 6.2 (YamYam)
crontab hates me (peter pilsl)
changing root username ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: VPN server for linux (Yan Seiner)
Re: changing root username (GC)
The Server is working slowly ("Alex")
Good Contact Manager for Linux (root)
From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Problem with running windows98 and linux5.2
Date: 30 Apr 2000 00:34:36 -0700
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> "jason" == jason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
jason> After installing linux5.2, everytime i double click 'my
jason> computer', it takes several minutes to open it. when i use
jason> the internet explorer, it's even worst. it takes ages to
jason> open the site. everytime i click the links, it has the same
jason> problem. i'm using overclocked pentium pro 200mhz, 32mb ram
jason> and 2.4gb quantum hard disk. please help.
Your question is not worded very well. It appears that you have
installed win 98 and linux on the same machine. This suggests a dual
boot. If that's the case, and windows has suddenly slowed down, it
may be that you have not left enough free space for virtual memory for
windows.
If that's not the case, you need to be more precise in your
description of what you have installed and how you have installed it.
mp
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From: "Joe M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: getting on the internet
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 18:51:28 +1000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
the install of the network package did fix the problem i realizes after
going back to linux after writing this message that i needed to restart
as it loads daemons at the startup.
Joe.
Joe M. wrote:
>
> I just installed linux on my system with kde and decided the next step
> was to try and get it to connect to my isp. I went to kppp(i think thats
> what it's called) and it said that my kernel did not support the
> protocol, i thought because i didn't install the network package that
> was why. So i installed that and it still said the same message, not a
> very good start i can't even get past the first screen hehe..
> I don't know what information about my system you need to help me but im
> using slackware 7 with xwindows and kde. I havet installed everything
> because i only have 500 meg to play with so maybe im missing some
> things. Any help would be appreciated
>
> Joe
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: How do I shutdown my PC?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephen Biggs)
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 09:18:00 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in <8egeoa$d0g$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>You may want to look at commands like halt, shutdown and reboot. Do a
>man on those commands...
>
>it is not a good idea to power off a linux comuter without doing
>something like shutdown first.
>
>
The main reason why it's not a good idea is that, even tho you might be
sitting at the login prompt, this doesn't necessarily mean that all file
writes have been saved to disk before you cut the power. Shutting down the
machine in an orderly fashion insures that all caches are flushed before
the OS goes away.
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From: "vector_sector" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How do I shutdown my PC?
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Date: 30 Apr 2000 17:14:51 +0800
shutdown -h now
halt
reboot <- this command of coause does what it says
poweroff or was it power off <- for atx casings you have to compile APM
into the kernal first
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in article <8egeoa$d0g$
Linux-Misc Digest #314
Linux-Misc Digest #314, Volume #24 Sun, 30 Apr 00 04:13:04 EDT
Contents:
How do I shutdown my PC? (Tandem Guy)
Re: How do I shutdown my PC? (Prasanth Kumar)
Re: book of love (Axel)
Re: How do I shutdown my PC? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Cron not working ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
How to add Linux to the NT Loader menu (YK Lee)
Re: DVD-ROM drive and Linux (John Larmour)
Sendmail 8.10.1 RPM (Jeff Workman)
Re: How to add Linux to the NT Loader menu ("Luke A. Olbrish")
Re: help installing hp laser jet 1100 (Cevat Ustun)
Upgrading the rpm package itself... (Cevat Ustun)
Re: question re hp lserjet 1100 (Cevat Ustun)
Difference between Mandrake 7.0 and RedHat 6.2 (Michael Iwaki)
getting on the internet ("Joe M.")
Linux printer driver for HP laserjet III in PCL (Michael Iwaki)
XWindows ("Joe M.")
Re: Problem with ls -lR (Matthew Haley)
From: Tandem Guy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: How do I shutdown my PC?
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 04:31:52 GMT
Hello,
I'm a new user of Linux in general and Redhad 6.0 in particular. This
may be a silly question, but what is the safest/best way to turn off my
PC which is running Redhat 6.0 (and only Redhat 6.0). I've been exiting
out of X-Windows or whatever it is called and then logging off with exit
which puts me back at the login prompt. Once at the login prompt I kill
the power to the PC. Should I be doing something more, because when I
turn the PC on I often get errors telling me there are problems with my
filesystem which need to be repaired? So, should I be doing something
more when I'm ready to power off my PC? Thanks in advance.
Tandem Guy
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From: Prasanth Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: How do I shutdown my PC?
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 04:44:24 GMT
Tandem Guy wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm a new user of Linux in general and Redhad 6.0 in particular. This
> may be a silly question, but what is the safest/best way to turn off my
> PC which is running Redhat 6.0 (and only Redhat 6.0). I've been exiting
> out of X-Windows or whatever it is called and then logging off with exit
> which puts me back at the login prompt. Once at the login prompt I kill
> the power to the PC. Should I be doing something more, because when I
> turn the PC on I often get errors telling me there are problems with my
> filesystem which need to be repaired? So, should I be doing something
> more when I'm ready to power off my PC? Thanks in advance.
>
> Tandem Guy
You need to do "shutdown -h now" as root to halt properly or
"shutdown -r now" to reboot properly or
do [ctrl]+[alt]+[del] to reboot properly or
if you run xdm/kdm/gdm, there might be a reboot option on that menu.
--
Prasanth Kumar
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Axel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.non.sequitur,alt.music.joe-carta-band,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: book of love
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 23:56:35 -0700
hoKEy wOLf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> proves the law of fives:
>In article <8eemnj$jmh$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Axel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> hoKEy wOLf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> proves the law of fives:
>>
>> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The
>> >Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:
>> >
>> >> Beekeeper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 16:21:10 -0400, "counterpoint: jim carleton"
>> >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > >This, from Axel:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >>David Castrodale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> proves the law of fives:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>>hoKEy wOLf wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, David Castrodale
>> >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > Nealworm wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:15:03 GMT, David Castrodale
>> >> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spake thusly:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > >Fred Levi-Addison wrote: > > David Castrodale
>> >> > > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> enjoys the great taste of beef: >
>> >> > > > >> >
>> >> > > > >> >
>> >> > > > >> >Nealworm wrote:
>> >> > > > >> >>
>> >> > > > >> >> On Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:36:21 -0400, the portable jim
>> >> > > > >> >> carleton
>> >> > > > >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spake thusly:
>> >> > > > >> >>
>> >> > > > >> >> >This, from hoKEy wOLf:
>> >> > > > >> >> >
>> >> > > > >> >> >>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, David
>> >> > > > >> >> >>Castrodale
>> >> > > > >> >> >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> > > > >> >> >>
>> >> > > > >> >> >>> Nealworm wrote:
>> >> > > > >> >> >>> >
>> >> > > > >> >> >>> > On Sun, 23 Apr 2000 04:32:31 GMT, David
>> >> > > > >> >> >>> > Castrodale
>> >>
