Re: Love on board
On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 17:45, Tony Alfrey wrote: On Tuesday 11 November 2003 02:02 pm, Collins Richey wrote: On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:01:57 -0600 Andrew L. Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So yes, he had a hand in many of today's circumstances; however, I choose to disassociate today's SCO from Ransom Love's Caldera that created eDesktop 2.4. (Ahh, the memories of my early newbiness.) Speaking of which, I was wandering through a MicroCenter store just yesterday and found a copy of Caldera OpenLinux between the RedHats and SuSEs. Shades of yesteryear. So my question is, if you bought that and loaded it up, would you be guilty of violating some SCO license? g And could you get the tech support advertised on the box? The way I would read that is you could run it without threat from SCO since it is their product and it is based on the 2.2 series kernel instead of the 2.4. I don't think you would get support on it though since its past its support end of life date. Shawn ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Love on board
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:48:30 -0500 Chris Kassopulo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Former Caldera CEO Ransom Love joins Progeny board http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=03/11/11/0333248 I haven't kept track of Progeny, but after visiting their website, one thing is apparent: In spite of the fact that Ian Murdock runs the show, the only reference on their home page to GNU-bleeding-linux is in a link to a news article! There is hope. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Love on board
Collins Richey wrote: On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:48:30 -0500 Chris Kassopulo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Former Caldera CEO Ransom Love joins Progeny board http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=03/11/11/0333248 I haven't kept track of Progeny, but after visiting their website, one thing is apparent: In spite of the fact that Ian Murdock runs the show, the only reference on their home page to GNU-bleeding-linux is in a link to a news article! There is hope. Forgive my ignorance, but isn't this former ceo the one who lead Caldera to it's present state of affairs? -- Ken ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Love on board
On Tuesday 11 November 2003 01:33 pm, Ken Moffat wrote: Collins Richey wrote: On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:48:30 -0500 Chris Kassopulo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Former Caldera CEO Ransom Love joins Progeny board http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=03/11/11/0333248 I haven't kept track of Progeny, but after visiting their website, one thing is apparent: In spite of the fact that Ian Murdock runs the show, the only reference on their home page to GNU-bleeding-linux is in a link to a news article! There is hope. Forgive my ignorance, but isn't this former ceo the one who lead Caldera to it's present state of affairs? Yes and no. Ransom Love was a strong advocate of Linux in business, Linux standards, binary compatibility (is this the correct term?) between Unix and Linux, and the creation of United Linux. It is my understanding that Caldera contributed to many open source projects, including RPM. So yes, he had a hand in many of today's circumstances; however, I choose to disassociate today's SCO from Ransom Love's Caldera that created eDesktop 2.4. (Ahh, the memories of my early newbiness.) In an interview, Mr. Love declined to comment on the merits SCO's lawsuit; but he made it clear that he would have handled the entire situation differently. From an outsider's view (outside of Caldera), I think his statement is consistent with his past actions. Andrew Gould ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Love on board
Ken Moffat wrote: Forgive my ignorance, but isn't this former ceo the one who lead Caldera to it's present state of affairs? Love can be blamed for a number of bad decisions at Caldera, but compared to the current despotic regime at SCO, he looks like my very best friend. Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Love on board
quoth Ken Moffat: | Forgive my ignorance, but isn't this former ceo the one who lead | Caldera to it's present state of affairs? as a matter of fact, no. he was the guy who thought up unitedlinux. about all you can really pin on him is the silliness that followed edesktop 2.4, in which the best linux distribution ever was cast into a maelstrom of confusion, contradictory policies, and foolishness. but he is not a bad guy -- certainly not in the sense that the current nixon administration retreads who are stripping linux for parts are bad guys. which is to say, they will go to hell and he won't. -- dep Writing takes no time. It's finding something to say that takes forever. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Love on board
On Tuesday 11 November 2003 09:48 am, Chris Kassopulo wrote: Former Caldera CEO Ransom Love joins Progeny board http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=03/11/11/0333248 Way cool! Is Progeny stock traded publicly? I can put in a short sell order first thing Wednesday morning! -- Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd rather be sailing ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Love on board
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:01:57 -0600 Andrew L. Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So yes, he had a hand in many of today's circumstances; however, I choose to disassociate today's SCO from Ransom Love's Caldera that created eDesktop 2.4. (Ahh, the memories of my early newbiness.) Speaking of which, I was wandering through a MicroCenter store just yesterday and found a copy of Caldera OpenLinux between the RedHats and SuSEs. Shades of yesteryear. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Love on board
On Tuesday 11 November 2003 04:02 pm, Collins Richey wrote: On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:01:57 -0600 Andrew L. Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So yes, he had a hand in many of today's circumstances; however, I choose to disassociate today's SCO from Ransom Love's Caldera that created eDesktop 2.4. (Ahh, the memories of my early newbiness.) Speaking of which, I was wandering through a MicroCenter store just yesterday and found a copy of Caldera OpenLinux between the RedHats and SuSEs. Shades of yesteryear. SCO has ceased it's Linux sales. If you buy that copy of OpenLinux, do they still have to support you? Does the fact that they didn't effectively withdraw the product from the shelves affect the lawsuit? Or is the product now considered MicroCenter's responsibility? Given the lawsuit, is MicroCenter have any liability if SCO is right? Maybe MicroCenter will reduce the price if you tell them there's no support and they're selling an IP lawsuit. There's a local computer shop here that's had Corel Linux, 2nd Edition (one standard, one deluxe), on their shelves since I moved here over a year ago.at the original price. I tried to clue the management in on the product's status; but the manager I spoke to has never heard the term sunk cost. Andrew Gould ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Love on board
On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 17:25, Andrew L. Gould wrote: snip I tried to clue the management in on the product's status; but the manager I spoke to has never heard the term sunk cost. More likely he has and that's why he's still trying to sell it. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Love on board
On Tuesday 11 November 2003 04:46 pm, burns wrote: On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 17:25, Andrew L. Gould wrote: snip I tried to clue the management in on the product's status; but the manager I spoke to has never heard the term sunk cost. More likely he has and that's why he's still trying to sell it. No, if he had, he would drop the price and sell it for whatever he could get. At $70 for the Deluxe version, he's not going to recover anything. Andrew ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Love on board
On Tuesday 11 November 2003 02:02 pm, Collins Richey wrote: On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:01:57 -0600 Andrew L. Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So yes, he had a hand in many of today's circumstances; however, I choose to disassociate today's SCO from Ransom Love's Caldera that created eDesktop 2.4. (Ahh, the memories of my early newbiness.) Speaking of which, I was wandering through a MicroCenter store just yesterday and found a copy of Caldera OpenLinux between the RedHats and SuSEs. Shades of yesteryear. So my question is, if you bought that and loaded it up, would you be guilty of violating some SCO license? g And could you get the tech support advertised on the box? -- Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd rather be sailing ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
