Re: First impressions of a $200 lindows box: Good
Well, I bought a second $200 special. This came unfortunately with a bent frame, but, it isn't bad enuf to make me send it back. It runs fine. I bought an extra 512 meg memory (total of 620 megs or so) for $78. I got $5.00 legal copies of XP pro and microsoft office from my educational center. They installed fine (but slowly). The only problem was the audio. This AC97 integrated chip defeated knoppix, too. But, the motherboard ships with a cdrom with windows drivers for this chip. When I installed it, I got a warning that MS hadn't approved this software yet and I might have trouble later on, but I said, what the heck. It plays great. So, this $200 computer (with a memory upgrade) seems to be doing fine with XP pro, too. Please see my note about dual booting this baby elsewhere in the list. Thanks, Joel ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: First impressions of a $200 lindows box: Good
You gotta understand, my fastest machine is a overclocked Celeron 300A running at 450. 1.1 is screaming to me :) On Sun, 23 Mar 2003 07:17:11 -0800 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matthew Carpenter wrote: Sorry for the late reply. Yes. On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:52:36 -0800 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you'd recommend this $200 box for linux home use? Still running smooth? You are happy with it's speed? ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: First impressions of a $200 lindows box: Good
Sorry for the late reply. Yes. On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:52:36 -0800 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matthew Carpenter wrote: The coolest is that this hardware is great stuff. It's inexpensive and it runs well. I've been very impressed with SuSE 8.1 on this machine... except for the sissy-keyboard. :) So you'd recommend this $200 box for linux home use? -- Ken Moffat kmoffat at drizzle.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: First impressions of a $200 lindows box: Good
Matthew Carpenter wrote: Sorry for the late reply. Yes. On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:52:36 -0800 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you'd recommend this $200 box for linux home use? Still running smooth? You are happy with it's speed? ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Sun, 16 Mar 2003, Ian Stephen wrote: Not exactly a Linux question, but I am going to be building a few low-budget Linux PC's for the family so... Is one brand of ram as good as the next or does it make a difference whose ram one buys? There is most definitely a difference, and its quality. Like just about all hardware, there are design specifications that memory must have if its can be called PC133 or DDR2100. Some manufacturers cut corners, or do not test as thoroughly to ensure compliance. This is the type of stuff that memtest86 catches. If you're looking for high quality reliable memory, i'd strongly recommend Corsair (or just about anything with a Samsung chipset). Veritium is also pretty good. Any of the crap that Crucial sells is mega-mass produced throwaway stuff that tends to produce significantly higher numbers of errors fails signififcantly sooner catostrophically over time. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: First impressions of a $200 lindows box: Good
I up'ed the memory from 125 megs to 256megs by adding some memory from a computer I am throwing out. Surprising to me, it really peps the machine up. So, its worth the $44 bucks or whatever they are charging at your local CompuUSA. I think they charge more than that if you buy it preconfiged with additional memory. Here is the output of free. So, it looks like the extra memory is being used. (32 megs is used for video memoryh.) total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem:224484 220092 4392 0 35208 105460 -/+ buffers/cache: 79424 145060 Swap: 864500 1356 863144 Joel ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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An unnamed Administration source, Joel Hammer, wrote: % % I up'ed the memory from 125 megs to 256megs by adding some memory from % a computer I am throwing out. Surprising to me, it really peps the % machine up. Not surprising to me. Doubling the amount of scratch space the system has to work with is bound to make a difference. Kurt -- Have you ever noticed that the people who are always trying to tell you, There's a time for work and a time for play, never find the time for play? ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: First impressions of a $200 lindows box: Good
Not exactly a Linux question, but I am going to be building a few low-budget Linux PC's for the family so... Is one brand of ram as good as the next or does it make a difference whose ram one buys? Thanks, Ian Stephen On Sun, 2003-03-16 at 16:29, Joel Hammer wrote: I up'ed the memory from 125 megs to 256megs by adding some memory from a computer I am throwing out. Surprising to me, it really peps the machine up. So, its worth the $44 bucks or whatever they are charging at your local CompuUSA. I think they charge more than that if you buy it preconfiged with additional memory. Here is the output of free. So, it looks like the extra memory is being used. (32 megs is used for video memoryh.) total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem:224484 220092 4392 0 35208 105460 -/+ buffers/cache: 79424 145060 Swap: 864500 1356 863144 Joel ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: First impressions of a $200 lindows box: Good
I have heard it claimed that no-name ram is slower than branded memory, whatever that is. I heard this on TechTV, screensavers edition. They gave instructions for building a $500 game machine. You might visit their web page. http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/?nnav I couldn't find mention of the hardware for their game box on the web site, however. It might be buried there somewhere. Check out their archives section. Joel On Sun, Mar 16, 2003 at 07:36:47PM -0800, Ian Stephen wrote: Not exactly a Linux question, but I am going to be building a few low-budget Linux PC's for the family so... Is one brand of ram as good as the next or does it make a difference whose ram one buys? Thanks, Ian Stephen On Sun, 2003-03-16 at 16:29, Joel Hammer wrote: I up'ed the memory from 125 megs to 256megs by adding some memory from a computer I am throwing out. Surprising to me, it really peps the machine up. So, its worth the $44 bucks or whatever they are charging at your local CompuUSA. I think they charge more than that if you buy it preconfiged with additional memory. Here is the output of free. So, it looks like the extra memory is being used. (32 megs is used for video memoryh.) total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem:224484 220092 4392 0 35208 105460 -/+ buffers/cache: 79424 145060 Swap: 864500 1356 863144 Joel ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: First impressions of a $200 lindows box: Good
Oh boy. What will they do next. I wondered why my .vimrc from my old machine wouldn't work with the new lindows box. man vi showed the answer. They were using elvis as a replacement for vi. I downloaded vim with synaptic (this debian stuff seems awfully convenient) and now all is fine. rantIt sure is great having all these choices in linux. Makes you wonder why linux hasn't taken over the desktop yet. Seriously, if a vi like editor is good, why really do we need several clones, which really do the same thing. You would think that authors would just keep working to make one vi clone the standard and highly convenient to use so as to attract more users. In actuality, all they are doing is solving the same problem over and over. /rant Joel ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Sat, Mar 15, 2003 at 12:43:51PM -0500, Joel Hammer wrote: Oh boy. What will they do next. I wondered why my .vimrc from my old machine wouldn't work with the new lindows box. man vi showed the answer. They were using elvis as a replacement for vi. I downloaded vim with synaptic (this debian stuff seems awfully convenient) and now all is fine. rantIt sure is great having all these choices in linux. Makes you wonder why linux hasn't taken over the desktop yet. Seriously, if a vi like editor is good, why really do we need several clones, which really do the same thing. You would think that authors would just keep working to make one vi clone the standard and highly convenient to use so as to attract more users. In actuality, all they are doing is solving the same problem over and over. /rant Vi clones have a long history, and I think that elvis was available long before vim (the first time I would ever even think of using a DOS box was about 1990 when I found elvis and perl that ran on DOS). If there weren't multiple choices, we would still be stuck with elvis. I doubt that the target audience for the Wal-Mart Lindows box would know the difference between vi, elvis, and vim. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Guns are no more responsible for killing people than the spoon is responsible for making Rosie O'Donnell fat.'' ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: First impressions of a $200 lindows box: Good
Whew. Close call on this one. The man page says that rm comes configured to require a y response to erase anything. I tried this out and this was not true. So, I made an alias: alias rm=rm -i I tried it out and this time I was asked to respond to each file being erased. Image my chagrin, however, when I saw what I had typed. Instead of: rm junk* I had typed: rm junk * What a difference a single space makes! I suspect that rm sould not have removed directories, but, I am not going to experiment to find out now. Joel Yes, the rm stuff is important. I'll have to make sure I alias the rm command to something less damaging. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: First impressions of a $200 lindows box: Good
An unnamed Administration source, Joel Hammer, wrote: % Oh boy. What will they do next. % % I wondered why my .vimrc from my old machine wouldn't work with the new % lindows box. man vi showed the answer. They were using elvis as a replacement % for vi. I downloaded vim with synaptic (this debian stuff seems awfully % convenient) and now all is fine. Assuming you like vim, yes. % rantIt sure is great having all these choices in linux. Makes you % wonder why linux hasn't taken over the desktop yet. Seriously, if a vi % like editor is good, why really do we need several clones, which really % do the same thing. You would think that authors would just keep working % to make one vi clone the standard and highly convenient to use so as % to attract more users. In actuality, all they are doing is solving the % same problem over and over. /rant The same reason we have multiple word processors, databases, spreadsheets, and graphics programs for Windows. Kurt -- Those who educate children well are more to be honored than parents, for these only gave life, those the art of living well. -- Aristotle ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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An unnamed Administration source, Bill Campbell, wrote: [clippety clip] % I doubt that the target audience for the Wal-Mart Lindows box would know % the difference between vi, elvis, and vim. But they might appreciate vigor. ;-) Kurt -- Keep grandma off the streets -- legalize bingo. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: First impressions of a $200 lindows box: Good
Joel Hammer wrote inter alia: Image my chagrin, however, when I saw what I had typed. Instead of: rm junk* I had typed: rm junk * What a difference a single space makes! I suspect that rm sould not have removed directories, but, I am not going to experiment to find out now. That is why we dactylographically challenged compute(w)rists appreciate GUI. I remember my delight upon installing PC Tools Deluxe on my first DOS computer. I was able to graft and prune my directories without wreaking havoc (again) on my installation. I still fire up my DOS box from time to time and remind myself that there is software, and great software, like PC Tools, pfs Pro Write, and of course, Word Perfect 6.2. -- Leon A. Goldstein Powered by Caldera WS 3.1.1 Linux System LI D850MVL ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Yes, but at least they give them different names! I heard some guru's complaining that the menus in lindows were labelled generically, eg. web browser instead of netscape. Calling elvis,vi, and vim all vi is really confusing. Joel The same reason we have multiple word processors, databases, spreadsheets, and graphics programs for Windows. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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An unnamed Administration source, Joel Hammer, wrote: % Yes, but at least they give them different names! I heard some guru's % complaining that the menus in lindows were labelled generically, eg. web % browser instead of netscape. Calling elvis,vi, and vim all vi is really % confusing. Agreed. Slackware install elvis as the default vi but also ships vim xvim (bleah). I've become too accustomed to elvis' peculiarities and care for vim's habit of dropping .viminfo in my home directory without my permission. Grmph. Kurt -- A new dramatist of the absurd Has a voice that will shortly be heard. I learn from my spies He's about to devise An unprintable three-letter word. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: First impressions of a $200 lindows box: Good
The coolest is that this hardware is great stuff. It's inexpensive and it runs well. I've been very impressed with SuSE 8.1 on this machine... except for the sissy-keyboard. :) ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Matthew Carpenter wrote: The coolest is that this hardware is great stuff. It's inexpensive and it runs well. I've been very impressed with SuSE 8.1 on this machine... except for the sissy-keyboard. :) So you'd recommend this $200 box for linux home use? -- Ken Moffat kmoffat at drizzle.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: First impressions of a $200 lindows box: Good
Joel Hammer wrote: How do I tell what the package is. All this stuff happens automatically and I know nothing about debian. Where on the computer would I find the package name? Joel I'm curious about the packaging of SO you downloaded from the warehouse. Was it a tar? For apt-get or synaptic to work, you need sources, i.e. URL's, listed in /etc/apt/sources.list. This is where you can set the range of your updates to stable, testing, or unstable. What is listed in your Lindows? re StarOffice: did you have to run through the usual SO setup after you downloaded it? I am not aware of any Deb package of SO. I remember that Caldera 2.2/2.3 included SO 5 in RPM, but you still had to go through the setup rigamarole. -- Leon A. Goldstein Powered by Libranet 1.9.1 Debian Linux System 5151 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Mon, 10 Mar 2003 08:57:59 -0500 Leon A. Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] re StarOffice: did you have to run through the usual SO setup after you downloaded it? I am not aware of any Deb package of SO. I remember that Caldera 2.2/2.3 included SO 5 in RPM, but you still had to go through the setup rigamarole. yes there are debs of SO (1.0.2 is the version I have loaded). And it's split out better into the different language packs. Ciao, David A. Bandel -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. Nemesis Racing Team motto pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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David Bandel wrote: yes there are debs of SO (1.0.2 is the version I have loaded). And it's split out better into the different language packs. Star Office 1.0.2? Surely you mean Open Office? -- Leon A. Goldstein Powered by Caldera WS 3.1.1 Linux System LI D850MVL ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: First impressions of a $200 lindows box: Good
This is what I have. When I first ran apt-get, I was told I had to update my sources, so I pressed Y and everything went automatically. deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian woody main contrib non-free deb ftp://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free For apt-get or synaptic to work, you need sources, i.e. URL's, listed in /etc/apt/sources.list. This is where you can set the range of your updates to stable, testing, or unstable. What is listed in your Lindows? Regarding staroffice, I have these files, which look like all the other debian package files: /var/lib/dpkg/info/staroffice-common.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/staroffice-common.md5sums /var/lib/dpkg/info/staroffice-common.postinst /var/lib/dpkg/info/staroffice-common.postrm /var/lib/dpkg/info/staroffice-common.preinst /var/lib/dpkg/info/staroffice-common.prerm /var/lib/dpkg/info/staroffice.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/staroffice.md5sums /var/lib/dpkg/info/staroffice.postinst /var/lib/dpkg/info/staroffice.postrm /var/lib/dpkg/info/staroffice.preinst /var/lib/dpkg/info/staroffice.prerm So, it looks like a debian package. Now, as to what this is called, it bills itself as Staroffice version 6.0. I suppose that is supposed to suggest this is not open source software. It is advertised as a $70 value. This is good, I suppose. Well, now my next job is to figure out how to make this thang allow remote X sessions. This could take a while. As I recall, libranet did that without any effort on my part, but lindows doesn't seem quite so obliging. Joel ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Mon, 10 Mar 2003 18:11:50 -0500 Leon Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Bandel wrote: yes there are debs of SO (1.0.2 is the version I have loaded). And it's split out better into the different language packs. Star Office 1.0.2? Surely you mean Open Office? Yes, I do. Not much difference from what I've seen, unless you want clipart and a few hardly-used filters. Ciao, David A. Bandel -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. Nemesis Racing Team motto pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: First impressions of a $200 lindows box: Good
On Mon, 10 Mar 2003 20:30:15 -0500 Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is what I have. When I first ran apt-get, I was told I had to update my sources, so I pressed Y and everything went automatically. deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian woody main contrib non-free deb ftp://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free woody is stable If you don't know who Woody is, go watch Toy Story. Sid (the brat next door) is unstable. Other releases have been potato, slinky, etc. I suggest you change woody to stable. Then copy the stable lines and change stable to testing (so you'll have entries for both stable and testing). Don't add unstable unless your want to risk having an unstable system. [snip] Well, now my next job is to figure out how to make this thang allow remote X sessions. This could take a while. As I recall, libranet did that without any effort on my part, but lindows doesn't seem quite so obliging. Depending on how Debian Lindows is, you'll have a lot of work to do. Debian runs the Xserver with options like -nolisten TCP and turns off xdm. Almost every file to do with X needs tweaking. Ciao, David A. Bandel -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. Nemesis Racing Team motto pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: First impressions of a $200 lindows box: Good
Joel Hammer wrote: I am not sure what I am getting for my money, but on the upside: 1. I couldn't download gnucash with synaptic or get-apt, but it came in nicely with the warehouse. 2. Staroffice wasn't available with synaptic but it was with the warehouse. 3. When you install from the warehouse, you get a nice icon on the desktop without any hassle. There are lots of Gnucash deb's. Take a look at www.debian.org. Is synaptic/apt-get configured for sources? I'm not surprised you couldn't install StarOffice with synaptic, since it is not a deb package. I'm curious about the packaging of SO you downloaded from the warehouse. Was it a tar? -- Leon A. Goldstein Powered by Caldera WS 3.1.1 Linux System LI D850MVL ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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How do I tell what the package is. All this stuff happens automatically and I know nothing about debian. Where on the computer would I find the package name? Joel I'm curious about the packaging of SO you downloaded from the warehouse. Was it a tar? -- Leon A. Goldstein ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Well, I have found a computer that knoppix won't fully work on. Knoppix couldn't initialize the sound chip in the mother board. So, I guess I'll stick with lindows for a while. Joel ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Joel Hammer wrote: Well, I have found a computer that knoppix won't fully work on. Knoppix couldn't initialize the sound chip in the mother board. So, I guess I'll stick with lindows for a while. /mailman/listinfo/linux-users What processor does this machine have? -- Ken Moffat kmoffat at drizzle.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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A duron 1.1 gh Joel On Sat, Mar 08, 2003 at 06:50:48AM -0800, Ken Moffat wrote: Joel Hammer wrote: Well, I have found a computer that knoppix won't fully work on. Knoppix couldn't initialize the sound chip in the mother board. So, I guess I'll stick with lindows for a while. /mailman/listinfo/linux-users What processor does this machine have? -- Ken Moffat kmoffat at drizzle.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: First impressions of a $200 lindows box: Good
More nice surprises with this thing. I took the case apart to see what it looks like. I wasn't too hopeful when I noticed that two of the case screws had been left off at the factory. However, my fears were unwarranted. Very nice case, well finished, no sharp edges. Very nice uncluttered interior. Three free PCI slots. All the audio, networking, and video is built into the main board. That the kind of thing that most linux distros have a hard time with, in my limited experience, at least with the audio. This is a full sized ATX minitower, and has lots of room for expansion. It has only one HD (20 gig Western Digital) and a 52x CDROM. There are two DIMM slots, and joy of joy, only one was in use (it has a 125 meg memory chip in it.) So, I was able to put in another 30 megs of memory from my old computer and I put in a hard drive I had lying around (80 gigs). I will put in my old floppy drive when I get more enthusiasm. Anyway, my concern that the box would be some limited awful thing, not allowing any expansion, like a compaq computer, turned out to be entirely unfounded. I will definitely buy another one of these for downstairs. Joel ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On 03/08/03 09:39, Joel Hammer wrote: CDROM. There are two DIMM slots, and joy of joy, only one was in use (it has a 125 meg memory chip in it.) So, I was able to put in another 30 megs of memory from my old computer and I put in a hard drive I had What kind of really funky, nonstandard memory is this that comes in 125MB and 30MB sticks?? -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 10:25am up 53 days, 17:49, 3 users, load average: 0.84, 0.82, 0.63 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: First impressions of a $200 lindows box: Good
A lot of stuff is missing from the standard install, like tcpdump! Anyway, an article on the web pointed me in the right direction with lindows. From the command line (get a konsole by running the konsole command from the run command option in the menu.) run: apt-get install synaptic Then, go wild. I don't see open office there, and gnucash won't download, so I'll probably join the warehouse. Abiword was a snap, however. That 1.1 Ghz Duron is doing ok. Right now it is ftp'ing my mp3's to the new machine, running tcpdump, playing an mp3, and downloading more stuff with synaptic. Life is good. Joel On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 07:14:08AM -0500, Joel Hammer wrote: I tried the software junior shelf. Only a few titles. Prowrite is koffice's word processor, which loaded no problem. (version 1.1.1). Digikam loaded fine but didn't support my nikon coolpic 2500. Luckily, cdrecord is on this thing, so I could see my camera and just loaded it manually with: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/camera -t vfat All the modules needed for this were already loaded. This is actually quite handy since my main computer has been mangled by updating and can't load my camera any more. So, that problem is solved for now without having to reconfigure that box. Now, that was worth $200! I'll likely spend $99 and join the warehouse, just to save myself some effort and see what they really have to offer. Joel ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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WARNING. I installed xine with synaptic (really just apt-get front end I am guessing) and xine froze the system. Even worse, lindows refused to start kde after reboot. I had to reinstall, twice. So, don't try xine with lindows for now unless you want to reinstall (which goes quickly.) Joel ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Joel Hammer wrote: I tried the software junior shelf. Only a few titles. Prowrite is koffice's word processor, which loaded no problem. (version 1.1.1). Digikam loaded fine but didn't support my nikon coolpic 2500. Luckily, cdrecord is on this thing, so I could see my camera and just loaded it manually with: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/camera -t vfat All the modules needed for this were already loaded. This is actually quite handy since my main computer has been mangled by updating and can't load my camera any more. So, that problem is solved for now without having to reconfigure that box. Now, that was worth $200! I'll likely spend $99 and join the warehouse, just to save myself some effort and see what they really have to offer. Joel Is it true that you run as root in lindows? -- Ken Moffat kmoffat at drizzle.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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So far yes. It gave me a chance to make a regular user account when I installed it (first logged on). However, I don't see where the account was actually created. Hey, they don't call it lindows for nothing. Joel it true that you run as root in lindows? -- Ken Moffat ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Yes. It works with usb mass-storage. It is very surprising they don't just list the nikon 2500 by name, too. Not really very user friendly in that regard. This is REALLY a novel experience for me. Graphical programs actually installing and running without a hitch, and then working in the real world. Usually when I try this sort of thing, I am missing a library, which then needs another library, which then needs an updated version of kde, which need an updated version of qt. Don't laugh. That was why I gave up using libranet. And, this explains why I do almost everything from the command line. So far, I am very pleased. An excellent $200 investment. Purists won't like it, but people who just want an easy to use workstation might like it a lot. Joel On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 10:16:27AM -0500, Bruce Marshall wrote: On Friday 07 March 2003 8:10 am, Ken Moffat wrote: Joel Hammer wrote: I tried the software junior shelf. Only a few titles. Prowrite is koffice's word processor, which loaded no problem. (version 1.1.1). Digikam loaded fine but didn't support my nikon coolpic 2500. Luckily, cdrecord is on this thing, so I could see my camera and just loaded it manually with: Have you used digikam before?? Although it doesn't support the 2500 (by name) it should easily support a USB mass-storage camera. See the bottom of the camera list. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 03/07/03 10:15 + ++ She offered her honor, He honored her offer. and all through the night, it was honor and offer. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: First impressions of a $200 lindows box: Good
Joel Hammer wrote: Yes. It works with usb mass-storage. It is very surprising they don't just list the nikon 2500 by name, too. Not really very user friendly in that regard. This is REALLY a novel experience for me. Graphical programs actually installing and running without a hitch, and then working in the real world. Usually when I try this sort of thing, I am missing a library, which then needs another library, which then needs an updated version of kde, which need an updated version of qt. Don't laugh. That was why I gave up using libranet. And, this explains why I do almost everything from the command line. So far, I am very pleased. An excellent $200 investment. Purists won't like it, but people who just want an easy to use workstation might like it a lot. Joel Wow, you gave up libranet? most folks give up the rpm based distros. You must have gone with unstable debian. just don't forget you are root. that rm command might bite you. and don't get cracked. There was quite a discussion on lindows root default on the compuserve linux forum; got quite heated. -- Ken Moffat kmoffat at drizzle.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Yes, I had gotten libranet in large part because I wanted to see how koffice was with an uptodate distro. After I installed libranet, the answer was I needed to get an updated version of koffice, which needed an updated version of kde, which needed an updated version of qt, which I couldn't find in a debian package. End of story for libranet. I have never gotten koffice to work well for me. I use vi and enscript for my word processing needs. Yes, the rm stuff is important. I'll have to make sure I alias the rm command to something less damaging. Joel On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 04:55:33PM -0800, Ken Moffat wrote: Joel Hammer wrote: Yes. It works with usb mass-storage. It is very surprising they don't just list the nikon 2500 by name, too. Not really very user friendly in that regard. This is REALLY a novel experience for me. Graphical programs actually installing and running without a hitch, and then working in the real world. Usually when I try this sort of thing, I am missing a library, which then needs another library, which then needs an updated version of kde, which need an updated version of qt. Don't laugh. That was why I gave up using libranet. And, this explains why I do almost everything from the command line. So far, I am very pleased. An excellent $200 investment. Purists won't like it, but people who just want an easy to use workstation might like it a lot. Joel Wow, you gave up libranet? most folks give up the rpm based distros. You must have gone with unstable debian. just don't forget you are root. that rm command might bite you. and don't get cracked. There was quite a discussion on lindows root default on the compuserve linux forum; got quite heated. -- Ken Moffat kmoffat at drizzle.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
