Re: idiocy

2003-03-15 Thread Kurt Wall
An unnamed Administration source, Matthew Carpenter, wrote:
% While I am very upset with this move, I would not be inclined to dismiss the
% teeth of these allegations.
% SCO owns code which was licensed to IBM for use in AIX.
% IBM has been sinking HUGE assets and time and mind-share into Linux,
% obviously hurting SCO in their big-hitters.

So? That doesn't translate into misappropriating trade secrets. 

% It will probably be tough to prove that IBM has not misappropriated their
% personnel such that people who have seen the code for certain Unix libraries
% have worked on the betterment of Linux... in a way that violates their
% license.

Uh, here in America, you have to prove guilt, not innocence. It's up to
SCO to prove beyond reasonable doubt that what they allege _did_ happen;
it's not up to IBM to prove that SCO's allegations are false. Moreover,
SCO's filing carefully avoids *any* discussion of BSD Unix, and it is 
hardly a secret that ATT and BSD *xen have borrowed heavily from each
other over the years. SCO's filing also conveniently ignores the USL v.
Cal Berkeley and BSDi lawsuit, and the fact that it was settled in Berkeley's
and BSDi's favor. Finally, SCO talks about trade secrets, not about
copyrighted code or patented algorithms.

SCO has perniciously misstated Unix and Linux history, and the history
of their own company. It was Caldera that gave Alan Cox the SMP machine
he used to develop SMP support for Linux, for example.

% Scoff at the management of SCO for being so incredibly idiotic and childish,
% but their lawsuit will no doubt make IBM stand up and take notice.

Of course the lawsuit will make IBM notice - if someone filed a frivolous
billion dollar lawsuit against me, I'd certainly notice. That said, this
has turned into a PR nightmare for SCO, and it ain't over yet. It's only
going to get worse.

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Re: News Flash! Rambus and SCO to merge!

2003-03-15 Thread Kurt Wall
An unnamed Administration source, Gerry Doris, wrote:
% http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/03/10/212241
% 
% 
% News Flash! Rambus and SCO to merge! (Score:5, Funny)
% by Newer Guy (520108)  on Monday March 10, @06:03PM (#5481084)
% 
% 
% In a surprise news announcement, the Chairman of rambus announces a historic
% merger with SCO unix. The merged company - to be called RAMBO - will be
% poised to respond to the challenges of the 21st century Chairman David Boies
% said today. We are in the enviable position of controlling both hardware and
% software Intellectual property Boies also announced Rambo's decision to sue
% Microsoft for the use of the name windows. and it's use for networking. I
% came up with the idea of windows networking 30 years ago Boies said. When I
% was a kid I opened the window and yelled to my friends that it was time to
% play baseball. This involved using a window to spread information to them. In
% other words, Windows networking

[chuckle, smirk, guffaw, snort]

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Re: idiocy

2003-03-15 Thread dep
begin  Kurt Wall's  quote:
| It's up to
| SCO to prove beyond reasonable doubt that what they allege _did_
| happen; it's not up to IBM to prove that SCO's allegations are
| false.

right, with one proviso: the standard in a civil case is preponderence 
of the evidence, bot reasonable doubt.
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Re: Question

2003-03-15 Thread ronnie gauthier
This might help.
http://linux.nixcraft.com/h2crh7xis/

On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 11:16:40 -0800 - Bill Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
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Re: Re: Question

On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 12:11:30PM -0600, Rick Sivernell wrote:
Lonnie

Thanks, actually I was playing with gimp. It has an acquire selection, it
gets the whole window. I now can select that which I need. Way  Gimp.

Now if somebody could tell me how to get screen shots during the
installation process to use documentating things like advanced
partitioning...  Currently I have a digital camera on a tripod behind me
with a remote trigger.  Getting the color balance right is a bit tricky.

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Re: First impressions of a $200 lindows box: Good

2003-03-15 Thread Joel Hammer
Oh boy. What will they do next.

I wondered why my .vimrc from my old machine wouldn't work with the new
lindows box. man vi showed the answer. They were using elvis as a replacement
for vi.  I downloaded vim  with synaptic (this debian stuff seems awfully
convenient) and now all is fine. 

rantIt sure is great having all these choices in linux. Makes you
wonder why linux hasn't taken over the desktop yet. Seriously, if a vi
like editor is good, why really do we need several clones, which really
do the same thing.  You would think that authors would just keep working
to make one vi clone the standard and highly convenient to use so as
to attract more users. In actuality, all they are doing is solving the
same problem over and over.  /rant

Joel

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Re: idiocy

2003-03-15 Thread Bill Campbell
On Sat, Mar 15, 2003 at 06:47:47AM -0500, dep wrote:
begin  Kurt Wall's  quote:
| It's up to
| SCO to prove beyond reasonable doubt that what they allege _did_
| happen; it's not up to IBM to prove that SCO's allegations are
| false.

right, with one proviso: the standard in a civil case is preponderence 
of the evidence, bot reasonable doubt.

The standard in a civil trial in the U.S. is really the amount of money the
lawyers can extract from all parties involved.  I would modify the ``loser
pays'' used in some places in Europe to require the lawyers of the loser to
pay, not the people they're representing.

Of course would be very difficult to implement in the U.S. where the vast
majority of legislators are lawyers, the Democratic party is a wholly owned
subsidiary of the ATLA (American Trial Lawyers Association), and here in
the state of Washington, the judges routinely throw out citizen initiatives
that threaten the power of the policitions.

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Re: First impressions of a $200 lindows box: Good

2003-03-15 Thread Bill Campbell
On Sat, Mar 15, 2003 at 12:43:51PM -0500, Joel Hammer wrote:
Oh boy. What will they do next.

I wondered why my .vimrc from my old machine wouldn't work with the new
lindows box. man vi showed the answer. They were using elvis as a replacement
for vi.  I downloaded vim  with synaptic (this debian stuff seems awfully
convenient) and now all is fine. 

rantIt sure is great having all these choices in linux. Makes you
wonder why linux hasn't taken over the desktop yet. Seriously, if a vi
like editor is good, why really do we need several clones, which really
do the same thing.  You would think that authors would just keep working
to make one vi clone the standard and highly convenient to use so as
to attract more users. In actuality, all they are doing is solving the
same problem over and over.  /rant

Vi clones have a long history, and I think that elvis was available long
before vim (the first time I would ever even think of using a DOS box was
about 1990 when I found elvis and perl that ran on DOS).  If there weren't
multiple choices, we would still be stuck with elvis.

I doubt that the target audience for the Wal-Mart Lindows box would know
the difference between vi, elvis, and vim.

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Re: Question

2003-03-15 Thread Bill Campbell
On Sat, Mar 15, 2003 at 07:47:35AM -0600, ronnie gauthier wrote:
This might help.
http://linux.nixcraft.com/h2crh7xis/

Interesting approach, but it may well be RH specific.

I got reasonable results using the digital camera on a tripod.  It's still
not perfect, but workable.  The draft I'm working on can be seen here:

http://support.celestial.com/doc/installsuse81/

This is a bit better than my first try I changed the angle of the screen to
be vertical rather than slightly tilted up which minimized the trapezoid
effect.  The camera was tilted slightly so the shots aren't perfectly
framed, but it's probably close enough for government work.

One thing I found out very early is that a long exposure is necessary to
get the screen image correct.  These shots were all made using with a
manual setting 1 second exposure at F-11 aperture.  I tried various WB
(White Balance) settings, ending up on the Olympus 2020 Zoom's AUTO
setting.  This got the screen pretty well, but the monitor body was a
fairly dark reddish brown.

I did a rough edit using the gimp on the images, basically cropping out the
monitor body, then Image-Colors-Levels-Auto to get them to their current
state.  Finally I wrote a very simple shell script that processed these
edited images with the ImageMagik ``convert'' program to create
consistently sized images for the web documentation:

for image in images.raw/*.jpg ; do
fname=`basename $image`
convert -geometry 800x600 $image images/$fname
convert -geometry 400x300 $image thumbnails/$fname
done

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Re: idiocy

2003-03-15 Thread Harry G
On Saturday 15 March 2003 01:52 pm, Bill Campbell wrote:
   I would modify the ``loser
 pays'' used in some places in Europe to require the lawyers of the loser to
 pay, not the people they're representing.

The only problem I see is that unless the lawyer feels the loser will have a 
lot of capital to loose, they won't want to bother with the case, but it 
would be a major improvment.

Harry G


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Re: Question

2003-03-15 Thread ronnie gauthier
On Sat, 15 Mar 2003 11:22:13 -0800 - Bill Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
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Re: Re: Question

On Sat, Mar 15, 2003 at 07:47:35AM -0600, ronnie gauthier wrote:
This might help.
http://linux.nixcraft.com/h2crh7xis/

Interesting approach, but it may well be RH specific.


I dont know if it will work on other distros or not. Seems reasonable that the
software to capture would have to reside and run on a different machine than
the one being installed to.
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Re: First impressions of a $200 lindows box: Good

2003-03-15 Thread Joel Hammer
Whew. Close call on this one. The man page says that rm comes configured
to require a y response to erase anything. I tried this out and this
was not true.

So, I made an alias:
  alias rm=rm -i

I tried it out and this time I was asked to respond to each file being
erased.

Image my chagrin, however, when I saw what I had typed. Instead of:
  rm junk*

I had typed:
  rm junk *

What a difference a single space makes! I suspect that rm sould not have
removed directories, but, I am not going to experiment to find out now.

Joel


 Yes, the rm stuff is important. I'll have to make sure I alias the rm
 command to something less damaging.
 
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Re: First impressions of a $200 lindows box: Good

2003-03-15 Thread Kurt Wall
An unnamed Administration source, Joel Hammer, wrote:
% Oh boy. What will they do next.
% 
% I wondered why my .vimrc from my old machine wouldn't work with the new
% lindows box. man vi showed the answer. They were using elvis as a replacement
% for vi.  I downloaded vim  with synaptic (this debian stuff seems awfully
% convenient) and now all is fine. 

Assuming you like vim, yes.

% rantIt sure is great having all these choices in linux. Makes you
% wonder why linux hasn't taken over the desktop yet. Seriously, if a vi
% like editor is good, why really do we need several clones, which really
% do the same thing.  You would think that authors would just keep working
% to make one vi clone the standard and highly convenient to use so as
% to attract more users. In actuality, all they are doing is solving the
% same problem over and over.  /rant

The same reason we have multiple word processors, databases, spreadsheets,
and graphics programs for Windows.

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Re: First impressions of a $200 lindows box: Good

2003-03-15 Thread Kurt Wall
An unnamed Administration source, Bill Campbell, wrote:

[clippety clip]
 
% I doubt that the target audience for the Wal-Mart Lindows box would know
% the difference between vi, elvis, and vim.

But they might appreciate vigor. ;-)

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Re: Question

2003-03-15 Thread Kurt Wall
An unnamed Administration source, Bill Campbell, wrote:
% On Sat, Mar 15, 2003 at 07:47:35AM -0600, ronnie gauthier wrote:
% This might help.
% http://linux.nixcraft.com/h2crh7xis/
% 
% Interesting approach, but it may well be RH specific.

Indeed. Using OpenLinux from The Company Whose Name I Shall Not Mention,
you could press Ctrl+d to dump PNG screenshots from the installer into the
RAM disk's /tmp filesystem. You had to move them out of /tmp before 
rebooting because they would go away, but it was a darn handy feature 
for taking screenshots for manuals and such.

In your case, Bill, you might be able to send the console output to
a serial port and take your screenshots that way. Another method is
to load the console framebuffer and then do, more or less, 

# cp /dev/fb0 somefile

I don't know what the output format is, but this is a start. 

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Re: First impressions of a $200 lindows box: Good

2003-03-15 Thread Leon Goldstein


Joel Hammer wrote inter alia:

Image my chagrin, however, when I saw what I had typed. Instead of:
 rm junk*

I had typed:
 rm junk *

What a difference a single space makes! I suspect that rm sould not have
removed directories, but, I am not going to experiment to find out now.


That is why we dactylographically challenged compute(w)rists appreciate
GUI.
I remember my delight upon installing PC Tools Deluxe on my first DOS
computer.
I was able to graft and prune my directories without wreaking havoc
(again) on my installation.
I still fire up my DOS box from time to time and remind myself that
there is software, and great software,
like PC Tools, pfs Pro Write, and of course, Word Perfect 6.2.
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Re: What's after OpenLinux?

2003-03-15 Thread Jerry McBride
On Fri, 07 Mar 2003 17:49:52 -0500 Jerry McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Well, it looks like I'll be spending some effort to swap out some OpenLinux
 boxes pretty soon. Principles you know...
 
 Can someone tell me, which of the various distributions are closest to
 OpenLinux in as far as directory locations and system V startup scripts? 
 

Well... I've come to the conclusion that gentoo is the next OS for use here at
home. It's... self hosting, highly configurable and a ton of fun. What I find
most useful of all... nearly 4000 packages are available for it.

It'll take a bit of effort to see how it fits into business setting... but it
looks very promising.

That said, good night all.

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Re: First impressions of a $200 lindows box: Good

2003-03-15 Thread Joel Hammer
Yes, but at least they give them different names! I heard some guru's
complaining that the menus in lindows were labelled generically, eg. web
browser instead of netscape. Calling elvis,vi, and vim all vi is really
confusing.
  
Joel

 The same reason we have multiple word processors, databases, spreadsheets,
 and graphics programs for Windows.
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Re: First impressions of a $200 lindows box: Good

2003-03-15 Thread Kurt Wall
An unnamed Administration source, Joel Hammer, wrote:
% Yes, but at least they give them different names! I heard some guru's
% complaining that the menus in lindows were labelled generically, eg. web
% browser instead of netscape. Calling elvis,vi, and vim all vi is really
% confusing.

Agreed. Slackware install elvis as the default vi but also ships vim
xvim (bleah). I've become too accustomed to elvis' peculiarities and 
care for vim's habit of dropping .viminfo in my home directory without
my permission.

Grmph.

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Re: What's after OpenLinux?

2003-03-15 Thread Collins Richey
On Sat, 15 Mar 2003 21:04:00 -0500
Jerry McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Fri, 07 Mar 2003 17:49:52 -0500 Jerry McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
  Well, it looks like I'll be spending some effort to swap out some OpenLinux
  boxes pretty soon. Principles you know...
  
  Can someone tell me, which of the various distributions are closest to
  OpenLinux in as far as directory locations and system V startup scripts? 
  
 
 Well... I've come to the conclusion that gentoo is the next OS for use here at
 home. It's... self hosting, highly configurable and a ton of fun. What I find
 most useful of all... nearly 4000 packages are available for it.
 
 It'll take a bit of effort to see how it fits into business setting... but it
 looks very promising.
 
 That said, good night all.
 

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Phoenix and Realplayer

2003-03-15 Thread Collins Richey
Does anyone now how to get realplayer to work with phoenix?  I've got RealPlayer8 
installed, and it works fine with konqueror (realplay is launched and plays the 
recording).  Phoenix about:plugins shows that it recognizes the realplay plugin - 
everything looks correct.

Everytime I select a realplay recording, I get an error box saying that the item can't 
be opened, and it looks like it's trying to open it with realplay.

Any ideas?

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Re: Question

2003-03-15 Thread Bill Campbell
On Sat, Mar 15, 2003 at 06:51:09PM -0500, Kurt Wall wrote:
An unnamed Administration source, Bill Campbell, wrote:
% On Sat, Mar 15, 2003 at 07:47:35AM -0600, ronnie gauthier wrote:
% This might help.
% http://linux.nixcraft.com/h2crh7xis/
% 
% Interesting approach, but it may well be RH specific.

Indeed. Using OpenLinux from The Company Whose Name I Shall Not Mention,
you could press Ctrl+d to dump PNG screenshots from the installer into the
RAM disk's /tmp filesystem. You had to move them out of /tmp before 
rebooting because they would go away, but it was a darn handy feature 
for taking screenshots for manuals and such.

Is that ctrl-d documented somewhere?

In your case, Bill, you might be able to send the console output to
a serial port and take your screenshots that way. Another method is
to load the console framebuffer and then do, more or less, 

# cp /dev/fb0 somefile

I don't know what the output format is, but this is a start. 

That could be interesting, particularly if (a) it's portable on the
versions of Linux I want to document, and (b) the format is something
useful.  It could require a fair quantity of ramdisk as the JPEG files from
my 2.1 megapixel camera required a bit over 25MB before cropping and
cleaning up with the gimp.

Bill
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Re: Question

2003-03-15 Thread Bill Campbell
On Sat, Mar 15, 2003 at 07:35:02PM -0500, David A. Bandel wrote:
..
Well, maybe I've been siffing too much glue here, but if you just want
screenshots of what you're doing, why don't you just do the install in a
vmware box and use xv to grab the shots you want?

That's a reasonable approach unless a vmware install would be substantially
different somehow than a normal installation.  It would also require that I
buy vmware which has been low on my round tuit list.

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Sound Servers on Linux - What the?

2003-03-15 Thread James McDonald
Folks

I have mandrake 9.0 on a  Via main board

/etc/modules.conf has alias sound-slot-0 via82cxxx_audio in it

and I can play mp3 using the default xmms install fine

My problem is I can't put a music cd in and play it.

I have tried playing cd's in xine, grip, kscd, xmms etc. and they all 
play the cd but no sound comes out.

Can anyone point me in the right direction... Is it something to do with 
the soundservers or a device the players can't find?

Thanks
James McDonald
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CONSIDER IT

2003-03-15 Thread uka kalu
FROM:Mr.UKA KALU,
AUDITING AND ACCOUNTING UNIT
ECO BANK PLC OF NIGERIA.
I am Mr. Uka Kalu, the director in charge of auditing and accounting section of ECO 
BANK PLC LAGOS NIGERIA BRANCH. With due respect and regard, I have decided to contact 
you on a business transaction that will be very beneficial to both of us.
During our investigation and auditing in this bank, my department came across a very 
huge sum of money belonging to a deceased person
who died on October 31st 1997 in a auto crash and the fund has been dormant in his 
account with this Bank since 1996 without any claim of the fund in our custody either 
from his family or relation.
A close investigation revealed that the deceased has no existing relation as next of 
kin.
The said amount is U.S $13million, I want you to collaborate with me to put a claim on 
this money as the next of kin of the deceased account holder, Mr Duckson Fritz.I and 
my colleague will present you as the next of kin.
Meanwhile all  arrangement to put claim over this fund as the bonafide next of kin to 
the deceased, get the required approval and transfer this money to your designated 
foreign bank account has been putin 
place and directives and needed information will be relayed to you as soon as you 
indicate your interest and willingness to assist us  in this risk free and highly 
confidential transaction.
On your reply, we shall discuss the sharing ratio for each party to this transaction.
Please feel free to contact me immediately via mail  
for further directive and or clarification on this transaction.
I look forward to a mutual beneficial  business relationship with you.
Best wishes,
UKA KALU
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Re: Question

2003-03-15 Thread Kurt Wall
On Sat, Mar 15, 2003 at 08:14:00PM -0800, Bill Campbell wrote:
 On Sat, Mar 15, 2003 at 06:51:09PM -0500, Kurt Wall wrote:
 
 Indeed. Using OpenLinux from The Company Whose Name I Shall Not Mention,
 you could press Ctrl+d to dump PNG screenshots from the installer into the
 RAM disk's /tmp filesystem. You had to move them out of /tmp before 
 rebooting because they would go away, but it was a darn handy feature 
 for taking screenshots for manuals and such.
 
 Is that ctrl-d documented somewhere?

No.

 In your case, Bill, you might be able to send the console output to
 a serial port and take your screenshots that way. Another method is
 to load the console framebuffer and then do, more or less, 
 
 # cp /dev/fb0 somefile
 
 I don't know what the output format is, but this is a start. 
 
 That could be interesting, particularly if (a) it's portable on the
 versions of Linux I want to document, and (b) the format is something
 useful.  It could require a fair quantity of ramdisk as the JPEG files from
 my 2.1 megapixel camera required a bit over 25MB before cropping and
 cleaning up with the gimp.

It should be portable, provided the Linux you have has framebuffer 
support and the machines have reasonable, VESA-compliant graphics
adapters.

Kurt
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A gentoo nugget...

2003-03-15 Thread Jerry McBride

I was just getting ready to go to bed and I remembered that I forgot... :')

I stumbled onto two really, really nice compiler tools today. One is named
CCACHE and the other is DISTCC. 

The first one (ccache) caches object files of previous compiler runs and feeds
them back if the current compiler run can use a cached object. I've just tried
it on a couple of compile runs with xfree86. It shaved off about 10 minutes...
The only catch is, the cache takes up a lot of room... The advantage is, back to
back compiles of source code can be GREATLY speededup by using it. Now it won't
be so painful to try different ./configure tweaks of those large source code
projects.

The second one (DISTCC) is a really niffty project, one that will take a bit of
time for me to implement... distcc is a distributed compiler. In reality
it's a frontend to all the compilers you allow it to use. You can compile a
single project across several computers on a network... This my, friends, is
going to be the cats meow! Parallel processing with a useful purpose.

If anyone is interested, I'll post the url's tomorrow. Cheers and goodnight.


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