Re: More Outlook and IE problems coming

2003-07-30 Thread Roger Oberholtzer
I think the job title 'technology managers' should be clarified to
be 'technology mis-managers' - after all, they are the ones that let
companies use the software that allows such security problems in the
first place. But, I guess they are powerless against those evil
virus guys. Maybe MS can get Bush to add them to the list of
evil doers. After all, it surely is not MS' fault...

On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 22:29:50 -0400
Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3107613.stm
 
 It never stops. 
 
 Joel
 
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Re: More Outlook and IE problems coming

2003-07-30 Thread dep
quoth Net Llama!:
| On 07/29/03 19:29, Joel Hammer wrote:
|  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3107613.stm
| 
|  It never stops.
|
| that's strange, it never started for me.  then again, i don't use M$
| products.

ah, but that scarcely matters. for instance, there's no mshit running 
here, but there certainly is some running on the same branch of the 
cable network, because bandwidth is being sucked up like you wouldn't 
believe. the effect is an internet connection equivalent to about a 
14.4kbps modem on a 1-meg cable connection.

so it's like a yugo -- doesn't matter whether it's yours or not if it 
breaks down at rush hour on the street on which you're trying to get to 
work.
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Re: More Outlook and IE problems coming

2003-07-30 Thread Net Llama!
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003, dep wrote:
 quoth Net Llama!:
 | On 07/29/03 19:29, Joel Hammer wrote:
 |  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3107613.stm
 | 
 |  It never stops.
 |
 | that's strange, it never started for me.  then again, i don't use M$
 | products.

 ah, but that scarcely matters. for instance, there's no mshit running
 here, but there certainly is some running on the same branch of the
 cable network, because bandwidth is being sucked up like you wouldn't
 believe. the effect is an internet connection equivalent to about a
 14.4kbps modem on a 1-meg cable connection.

 so it's like a yugo -- doesn't matter whether it's yours or not if it
 breaks down at rush hour on the street on which you're trying to get to
 work.

I have DSL, not cable.  My bandwidth remains the same regardless of what
the rest of the planet's idiots are doing.

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Re: More Outlook and IE problems coming

2003-07-30 Thread dep
quoth Net Llama!:

| I have DSL, not cable.  My bandwidth remains the same regardless of
| what the rest of the planet's idiots are doing.

not true. when ie and outlook vulnerabilities are being exploited, which 
is to say all the time, you're being hindered along the line, even if 
you don't see it locally. there is x amount of bandwidth, and those 
exploits consume y, leaving x-y for you and everyone else.

which is to say that the leak in the pipe reduces the pressure, whether 
you see it or not.
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Re: More Outlook and IE problems coming

2003-07-30 Thread Bill Campbell
On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 10:15:16AM -0400, dep wrote:
quoth Net Llama!:

| I have DSL, not cable.  My bandwidth remains the same regardless of
| what the rest of the planet's idiots are doing.

not true. when ie and outlook vulnerabilities are being exploited, which 
is to say all the time, you're being hindered along the line, even if 
you don't see it locally. there is x amount of bandwidth, and those 
exploits consume y, leaving x-y for you and everyone else.

Not to mention things like ``Code Red'' and ``Nimda'' which were filling up
hard drives with Apache's logs at the height of their activity.  It got so
bad that we had to turn off logging for a while.

Our Linux router also rejects about 40,000 probes per day on ports with
known Microsoft security problems (e.g. SQL Server, ports 137-139, etc),
and general port scans.  The vast majority of these probes come from
cracked Windows systems that are being used without their owner's
knowledge.  This is a single T1 with two /24 networks.  Imagine the traffic
at sites with serious bandwidth and networks.

Another factor is that a huge percentage of the spam that's sent today now
goes through open proxy servers, mostly on Windows machines where the owner
doesn't even know they have a proxy server.

The simplest way for the average broadband Windows user to protect
themselves from much of this abuse is to install one of the commodity
cable/dsl router boxes that does NAT, and only allows outside connections
to machines on the inside network on specific ports that must be configured
manually.  We use quite a few LinkSys VPN router/switches (Part Number
BEFVP41) for this.  They're cheap, and their IPSec VPN tunnelling works
with Linux FreeS/WAN, FreeBSD, and OS X as well as the usual Windows IPSec
software.

Bill
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Re: More Outlook and IE problems coming

2003-07-30 Thread David A. Bandel
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 09:44:28 -0400 (EDT)
Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[snip]
 
 I have DSL, not cable.  My bandwidth remains the same regardless of
 what the rest of the planet's idiots are doing.

Not completely true.  You have your bandwidth to the other end of the
ATM pipe, regardless, yes, but beyond that, some idiots can fill the
upstream pipe making your always-wide bandwidth a moot point.

[snip]

Ciao,

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Re: More Outlook and IE problems coming

2003-07-29 Thread Net Llama!
On 07/29/03 19:29, Joel Hammer wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3107613.stm

It never stops. 
that's strange, it never started for me.  then again, i don't use M$ products.

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