Re: dodgy hd
2009/6/17 Barry Marchant > > > Steve Holdoway wrote: >> >> On Tue, 2009-06-16 at 07:19 +1200, Jim Cheetham wrote: >> >> >>> SAMSUNG HD753LJ s/n S13UJ1NQB01779 was the one that failed. Failure >>> was more than "just" the filesystem, I was unable to read or write to >>> the partition table. >> >> That comment was aimed at Barry, the OP who restored his filesystem >> using an alternate superblock and has had no problem since... >> > I have had no problems since, because I have done nothing with the faulty ptn > apart from copying everything on the ptn to a external hd. It has been > returned to Dove and I await their response. BTW the drive was a WD1600AAJB. > The superblock failed and running 'cp /dev/hda6 /dev/null' reported at least > 2 unreadable sectors. It still managed to boot on another ptn after I deleted > the faulty 1 from fstab, but with many complaints. > > THanks for all the replies > > Barry > Something which I have found useful in some cases is SpinRite ( www.grc.com/spinrite.htm ), which can perform low-level analysis and recovery of hard drive sectors. It's not free, but has been invaluable to me in the past (not recently, touch wood :) $0.02, David -- The meek don't want it.
Re: dodgy hd
Steve Holdoway wrote: On Tue, 2009-06-16 at 07:19 +1200, Jim Cheetham wrote: SAMSUNG HD753LJ s/n S13UJ1NQB01779 was the one that failed. Failure was more than "just" the filesystem, I was unable to read or write to the partition table. That comment was aimed at Barry, the OP who restored his filesystem using an alternate superblock and has had no problem since... I have had no problems since, because I have done nothing with the faulty ptn apart from copying everything on the ptn to a external hd. It has been returned to Dove and I await their response. BTW the drive was a WD1600AAJB. The superblock failed and running 'cp /dev/hda6 /dev/null' reported at least 2 unreadable sectors. It still managed to boot on another ptn after I deleted the faulty 1 from fstab, but with many complaints. THanks for all the replies Barry
Re: Internet shortages
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Bryce Stenberg wrote: > > > >>-Original Message- >>From: steve [mailto:st...@greengecko.co.nz] >>Sent: Sunday, 14 June 2009 6:44 p.m. >>At one job, the most sensible/cost effective way to provide >>fairly reliable internet access was to have 2 ADSL routers, and when > the >>one in use failed, the spare was put in and the dead one replaced under >>warranty to become the new spare one. >> > My Linksys wag160n just failed last week. It would keep an adsl > connection but lose the internet - it would lose the internet randomly > once every couple of months (I thought it was ISP) but got progressively > worse, and was exacerbated when the wireless was connected. Took about > a week of to and fro with Linksys support to get them to point of > admitting that it must be faulty. So replaced it under warranty and all > is good now. > > But does anyone know what is the deal with warranties? I'd had it for > about a year. It came with a 2 year warranty - the store replaced it > with a brand new one - and say I have one year of warranty left, not the > two years a brand new one should have! Since this is my second faulty > unit in a year I imagine that I will be left routerless by the end of > the warranty period at the current rate of failure. > Surely if they give you a brand new replacement it should be warrantied > at least the length of manufacturer's normal new unit warranty? (I just > checked and the manufacturers warranty is only one year so I'm still ok > on the deal, but the principle still seems wrong - another failure in 11 > months time will get me a brand new replacement unit with only one month > of warranty!). > Is this right for them to be able to do this - dodgy manufacturers can > just keep giving out cheap dodgy replacements until the warranty runs > out... > > Regards, Bryce Stenberg. The Consumer Guarantees Act may apply (if you are a consumer and not a commercial buyer.)
Warranties (was RE: Internet shortages)
On Tue, 2009-06-16 at 09:57 +1200, Bryce Stenberg wrote: > Is this right for them to be able to do this - dodgy manufacturers can > just keep giving out cheap dodgy replacements until the warranty runs > out... Unfortunately yes. hads -- http://nicegear.co.nz New Zealand's Open Source Hardware Supplier
RE: Internet shortages
>-Original Message- >From: steve [mailto:st...@greengecko.co.nz] >Sent: Sunday, 14 June 2009 6:44 p.m. >At one job, the most sensible/cost effective way to provide >fairly reliable internet access was to have 2 ADSL routers, and when the >one in use failed, the spare was put in and the dead one replaced under >warranty to become the new spare one. > My Linksys wag160n just failed last week. It would keep an adsl connection but lose the internet - it would lose the internet randomly once every couple of months (I thought it was ISP) but got progressively worse, and was exacerbated when the wireless was connected. Took about a week of to and fro with Linksys support to get them to point of admitting that it must be faulty. So replaced it under warranty and all is good now. But does anyone know what is the deal with warranties? I'd had it for about a year. It came with a 2 year warranty - the store replaced it with a brand new one - and say I have one year of warranty left, not the two years a brand new one should have! Since this is my second faulty unit in a year I imagine that I will be left routerless by the end of the warranty period at the current rate of failure. Surely if they give you a brand new replacement it should be warrantied at least the length of manufacturer's normal new unit warranty? (I just checked and the manufacturers warranty is only one year so I'm still ok on the deal, but the principle still seems wrong - another failure in 11 months time will get me a brand new replacement unit with only one month of warranty!). Is this right for them to be able to do this - dodgy manufacturers can just keep giving out cheap dodgy replacements until the warranty runs out... Regards, Bryce Stenberg. DISCLAIMER: If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately by reply email, facsimile or collect telephone call to +64 3 9641200 and destroy the original. Please refer to full DISCLAIMER at http://www.hrnz.co.nz/eDisclaimer.htm
Re: dodgy hd
On Tue, 2009-06-16 at 08:14 +1200, Jim Cheetham wrote: > Ah, OK. Down here in Dunedin I was probably too busy listening to the > list of school closures due to snow, and didn't check the comment > trail properly :-) > > -jim Heh - not here... yet (: Steve
Re: dodgy hd
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 8:08 AM, Steve Holdoway wrote: > On Tue, 2009-06-16 at 07:19 +1200, Jim Cheetham wrote: >> SAMSUNG HD753LJ s/n S13UJ1NQB01779 was the one that failed. Failure >> was more than "just" the filesystem, I was unable to read or write to >> the partition table. > That comment was aimed at Barry, the OP who restored his filesystem > using an alternate superblock and has had no problem since... Ah, OK. Down here in Dunedin I was probably too busy listening to the list of school closures due to snow, and didn't check the comment trail properly :-) -jim
Re: dodgy hd
On Tue, 2009-06-16 at 07:19 +1200, Jim Cheetham wrote: > SAMSUNG HD753LJ s/n S13UJ1NQB01779 was the one that failed. Failure > was more than "just" the filesystem, I was unable to read or write to > the partition table. That comment was aimed at Barry, the OP who restored his filesystem using an alternate superblock and has had no problem since...
Re: dodgy hd
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 10:15 PM, Hadley Rich wrote: > On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 22:08 +1200, Steve Holdoway wrote: >> Please tell me they weren't wd greens. I've had a 1TB fail within 5 >> minutes... in fact I've had more fail this year than in the last 10. > > Always interesting. I've had several quick Seagate failures lately, and > have been having a good run so far with the WD Greenpowers. SAMSUNG HD753LJ s/n S13UJ1NQB01779 was the one that failed. Failure was more than "just" the filesystem, I was unable to read or write to the partition table. Googling suggests http://www.samsung.com/global/business/hdd/productmodel.do?type=61&subtype=63&model_cd=248 -jim
Re: dodgy hd
On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 22:08 +1200, Steve Holdoway wrote: > Please tell me they weren't wd greens. I've had a 1TB fail within 5 > minutes... in fact I've had more fail this year than in the last 10. Always interesting. I've had several quick Seagate failures lately, and have been having a good run so far with the WD Greenpowers. hads -- http://nicegear.co.nz New Zealand's Open Source Hardware Supplier
Re: dodgy hd
On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 21:27 +1200, Jim Cheetham wrote: > On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Volker > Kuhlmann wrote: > > Any disk with bad sectors within warranty goes back to maker. Period. > > Agreed, I received two 750GBs about three months ago (with consecutive > serial numbers, sadly) and one has failed already, been straight back > to the vendor and been replaced. > Please tell me they weren't wd greens. I've had a 1TB fail within 5 minutes... in fact I've had more fail this year than in the last 10. It is questionable in this case whether it's a disk failure or not... it was the file system that fell apart and that's not *guaranteed* to be the disk at fault. Steve
Re: dodgy hd
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Volker Kuhlmann wrote: > Any disk with bad sectors within warranty goes back to maker. Period. Agreed, I received two 750GBs about three months ago (with consecutive serial numbers, sadly) and one has failed already, been straight back to the vendor and been replaced. However, in my case diagnosis was easy; the drive was detected as being present by the OS, but nothing could be read from it at all (i.e. not even the partition table). Some vendors will try to reduce their return rate by saying that if they find nothing wrong, they will not replace the item. In these cases it's better to have a good set of diagnostic results available to show what you've done (i.e. SMART data, or possibly something from a liveCD like http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/). In any case, Dove should be reliable, tell them what's happened and organise a replacement drive. By default you need to return the old one first (one reason why I run everything on RAID1) but they may well be flexible if you talk to them. -jim
Re: Internet shortages
Dan Wallis wrote: 2009/6/15 Roger Searle : Very similar situation at home in that there is no connection - AFTER SOME HOURS OF INACTIVITY - for example while we have been away from home for 9 or so hours (though router, ISP, geographical location etc are all different). I have no further clues, and just take this to be the quality of service we have to tolerate. The fix is always the same - power down the router, wait 10 seconds, plug back in, wait a couple of minutes, then all is well with the world once more. Is it possible that your router is disconnecting for some reason? I recall seeing an option that sounded similar to that when setting up a client's network. I selected the option to never sleep/disconnect, and they've not reported any problems. Perhaps there's something like that in your configuration that you can change. Or maybe it's happening at the local exchange, or your ISP. Does your modem report any loss of connection in its logs? ADSL disconnects will also occour randomly if someone (e.g. my kids) has plugged in a phone somewhere in the house without using a filter
Re: Internet shortages
2009/6/15 Roger Searle : > Very similar situation at home in that there is no connection - AFTER SOME > HOURS OF INACTIVITY - for example while we have been away from home for 9 or > so hours (though router, ISP, geographical location etc are all different). > I have no further clues, and just take this to be the quality of service we > have to tolerate. The fix is always the same - power down the router, wait > 10 seconds, plug back in, wait a couple of minutes, then all is well with > the world once more. Is it possible that your router is disconnecting for some reason? I recall seeing an option that sounded similar to that when setting up a client's network. I selected the option to never sleep/disconnect, and they've not reported any problems. Perhaps there's something like that in your configuration that you can change. Or maybe it's happening at the local exchange, or your ISP. Does your modem report any loss of connection in its logs?
Re: dodgy hd
> oops, 120 gig from dove Any disk with bad sectors within warranty goes back to maker. Period. Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me.
