Re: Third-party drives not permitted on Gen 11 servers
Hi there, On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:52:04AM +0100, Tino Schwarze wrote: I mailed my sales rep yesterday explaining my concerns and got a reply today that he'll ask the marketing department for an official statement. I got an answer today (German, English translation below): [...] Ich kann Sie voll und ganz verstehen. DELL hat sich entschieden an dieser Stelle den gleichen Weg zu gehen wie die Konkurrenz (HP,IBM). Das heisst auch bei den anderen werden Sie dort kein Glück haben was diese Sache an geht. Zur Zeit kann ich Ihnen dann nur den Perc 6i empfehlen solange dieser noch zur Verfügung steht. Falls Sie hierzu noch weitere Fragen haben sollten, dann rufen Sie mich bitte kurz an. Vielen Dank für Ihr Verständnis. P.S. ich hätte Ihnen gerne eine andere Auskunft gegeben :-/ Rough translation: I do fully understand you. DELL decided to go the same route as it's competitors (HP, IBM). Which means you'll be out of luck there as well regarding this issue. For the time being I can only recommend the PERC 6i as long as it is available. Please call me if you've got further questions. Thank you for your understanding. PS: I'd rather given you a different information. End of translation. Tino. -- What we nourish flourishes. - Was wir nähren erblüht. www.lichtkreis-chemnitz.de www.tisc.de ___ Linux-PowerEdge mailing list Linux-PowerEdge@dell.com https://lists.us.dell.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-poweredge Please read the FAQ at http://lists.us.dell.com/faq
RE: Reverse DNS lookup syslog (Debian 4.0)
Not my call. Network engineers won't even entertain the idea. -Original Message- From: linux-poweredge-boun...@dell.com [mailto:linux-poweredge-boun...@dell.com] On Behalf Of Jefferson Ogata Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 4:52 AM To: linux-powere...@lists.us.dell.com Subject: Re: Reverse DNS lookup syslog (Debian 4.0) On 2010-02-15 10:22, Brian O'Mahony wrote: Not possible with 600+ machines in different locations around the world. MAC reservations for clients is not an option here. Only 600+? Of course it's possible. The only legitimate reason to use non-static assignment is if you don't have enough address space for your devices and they need to take turns. Not knowing what devices are attaching to your networks gives you exactly the sort of problem you're currently trying to find a kluge for, and invites unwelcome guests on your network. ___ Linux-PowerEdge mailing list Linux-PowerEdge@dell.com https://lists.us.dell.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-poweredge Please read the FAQ at http://lists.us.dell.com/faq The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended addressee please contact the sender and dispose of this e-mail. Thank you. ___ Linux-PowerEdge mailing list Linux-PowerEdge@dell.com https://lists.us.dell.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-poweredge Please read the FAQ at http://lists.us.dell.com/faq
Re: Third-party drives not permitted on Gen 11 servers
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:35 AM, Tino Schwarze linux-poweredge.li...@tisc.de wrote: Hi there, On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:52:04AM +0100, Tino Schwarze wrote: I mailed my sales rep yesterday explaining my concerns and got a reply today that he'll ask the marketing department for an official statement. I got an answer today (German, English translation below): If only these were home-grade devices and not enterprise. We'd have to wait on the order of 2 days for some smart kid to come along and tweak a few lines in the firmware that do the check. :) -- Rahul ___ Linux-PowerEdge mailing list Linux-PowerEdge@dell.com https://lists.us.dell.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-poweredge Please read the FAQ at http://lists.us.dell.com/faq
Re: Third-party drives not permitted on Gen 11 servers
Original Message Subject: Re: Third-party drives not permitted on Gen 11 servers From: Jeff jlar...@gmail.com To: linux-poweredge@dell.com Date: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:24:38 PM On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Bond Masuda bond.mas...@jlbond.com wrote: however, bottom line is this: Dell is trying to increase profits and they see this lock-in as a potential method to achieve that goal. if Dell customers want to see this change, you'll just need to show Dell that it doesn't accomplish that goal. I.e., stop buying Dell, cancel your orders, etc. anything short of this will not change how a business operates. no amount of complaining on this mailing list is going to make this change until dollars are at stake. +1. We are all preaching to the choir here. This list is not the best forum for getting our message across to Dell. I just wrote to my Dell Sales rep informing her that future sales are in jeopardy. Maybe if we all do that, they might take notice. Jeff ___ RAM and HDDs are the most common upgrades we perform on our servers. At least half of our servers get upgrades of one or both of these. I typically buy qualified RAM from Crucial and purchase HDDs from a local or online vendor as a commodity item. This often occurs several years after initial purchase when the servers are re-purposed. We wrote our sales rep regarding the topic of this thread and his response was basically: Yes, we are doing this... It's called HDD lock strategy which blocks non-Dell certified HDDs from being used with these controllers.. Attached was a pdf explaining the stringent quality control standards for Dell's HDDs. No apology, remorse, alternative solutions, etc. Vendor lock in is not an option I am willing to support. Either we will purchase RAID controllers that support standard drives with our Dell servers or we will purchase non-Dell servers. --Blake ___ Linux-PowerEdge mailing list Linux-PowerEdge@dell.com https://lists.us.dell.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-poweredge Please read the FAQ at http://lists.us.dell.com/faq
Re: raid-5 to raid-10 conversion for PERC-6i?
I wrote: The only approach that I can see might be to remove a drive from the RAID-5 (making it into a RAID-0), Stroller replied: Removing a drive from a RAID5 does not make it a RAID0 - it makes it a degraded RAID5, BTW. It depends on how you do the removal. Using the MegaCli command-line tool, if you do a logical drive reconstruction to remove the drive from RAID-5, you will end up with a RAID-0, e.g.: MegaCli -LDRecon -Start -R0 -Rmv [E32:S3] -L1 -a0 This capability is also possible with the Web/BIOS under the Reconstruction Wizard. Marking the drive offline or missing, will of course give you a degraded RAID-5. I'm a little confused why you want to do this, and all this way. You seem to be acting penurious about drives, ... perhaps this is simply related to the number of drives you can fit in your RAID cage at one time? PowerEdge 1950 with four 2.5 drive bays - although I also have some 2950 systems, which have eight bays (five occupied), allowing more flexibility - on one of those systems, I could add three drives, allowing a full RAID-10 to be created by the spares (3 new + 1 taken from the RAID-5). It would probably be easier on those systems to move the contents of the RAID-5 to the two disk RAID-0 that takes up the other slots. I've read recently (here?) that RAID10 /or RAID01 performs better than RAID5, but RAID5 is really nice flexible easily expandable - surely if performance was a major bottleneck consideration, you would have planned for this? I'm not putting you down, but most of us don't need to bleed every ounce of performance from our hardware. The answer: it depends. For (random and/or small) writes, a RAID-10 will have better performance than RAID-5; for reads, the RAID-5 (with the same number of drives) will be better. So the performance benefit will depend on the read/write mix, which can change depending on workload (and thus is not always possible to plan for). There's a nice blog series that shows this at http://kendalvandyke.blogspot.com/2009/02/disk-performance-hands-on-series.html I would imagine that migrating a RAID0 or RAID1 to RAID10 or RAID01 might well be officially supported RAID-0 to RAID-1 is supported, but there seems to be no way to convert even these into RAID-10. @alex -- mailto:alex.du...@mac.com ___ Linux-PowerEdge mailing list Linux-PowerEdge@dell.com https://lists.us.dell.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-poweredge Please read the FAQ at http://lists.us.dell.com/faq
Vendor ID?
I've just noticed that on all my PE2900 systems with Perc 5 or 6 controllers, an omreport storage pdisk always shows a Vendor ID of DELL, whether they are Dell-supplied disks or not. Is this always true? -s ___ Linux-PowerEdge mailing list Linux-PowerEdge@dell.com https://lists.us.dell.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-poweredge Please read the FAQ at http://lists.us.dell.com/faq
RE: Vendor ID?
-Original Message- From: linux-poweredge-boun...@dell.com [mailto:linux-poweredge-boun...@dell.com] On Behalf Of Steve Thompson Sent: dinsdag 16 februari 2010 20:11 To: linux-poweredge@dell.com Subject: Vendor ID? I've just noticed that on all my PE2900 systems with Perc 5 or 6 controllers, an omreport storage pdisk always shows a Vendor ID of DELL, whether they are Dell-supplied disks or not. Is this always true? On my T300 with a PERC6 : Controller PERC 6/i Adapter (Slot 3) ID: 0:0:0 Status: Ok Name : Physical Disk 0:0:0 [..] Vendor ID : SEAGATE Product ID: ST31000640SS Stephan ___ Linux-PowerEdge mailing list Linux-PowerEdge@dell.com https://lists.us.dell.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-poweredge Please read the FAQ at http://lists.us.dell.com/faq
Re: [OT] php_warn
solved by setting error reporting to 0 in “configuration.php” file $mosConfig_error_reporting = '0; ___ Linux-PowerEdge mailing list Linux-PowerEdge@dell.com https://lists.us.dell.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-poweredge Please read the FAQ at http://lists.us.dell.com/faq
RE: Vendor ID?
On Tue, 16 Feb 2010, Stephan van Hienen wrote: Controller PERC 6/i Adapter (Slot 3) ID: 0:0:0 Status: Ok Name : Physical Disk 0:0:0 [..] Vendor ID : SEAGATE Product ID: ST31000640SS How interesting! I have (disks not sourced from Dell): Vendor ID : DELL Product ID: ST3750330NS -steve ___ Linux-PowerEdge mailing list Linux-PowerEdge@dell.com https://lists.us.dell.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-poweredge Please read the FAQ at http://lists.us.dell.com/faq
removing drives from PE2850 w/ PERC 4e/Di
I'm looking at permanently removing a drive from a PE2850 system with PERC 4e/Di card. I've read through the docs and searched through the PERC bios but it looks like I can't permanently remove a drive without completely clearing the entire configuration and starting from scratch. If I simply disable the drive and remove it when I reboot the BIOS will halt on a message about a problem with the configuration. It looks like it would do that every time which is not so desirable in a remote server. Can anybody clarify this for me? What's the best way to permanently remove a single (raid 0) drive from a PE2850 with PERC 4e/Di? Thanks! Shannon ___ Linux-PowerEdge mailing list Linux-PowerEdge@dell.com https://lists.us.dell.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-poweredge Please read the FAQ at http://lists.us.dell.com/faq
Re: Vendor ID?
On my T300 with a PERC6 : Controller PERC 6/i Adapter (Slot 3) ID: 0:0:0 Status: Ok Name : Physical Disk 0:0:0 [..] Vendor ID : SEAGATE Product ID: ST31000640SS Stephan Non-Dell disks? You rebel! ___ Linux-PowerEdge mailing list Linux-PowerEdge@dell.com https://lists.us.dell.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-poweredge Please read the FAQ at http://lists.us.dell.com/faq
Re: Third-party drives not permitted on Gen 11 servers
On 2010-02-16 17:46, Blake Hudson wrote: Attached was a pdf explaining the stringent quality control standards for Dell's HDDs. No apology, remorse, alternative solutions, etc. That's pretty funny considering the fairly high failure rate of Dell drives. If you actually check the SMART statistics you'll see the PERC often tries to pretend bad drives are just fine. For example I have a Dell-provided Seagate in a PE2950 right now that has logged 100 uncorrected write errors and 10 uncorrected read errors, and has failed a SMART long self-test. The PERC says 2 media errors and hasn't failed it out of the RAID. Well, I guess this is the year I start diving into HP or IBM gear. ___ Linux-PowerEdge mailing list Linux-PowerEdge@dell.com https://lists.us.dell.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-poweredge Please read the FAQ at http://lists.us.dell.com/faq
Re: Third-party drives not permitted on Gen 11 servers
On 2/16/2010 4:35 AM, Tino Schwarze wrote: Hi there, On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:52:04AM +0100, Tino Schwarze wrote: I mailed my sales rep yesterday explaining my concerns and got a reply today that he'll ask the marketing department for an official statement. I got an answer today (German, English translation below): [...] Ich kann Sie voll und ganz verstehen. DELL hat sich entschieden an dieser Stelle den gleichen Weg zu gehen wie die Konkurrenz (HP,IBM). Das heisst auch bei den anderen werden Sie dort kein Glück haben was diese Sache an geht. Zur Zeit kann ich Ihnen dann nur den Perc 6i empfehlen solange dieser noch zur Verfügung steht. Falls Sie hierzu noch weitere Fragen haben sollten, dann rufen Sie mich bitte kurz an. Vielen Dank für Ihr Verständnis. P.S. ich hätte Ihnen gerne eine andere Auskunft gegeben :-/ Rough translation: I do fully understand you. DELL decided to go the same route as it's competitors (HP, IBM). Which means you'll be out of luck there as well regarding this issue. For the time being I can only recommend the PERC 6i as long as it is available. Please call me if you've got further questions. Thank you for your understanding. PS: I'd rather given you a different information. End of translation. Tino. I think i'll clal hpo and see if what this person is saying is actually true. ___ Linux-PowerEdge mailing list Linux-PowerEdge@dell.com https://lists.us.dell.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-poweredge Please read the FAQ at http://lists.us.dell.com/faq
