Fedora getting some bad reviews
The first couple of reviews of Fedora were pretty fawning, but others are starting to show up. Here's an example: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=5111 Gives the impression that Fedora needed more time in the oven. Which isn't fatal. RH9 works great and it's no hardship to stick with it for a while. Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Collins Richey wrote: If my memory serves me correctly, fedora is using the same philosophy that RH used in the past. RH releases (at least until very recently) have always needed more time in the oven. In the past that was true of RH in my experience, but since about 7.1 their releases have all been very stable. RH9 is terrific. Course, Fedora isn't RH - that's the official line anyway. This is one reason I prefer the gentoo model - incremental releases (that usually aren't too painful) over a long period. Unlike the RH approach, gentoo doesn't mark a new compiler release as stable for common use until most all packages work with the new compiler. Yes; there are some definite advantages. Disadvantages too. In theory Fedora is somewhat more geared toward an incremental model (faster releases with incremental updates along the way). I suppose we will just have to wait and see what becomes of our favorite distro. Do any of those alternative dictionaries say that patience is a four-letter word? :-) Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Thu, 13 Nov 2003, Collins Richey wrote: This is one reason I prefer the gentoo model - incremental releases (that usually aren't too painful) over a long period. Unlike the RH approach, gentoo doesn't mark a new compiler release as stable for common use until most all packages work with the new compiler. I assume you're referring to the gcc-2.96 debacle with RH-7.0. That's ancient history, especially seeing as how gentoo didn't even exist at the time. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:03:00 -0600 Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Collins Richey wrote: If my memory serves me correctly, fedora is using the same philosophy that RH used in the past. RH releases (at least until very recently) have always needed more time in the oven. In the past that was true of RH in my experience, but since about 7.1 their releases have all been very stable. RH9 is terrific. Course, Fedora isn't RH - that's the official line anyway. This is one reason I prefer the gentoo model - incremental releases (that usually aren't too painful) over a long period. Unlike the RH approach, gentoo doesn't mark a new compiler release as stable for common use until most all packages work with the new compiler. Yes; there are some definite advantages. Disadvantages too. In theory Fedora is somewhat more geared toward an incremental model (faster releases with incremental updates along the way). I suppose we will just have to wait and see what becomes of our favorite distro. Do any of those alternative dictionaries say that patience is a four-letter word? :-) Yeah, and I definitely don't have the four-letter-word it takes to wade through 400+ postings a day on the fedora-users list to keep current! Silly me, I thought the gentoo-users group was a firehose. And the one missing element in RH-centric distros is a common repository of RPMs for anything outside the core products. I've gotten spoiled by the gentoo repository. Given the size of their CD set, I would presume that SuSE is much better than RH in this respect. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On 11/13/2003 2:19 PM, I believe that Collins Richey wrote: snip And the one missing element in RH-centric distros is a common repository of RPMs for anything outside the core products. I've gotten spoiled by the gentoo repository. Given the size of their CD set, I would presume that SuSE is much better than RH in this respect. livna.org and freshrpms.net are two decent repositories for Fedora/RedHat. So far, with limited use, I *like* Fedora Core 1. Regards, Tim ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fedora getting some bad reviews
On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 20:19, Collins Richey wrote: And the one missing element in RH-centric distros is a common repository of RPMs for anything outside the core products. I've gotten spoiled by the gentoo repository. Given the size of their CD set, I would presume that SuSE is much better than RH in this respect. And SuSE have improved. I first tried 7.2. Damn but there were alot of packages. However, quite a few did not run. Many simply dumped core. Or the silent Linux equivalent. I tried again with 8.2, and there are still a ton of applications. But most now seem to work (same hardware). I have just started with SuSE 9, and it also seems solid. The only bad thing I have experienced is that updating from 8.2 to 9 does not work. There is an rpm (filesystem or some such thing) which rpm's cpio claimed was trying to install /usr/lib/X11 as a file, when it is already a directory. Hosed the system. I tried the recovery mode, which looked promising. Ended up doing a clean install. That is what I would normally do in a production system anyway. That aside, so far so good. Tomorrow we start our product testing on it. Hope the network holds up... -- Roger Oberholtzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Actually, the review was no surprise to me. The writer was merely rehashing the same problems that I suspect many thousands of Red Hat users have encountered before --and fixed. It's just that the further you go from the Fedora/RH core functionality, the more problems you will have because of the bleeding edge stuff such as glibc and gcc in recent RH releases. Examples : - Java plug-in not working -- you'll need the JSDK or JRE compiled with gcc3.x. And if you're using the Java SDK, you'll need to add the LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5 or LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1 as an environment variable - Macromedia Flash -- the one on the Macromedia website didn't work for me, I had to get the one on the Rutgers University site - rpm crashes -- I've never used the graphical rpm package manager. Always used the command line. Yes, it does get corrupted from time to time, but it's easily fixed by deleting the *.db files and allowing rpm to rebuild them - nVIDIA drivers -- too bad she did not persevere. I have the drivers on my system and they make everything look so great ! Yes, even the fonts. RH9 is actually pretty good. Takes a fair amount of effort, but it can work quite nicely. There are a few things I like better about RH than Win2K running on my laptop (only for office use): 1. RH loads faster than Win2K, after I loaded a bazillion patches in Win2K -- 2 patches in the last 2 days ! 2. RH has crashed only once since I loaded it about 2 months ago -- it did not lock up, and only the X Server crashed 3. Most importantly, there is a bill proposed in Singapore's parliament to allow snooping software to be installed on all computers in Singapore to monitor activities. I don't think it would work on Linux systems. Unless and until they make it mandatory for all computers in Singapore to run Windows, they'll have to pry my Linux PC and my right to privacy from my cold dead hands ! Regards, pascal chong Collins Richey wrote: On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:06:47 -0600 Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The first couple of reviews of Fedora were pretty fawning, but others are starting to show up. Here's an example: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=5111 Gives the impression that Fedora needed more time in the oven. Which isn't fatal. RH9 works great and it's no hardship to stick with it for a while. If my memory serves me correctly, fedora is using the same philosophy that RH used in the past. RH releases (at least until very recently) have always needed more time in the oven. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Chong Yu Meng wrote: 3. Most importantly, there is a bill proposed in Singapore's parliament to allow snooping software to be installed on all computers in Singapore to monitor activities. I don't think it would work on Linux systems. Unless and until they make it mandatory for all computers in Singapore to run Windows, they'll have to pry my Linux PC and my right to privacy from my cold dead hands ! Oops! I misspoke ! Just read the full article : http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/singapore/story/0,4386,219807,00.html? Well, not snooping software, but certainly some surveillance of users. Regards, pascal chong ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Chong Yu Meng wrote: Oops! I misspoke ! Just read the full article : http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/singapore/story/0,4386,219807,00.html? Well, not snooping software, but certainly some surveillance of users. Oops, maybe not even that ... oh man, I must be getting paranoid in my middle-age ... ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
