Re: The Net Tightens

2002-06-12 Thread Richard Thompson

On Wed, 2002-06-12 at 10:32, Pam R wrote:
> One advantage of living in the UK is the number of organisations that want to 
> look after you...
>  
> 
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2002%2F06%2F12%2Fnripa12.xml 
> 
> Pam
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This is a {bad_thing}.  Still, we colonials are diligently attempting to
keep pace - our President has decided to begin locking up American
citizens without benefit of trial, council or grand jury indictment,
citing a edict pronounced in a declared war that occured half a century
ago.  Kinda makes me wonder why we bothered fighting you lot in the
first place. Gotta do a "hats off" to the Pres, though.  This sure
showed the American public that he isn't just some dangerously insecure
Tejano FDR wanna-be, but is instead firmly in control of the war on
terror.  

-Richard


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Re: Mozilla 1.0 BugFeature

2002-06-12 Thread Roger Oberholtzer

On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 21:45:17 -0500
Michael Hipp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I don't want to run a second instance as the same user. I just want to be 
> able to click on a link, say in Kmail, and have the silly thing come up. 
> Works in every other browser known to mankind.
> 
> Yes. You can run it twice from within. But from without it refuses. Tabbed
> browsing only works from within the app.
> 
> Where is "-remoteURL(foo)" documented? I've now seen 4 different versions
> of this sort of option and can't find the real deal anywhere? I'd like to
> RTFM if I could find one.

As of Mozilla 1.0, this is different. The command is:

mozilla -remote "openurl(%s,new-window)"

replacing %s with whatever gets the name of the url you want.

Check out:  http://www.mozilla.org/unix/remote.html

(I got the address from running 'mozilla --help')


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Re: The Net Tightens

2002-06-12 Thread Roger Oberholtzer

On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 15:01:35 -0500
"Richard R. Sivernell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:47:20 +
> Terence McCarthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > stand
> 
>   Sounds like you people in the mother country are about
> to have a sticky wicket there. While this is  not funny
> yet you do have a problem. You all need to nip this in the bud.
> This could spread to the colonies you know.

They probably just want to track my mobile phone usage near petrol stations.
I always get animated screams over that one.

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Re: The wonders of Slackware

2002-06-12 Thread Myles Green

On June 12, 2002 09:26 pm, Aaron Grewell wrote:
> I just installed Slack for the first time.  I now know why the rave
> reviews keep coming for this thing.  The hardware I put it on is
> older than dirt, but nonetheless I still have disk space left.  I am
> amazed. One question:   Besides the Slackware site and its mirrors,
> where do I get precompiled packages for this thing?  I realize that

http://linuxmafia.org/


> might seem like a violation of the Slackware ethos, but last time I
> compiled Samba on this box it took 3 days.  Literally.  I have no
> desire to go through that again if I can avoid it.  Worse, they don't
> seem to ship OpenLDAP at all, or if they do I haven't found it. 
> Tips/hints/etc from the Slack crowd would be welcome.

Poke around in the contrib directory at ftp.slackware.com (or a mirror 
close to you) there's a few goodies in there. Also, it looks like Slack 
8.1 is very close - they're at rc3 now =) 

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Re: I'm a Graduate!

2002-06-12 Thread stayler

Congrats Tom,

Well done..

stayler

On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 21:46:37 -0400, Tom Wilson wrote:

>Finally after 10 years of indecisiveness and 4 years of college, I am a 
>Graduate!! 
>
>Man it feels good.  
>
>Thank you, I am done now.  

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Re: The Net Tightens

2002-06-12 Thread Keith Antoine

On Thursday 13 June 2002 06:01 am, Richard R. Sivernell enshrined in prose:
> On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:47:20 +
>
> Terence McCarthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > stand
>
>   Sounds like you people in the mother country are about
> to have a sticky wicket there. While this is  not funny
> yet you do have a problem. You all need to nip this in the bud.
> This could spread to the colonies you know.
>
> cheers

Nah, not in orstralia! we are all convicts, no one cares what happens to us 
and the pollies here know just about all there is to know about everyone 
anyrate. Even our Prime Minster toadies to George (watch TV)...
Mind you we are getting pissed off, now that a sight worth seeing.

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Re: The Net Tightens

2002-06-12 Thread Keith Antoine

On Thursday 13 June 2002 04:32 am, Pam R enshrined in prose:
> a

Could not even read that in kmail.


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The wonders of Slackware

2002-06-12 Thread Aaron Grewell

I just installed Slack for the first time.  I now know why the rave 
reviews keep coming for this thing.  The hardware I put it on is older 
than dirt, but nonetheless I still have disk space left.  I am amazed. 
 One question:   Besides the Slackware site and its mirrors, where do I 
get precompiled packages for this thing?  I realize that might seem like 
a violation of the Slackware ethos, but last time I compiled Samba on 
this box it took 3 days.  Literally.  I have no desire to go through 
that again if I can avoid it.  Worse, they don't seem to ship OpenLDAP 
at all, or if they do I haven't found it.  Tips/hints/etc from the Slack 
crowd would be welcome.

Thx,
-Aaron

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Re: Is there any problem running 3 or more compiles at a time - KDE3 Build

2002-06-12 Thread Kurt Wall

Also sprach James McDonald:
>
> Hi,
> 
> Just wondering, I have a 1.3GHz CPU and 760 MB DDR RAM question is
>   Is there any problem with running make on three or four
>   different KDE3 
> packages at a time if you have resources to do so or will they stomp
> on each other?

No, there shouldn't be an issue. If they do stomp on each other, then
the makefiles are badly broken.

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Re: Is there any problem running 3 or more compiles at a time - KDE3Build

2002-06-12 Thread Bob Raymond

James McDonald wrote:

>Hi,
>
>Just wondering, I have a 1.3GHz CPU and 760 MB DDR RAM question is
>   Is there any problem with running make on three or four different KDE3 
>packages at a time if you have resources to do so or will they stomp on each 
>other?
>
>$ free
> total   used   free sharedbuffers cached
>Mem:739532 666524  73008  0 109212 280220
>-/+ buffers/cache: 277092 462440
>Swap:  1437808  569481380860
>
>  
>
You should be fine.  I've compiled as many as 10 on a 433mhz Celeron, 
128MB PC100 SDRAM (KDE ran slow,
and so did the compiles.  I had 256mb SWAP).  I routinely do KDE 
compiles like that on my 1.4ghz Athlon, 512
MB PC133 SDRAM.



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Re: Mozilla 1.0 BugFeature

2002-06-12 Thread Michael Hipp

I don't want to run a second instance as the same user. I just want to be 
able to click on a link, say in Kmail, and have the silly thing come up. 
Works in every other browser known to mankind.

Yes. You can run it twice from within. But from without it refuses. Tabbed 
browsing only works from within the app.

Where is "-remoteURL(foo)" documented? I've now seen 4 different versions of 
this sort of option and can't find the real deal anywhere? I'd like to RTFM 
if I could find one.

Thanks,
Michael

On Wednesday 12 June 2002 08:42 pm, Kurt Wall wrote:
> Also sprach Michael Hipp:
> > Probably not everyone will agree, but I deem this to be a showstopper
> > BugFeature (tm) in Mozilla 1.0.
> >
> > Seems they have intentionally made it so that multiple instances of
> > the browser cannot be run. So simply clicking on a link in Kmail to
> > bring up a second window won't work. Or even just running it twice
> > from the CLI or menu won't either.
>
> Why would you want to run a second instance as the same user? Why not
> just enabled tabbed browsing and configure other apps to use
> "mozilla -remoteURL(foo)"? Mozilla's enough of a porker as it is without
> running two instances.
>
> Just for the record, I have two instances of Mozilla running right now.
>
> Kurt
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Re: Mozilla 1.0 BugFeature

2002-06-12 Thread Kurt Wall

Also sprach Kurt Wall:
>
> Why would you want to run a second instance as the same user? Why not
> just enabled tabbed browsing and configure other apps to use 
> "mozilla -remoteURL(foo)"? Mozilla's enough of a porker as it is
> without running two instances.

Err, I meant "mozilla -remote 'openURL(%s)'"

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Re: Mozilla 1.0 BugFeature

2002-06-12 Thread Kurt Wall

Also sprach Michael Hipp:
>
> Probably not everyone will agree, but I deem this to be a showstopper 
> BugFeature (tm) in Mozilla 1.0.
> 
> Seems they have intentionally made it so that multiple instances of
> the browser cannot be run. So simply clicking on a link in Kmail to
> bring up a second window won't work. Or even just running it twice
> from the CLI or menu won't either.

Why would you want to run a second instance as the same user? Why not
just enabled tabbed browsing and configure other apps to use 
"mozilla -remoteURL(foo)"? Mozilla's enough of a porker as it is without
running two instances.

Just for the record, I have two instances of Mozilla running right now.

Kurt

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Re: I'm a Graduate!

2002-06-12 Thread Andrew Mathews

Tom Wilson wrote:
> Finally after 10 years of indecisiveness and 4 years of college, I am a 
> Graduate!! 
> 
> Man it feels good.  
> 
> Thank you, I am done now.  
> 

Congratulations Tom. Here's a tip of a virtual beer to your successes.

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Re: The Net Tightens

2002-06-12 Thread Andrew Mathews

Ronnie Gauthier wrote:
> I dare say that if it spreads to the colonies we shall be forced to throw 
> their tea into the harbor.


Okay Ronnie, that's two good ones in one day. You been taking those 
funny pills? 
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Re: I'm a Graduate!

2002-06-12 Thread Net Llama!

congrats!  what's your degree in, and from where?

Tom Wilson wrote:
> Finally after 10 years of indecisiveness and 4 years of college, I am a 
> Graduate!! 
> 
> Man it feels good.  
> 
> Thank you, I am done now.  
> 


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Re: Is there any problem running 3 or more compiles at a time - KDE3Build

2002-06-12 Thread Net Llama!

As long as you're not trying to install them all to the same place, it 
should work fine, although they will take the equivalent of running them 
on a PII-400.

James McDonald wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Just wondering, I have a 1.3GHz CPU and 760 MB DDR RAM question is
>   Is there any problem with running make on three or four different KDE3 
> packages at a time if you have resources to do so or will they stomp on each 
> other?
> 
> $ free
>  total   used   free sharedbuffers cached
> Mem:739532 666524  73008  0 109212 280220
> -/+ buffers/cache: 277092 462440
> Swap:  1437808  569481380860
> 


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I'm a Graduate!

2002-06-12 Thread Tom Wilson

Finally after 10 years of indecisiveness and 4 years of college, I am a 
Graduate!! 

Man it feels good.  

Thank you, I am done now.  

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Is there any problem running 3 or more compiles at a time - KDE3 Build

2002-06-12 Thread James McDonald

Hi,

Just wondering, I have a 1.3GHz CPU and 760 MB DDR RAM question is
Is there any problem with running make on three or four different KDE3 
packages at a time if you have resources to do so or will they stomp on each 
other?

$ free
 total   used   free sharedbuffers cached
Mem:739532 666524  73008  0 109212 280220
-/+ buffers/cache: 277092 462440
Swap:  1437808  569481380860

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Re: Mozilla 1.0 BugFeature

2002-06-12 Thread Joel Hammer

I forget where I got this info from, but netscape has an option which allows
you to open a link in a running instance of netscape. Netscape starts with a
script, so the following script I put together (full of bugs but it works):
#!/bin/bash
a=`ps xuw | grep mozilla | grep -v grep`
# [ "$a" ] || a=`ps xuw | grep netscape | grep -v grep`
[ -n "$a" ] && {
/usr/local/netscape/netscape -remote "openURL(`xclip -o`)" &
 }
[ -z "$a" ] && {
/usr/local/netscape/netscape "`xclip -o`" &
}
Mozilla may have a similar option.

Of course, I can't even find where the binary is anymore.
Joel



On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 08:18:45PM -0500, Michael Hipp wrote:
> Probably not everyone will agree, but I deem this to be a showstopper 
> BugFeature (tm) in Mozilla 1.0.
> 
> Seems they have intentionally made it so that multiple instances of the 
> browser cannot be run. So simply clicking on a link in Kmail to bring up a 
> second window won't work. Or even just running it twice from the CLI or 
> menu won't either.
> 
> Here's one of several Bugzilla's about it:
> http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135137
> 
> Note that I can run multiple instances of Opera, Konqueror, Internet 
> Explorer, Netscape, and even Mozilla (before 1.0rc3) with no worries about 
> "profile corruption".
> 
> This makes Mozilla largely useless as a browser to me - most every time I 
> click on a link it refuses to start.
> 
> Is there any other worthwhile choice other than Opera?
> 
> Michael
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Re: Mozilla 1.0 BugFeature

2002-06-12 Thread Mike Chambers

- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Hipp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Linux Users" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 8:18 PM
Subject: Mozilla 1.0 BugFeature


> Is there any other worthwhile choice other than Opera?

Try Galeon.

Mike

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Mozilla 1.0 BugFeature

2002-06-12 Thread Michael Hipp

Probably not everyone will agree, but I deem this to be a showstopper 
BugFeature (tm) in Mozilla 1.0.

Seems they have intentionally made it so that multiple instances of the 
browser cannot be run. So simply clicking on a link in Kmail to bring up a 
second window won't work. Or even just running it twice from the CLI or 
menu won't either.

Here's one of several Bugzilla's about it:
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135137

Note that I can run multiple instances of Opera, Konqueror, Internet 
Explorer, Netscape, and even Mozilla (before 1.0rc3) with no worries about 
"profile corruption".

This makes Mozilla largely useless as a browser to me - most every time I 
click on a link it refuses to start.

Is there any other worthwhile choice other than Opera?

Michael

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Re: Analogies & Metaphors

2002-06-12 Thread Kurt Wall

Also sprach Ronnie Gauthier:
>
> Got this from another list I'm on. Enjoy...makes yoiu wonder just what
> experience they went through to come up with these.

Stop! Please! I can't breathe!

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Re: Analogies & Metaphors

2002-06-12 Thread Bob Raymond

Bill Davidson wrote:

>On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:33:32 -0500
>Ronnie Gauthier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Got this from another list I'm on. Enjoy...makes yoiu wonder just what
>>experience they went through to come up with these.
>>
>>
>
>ROFL... Are these high school essays, or Deep Thoughts by Jack Handy?
>___
>  
>
Maybe excerpts from the contributors' high school essays, but more that 
they appeared first in the Style
Invitational, a weekly feature that runs on Sundays in the Washington 
Post Style section.  I recognized the
names from a few frequent contributors.  Check it out sometime!

I might add that the Washington Post boasts one of the world's best 
comics sections- three to four pages
of black and white during the week, and two whole sections, the first 
section being six pages, and the
second being four- on Sundays.



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Re: The Net Tightens

2002-06-12 Thread Ronnie Gauthier

I dare say that if it spreads to the colonies we shall be forced to throw 
their tea into the harbor.

On Wednesday 12 June 2002 03:01 pm, Richard R. Sivernell wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:47:20 +
>
> Terence McCarthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > stand
>
>   Sounds like you people in the mother country are about
> to have a sticky wicket there. While this is  not funny
> yet you do have a problem. You all need to nip this in the bud.
> This could spread to the colonies you know.
>
> cheers


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Steal the hard disk! -Linux to the rescue.

2002-06-12 Thread Terence McCarthy

This just caught my eye:-

http://www.kewney.com/articles/020611-nodisk.html

Terence
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Re: More strife

2002-06-12 Thread Keith Antoine

On Wednesday 12 June 2002 11:15 pm, stayler enshrined in prose:
> On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 07:21:46 +1000, Keith Antoine wrote:
> >No never have just the old Make, mrproper, clean, xconfig, dep bzImage and
> > so on manually. I do it that way cos the machine is fast enough to
> > compile it in a few minutes.
> >BTW it is not the kernel AFAIK, as it just does not appear on the boot
> > screen so as I can boot with it. It has been entered into
> > /boot/grub/menu.lst and made default but grub is not seeing it.
>
> Indeed that is quite strange.  I just got back from a trip up north,
> were you able to get around this problem?
>
> stayler

NO! and it becomes starnger, yesterday I took another look at this and 
thought that lilo might be installed. Went to lilo.conf editted it called 
lilo and it told me that it was not active and that grub was. So I went to 
menu.conf and took OUT all ref to 2.4.13 kernel. Rebooted called uname -a and 
it told me 2.4.13, sheesh.. 2.4.18 is in boot and I have modules 
its all installed but cannot access it.
BTW I have done a grep  command to tell grub to reinstall the new 
menu.lst in the boot choice but nothing.

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Re: Analogies & Metaphors

2002-06-12 Thread Bill Davidson

On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:33:32 -0500
Ronnie Gauthier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Got this from another list I'm on. Enjoy...makes yoiu wonder just what
> experience they went through to come up with these.

ROFL... Are these high school essays, or Deep Thoughts by Jack Handy?
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Re: Feds, industry battle the biggest network bug (The Register)

2002-06-12 Thread Terence McCarthy

On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 20:55:57 +0100
Pam R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Naughty naughty programmers to be relying on open-source rubbush.

You mean, without reading it, (or even checking the spelling?)?
 
> Pam
> --
> Tony Blair and Bill Gates are my heroes.

Says it all really. :-))


Terence
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Re: Analogies & Metaphors

2002-06-12 Thread Terence McCarthy

On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:33:32 -0500
Ronnie Gauthier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Got this from another list I'm on. Enjoy...makes yoiu wonder just what
> experience they went through to come up with these.

I don't want to know, but, boy, some of them are classics!

VMT for the laughter.

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Re: Analogies & Metaphors

2002-06-12 Thread Keith Morse

On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Ronnie Gauthier wrote:

> Got this from another list I'm on. Enjoy...makes yoiu wonder just what 
> experience they went through to come up with these.
> 


Stop it.  Stop it.  You're killing me.

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Re: The Net Tightens

2002-06-12 Thread Richard R. Sivernell

On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:47:20 +
Terence McCarthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> stand

  Sounds like you people in the mother country are about
to have a sticky wicket there. While this is  not funny
yet you do have a problem. You all need to nip this in the bud.
This could spread to the colonies you know.

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Re: Feds, industry battle the biggest network bug (The Register)

2002-06-12 Thread Pam R

On Wednesday 12 June 2002 8:35 pm, Terence McCarthy wrote:
> This story (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/25693.html) talks about
> the ASN.1 problems. To a neophyte of the protocols etc., of the internet it
> seems worrying: to a computer user the following is frightening:
>
> "So severe are the potential ramifications of widespread ASN.1 security
> holes, that President Bush was personally briefed on the matter, according
> to cyber security czar Richard Clarke, speaking at a meeting of the
> National Security Telecommunications Advisory Committee (NSTAC) last
> March."
>
> Then:
>
> "With that mandate, Howard Schmidt, FORMER MICROSOFT SECURITY CHIEF (my
> caps) and newly-appointed vice chairman of the President's Critical
> Infrastructure Protection Board, created a full-time "Cyber Interagency
> Working Group" in February to examine the government's vulnerability to
> ASN.1 implementation holes."
>

And another quote from the story:
"Additionally, programmers often borrow and reuse code from prior 
implementations of a protocol, or from open-source software, taking the flaws 
along with it. "

Naughty naughty programmers to be relying on open-source rubbush.

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Re: The Net Tightens

2002-06-12 Thread R. Quenett

e dicta Pam R:

"  One advantage of living in the UK is the number of organisations that want to 
"  look after you...

Lucky you.  'Course, we're lucky too.  Who isn't?

This quote, seen in a tagline recently, may be evocative...

"  Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of
"  authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made
"  to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are
"  men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They
"  promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.
"  
"  - Daniel Webster

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Re: The Net Tightens

2002-06-12 Thread Terence McCarthy

On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:32:55 +0100
Pam R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> One advantage of living in the UK is the number of organisations that want to look 
>after you...

Shouldn't that be "The Web Tightens" ?

Write to your MP: check out the following- http://www.stand.org.uk/

does it.

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Analogies & Metaphors

2002-06-12 Thread Ronnie Gauthier

Got this from another list I'm on. Enjoy...makes yoiu wonder just what 
experience they went through to come up with these.

 Original Message 


Subject: Analogies & Metaphors found in High School Essays



Her face was a perfect oval, like a circle that had its 2 other sides
gently compressed by a Thigh Master.

>>Sue Lin Chong, Washington
>>

His thoughts tumbled in his head, making and breaking alliances like
underpants in a dryer without Cling Free.

>>Chuck Smith, Woodbridge
>>

He spoke with wisdom that can only come from experience, like a Guy who
went blind because he looked at a solar eclipse without one of those
boxes
with a pinhole in it and now goes around the country speaking at  high
schools about dangers of looking at a solar eclipse without one of those
boxes with a pinhole in it.

>>Joseph Romm, Washington
>>

Her hair glistened in the rain like nose hair after a sneeze.

>-Chuck Smith, Woodbridge

>>

Her eyes were like two brown circles with big black dots in the
center.

>>-Russell Beland, Springfield
>>

>>Bob was as perplexed as a hacker who means to access

T:flw.quid55328.com\aaakk/ch@ung but gets
T:\flw.quidaaakk/ch@ung by mistake.

>>-Ken Krattenmaker, Landover Hills
>>

Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever.

>>-Unknown
>>

He was as tall as a six-foot-three-inch tree.

>>-Jack Bross, Chevy Chase
>>

The hailstones leaped from the pavement, just like maggots when you fry
them in hot grease.

>>-Gary F. Hevel, Silver Spring
>>

>>Long separated by cruel fate, star-crossed lovers raced across the grassy
field toward each other like two freight trains, one having left
Cleveland
at 6:36 p.m. traveling at 55 mph, the other from Topeka at 4:19 p.m. at
a
speed of 35 mph.

>>-Jennifer Hart, Arlington
>>

A politician was gone but unnoticed, like the period after the Dr.
on a Dr Pepper can.

>>-Wayne Goode, Madison,AL
>>

They lived in a typical suburban neighborhood with picket fences that
resembled Nancy Kerrigan's teeth.

>>-Paul Kocak, Syracuse NY
>>

John & Mary had never met. They were like two hummingbirds who had also
never met.

>>-Russell Beland, Springfield
>>

The thunder was ominous sounding, much like sound of a thin sheet of
metal
being shaken backstage during the storm scene in a play.

>>-Barbara Fetherolf, Alexandria
>>

The red brick wall was the color of a brick-red Crayola crayon.

>>-Unknown
>>

He fell for her like his heart was a mob informant and she was the East
River.

>>Brian Broadus, Charlottesville
>>

Even in his last years, Grandpappy had a mind like a steel trap, only
one
that had been left out so long, it had rusted shut. -

>>Sandra Hull, Arlington
>>

The door had been forced, as forced as the dialogue during the
interview portion of "Jeopardy!"

>>-Jean Sorensen, Herndon
>>

Shots rang out, as shots are wont to do.
  -Jerry Pannullo, Kensington

>>

The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil,
this plan just might work.

>>-Malcolm Fleschner, Arlington
>>

The young fighter had a hungry look, the kind you get from not eating
for a
while.

>>-Malcolm Fleschner, Arlington
>>

"Oh, Jason, take me!" she panted, her breasts heaving like a college
freshman on $1-a-beer night.

>>-Bonnie Speary Devore, Gaithersburg
>>

He was as lame as a duck. Not the metaphorical lame duck either, but a
real
duck that was actually lame. Maybe from stepping on a land mine or
something.

>>-John Kammer, Herndon
>>

Her artistic sense was exquisitely refined, like someone who can tell
butter from I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.

>>-Barbara Collier, Garrett Park
>>

She had a deep, throaty, genuine laugh, like that sound a dog makes just
before it throws up.

>>-Susan Reese, Arlington
>>

It came down the stairs looking very much like something no one had ever
seen before.

>>-Marian Carlsson, Lexington
>>

The knife was as sharp as the tone used by Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee
(D-Tex.)
in her first several points of parliamentary procedure made to Rep.
Henry
Hyde (R-Ill.) in the House Judiciary Committee hearings on the
impeachment
of President William Jefferson Clinton.

>>-J. F. Knowles, Springfield
>>

The ballerina rose gracefully en pointe and extended one slender leg
behind
her, like a dog at a fire hydrant.

>>-Jennifer Hart, Arlington
>>

The revelation that his marriage of 30 yrs had disintegrated because of
his
wife's infidelity came as a rude shock, like a surcharge at a formerly
surcharge-free ATM.

>>-Paul J. Kocak, Syracuse
>>

The dandelion swayed in the gentle breeze like an oscillating
electric fan set on medium.

>>-Unknown
>>

It was an American tradition, like fathers chasing kids around with
power
tools.

>>-Brian Broadus, Charlottesville
>>

He was deeply in love. When she spoke, he thought he heard bells, as if
she
were a garbage truck backing up.

>>-Susan Reese, Arlington
>>

She was as easy as the "TV Guide" crossword.

>>-Tom Witte, Gaithersburg
>>

Her eyes were like limpid pools, only they had forgotten to

Feds, industry battle the biggest network bug (The Register)

2002-06-12 Thread Terence McCarthy

This story (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/25693.html) talks about the ASN.1 
problems. To a neophyte of the protocols etc., of the internet it seems worrying: to a 
computer user the following is frightening: 

"So severe are the potential ramifications of widespread ASN.1 security holes, that 
President Bush was personally briefed on the matter, according to cyber security czar 
Richard Clarke, speaking at a meeting of the National Security Telecommunications 
Advisory Committee (NSTAC) last March."

Then:

"With that mandate, Howard Schmidt, FORMER MICROSOFT SECURITY CHIEF (my caps) and 
newly-appointed vice chairman of the President's Critical Infrastructure Protection 
Board, created a full-time "Cyber Interagency Working Group" in February to examine 
the government's vulnerability to ASN.1 implementation holes."

Sleep well in your beds!

Terence
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Re: Updated Step

2002-06-12 Thread Douglas J Hunley

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Tim Wunder spewed electrons into the ether that resembled:
> The Blackdown java link is still broken :-(
> It's looking for a tar.bz2 file and what's there is a .bin file. You probly
> just need to put the right file in the
> http://hunley.homeip.net/linux_sources/mozilla directory.

damn fat fingers
that was the right file. wrong link. fixed now. I swear
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The Net Tightens

2002-06-12 Thread Pam R

One advantage of living in the UK is the number of organisations that want to 
look after you...
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2002%2F06%2F12%2Fnripa12.xml 

Pam
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Re: Updated Step

2002-06-12 Thread Tim Wunder

On 6/12/2002 11:56 AM, someone claiming to be Nobody wrote:
> Douglas Hunley has just updated http://www.linux-sxs.org/mozilla.html to incorporate 
>the following:
> Updated to correct typos in the j2re url and some other minor nits
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The Blackdown java link is still broken :-(
It's looking for a tar.bz2 file and what's there is a .bin file. You probly just need 
to put the right file in the http://hunley.homeip.net/linux_sources/mozilla directory.

Tim

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RE: test - ignore me!

2002-06-12 Thread Condon Thomas A KPWA


> Richard R. Sivernell spewed electrons into the ether that resembled:
> > That will be hard to do
> 
> especially with those opinions of his :)
> - -- 
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Nor would this be a good habit to cultivate!


In Harmony's Way, and In A Chord,

Tom  :-})

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Updated Step

2002-06-12 Thread Nobody

Douglas Hunley has just updated http://www.linux-sxs.org/mozilla.html to incorporate 
the following:
Updated to correct typos in the j2re url and some other minor nits
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Re: Interesting discover

2002-06-12 Thread Lee

http://channels.netscape.com/ns/music/radio/default.jsp

The player that pops up after making a selection is called "Netscape
Station Sampler."







Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
> 
> www.spinner.com
> 
> On Tue, 11 Jun 2002 18:37:44 -0700
> Ken Moffat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > What's the URL?
> >
> > On Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:50:12 -0400
> > Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > have realplayer installed. Today got Spam from Netscape called "What's
> > > New." Typical music push for their spinner net music. Just for the
> > > heck of hit the access site. Taken to a page with their offers, also
> > > had listing for their canned music on spinner.com. Selected classical
> > > then barque from the menu and WOW! The thing plays! The player isn't
> > > realplayer, but a vastly stripped down version of the Spinner player.
> > > Strange.
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Re: Updated Step

2002-06-12 Thread Tim Wunder

On 6/11/2002 8:06 AM, someone claiming to be Nobody wrote:
> Douglas Hunley has just updated http://www.linux-sxs.org/mozilla.html to incorporate 
>the following:
> Updated to include a new step on building the PSM for https
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This is a great step and many thanks to Doug.

Some minor nits to pick:

Blackdown Java link is broken, thewre's a file in 
http://hunley.homeip.net/linux_sources/mozilla/ called  
j2re-1.3.1-02b-FCS-linux-i386.bin, is that what is needed? FWIW, I grabbed the tarball 
from balckdown proper.

RealPlayer link is broken, it links to 
http://hunley.homeip.net/linux/sources/mozilla/rp8_linux20_libc6_i386_cs2.bin and it 
probly should be 
http://hunley.homeip.net/linux_sources/mozilla/rp8_linux20_libc6_i386_cs2.bin

Step 5 referes to * cd xpinstaller/packager, that should be xpinstall/packager.
Additionally, when I create the link as shown, ln -s /opt/mozilla/mozilla 
/usr/bin/mozilla, then try to run /usr/bin/mozilla, I get an error:
Cannot find runtime directory. Exiting.
Running /opt/mozilla/mozilla works (I get an error that freetype support is not 
compiled in, but I don't know how inportant that is).

Step 9 says to "tar -xvzf linux-ar-405.tar.gz", but we were told to download 
linux-505.tar.gz.

Other than that it seems to have worked beautifully.

Regards, 
Tim






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Linux Peanut Info

2002-06-12 Thread Richard R. Sivernell

List

  Damn, Life is good again. I have sweated and read , reread Howto for pcmcia 
and now it is working. Partly cardset and understanding what is expected
and my limited knowledge. Sometime you have to go back to the school of 
HardKnocks . But we are there. I am using a PI 150 Mhz laptop, is there
any need for a step here. If so, I will write one. Thanks Lonnie & kurt 
especially and others who chimmed in and those prayers / sneers where
I could not see 

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Re: More strife

2002-06-12 Thread stayler

On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 07:21:46 +1000, Keith Antoine wrote:

>No never have just the old Make, mrproper, clean, xconfig, dep bzImage and so 
>on manually. I do it that way cos the machine is fast enough to compile it in 
>a few minutes.
>BTW it is not the kernel AFAIK, as it just does not appear on the boot screen 
>so as I can boot with it. It has been entered into /boot/grub/menu.lst and 
>made default but grub is not seeing it.

Indeed that is quite strange.  I just got back from a trip up north,
were you able to get around this problem?

stayler

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Re: We're burning

2002-06-12 Thread stayler

On Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:26:02 -0500, Ronnie Gauthier wrote:

>1859...from england...thomas austin.
>But AU should really import some of our american coyote's. They make wonderful 
>pets...and they eat cats too!

Along with the dreaded rabbit!  Very handy for those who want to keep a
yard. 8-)

I had three in the backyard last night!

stayler

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Re: keyboard

2002-06-12 Thread Brad De Vries

--- Ted Ozolins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> During the install of RH 7.3 the Logitech Itouch
> keyboard was recognized and 
> selected. However none of the additional keys seem
> to do anything. This 
> system is in Vancouver B.C. so I can't varify what
> it does or doesn't do. 
> Would this not be setup in xmodmap?
> -- 
> Ted Ozolins (VE7TVO)

Ted, if you're looking for support of the additional
keys in X then you might want to look at LinEAK at:
http://lineak.sourceforge.net/

Brad.

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Re: was all of the Linux team laid off at Caldera?

2002-06-12 Thread Roger Oberholtzer

On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 06:52:26 -0400
Kurt Wall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Also sprach Roger Oberholtzer:
> >
> > It was posted direct to me (I don't know why). The name is in the
> > message, but the guy asked not to be identified.  So I will respect
> > that. It did not come from a caldera.com address.
> 
> Are you certain it was a (former) Caldera employee?

One clue: it was from a .de e-mail address.


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Re: was all of the Linux team laid off at Caldera?

2002-06-12 Thread Roger Oberholtzer

On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 06:52:26 -0400
Kurt Wall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Also sprach Roger Oberholtzer:
> >
> > It was posted direct to me (I don't know why). The name is in the
> > message, but the guy asked not to be identified.  So I will respect
> > that. It did not come from a caldera.com address.
> 
> Are you certain it was a (former) Caldera employee?

Only because the individual claimed to be one. As I wrote, I did not
recognize the name. Not that this means much, as I only know a very
few names of people at Caldera.

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Re: was all of the Linux team laid off at Caldera?

2002-06-12 Thread Kurt Wall

Also sprach Roger Oberholtzer:
>
> It was posted direct to me (I don't know why). The name is in the
> message, but the guy asked not to be identified.  So I will respect
> that. It did not come from a caldera.com address.

Are you certain it was a (former) Caldera employee?

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Re: Interesting discover

2002-06-12 Thread Roger Oberholtzer

www.spinner.com

On Tue, 11 Jun 2002 18:37:44 -0700
Ken Moffat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> What's the URL?
> 
> On Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:50:12 -0400
> Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > have realplayer installed. Today got Spam from Netscape called "What's
> > New." Typical music push for their spinner net music. Just for the
> > heck of hit the access site. Taken to a page with their offers, also
> > had listing for their canned music on spinner.com. Selected classical
> > then barque from the menu and WOW! The thing plays! The player isn't
> > realplayer, but a vastly stripped down version of the Spinner player.
> > Strange.
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| Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43  |Phone: Int + 46 8   314223 |
| 115 32 Stockholm   |   Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 |
| Sweden |  Fax: Int + 46 8   302602 |
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