Re: [linux-sunxi] Re: 2015 SBC survey by Linux Foundation/LinuxGizmos
On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Michal Suchanek wrote: >> this one? http://openlinux.amlogic.com:8000/download/ARM/kernel/ > > Maybe things have changed since then. When it was big news that > Amlogic set up a developer community site I looked at it and I was > required to register to access anything and had to sign a NDA to > register. You have to sign a NDA to access Android sources and (unfortunately) datasheets. This sucks, I agree. But at least you have free access to the kernel and u-boot sources (+ buildroot stuff and more). > If they fixed the NDA thing then that's a good news. Some of the > Amlogic chips look good spec-wise. Yep :) Sorry for the OT, -- Carlo Caione -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "linux-sunxi" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to linux-sunxi+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [linux-sunxi] Re: 2015 SBC survey by Linux Foundation/LinuxGizmos
On 16 June 2015 at 10:16, Carlo Caione wrote: > On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Michal Suchanek wrote: >> On 16 June 2015 at 10:09, Carlo Caione wrote: >>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:52 PM, 'Simos Xenitellis' via linux-sunxi >>> wrote: What the RPi and ODroid do really well, is that they have a great active community, and that includes support even in non-technical levels. Even the ODROID-C1 does not fully support yet the mainline Linux kernel, http://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=111&t=8288 but the person working at the forum is there to answer honestly with "Because the C1 Kernel had been heavily customized too much by SoC vendor, it is not easy to port the mainline kernel. If you really want to run the mainline Kernel, do NOT buy our C1 board. Sorry about that." With such an honest answer, I would go buy an ODROID-C1. >>> >>> Well, it was the same a couple of years ago for Allwinner, so I don't >>> know why discouraging people to try to mainline the Amlogic SoCs. >>> Amlogic SDK is a pain in the ass, but at least Amlogic is _extremely_ >>> responsive (not at all like Allwinner, at the beginning at least) and >>> usually the engineers are willing to provide datasheets and >>> information (they wrote a datasheet from scratch just for me when I >>> asked for some more info on clock trees). >>> >> >> Last time I looked I had to sign a NDA to access the SDK so that's a >> no-go for me. > > this one? http://openlinux.amlogic.com:8000/download/ARM/kernel/ Maybe things have changed since then. When it was big news that Amlogic set up a developer community site I looked at it and I was required to register to access anything and had to sign a NDA to register. If they fixed the NDA thing then that's a good news. Some of the Amlogic chips look good spec-wise. Thanks Michal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "linux-sunxi" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to linux-sunxi+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [linux-sunxi] Re: 2015 SBC survey by Linux Foundation/LinuxGizmos
On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Michal Suchanek wrote: > On 16 June 2015 at 10:09, Carlo Caione wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:52 PM, 'Simos Xenitellis' via linux-sunxi >> wrote: >>> What the RPi and ODroid do really well, is that they have a great >>> active community, >>> and that includes support even in non-technical levels. >>> Even the ODROID-C1 does not fully support yet the mainline Linux kernel, >>> http://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=111&t=8288 >>> but the person working at the forum is there to answer honestly with >>> "Because the C1 Kernel had been heavily customized too much by SoC >>> vendor, it is not easy to port the mainline kernel. >>> If you really want to run the mainline Kernel, do NOT buy our C1 >>> board. Sorry about that." >>> With such an honest answer, I would go buy an ODROID-C1. >> >> Well, it was the same a couple of years ago for Allwinner, so I don't >> know why discouraging people to try to mainline the Amlogic SoCs. >> Amlogic SDK is a pain in the ass, but at least Amlogic is _extremely_ >> responsive (not at all like Allwinner, at the beginning at least) and >> usually the engineers are willing to provide datasheets and >> information (they wrote a datasheet from scratch just for me when I >> asked for some more info on clock trees). >> > > Last time I looked I had to sign a NDA to access the SDK so that's a > no-go for me. this one? http://openlinux.amlogic.com:8000/download/ARM/kernel/ -- Carlo Caione -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "linux-sunxi" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to linux-sunxi+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [linux-sunxi] Re: 2015 SBC survey by Linux Foundation/LinuxGizmos
On 16 June 2015 at 10:09, Carlo Caione wrote: > On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:52 PM, 'Simos Xenitellis' via linux-sunxi > wrote: >> What the RPi and ODroid do really well, is that they have a great >> active community, >> and that includes support even in non-technical levels. >> Even the ODROID-C1 does not fully support yet the mainline Linux kernel, >> http://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=111&t=8288 >> but the person working at the forum is there to answer honestly with >> "Because the C1 Kernel had been heavily customized too much by SoC >> vendor, it is not easy to port the mainline kernel. >> If you really want to run the mainline Kernel, do NOT buy our C1 >> board. Sorry about that." >> With such an honest answer, I would go buy an ODROID-C1. > > Well, it was the same a couple of years ago for Allwinner, so I don't > know why discouraging people to try to mainline the Amlogic SoCs. > Amlogic SDK is a pain in the ass, but at least Amlogic is _extremely_ > responsive (not at all like Allwinner, at the beginning at least) and > usually the engineers are willing to provide datasheets and > information (they wrote a datasheet from scratch just for me when I > asked for some more info on clock trees). > Last time I looked I had to sign a NDA to access the SDK so that's a no-go for me. Thanks Michal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "linux-sunxi" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to linux-sunxi+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [linux-sunxi] Re: 2015 SBC survey by Linux Foundation/LinuxGizmos
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:52 PM, 'Simos Xenitellis' via linux-sunxi wrote: > What the RPi and ODroid do really well, is that they have a great > active community, > and that includes support even in non-technical levels. > Even the ODROID-C1 does not fully support yet the mainline Linux kernel, > http://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=111&t=8288 > but the person working at the forum is there to answer honestly with > "Because the C1 Kernel had been heavily customized too much by SoC > vendor, it is not easy to port the mainline kernel. > If you really want to run the mainline Kernel, do NOT buy our C1 > board. Sorry about that." > With such an honest answer, I would go buy an ODROID-C1. Well, it was the same a couple of years ago for Allwinner, so I don't know why discouraging people to try to mainline the Amlogic SoCs. Amlogic SDK is a pain in the ass, but at least Amlogic is _extremely_ responsive (not at all like Allwinner, at the beginning at least) and usually the engineers are willing to provide datasheets and information (they wrote a datasheet from scratch just for me when I asked for some more info on clock trees). -- Carlo Caione -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "linux-sunxi" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to linux-sunxi+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [linux-sunxi] Re: 2015 SBC survey by Linux Foundation/LinuxGizmos
On Friday, June 12, 2015 at 3:52:25 PM UTC+2, Simos Xenitellis wrote: > On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Luc Verhaegen wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 11:46:27AM +0300, 'Simos Xenitellis' via > > linux-sunxi wrote: > >> On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Simos Xenitellis < > >> simos.lists at googlemail.com> wrote: > >> > >> > Hi All, > >> > > >> > The Linux Foundation and Linux Gizmos are running (also) this year a > >> > survey on small-board computers, > >> > 1. > >> > http://www.linux.com/news/embedded-mobile/mobile-linux/831550-survey-best-linux-hacker-sbcs-for-under-200 > >> > 2. > >> > http://linuxgizmos.com/rate-these-sub-200dollar-hacker-sbcs-win-one-of-20/ > >> > > >> > This year they include 54 SBCs, out of which 12 are based on Allwinner > >> > SoCs, > >> > a. Two from Olimex > >> > b. One from SinoVoip > >> > c. One from LeMaker > >> > d. Three from CubieTech > >> > e. Three from LinkSprite > >> > f. Two from Shenzhen Xunlong Software > >> > > >> > The result of the survey is to produce a Top 10 list based on popularity. > >> > The purpose of the survey appears to be to gauge interest in open designs > >> > of boards and get manufacturers to work towards that direction. > >> > > >> > Here are the guidelines for the inclusion of a new board to the list, > >> > > >> > http://linuxgizmos.com/rate-your-favorite-open-single-board-computers/#open-sbc-guidelines > >> > > >> > If a company is producing developer boards and satisfy the requirements > >> > for inclusion, they can provide five boards to the Linux Foundation so > >> > that > >> > they are given away to those that took the survey. At this survey, there > >> > are four different boards to be given away and none has an Allwinner SoC. > >> > > >> > Here is the survey, > >> > https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/2015SBCS > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> The 2015 Hacker SBC Survey has ended and here are the results, > >> http://linuxgizmos.com/raspberry-pi-stays-sky-high-in-2015-hacker-sbc-survey/ > >> > >> Specifically, > >> > >> 1. The survey had a special feature where you picked three SBCs depending > >> on how favorite they were to you. > >> Then, it would triple the votes for Choice #1, double the votes for Choice > >> #2 and extract the results. > >> Obviously, such a method favors what has been put as Choice #1, the most > >> favorite. > >> > >> 2. At positions #1 and #3, the Raspberry Pi 2 and Raspberry Pi > >> respectively. Yep, the single core Raspberry Pi got third place. > >> 3. At position #2 was the BeagleBone Black. > >> > >> 4. In the top ten, there were three ODROID SBCs. ODROID is doing a great > >> job in promoting their boards. > >> They have a great page showcasing what you can do with their boards (such > >> as > >> http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G141578608433), > >> they have a monthly magazine at http://magazine.odroid.com/ and their forum > >> is very active. > >> > >> 5. Out of the 53 Small Board Computers in the competition, there were no > >> Allwinner boards this year in the top Ten. > >> 6. An easy comparison of the specs for the Top Ten is at > >> http://files.linuxgizmos.com/2015-hacker-sbc-survey-top-10-sbc-specs-comparison.jpg > >> It is interesting to notice that several Mali and PowerVR GPUs make it to > >> the top ten. > >> > >> 7. The Raspberry Pis have the Videocode IV GPU. When the first RPi board > >> was released, it did not have a free driver for the GPU. > >> Two years later, Broadcom released some source and documentation which were > >> not sufficient. > >> The turning point was in June 2014 when Eric Anholt was employed by > >> Broadcom to write a free driver for VC4, > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VideoCore#Linux_support > >> > >> 8. There were three Cubieboard models which got 357 points > >> and two OLinuXino models that got 195 points. > >> 9. In the 2014 SBC Survey, the Banana Pi got the fifth place. > >> This year, the companies (LeMaker, SinoVoip) that made the Banana Pi > >> decided to split, creating their separate products. > >> The SinoVoip board got 14th place, the LeMaker got the 16th place. > >> 10. The Orange Pi was quite low in the ranking (too new entrant for the > >> survey). > >> > >> 11. Among the buying criteria, the highest was "Open source software > >> support" (sic). > >> Next came the "Community ecosystem". > >> I think these two are critical for the success of an SBC, and companies > >> that make SBCs, > >> should make effort to create such communities. > >> > >> Simos > > > > Amazing how you left the following snippet out: > > > > "One processor trend did seem clear, however, judging both from the > > selections and reader comments. The open source community appears to be > > increasingly frustrated with Allwinner’s Linux support. While three > > Allwinner based boards made last year’s top 10, there are none this > > year. After the 11th Place Cubieboard4, with its octacore Allwinner A80, > > the next Allwinner board on the list is the A31-base
Re: [linux-sunxi] Re: 2015 SBC survey by Linux Foundation/LinuxGizmos
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 9:52 AM, 'Simos Xenitellis' via linux-sunxi wrote: > On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Luc Verhaegen wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 11:46:27AM +0300, 'Simos Xenitellis' via linux-sunxi >> wrote: >>> On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Simos Xenitellis < >>> simos.li...@googlemail.com> wrote: >>> >>> > Hi All, >>> > >>> > The Linux Foundation and Linux Gizmos are running (also) this year a >>> > survey on small-board computers, >>> > 1. >>> > http://www.linux.com/news/embedded-mobile/mobile-linux/831550-survey-best-linux-hacker-sbcs-for-under-200 >>> > 2. >>> > http://linuxgizmos.com/rate-these-sub-200dollar-hacker-sbcs-win-one-of-20/ >>> > >>> > This year they include 54 SBCs, out of which 12 are based on Allwinner >>> > SoCs, >>> > a. Two from Olimex >>> > b. One from SinoVoip >>> > c. One from LeMaker >>> > d. Three from CubieTech >>> > e. Three from LinkSprite >>> > f. Two from Shenzhen Xunlong Software >>> > >>> > The result of the survey is to produce a Top 10 list based on popularity. >>> > The purpose of the survey appears to be to gauge interest in open designs >>> > of boards and get manufacturers to work towards that direction. >>> > >>> > Here are the guidelines for the inclusion of a new board to the list, >>> > >>> > http://linuxgizmos.com/rate-your-favorite-open-single-board-computers/#open-sbc-guidelines >>> > >>> > If a company is producing developer boards and satisfy the requirements >>> > for inclusion, they can provide five boards to the Linux Foundation so >>> > that >>> > they are given away to those that took the survey. At this survey, there >>> > are four different boards to be given away and none has an Allwinner SoC. >>> > >>> > Here is the survey, >>> > https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/2015SBCS >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> The 2015 Hacker SBC Survey has ended and here are the results, >>> http://linuxgizmos.com/raspberry-pi-stays-sky-high-in-2015-hacker-sbc-survey/ >>> >>> Specifically, >>> >>> 1. The survey had a special feature where you picked three SBCs depending >>> on how favorite they were to you. >>> Then, it would triple the votes for Choice #1, double the votes for Choice >>> #2 and extract the results. >>> Obviously, such a method favors what has been put as Choice #1, the most >>> favorite. >>> >>> 2. At positions #1 and #3, the Raspberry Pi 2 and Raspberry Pi >>> respectively. Yep, the single core Raspberry Pi got third place. >>> 3. At position #2 was the BeagleBone Black. >>> >>> 4. In the top ten, there were three ODROID SBCs. ODROID is doing a great >>> job in promoting their boards. >>> They have a great page showcasing what you can do with their boards (such >>> as >>> http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G141578608433), >>> they have a monthly magazine at http://magazine.odroid.com/ and their forum >>> is very active. >>> >>> 5. Out of the 53 Small Board Computers in the competition, there were no >>> Allwinner boards this year in the top Ten. >>> 6. An easy comparison of the specs for the Top Ten is at >>> http://files.linuxgizmos.com/2015-hacker-sbc-survey-top-10-sbc-specs-comparison.jpg >>> It is interesting to notice that several Mali and PowerVR GPUs make it to >>> the top ten. >>> >>> 7. The Raspberry Pis have the Videocode IV GPU. When the first RPi board >>> was released, it did not have a free driver for the GPU. >>> Two years later, Broadcom released some source and documentation which were >>> not sufficient. >>> The turning point was in June 2014 when Eric Anholt was employed by >>> Broadcom to write a free driver for VC4, >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VideoCore#Linux_support >>> >>> 8. There were three Cubieboard models which got 357 points >>> and two OLinuXino models that got 195 points. >>> 9. In the 2014 SBC Survey, the Banana Pi got the fifth place. >>> This year, the companies (LeMaker, SinoVoip) that made the Banana Pi >>> decided to split, creating their separate products. >>> The SinoVoip board got 14th place, the LeMaker got the 16th place. >>> 10. The Orange Pi was quite low in the ranking (too new entrant for the >>> survey). >>> >>> 11. Among the buying criteria, the highest was "Open source software >>> support" (sic). >>> Next came the "Community ecosystem". >>> I think these two are critical for the success of an SBC, and companies >>> that make SBCs, >>> should make effort to create such communities. >>> >>> Simos >> >> Amazing how you left the following snippet out: >> >> "One processor trend did seem clear, however, judging both from the >> selections and reader comments. The open source community appears to be >> increasingly frustrated with Allwinner’s Linux support. While three >> Allwinner based boards made last year’s top 10, there are none this >> year. After the 11th Place Cubieboard4, with its octacore Allwinner A80, >> the next Allwinner board on the list is the A31-based Banana Pi M2 at >> number 14." >> > > Frankly, I did not notice that sentence while skimming the artic
Re: [linux-sunxi] Re: 2015 SBC survey by Linux Foundation/LinuxGizmos
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Luc Verhaegen wrote: > On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 11:46:27AM +0300, 'Simos Xenitellis' via linux-sunxi > wrote: >> On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Simos Xenitellis < >> simos.li...@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >> > Hi All, >> > >> > The Linux Foundation and Linux Gizmos are running (also) this year a >> > survey on small-board computers, >> > 1. >> > http://www.linux.com/news/embedded-mobile/mobile-linux/831550-survey-best-linux-hacker-sbcs-for-under-200 >> > 2. >> > http://linuxgizmos.com/rate-these-sub-200dollar-hacker-sbcs-win-one-of-20/ >> > >> > This year they include 54 SBCs, out of which 12 are based on Allwinner >> > SoCs, >> > a. Two from Olimex >> > b. One from SinoVoip >> > c. One from LeMaker >> > d. Three from CubieTech >> > e. Three from LinkSprite >> > f. Two from Shenzhen Xunlong Software >> > >> > The result of the survey is to produce a Top 10 list based on popularity. >> > The purpose of the survey appears to be to gauge interest in open designs >> > of boards and get manufacturers to work towards that direction. >> > >> > Here are the guidelines for the inclusion of a new board to the list, >> > >> > http://linuxgizmos.com/rate-your-favorite-open-single-board-computers/#open-sbc-guidelines >> > >> > If a company is producing developer boards and satisfy the requirements >> > for inclusion, they can provide five boards to the Linux Foundation so that >> > they are given away to those that took the survey. At this survey, there >> > are four different boards to be given away and none has an Allwinner SoC. >> > >> > Here is the survey, >> > https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/2015SBCS >> > >> > >> > >> The 2015 Hacker SBC Survey has ended and here are the results, >> http://linuxgizmos.com/raspberry-pi-stays-sky-high-in-2015-hacker-sbc-survey/ >> >> Specifically, >> >> 1. The survey had a special feature where you picked three SBCs depending >> on how favorite they were to you. >> Then, it would triple the votes for Choice #1, double the votes for Choice >> #2 and extract the results. >> Obviously, such a method favors what has been put as Choice #1, the most >> favorite. >> >> 2. At positions #1 and #3, the Raspberry Pi 2 and Raspberry Pi >> respectively. Yep, the single core Raspberry Pi got third place. >> 3. At position #2 was the BeagleBone Black. >> >> 4. In the top ten, there were three ODROID SBCs. ODROID is doing a great >> job in promoting their boards. >> They have a great page showcasing what you can do with their boards (such >> as >> http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G141578608433), >> they have a monthly magazine at http://magazine.odroid.com/ and their forum >> is very active. >> >> 5. Out of the 53 Small Board Computers in the competition, there were no >> Allwinner boards this year in the top Ten. >> 6. An easy comparison of the specs for the Top Ten is at >> http://files.linuxgizmos.com/2015-hacker-sbc-survey-top-10-sbc-specs-comparison.jpg >> It is interesting to notice that several Mali and PowerVR GPUs make it to >> the top ten. >> >> 7. The Raspberry Pis have the Videocode IV GPU. When the first RPi board >> was released, it did not have a free driver for the GPU. >> Two years later, Broadcom released some source and documentation which were >> not sufficient. >> The turning point was in June 2014 when Eric Anholt was employed by >> Broadcom to write a free driver for VC4, >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VideoCore#Linux_support >> >> 8. There were three Cubieboard models which got 357 points >> and two OLinuXino models that got 195 points. >> 9. In the 2014 SBC Survey, the Banana Pi got the fifth place. >> This year, the companies (LeMaker, SinoVoip) that made the Banana Pi >> decided to split, creating their separate products. >> The SinoVoip board got 14th place, the LeMaker got the 16th place. >> 10. The Orange Pi was quite low in the ranking (too new entrant for the >> survey). >> >> 11. Among the buying criteria, the highest was "Open source software >> support" (sic). >> Next came the "Community ecosystem". >> I think these two are critical for the success of an SBC, and companies >> that make SBCs, >> should make effort to create such communities. >> >> Simos > > Amazing how you left the following snippet out: > > "One processor trend did seem clear, however, judging both from the > selections and reader comments. The open source community appears to be > increasingly frustrated with Allwinner’s Linux support. While three > Allwinner based boards made last year’s top 10, there are none this > year. After the 11th Place Cubieboard4, with its octacore Allwinner A80, > the next Allwinner board on the list is the A31-based Banana Pi M2 at > number 14." > Frankly, I did not notice that sentence while skimming the article. I would not have a reason not to mention it since you would definitely discover it. What the RPi and ODroid do really well, is that they have a great active community, and that includes suppo
Re: [linux-sunxi] Re: 2015 SBC survey by Linux Foundation/LinuxGizmos
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 11:13:34AM +0200, Luc Verhaegen wrote: > On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 11:46:27AM +0300, 'Simos Xenitellis' via linux-sunxi > wrote: > > On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Simos Xenitellis < > > simos.li...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > The Linux Foundation and Linux Gizmos are running (also) this year a > > > survey on small-board computers, > > > 1. > > > http://www.linux.com/news/embedded-mobile/mobile-linux/831550-survey-best-linux-hacker-sbcs-for-under-200 > > > 2. > > > http://linuxgizmos.com/rate-these-sub-200dollar-hacker-sbcs-win-one-of-20/ > > > > > > This year they include 54 SBCs, out of which 12 are based on Allwinner > > > SoCs, > > > a. Two from Olimex > > > b. One from SinoVoip > > > c. One from LeMaker > > > d. Three from CubieTech > > > e. Three from LinkSprite > > > f. Two from Shenzhen Xunlong Software > > > > > > The result of the survey is to produce a Top 10 list based on popularity. > > > The purpose of the survey appears to be to gauge interest in open designs > > > of boards and get manufacturers to work towards that direction. > > > > > > Here are the guidelines for the inclusion of a new board to the list, > > > > > > http://linuxgizmos.com/rate-your-favorite-open-single-board-computers/#open-sbc-guidelines > > > > > > If a company is producing developer boards and satisfy the requirements > > > for inclusion, they can provide five boards to the Linux Foundation so > > > that > > > they are given away to those that took the survey. At this survey, there > > > are four different boards to be given away and none has an Allwinner SoC. > > > > > > Here is the survey, > > > https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/2015SBCS > > > > > > > > > > > The 2015 Hacker SBC Survey has ended and here are the results, > > http://linuxgizmos.com/raspberry-pi-stays-sky-high-in-2015-hacker-sbc-survey/ > > > > Specifically, > > > > 1. The survey had a special feature where you picked three SBCs depending > > on how favorite they were to you. > > Then, it would triple the votes for Choice #1, double the votes for Choice > > #2 and extract the results. > > Obviously, such a method favors what has been put as Choice #1, the most > > favorite. > > > > 2. At positions #1 and #3, the Raspberry Pi 2 and Raspberry Pi > > respectively. Yep, the single core Raspberry Pi got third place. > > 3. At position #2 was the BeagleBone Black. > > > > 4. In the top ten, there were three ODROID SBCs. ODROID is doing a great > > job in promoting their boards. > > They have a great page showcasing what you can do with their boards (such > > as > > http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G141578608433), > > they have a monthly magazine at http://magazine.odroid.com/ and their forum > > is very active. > > > > 5. Out of the 53 Small Board Computers in the competition, there were no > > Allwinner boards this year in the top Ten. > > 6. An easy comparison of the specs for the Top Ten is at > > http://files.linuxgizmos.com/2015-hacker-sbc-survey-top-10-sbc-specs-comparison.jpg > > It is interesting to notice that several Mali and PowerVR GPUs make it to > > the top ten. > > > > 7. The Raspberry Pis have the Videocode IV GPU. When the first RPi board > > was released, it did not have a free driver for the GPU. > > Two years later, Broadcom released some source and documentation which were > > not sufficient. > > The turning point was in June 2014 when Eric Anholt was employed by > > Broadcom to write a free driver for VC4, > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VideoCore#Linux_support > > > > 8. There were three Cubieboard models which got 357 points > > and two OLinuXino models that got 195 points. > > 9. In the 2014 SBC Survey, the Banana Pi got the fifth place. > > This year, the companies (LeMaker, SinoVoip) that made the Banana Pi > > decided to split, creating their separate products. > > The SinoVoip board got 14th place, the LeMaker got the 16th place. > > 10. The Orange Pi was quite low in the ranking (too new entrant for the > > survey). > > > > 11. Among the buying criteria, the highest was "Open source software > > support" (sic). > > Next came the "Community ecosystem". > > I think these two are critical for the success of an SBC, and companies > > that make SBCs, > > should make effort to create such communities. > > > > Simos > > Amazing how you left the following snippet out: > > "One processor trend did seem clear, however, judging both from the > selections and reader comments. The open source community appears to be > increasingly frustrated with Allwinner’s Linux support. While three > Allwinner based boards made last year’s top 10, there are none this > year. After the 11th Place Cubieboard4, with its octacore Allwinner A80, > the next Allwinner board on the list is the A31-based Banana Pi M2 at > number 14." > > People would think that that is the most relevant statement in that > whole survey, but not a hint of it can be seen in your email
Re: [linux-sunxi] Re: 2015 SBC survey by Linux Foundation/LinuxGizmos
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 11:46:27AM +0300, 'Simos Xenitellis' via linux-sunxi wrote: > On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Simos Xenitellis < > simos.li...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > The Linux Foundation and Linux Gizmos are running (also) this year a > > survey on small-board computers, > > 1. > > http://www.linux.com/news/embedded-mobile/mobile-linux/831550-survey-best-linux-hacker-sbcs-for-under-200 > > 2. > > http://linuxgizmos.com/rate-these-sub-200dollar-hacker-sbcs-win-one-of-20/ > > > > This year they include 54 SBCs, out of which 12 are based on Allwinner > > SoCs, > > a. Two from Olimex > > b. One from SinoVoip > > c. One from LeMaker > > d. Three from CubieTech > > e. Three from LinkSprite > > f. Two from Shenzhen Xunlong Software > > > > The result of the survey is to produce a Top 10 list based on popularity. > > The purpose of the survey appears to be to gauge interest in open designs > > of boards and get manufacturers to work towards that direction. > > > > Here are the guidelines for the inclusion of a new board to the list, > > > > http://linuxgizmos.com/rate-your-favorite-open-single-board-computers/#open-sbc-guidelines > > > > If a company is producing developer boards and satisfy the requirements > > for inclusion, they can provide five boards to the Linux Foundation so that > > they are given away to those that took the survey. At this survey, there > > are four different boards to be given away and none has an Allwinner SoC. > > > > Here is the survey, > > https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/2015SBCS > > > > > > > The 2015 Hacker SBC Survey has ended and here are the results, > http://linuxgizmos.com/raspberry-pi-stays-sky-high-in-2015-hacker-sbc-survey/ > > Specifically, > > 1. The survey had a special feature where you picked three SBCs depending > on how favorite they were to you. > Then, it would triple the votes for Choice #1, double the votes for Choice > #2 and extract the results. > Obviously, such a method favors what has been put as Choice #1, the most > favorite. > > 2. At positions #1 and #3, the Raspberry Pi 2 and Raspberry Pi > respectively. Yep, the single core Raspberry Pi got third place. > 3. At position #2 was the BeagleBone Black. > > 4. In the top ten, there were three ODROID SBCs. ODROID is doing a great > job in promoting their boards. > They have a great page showcasing what you can do with their boards (such > as > http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G141578608433), > they have a monthly magazine at http://magazine.odroid.com/ and their forum > is very active. > > 5. Out of the 53 Small Board Computers in the competition, there were no > Allwinner boards this year in the top Ten. > 6. An easy comparison of the specs for the Top Ten is at > http://files.linuxgizmos.com/2015-hacker-sbc-survey-top-10-sbc-specs-comparison.jpg > It is interesting to notice that several Mali and PowerVR GPUs make it to > the top ten. > > 7. The Raspberry Pis have the Videocode IV GPU. When the first RPi board > was released, it did not have a free driver for the GPU. > Two years later, Broadcom released some source and documentation which were > not sufficient. > The turning point was in June 2014 when Eric Anholt was employed by > Broadcom to write a free driver for VC4, > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VideoCore#Linux_support > > 8. There were three Cubieboard models which got 357 points > and two OLinuXino models that got 195 points. > 9. In the 2014 SBC Survey, the Banana Pi got the fifth place. > This year, the companies (LeMaker, SinoVoip) that made the Banana Pi > decided to split, creating their separate products. > The SinoVoip board got 14th place, the LeMaker got the 16th place. > 10. The Orange Pi was quite low in the ranking (too new entrant for the > survey). > > 11. Among the buying criteria, the highest was "Open source software > support" (sic). > Next came the "Community ecosystem". > I think these two are critical for the success of an SBC, and companies > that make SBCs, > should make effort to create such communities. > > Simos Amazing how you left the following snippet out: "One processor trend did seem clear, however, judging both from the selections and reader comments. The open source community appears to be increasingly frustrated with Allwinner’s Linux support. While three Allwinner based boards made last year’s top 10, there are none this year. After the 11th Place Cubieboard4, with its octacore Allwinner A80, the next Allwinner board on the list is the A31-based Banana Pi M2 at number 14." People would think that that is the most relevant statement in that whole survey, but not a hint of it can be seen in your email. Stop trying to distort the truth. Similarly, i cannot find any mention of your point 7 in that article. But thanks for reminding me that that would not have happened if it was not for the fact that i did lima, and that i "corrected" the Raspberry Pi Foundations big but ultimately st
[linux-sunxi] Re: 2015 SBC survey by Linux Foundation/LinuxGizmos
On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Simos Xenitellis < simos.li...@googlemail.com> wrote: > Hi All, > > The Linux Foundation and Linux Gizmos are running (also) this year a > survey on small-board computers, > 1. > http://www.linux.com/news/embedded-mobile/mobile-linux/831550-survey-best-linux-hacker-sbcs-for-under-200 > 2. > http://linuxgizmos.com/rate-these-sub-200dollar-hacker-sbcs-win-one-of-20/ > > This year they include 54 SBCs, out of which 12 are based on Allwinner > SoCs, > a. Two from Olimex > b. One from SinoVoip > c. One from LeMaker > d. Three from CubieTech > e. Three from LinkSprite > f. Two from Shenzhen Xunlong Software > > The result of the survey is to produce a Top 10 list based on popularity. > The purpose of the survey appears to be to gauge interest in open designs > of boards and get manufacturers to work towards that direction. > > Here are the guidelines for the inclusion of a new board to the list, > > http://linuxgizmos.com/rate-your-favorite-open-single-board-computers/#open-sbc-guidelines > > If a company is producing developer boards and satisfy the requirements > for inclusion, they can provide five boards to the Linux Foundation so that > they are given away to those that took the survey. At this survey, there > are four different boards to be given away and none has an Allwinner SoC. > > Here is the survey, > https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/2015SBCS > > > The 2015 Hacker SBC Survey has ended and here are the results, http://linuxgizmos.com/raspberry-pi-stays-sky-high-in-2015-hacker-sbc-survey/ Specifically, 1. The survey had a special feature where you picked three SBCs depending on how favorite they were to you. Then, it would triple the votes for Choice #1, double the votes for Choice #2 and extract the results. Obviously, such a method favors what has been put as Choice #1, the most favorite. 2. At positions #1 and #3, the Raspberry Pi 2 and Raspberry Pi respectively. Yep, the single core Raspberry Pi got third place. 3. At position #2 was the BeagleBone Black. 4. In the top ten, there were three ODROID SBCs. ODROID is doing a great job in promoting their boards. They have a great page showcasing what you can do with their boards (such as http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G141578608433), they have a monthly magazine at http://magazine.odroid.com/ and their forum is very active. 5. Out of the 53 Small Board Computers in the competition, there were no Allwinner boards this year in the top Ten. 6. An easy comparison of the specs for the Top Ten is at http://files.linuxgizmos.com/2015-hacker-sbc-survey-top-10-sbc-specs-comparison.jpg It is interesting to notice that several Mali and PowerVR GPUs make it to the top ten. 7. The Raspberry Pis have the Videocode IV GPU. When the first RPi board was released, it did not have a free driver for the GPU. Two years later, Broadcom released some source and documentation which were not sufficient. The turning point was in June 2014 when Eric Anholt was employed by Broadcom to write a free driver for VC4, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VideoCore#Linux_support 8. There were three Cubieboard models which got 357 points and two OLinuXino models that got 195 points. 9. In the 2014 SBC Survey, the Banana Pi got the fifth place. This year, the companies (LeMaker, SinoVoip) that made the Banana Pi decided to split, creating their separate products. The SinoVoip board got 14th place, the LeMaker got the 16th place. 10. The Orange Pi was quite low in the ranking (too new entrant for the survey). 11. Among the buying criteria, the highest was "Open source software support" (sic). Next came the "Community ecosystem". I think these two are critical for the success of an SBC, and companies that make SBCs, should make effort to create such communities. Simos -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "linux-sunxi" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to linux-sunxi+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.