Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner R8 module

2015-05-20 Thread Simos Xenitellis
On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Simos Xenitellis 
simos.li...@googlemail.com wrote:


 On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 3:01 AM, Marius Cirsta mfor...@gmail.com wrote:


 Indeed , my guess is that info will be available soon on this R8 but I
 guess these guys spilled the beans early. I also do wonder if it will still
 have the Mali400.

 As for the board itself , let's see if they deliver and how they'll
 cooperate with linux-sunxi. If it is indeed a sham than there will be a lot
 of pissed people.


 I think they had to give details about the SoC since they are doing the
 campaign on Kickstarter.
 It looks like their campaign will surpass $1m and there will be a lot of
 interest to get things done.

 Tsvetan mentioned in a prior blog post that Allwinner was OK to make a
 batch of at least 50K A10 SoCs, if requested (
 https://olimex.wordpress.com/2015/04/07/how-50-000-a10-socs-from-allwinner-looks-like/).
 The C.H.I.P. campaign so far has pledges for about 23K R8 SoCs and it is
 bound to go much higher than that.

 Whether the R8 will be available outside the C.H.I.P. campaign, remains to
 be seen. With the RPi, it appears there was no exclusivity with Broadcom on
 paper but the RPi Foundation might have requested anyway from Broadcom not
 to sell the SoC to Hardkernel (
 http://slated.org/the_curious_case_of_raspberry_pi_consumerism).
 It does not look like the campaigners for C.H.I.P. are the types to
 request exclusivity for the R8. For example, see their website at
 http://nextthing.co

 The KERNEL HACKERS ONLY pledge was already taken by 606 backers (est
 delivery: Sept 2015). Most probably these people will be joining this list
 to get mainline support for the device.
 Again, checking the campaigner's website at http://nextthing.co/ shows
 that they do not even have yet a forum or mailing list for their existing
 products.

 I think it is up to actions happening here, whether the whole thing will
 be beneficial to the linux-sunxi community.
 Personally, I am inclined to contact them.


In terms of contacting the CHIP team, they have a subreddit at
https://www.reddit.com/r/ChipCommunity/

There is a discussion for unanswered questions (age: 4h) at
https://www.reddit.com/r/ChipCommunity/comments/36ldau/unanswered_questions/

Simos

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Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner R8 module

2015-05-12 Thread Simos Xenitellis
On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 3:01 AM, Marius Cirsta mfor...@gmail.com wrote:


 Indeed , my guess is that info will be available soon on this R8 but I
 guess these guys spilled the beans early. I also do wonder if it will still
 have the Mali400.

 As for the board itself , let's see if they deliver and how they'll
 cooperate with linux-sunxi. If it is indeed a sham than there will be a lot
 of pissed people.


I think they had to give details about the SoC since they are doing the
campaign on Kickstarter.
It looks like their campaign will surpass $1m and there will be a lot of
interest to get things done.

Tsvetan mentioned in a prior blog post that Allwinner was OK to make a
batch of at least 50K A10 SoCs, if requested (
https://olimex.wordpress.com/2015/04/07/how-50-000-a10-socs-from-allwinner-looks-like/).
The C.H.I.P. campaign so far has pledges for about 23K R8 SoCs and it is
bound to go much higher than that.

Whether the R8 will be available outside the C.H.I.P. campaign, remains to
be seen. With the RPi, it appears there was no exclusivity with Broadcom on
paper but the RPi Foundation might have requested anyway from Broadcom not
to sell the SoC to Hardkernel (
http://slated.org/the_curious_case_of_raspberry_pi_consumerism).
It does not look like the campaigners for C.H.I.P. are the types to request
exclusivity for the R8. For example, see their website at
http://nextthing.co

The KERNEL HACKERS ONLY pledge was already taken by 606 backers (est
delivery: Sept 2015). Most probably these people will be joining this list
to get mainline support for the device.
Again, checking the campaigner's website at http://nextthing.co/ shows that
they do not even have yet a forum or mailing list for their existing
products.

I think it is up to actions happening here, whether the whole thing will be
beneficial to the linux-sunxi community.
Personally, I am inclined to contact them.

Simos

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Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner R8 module

2015-05-11 Thread Simos Xenitellis
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 4:49 AM, jonsm...@gmail.com jonsm...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Does anyone have any info on the new Allwinner R8 module being used in
 the Chip $9 PC Kickstarter? It is A13+flash+RAM on module.

 I'd like to get a pin out and projected price. That module has to be
 really low cost if they are able to make a $9 computer out of it.


The Kickstarter page, in the Thank You section, includes:
«The entire Allwinner team (Ben, Wang Kang, Yinwei, Jet)»
You could ask them if they have such details available at this stage.

In addition, there is a pledge titled Kernel Hackers Only
with projected delivery on Sept 2015 with 485 pledges taken already.
These are for the alpha model of the board, so the earliest opportunity
to see
the R8 would be to get onto that pledge.
Would the R8 SoC be finalized by that time and any changes
would be for the other parts of the board.

Simos

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Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner R8 module

2015-05-11 Thread Michal Suchanek
Hello,

On 11 May 2015 at 12:05, Simos Xenitellis simos.li...@googlemail.com wrote:

 On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 4:49 AM, jonsm...@gmail.com jonsm...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Does anyone have any info on the new Allwinner R8 module being used in
 the Chip $9 PC Kickstarter? It is A13+flash+RAM on module.

 I'd like to get a pin out and projected price. That module has to be
 really low cost if they are able to make a $9 computer out of it.


 The Kickstarter page, in the Thank You section, includes:
 «The entire Allwinner team (Ben, Wang Kang, Yinwei, Jet)»
 You could ask them if they have such details available at this stage.

 In addition, there is a pledge titled Kernel Hackers Only
 with projected delivery on Sept 2015 with 485 pledges taken already.
 These are for the alpha model of the board, so the earliest opportunity to
 see
 the R8 would be to get onto that pledge.
 Would the R8 SoC be finalized by that time and any changes
 would be for the other parts of the board.

This is an interesting project.

Sadly it comes a bit too late for me.

I have pretty much all the parts for the pocketable version by now and
a few spare boards already.

The only missing bit is the keyboard but I am not overly excited about
the keyboard developed as part of this project.

The URL for reference as it is not the most searchable thing.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1598272670/chip-the-worlds-first-9-computer

Out of curiosity it would be interesting to get my hands on the board.
It might be good alternative to Lime since the GPIO connectors seem
more usable.

Unfortunately the postage for $9 board is $20 on kickstarter so I
guess I can wait until it is available at some Chinese stores if that
is going to happen.

Thanks

Michal

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Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner R8 module

2015-05-11 Thread Julian Calaby
Hi,

On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 2:13 AM, Marius Cirsta mfor...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Monday, May 11, 2015 at 5:24:01 AM UTC+3, Luc Verhaegen wrote:

 On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 09:49:43PM -0400, jons...@gmail.com wrote:
  Does anyone have any info on the new Allwinner R8 module being used in
  the Chip $9 PC Kickstarter? It is A13+flash+RAM on module.
 
  I'd like to get a pin out and projected price. That module has to be
  really low cost if they are able to make a $9 computer out of it.

 *sigh* I am amazed that people still fall for what i can now only call
 the kickstarter trap.

 Yeah, it's a bunch of crap, crowdfunding  we're better of letting the
 corporations and investment funds deciding what to fund and what not.

Why are we arguing about whether or not crowdfunding and this
particular campaign is viable when the question was only using it to
point out that the particular SoC was probably cheap? Like *mumble*%
of kickstarter projects, it's probably too good to be true, but who
here really cares? And if they do, why are we hijacking Jon's question
to make that point?

IIRC the actual question was where / when will the R8 SoC be available
for other device builders?

Does anyone actually have any useful info on that?

Thanks,

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Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner R8 module

2015-05-11 Thread jonsm...@gmail.com
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 7:44 PM, Julian Calaby julian.cal...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 2:13 AM, Marius Cirsta mfor...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Monday, May 11, 2015 at 5:24:01 AM UTC+3, Luc Verhaegen wrote:

 On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 09:49:43PM -0400, jons...@gmail.com wrote:
  Does anyone have any info on the new Allwinner R8 module being used in
  the Chip $9 PC Kickstarter? It is A13+flash+RAM on module.
 
  I'd like to get a pin out and projected price. That module has to be
  really low cost if they are able to make a $9 computer out of it.

 *sigh* I am amazed that people still fall for what i can now only call
 the kickstarter trap.

 Yeah, it's a bunch of crap, crowdfunding  we're better of letting the
 corporations and investment funds deciding what to fund and what not.

 Why are we arguing about whether or not crowdfunding and this
 particular campaign is viable when the question was only using it to
 point out that the particular SoC was probably cheap? Like *mumble*%
 of kickstarter projects, it's probably too good to be true, but who
 here really cares? And if they do, why are we hijacking Jon's question
 to make that point?

 IIRC the actual question was where / when will the R8 SoC be available
 for other device builders?

Allwinner has not officially announced anything yet, but it will be
available real soon and it is pretty cheap.

I don't have pin outs yet so I am not sure yet if the modules works
for me. I have a specific set of peripherals I have to have.


 Does anyone actually have any useful info on that?

 Thanks,

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 Profile: http://www.google.com/profiles/julian.calaby/



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Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner R8 module

2015-05-11 Thread Marius Cirsta


On Tuesday, May 12, 2015 at 2:44:50 AM UTC+3, Julian Calaby wrote:

 Hi, 

 On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 2:13 AM, Marius Cirsta mfo...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote: 
  On Monday, May 11, 2015 at 5:24:01 AM UTC+3, Luc Verhaegen wrote: 
  
  On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 09:49:43PM -0400, jons...@gmail.com wrote: 
   Does anyone have any info on the new Allwinner R8 module being used 
 in 
   the Chip $9 PC Kickstarter? It is A13+flash+RAM on module. 
   
   I'd like to get a pin out and projected price. That module has to be 
   really low cost if they are able to make a $9 computer out of it. 
  
  *sigh* I am amazed that people still fall for what i can now only call 
  the kickstarter trap. 
  
  Yeah, it's a bunch of crap, crowdfunding  we're better of letting 
 the 
  corporations and investment funds deciding what to fund and what not. 

 Why are we arguing about whether or not crowdfunding and this 
 particular campaign is viable when the question was only using it to 
 point out that the particular SoC was probably cheap? Like *mumble*% 
 of kickstarter projects, it's probably too good to be true, but who 
 here really cares? And if they do, why are we hijacking Jon's question 
 to make that point? 

 IIRC the actual question was where / when will the R8 SoC be available 
 for other device builders? 

 Does anyone actually have any useful info on that? 

 Thanks, 

 Indeed , my guess is that info will be available soon on this R8 but I 
guess these guys spilled the beans early. I also do wonder if it will still 
have the Mali400. 

As for the board itself , let's see if they deliver and how they'll 
cooperate with linux-sunxi. If it is indeed a sham than there will be a lot 
of pissed people.

 -- 
 Julian Calaby 

 Email: julian...@gmail.com javascript: 
 Profile: http://www.google.com/profiles/julian.calaby/ 


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Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner R8 module

2015-05-11 Thread Marius Cirsta
On Monday, May 11, 2015 at 5:24:01 AM UTC+3, Luc Verhaegen wrote:

 On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 09:49:43PM -0400, jons...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote: 
  Does anyone have any info on the new Allwinner R8 module being used in 
  the Chip $9 PC Kickstarter? It is A13+flash+RAM on module. 
  
  I'd like to get a pin out and projected price. That module has to be 
  really low cost if they are able to make a $9 computer out of it. 

 *sigh* I am amazed that people still fall for what i can now only call 
 the kickstarter trap. 

 Yeah, it's a bunch of crap, crowdfunding  we're better of letting the 
corporations and investment funds deciding what to fund and what not. 

 * only 9usd 

Exactly, that's the price of a beer in some cities, how dare they ? 

 * 1y delivery time

Too little, too much, I didn't even get this one. Usually things get 
delayed but that's how it almost always is.

 * full mainline support

Yeah, nonsense, it's probably just a trick till they port Windows 10 for 
it. 

 * linux-sunxi is not mentioned even once

Bastards, we'll make them mention Dennis Ritchie, Richard Stallman, Linus 
Torwalds, linux-sunxi and hmm maybe even Steve Jobs ? :D


 None of that fits together, and i am amazed that people actually fall 
 for that still. 

 A bunch of idiots these people we should have started clean a long time 
ago but it's too late now, there's too many of them, sigh. 

 Luc Verhaegen. 


Marius Cirsta,
   who appreciates your work but is now pretty sick and tired of your 
contant ranting about everything.


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Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner R8 module

2015-05-10 Thread jonsm...@gmail.com
On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 10:23 PM, Luc Verhaegen l...@skynet.be wrote:
 On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 09:49:43PM -0400, jonsm...@gmail.com wrote:
 Does anyone have any info on the new Allwinner R8 module being used in
 the Chip $9 PC Kickstarter? It is A13+flash+RAM on module.

 I'd like to get a pin out and projected price. That module has to be
 really low cost if they are able to make a $9 computer out of it.

 *sigh* I am amazed that people still fall for what i can now only call
 the kickstarter trap.

 * only 9usd
 * 1y delivery time
 * full mainline support
 * linux-sunxi is not mentioned even once

I don't care about their board, I want to know the price/specs of the
R8 module from Allwinner. I want to put it on my own board.



 None of that fits together, and i am amazed that people actually fall
 for that still.

 Luc Verhaegen.



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[linux-sunxi] Allwinner R8 module

2015-05-10 Thread jonsm...@gmail.com
Does anyone have any info on the new Allwinner R8 module being used in
the Chip $9 PC Kickstarter? It is A13+flash+RAM on module.

I'd like to get a pin out and projected price. That module has to be
really low cost if they are able to make a $9 computer out of it.

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Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner R8 module

2015-05-10 Thread Luc Verhaegen
On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 09:49:43PM -0400, jonsm...@gmail.com wrote:
 Does anyone have any info on the new Allwinner R8 module being used in
 the Chip $9 PC Kickstarter? It is A13+flash+RAM on module.
 
 I'd like to get a pin out and projected price. That module has to be
 really low cost if they are able to make a $9 computer out of it.

*sigh* I am amazed that people still fall for what i can now only call 
the kickstarter trap.

* only 9usd
* 1y delivery time
* full mainline support
* linux-sunxi is not mentioned even once

None of that fits together, and i am amazed that people actually fall 
for that still.

Luc Verhaegen.

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Re: [linux-sunxi] Allwinner R8 module

2015-05-10 Thread Clement Wong
I think you should be happy that your work is in use by thousands.
And there is mention of sunxi in QA “I want to know more about the Allwinner R8 
processor!”.

Clement

 On May 11, 2015, at 10:23 AM, Luc Verhaegen l...@skynet.be wrote:
 
 On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 09:49:43PM -0400, jonsm...@gmail.com wrote:
 Does anyone have any info on the new Allwinner R8 module being used in
 the Chip $9 PC Kickstarter? It is A13+flash+RAM on module.
 
 I'd like to get a pin out and projected price. That module has to be
 really low cost if they are able to make a $9 computer out of it.
 
 *sigh* I am amazed that people still fall for what i can now only call 
 the kickstarter trap.
 
 * only 9usd
 * 1y delivery time
 * full mainline support
 * linux-sunxi is not mentioned even once
 
 None of that fits together, and i am amazed that people actually fall 
 for that still.
 
 Luc Verhaegen.
 
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