Re: problems with my NIC

2001-11-19 Thread John Hiemenz


welp, I am hopinh I have solved it by replacing the tlan card with a 3COM 
3c590 card, and I built a new kernel, embedding the nic and scsi drivers, and 
disabling everything I didn't think I needed... APM was one of them.   Not 
that I think this Pre-1996 Compaq system has APM, but I dislike APM 
altogether anyway.


On Monday 19 November 2001 06:30 pm, you wrote:
> I was working on a customer's box today, and was seeing the same
> behavior.  FWIW, the box was an HP Vectra running RH-7.1.  I ended up
> determining that the problem was caused by some BIOS driven power
> management which was apparently spinning down the drives, and cutting
> power to just about everything other than the CPU.  I went into the
> BIOS, and disabled everything under the POWER section, and the problem
> hadn't reappeared after 4 hours of inactivity (it was occuring every 15
> minutes before).  Oh, BTW, the NIC in this box was a 3Com 3c509.
>
> --- John Hiemenz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I have a problem with my NIC losing 'connetivity' on my boxen.
> >
> > The nic uses the 'tlan' module, and eth0 comes up fine at boot.
> >
> > After a period of time that I haven't been able to determine, the
> > networks
> > goes kaplop and I can't connect to or from this boxen anylonger.
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Re: DVD Playing

2001-11-19 Thread Keith Antoine

On Tuesday 20 November 2001 11:15, Matthew Carpenter enunciated:
> Do I hear anyone willing to put together an SxS on how to use DeCSS to make
> Xine play standard DVD's without the stupid decoder card?
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I have a sound problem at the moment with arts and dvd/vcd players. As soon 
as I fix that i'll be doing exactly that. I can play dvd's and vcd's on Xine, 
vlc, mtv and mplayer. However i think that vlc slides out of synch so that 
the lipsynch is behind. I am also testing for rippers and flask like 
replacements. I have a cutter but its command line so far.

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Re: Cable Net Access

2001-11-19 Thread Keith Antoine

On Tuesday 20 November 2001 08:48, Kurt Wall enunciated:
> Okay, so now I have cable access -- it's a beautiful thing after
> dial-up purgatory -- with a static IP. Theoretically, even though it
> isn't permitted, I can run server services. The installer set up one
> of my Windows boxes and gave it this truly byzantine hostname but it
> seems to me that I should be able to assign that static IP to a Linux
> box and then update DNS through my domain registrar.
>
> That is, I'm proposing using my own host name and their IP address.
> Can I do that?
>
> Kurt

Do not think so mate, I use just the IP but cannot use a hostname.

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DVD Playing

2001-11-19 Thread Matthew Carpenter

Do I hear anyone willing to put together an SxS on how to use DeCSS to make Xine play 
standard DVD's without the stupid decoder card?  

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Re: problems with my NIC

2001-11-19 Thread Net Llama

I was working on a customer's box today, and was seeing the same
behavior.  FWIW, the box was an HP Vectra running RH-7.1.  I ended up
determining that the problem was caused by some BIOS driven power
management which was apparently spinning down the drives, and cutting
power to just about everything other than the CPU.  I went into the
BIOS, and disabled everything under the POWER section, and the problem
hadn't reappeared after 4 hours of inactivity (it was occuring every 15
minutes before).  Oh, BTW, the NIC in this box was a 3Com 3c509.


--- John Hiemenz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> I have a problem with my NIC losing 'connetivity' on my boxen.
> 
> The nic uses the 'tlan' module, and eth0 comes up fine at boot.
> 
> After a period of time that I haven't been able to determine, the
> networks 
> goes kaplop and I can't connect to or from this boxen anylonger.
> 
> I tried taking eth0 down and then eth0 back up again, but that didn't
> help.  
> So I take eth0 down, rmmod tlan, and then eth0 back up again and that
> would 
> restore things... temporarily.  It'd go kaplop again eventually.
> 
> So I built tlan into my kernel.  This seemed to work, but now after
> about a 
> day it acts the same way again.  I can boot my system and the network 
> connection goes bellyup anywhere between 30 minutes to a few hours
> later.
> 
> And it doesn't matter if there is network activity or not.  This has
> happened 
> at times of ftp and web access, and then everything just stops.  It
> has 
> happened when nothing is happening and the next connection times out.
> 
> I get messages in /var/log and on the console about 'eth0: link
> forced'.  It 
> seems that as soon as one of these messages appears, my network goes
> bellyup. 
>  It still does this even though the module is compiled into the
> kernel, which 
> I thought was odd. (!?)
> 
> I asked this before but got no replies, anyone have any ideas?  Anyone
> see 
> anything like this happening?
> 
> I just found an old 3com 3c59x card, I will try that I guess.  I'm
> just sick 
> and silly from trying to figure this out on the lack of any time I can
> spend 
> doing it.
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Re: System.map

2001-11-19 Thread Net Llama


--- Douglas J Hunley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Net Llama babbled on about:
> > yes.  this is how i've done it for quite some time without any
> problems.
> 
> the multiple .map files or the symlink?
> 
> if you use a symlink to /usr/src/linux/System.map... what happens when
> you 
> load some kernel other than the one that corresponds to the source in 
> /usr/src/linux.
> e.g.
> /usr/src/linux -> /usr/src/linux-2.4.14
> and /usr/src/l;inux-2.4.13 is there
> 
> /boot has the .13 and .14 kernels. /boot/System.map is link to
> /usr/src/linux
> 
> reboot, .14 panics... reboot, choose .13 from lilo menu.. you now have
> wrong 
> map. what would happen?

I use the multiple map files, not the symlink.


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Re: Cable Net Access

2001-11-19 Thread Collins Richey

On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:07:02 -0600 John Hiemenz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> On Monday 19 November 2001 04:48 pm, you stated :
> > Okay, so now I have cable access -- it's a beautiful thing after
> > dial-up purgatory -- with a static IP. Theoretically, even though
> it
> > isn't permitted, I can run server services. The installer set up
> one
> > of my Windows boxes and gave it this truly byzantine hostname but
> it
> > seems to me that I should be able to assign that static IP to a
> Linux
> > box and then update DNS through my domain registrar.
> >
> > That is, I'm proposing using my own host name and their IP
> address.
> > Can I do that?
> >
> > Kurt
> 
> I do it with my cable.
> 
> www.ujoint.org
> hpb.d2g.com
> steps.linux-site.net
> and a few others ...
> 
> all point to my one IP (from the ISP) and I handle them with vhosts
> in apache.

It probably depends on which cable.  @home really likes the host name
they assigned, or they don't play ball.  I use a router now, and the
host name they assigned is embedded there.  My boxen (WinME, Linux,
Win2000) can have any host name they like, because the name talking to
@home is the assigned name.

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Re: Cable Net Access

2001-11-19 Thread Tim Wunder

Previously, Kurt Wall chose to write:
> Okay, so now I have cable access -- it's a beautiful thing after
> dial-up purgatory -- with a static IP. Theoretically, even though it
> isn't permitted, I can run server services. The installer set up one
> of my Windows boxes and gave it this truly byzantine hostname but it

If it's @home, it's most likely just your account #. You can connect linux to 
it by passing the hostname with the dhcpcd request, dhcpcd -h eth?

> seems to me that I should be able to assign that static IP to a Linux
> box and then update DNS through my domain registrar.
>
> That is, I'm proposing using my own host name and their IP address.
> Can I do that?
>
> Kurt

Yes. I do, sort of...
I'm really using dyndns.org to do it. That way, if @home ever does change my 
IP address, I can update it easily.  But I imagine you can do it your way. 
IIRC, dyndns.org was a better bargain -- one-time payment for DNS services 
rather than yearly payments. 

HTH, 
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Re: Cable Net Access

2001-11-19 Thread Bill Campbell

On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 05:48:10PM -0500, Kurt Wall wrote:
>Okay, so now I have cable access -- it's a beautiful thing after
>dial-up purgatory -- with a static IP. Theoretically, even though it
>isn't permitted, I can run server services. The installer set up one
>of my Windows boxes and gave it this truly byzantine hostname but it
>seems to me that I should be able to assign that static IP to a Linux
>box and then update DNS through my domain registrar. 
>
>That is, I'm proposing using my own host name and their IP address.
>Can I do that?

You may want to do it as a CNAME to avoid reverse lookup mismatches.

Some of the cable providers are blocking port 80 and port 25 to their
customer's machines, largely in response to Code Red, and to avoid problems
with customer's misconfigured MTAs being used for spam relays.

I set up a friend's OpenLinux 3.1 Workstation system on AT&T (@HOME) cable
a month or so ago, and found that port 25 was definately blocked here in
Washington.  I just route mail to and from her domain through one of our
servers using uucp over TCP to get it in and out of her system.  BTW:
She's a 60+ psychologist, and I weaned her from Windows with this system.

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Re: Cable Net Access

2001-11-19 Thread Ian Marchak

Quoting Kurt Wall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Okay, so now I have cable access -- it's a beautiful thing after
> dial-up purgatory -- with a static IP. Theoretically, even though it
> isn't permitted, I can run server services. The installer set up one
> of my Windows boxes and gave it this truly byzantine hostname but it
> seems to me that I should be able to assign that static IP to a Linux
> box and then update DNS through my domain registrar. 
> 
> That is, I'm proposing using my own host name and their IP address.
> Can I do that?

I *think* this list runs on a box doing the vary same.
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Re: Cable Net Access

2001-11-19 Thread John Hiemenz

On Monday 19 November 2001 04:48 pm, you stated :
> Okay, so now I have cable access -- it's a beautiful thing after
> dial-up purgatory -- with a static IP. Theoretically, even though it
> isn't permitted, I can run server services. The installer set up one
> of my Windows boxes and gave it this truly byzantine hostname but it
> seems to me that I should be able to assign that static IP to a Linux
> box and then update DNS through my domain registrar.
>
> That is, I'm proposing using my own host name and their IP address.
> Can I do that?
>
> Kurt

I do it with my cable.

www.ujoint.org
hpb.d2g.com
steps.linux-site.net
and a few others ...

all point to my one IP (from the ISP) and I handle them with vhosts in apache.
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RE: RE: Re: replacing win98

2001-11-19 Thread kbb0927

Susan,

It's not a big issue. The problem is with using suse-provided
kernels as the headers are not recognized.

Briefly you have to do the following (if you are using SuSE 7.2 or 7.3):

from the suse-linux-e archives of November 2001 and by Volker Kuhlmann

1.  install kernel-source-2.4.10.SuSE
2.  make header files
cd /usr/src/linux
make mrproper
make cloneconfig

turn on modules versions by either:
  make xconfig
  Enter "Loadable module support" (2nd down on left)
  Leave maximum supported memory @ 4GB (vmware won't work w/64GB)
  Save and exit:

  or make menuconfig

  or make config

make dep

DO NOT COMPILE MODULES OR INSTALL THE KERNEL OR MODULES

3. Provide missing symlink

   ln -s ../../etc/init.d/vmware /usr/sbin/rcvmware

4. Patch the vmware module code
   Download the patch:
   ftp://platan.vc.cvut.cz/pub/vmware/vmware-ws-1142-for-2.4.7a.tar.gz

 cd /usr/lib/vmware/modules/source
 tar -xpzf vmware-ws-1142-for-2.4.7a.tar.gz
 mv vmware-ws-1142-for-2.4.7a/* .

5. Configure vmware
vmware-config.pl

This is summarized. Go to 
http://lists.suse.com/archives/suse-linux-e/2001-Nov/0750.html  for the actual howto.

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Re: Linux box and ICS

2001-11-19 Thread Chang

don't use ICS> use soemthing better: winroute pro

> Midnight wrote:
> 
> I have a RH linux box connected to a Win98se box via a LAN.  Question
> is, how do I connect to the internet via the ICS on the Windows box?
> 
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Cable Net Access

2001-11-19 Thread Kurt Wall

Okay, so now I have cable access -- it's a beautiful thing after
dial-up purgatory -- with a static IP. Theoretically, even though it
isn't permitted, I can run server services. The installer set up one
of my Windows boxes and gave it this truly byzantine hostname but it
seems to me that I should be able to assign that static IP to a Linux
box and then update DNS through my domain registrar. 

That is, I'm proposing using my own host name and their IP address.
Can I do that?

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Re: backup software recommendations?

2001-11-19 Thread David A. Bandel

On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:13:45 -0500
Bruce Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I use mkCDrec.

Any system can be backed up, but you'll need a CD burner to make the CDs.  

Do NOT keep reusing CDRWs.  Eventually, they will refuse to boot.  I mirror
new installs, then just have to do incrementals from time to time (usually to
tape via cpio from cron). 

But you can just use mkCDrec from time to time.

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RE: problems with my NIC

2001-11-19 Thread Tom Wilson

John Hiemenz wrote:
[mondo snip-o]
> I just found an old 3com 3c59x card, I will try that I guess. 
>  I'm just sick 
> and silly from trying to figure this out on the lack of any 
> time I can spend 
> doing it.

That was going to be my suggestion.  Try a different NIC.  Seems from what
you are describing that the card may be going south.  

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Re: New Kernel, Now No Text Console, SuSE 7.3

2001-11-19 Thread Jason Joines

On Friday 16 November 2001 15:50 pm, you wrote:
>  I compiled a 2.4.10 kernel from kernel.org source with XFS
> filesystem patches from SGI.  When I boot the machine, I get the
> graphical chooser that allows me pick a kernel to boot.  If I boot
> the 2.4.10 SuSE kernel, all works as expected.  If I boot the 2.4.10
> XFS kernel, output to the monitor disappears just as soon as I select
> that kernel.  Everything is still running as I can SSH into the box,
> run X apps, backup software, mount XFS filesystems, etc.  I can't
> seem to find any errors in the logs.  If I start X, it runs like
> normal on vt07 but there is nothing on any of the other vt's.  Any
> ideas?
>
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 It turned out to be my failure to enable VESA framebuffer support. 
 I had enabled framebuffer support, just not the VESA stuff.  Doing 
this fixed the problem.  I now have virtual consoles and XFS filesystem 
support.

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problems with my NIC

2001-11-19 Thread John Hiemenz


I have a problem with my NIC losing 'connetivity' on my boxen.

The nic uses the 'tlan' module, and eth0 comes up fine at boot.

After a period of time that I haven't been able to determine, the networks 
goes kaplop and I can't connect to or from this boxen anylonger.

I tried taking eth0 down and then eth0 back up again, but that didn't help.  
So I take eth0 down, rmmod tlan, and then eth0 back up again and that would 
restore things... temporarily.  It'd go kaplop again eventually.

So I built tlan into my kernel.  This seemed to work, but now after about a 
day it acts the same way again.  I can boot my system and the network 
connection goes bellyup anywhere between 30 minutes to a few hours later.

And it doesn't matter if there is network activity or not.  This has happened 
at times of ftp and web access, and then everything just stops.  It has 
happened when nothing is happening and the next connection times out.

I get messages in /var/log and on the console about 'eth0: link forced'.  It 
seems that as soon as one of these messages appears, my network goes bellyup. 
 It still does this even though the module is compiled into the kernel, which 
I thought was odd. (!?)

I asked this before but got no replies, anyone have any ideas?  Anyone see 
anything like this happening?

I just found an old 3com 3c59x card, I will try that I guess.  I'm just sick 
and silly from trying to figure this out on the lack of any time I can spend 
doing it.
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Re: replacing win98

2001-11-19 Thread Jim Conner

If you need any help finding/installing it, let me know.  I just did this and 
it's a little tricky.  Ok, here's a quick SxS.
- Download korelib tarball and kapital rpm for distro.
- Untar korelib, ./configure, make, make install
- Edit /etc/ld.so.conf.  Add line: /usr/local/lib.  Run ldconfig as root.
- rpm -ivh --prefix=/opt/kde2 kapital-demo???.rpm
Notes:  You can change the --prefix to where ever kde is installed.  The 
initial screens are covered up by the annoying Kapital splash screen.  This 
can be remedied by moving/resizing the screen out of the splash screen's way. 
 This is a very dumbed down demo.  Some features will just send you to the 
Kapital web site when clicked on, but you can get the feel of how it will 
work.

Jim

On Monday, November 19, 2001 2:58, Susan Macchia wrote:
> Thanks - I'll check it out.
>
> > Take a look at Kapital by theKompany.  There should be a demo rpm on
> > their ftp site to look at.  It's very similar to Quicken.  I currently
> > use Moneydance, but will probably be transfering to Kapital soon.  It's
> > cheaper than Moneydance, and looks nicer.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > On Monday, November 19, 2001 9:33, Susan Macchia wrote:
> > 
> >
> > > 
> > > Just tried the latest Quicken 2002 and dislike it - so I may shift
> > > everything to either GNUcash or Moneydance (+ spreadsheet for budget)
> > > since I only do home finances w/ it.  My only issue is finding the time
> > > to make the shift. 
> > >
> > > [snip]
>
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Re: replacing win98

2001-11-19 Thread Susan Macchia

Thanks - I'll check it out.

> Take a look at Kapital by theKompany.  There should be a demo rpm on their
> ftp site to look at.  It's very similar to Quicken.  I currently use
> Moneydance, but will probably be transfering to Kapital soon.  It's cheaper
> than Moneydance, and looks nicer.
>
> Jim
>
> On Monday, November 19, 2001 9:33, Susan Macchia wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Just tried the latest Quicken 2002 and dislike it - so I may shift
> > everything to either GNUcash or Moneydance (+ spreadsheet for budget) since
> > I only do home finances w/ it.  My only issue is finding the time to make
> > the shift. 
> >
> > [snip]


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ping

2001-11-19 Thread DOUGLAS HUNLEY

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Re: System.map

2001-11-19 Thread Douglas J Hunley

Net Llama babbled on about:
> yes.  this is how i've done it for quite some time without any problems.

the multiple .map files or the symlink?

if you use a symlink to /usr/src/linux/System.map... what happens when you 
load some kernel other than the one that corresponds to the source in 
/usr/src/linux.
e.g.
/usr/src/linux -> /usr/src/linux-2.4.14
and /usr/src/l;inux-2.4.13 is there

/boot has the .13 and .14 kernels. /boot/System.map is link to /usr/src/linux

reboot, .14 panics... reboot, choose .13 from lilo menu.. you now have wrong 
map. what would happen?
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Re: New steps (sorta)

2001-11-19 Thread Douglas J Hunley

Herbert H. DeLong babbled on about:
> What is a fron page?

a typo. front page is what it should be.

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Re: hdc

2001-11-19 Thread Randy Donohoe

On Monday 19 November 2001 12:17 pm, you wrote:
> Well, /dev/hdc is a block device, not a link.  You'll need to use
> this command.
> mknod /dev/hdc b 22 0 //Read the man page if needed.
> Make sure it has the proper permissions and ownership with chmod and
> chown.
>
> Jim
Thanks Jim, I'll give that a try this evening. I looked in "Running 
Linux" and basically it said the /dev files were a mess and always had 
been. They did mention mknod, though.
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Re: New steps (sorta)

2001-11-19 Thread Herbert H. DeLong

What is a fron page?
-Original Message-
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Subject: New steps (sorta)


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Re: backup software recommendations?

2001-11-19 Thread Bill Campbell

On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 01:30:54PM -0500, Tim Wunder wrote:
>Douglas J Hunley wrote:
>
>> All righty.. what is everyone using for their backups? I'm currently using 
>> Arkeia and while it's OK, I just know theres something "better" out there. 
>> So, who's using what? I want unattended, robust, stable operation. I'm using 
>> a Seagate DDs2 drive to do the backups (SCSI).
>> Thanks
>> 
>
>Pardon my ignorance, but is it bad to just use dump to backup data? Or tar?

Only if you have to do a complete recovery of the system from cold iron.
Another thing many people forget to do is to fully verify all backups.
Back in the days of the Colorado Memory Systems Junko tape drives, it
wasn't uncommon for them to make unreadable backups yet say everything was
fine.  It's a real nasty surprise to find your ``good'' backups aren't.

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Re: backup software recommendations?

2001-11-19 Thread Bill Campbell

On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 01:06:33PM -0500, Douglas J Hunley wrote:
>John Hiemenz babbled on about:
>> I've been using BackupEDGE from Microlite for years on SCO OpenServer and
>> now use it as well on my linux boxen.  No fancy guis or anything, but it
>> does the job well for me.
>
>got a link? is their a trial version? thanks

http://www.microlite.com

They have 60 day demo versions on-line.  The demos have all the
capabilities of the paid-for versions, and will always restore a backup
even if the demo has expired.

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Re: backup software recommendations?

2001-11-19 Thread Aaron Grewell

It depends on what you're backing up.  For a small single-server
operation that might be doable, but for an organization with many
servers it's neither reliable nor convenient.

On Mon, 2001-11-19 at 10:30, Tim Wunder wrote:
> Douglas J Hunley wrote:
> 
> > All righty.. what is everyone using for their backups? I'm currently using 
> > Arkeia and while it's OK, I just know theres something "better" out there. 
> > So, who's using what? I want unattended, robust, stable operation. I'm using 
> > a Seagate DDs2 drive to do the backups (SCSI).
> > Thanks
> > 
> 
> Pardon my ignorance, but is it bad to just use dump to backup data? Or tar?
> 
> Regards,
> Tim
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Re: idiotic "feature" of Arkeia

2001-11-19 Thread Douglas J Hunley

Bruce Marshall babbled on about:
> On Monday 19 November 2001 7:36 am, Douglas J Hunley wrote:
> > I've started using Arkeia to do nightly backups of linux.nf and I've
> > noticed that whatever files get backed up have their timestamp altered.
> > This completely screws up my nightly Tripwire report. Anyone know how to
> > make Arkeia leave the timestamp along on files it backs up? This is a
> > realy stupid thing for Arkeia to do, IMNSHO...
>
> There is an option in the savepack setup for 'reset access times'.  
> Setting it to 'yes'   (a seeming contradiction)   causes it to reset the
> access times to their original value.

I do have that set to 'yes' amazingly. but it still is giving tripwire grief
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Re: backup software recommendations?

2001-11-19 Thread Tim Wunder

Douglas J Hunley wrote:

> All righty.. what is everyone using for their backups? I'm currently using 
> Arkeia and while it's OK, I just know theres something "better" out there. 
> So, who's using what? I want unattended, robust, stable operation. I'm using 
> a Seagate DDs2 drive to do the backups (SCSI).
> Thanks
> 

Pardon my ignorance, but is it bad to just use dump to backup data? Or tar?

Regards,
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Re: backup software recommendations?

2001-11-19 Thread Douglas J Hunley

John Hiemenz babbled on about:
> I've been using BackupEDGE from Microlite for years on SCO OpenServer and
> now use it as well on my linux boxen.  No fancy guis or anything, but it
> does the job well for me.

got a link? is their a trial version? thanks
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Re: Red Hat 7.2 Gotchas

2001-11-19 Thread Jerry

Well, I installed Red Hat 7.2 and configured my graphics card no problem but
then when I start it up the first time it really screws up (really wierd
screen - when move the mouse it leaves black boxes on the screen. You had to
use Xconfigurator to fix it.also, I don't really have a fix on it but it
freezes when I try to SHUTDOWN it crashes on the console when its starts to
shutdown it happens whenever it wants too..

Thanks
Jerry


> Kurt Wall babbled on about:
> > Hello, list,
> >
> > I'm finishing up a chapter for an unspecified book on Red Hat Linux
> > and you have the opportunity to contribute. In particular, if you ran
> > into problems either installing or configuring a stock installation
> > of 7.2 (or, perchance, one of the pre-7.2 betas), tell me what it is
> > and I may be able to add it to a chapter on troubleshooting and
> > problem solving. If you do so and it makes it into the chapter, you
> > will have both my gratitude and a mention in the acknowledgements.
> > Ayup...
>
> totally off-topic nitpick here Kurt, but could you "adjust" your alias for
> this list. I want to start getting away from that very "label" (re:
refugees)
>
> thanks
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Re: backup software recommendations?

2001-11-19 Thread Bill Campbell

On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 08:44:31AM -0600, John Hiemenz wrote:
...
>I've been using BackupEDGE from Microlite for years on SCO OpenServer and now 
>use it as well on my linux boxen.  No fancy guis or anything, but it does the 
>job well for me.

You beat me to it.  BackupEdge probably has the best recovery ability under
Linux and OpenServer around.  It's easy to go from cold iron to a fully
partitioned system reloading from backups in a minute or two with edge.

The current version also support DVD-RAM which allows almost instantaneous
recovery of any file on the backup media.  The DVD-RAM cartridges hold
4.7gb uncompressed, are rated at 100,000 writes by the lawyers (engineers
say it's a lot higher than that), and cost less than Travan tapes.  SCSI
DVD-RAM drives can be had for about $350.00, and ATAPI units are a bit less
than that (I had a bit of a problem with ATAPI last week on a Caldera
eDesktop 2.4 system, and the support people at Microlite were very helpful
to diagnose the problem, and update the edge.tape program to fix it).

We're building most of our new systems with the DVD-RAM drives instead of a
CDROM and SCSI tape drive, and installing BackupEdge.  The total cost for
the DVD-RAM and Edge is comparable to a DDS-3 SCSI drive.

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Re: replacing win98

2001-11-19 Thread Jim Conner

Take a look at Kapital by theKompany.  There should be a demo rpm on their 
ftp site to look at.  It's very similar to Quicken.  I currently use 
Moneydance, but will probably be transfering to Kapital soon.  It's cheaper 
than Moneydance, and looks nicer.

Jim

On Monday, November 19, 2001 9:33, Susan Macchia wrote:

> 
> Just tried the latest Quicken 2002 and dislike it - so I may shift
> everything to either GNUcash or Moneydance (+ spreadsheet for budget) since
> I only do home finances w/ it.  My only issue is finding the time to make
> the shift. 
>
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Re: hdc

2001-11-19 Thread Jim Conner

Well, /dev/hdc is a block device, not a link.  You'll need to use this 
command.
mknod /dev/hdc b 22 0 //Read the man page if needed.
Make sure it has the proper permissions and ownership with chmod and chown.

Jim

On Monday, November 19, 2001 7:02, Randy Donohoe wrote:
> Trying to get my DVD set up as a reader for X CD Roast I used the
> following command, "cd /dev && rm hdc &&  ln -s scd1 hdc". Somehow it's
> made my DVD disappear. What's the best way to add hdc back to the
> system? I'm running Mandrake 8.1.
> TIA,
> Randy Donohoe

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New steps (sorta)

2001-11-19 Thread Douglas J Hunley

Today: Our new privacy policy is online and in affect. It's linked from the 
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Re: Red Hat 7.2 Gotchas

2001-11-19 Thread Myles Green

On Sun, 18 Nov 2001 18:16:56 -0500
Kurt Wall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello, list,
> 
> I'm finishing up a chapter for an unspecified book on Red Hat Linux
> and you have the opportunity to contribute. In particular, if you ran
> into problems either installing or configuring a stock installation
> of 7.2 (or, perchance, one of the pre-7.2 betas), tell me what it is
> and I may be able to add it to a chapter on troubleshooting and
> problem solving. If you do so and it makes it into the chapter, you
> will have both my gratitude and a mention in the acknowledgements.
> Ayup...

Hi Kurt,

I've been running RH7.2 for about 2 weeks now, it started as a quick
check-out just to see what it was like and it's looking like it's going
to be a keeper for me. I've found a couple of small things that may be
of interest (so far) and will relay them but first I want to do a
reinstall (better partitioning, ext3 etc) so I can be more accurate in
my report. The re-install will take place this evening (have classes
during the day) so I'll be able to comply with your request tomorrow
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Re: backup software recommendations?

2001-11-19 Thread Aaron Grewell

If you'd like to kill flies with a howitzer, try Veritas NetBackup. 
It'll backup from almost anything to almost anything on almost
anything.  It's also seriously complicated, as one would expect from an
enterprise backup solution, and costs a zillion dollars.  Once you get
it set up right it's pretty sweet, though.  All I ever do now is change
the tapes.

On Mon, 2001-11-19 at 06:44, John Hiemenz wrote:
> On Monday 19 November 2001 08:13 am, you stated :
> > On Monday 19 November 2001 7:38 am, Douglas J Hunley wrote:
> > > All righty.. what is everyone using for their backups? I'm currently
> > > using Arkeia and while it's OK, I just know theres something "better" out
> > > there. So, who's using what? I want unattended, robust, stable operation.
> > > I'm using a Seagate DDs2 drive to do the backups (SCSI).
> > > Thanks
> >
> > Using BRU but not one of the freebies that came with Caldera and not all
> > that recent.
> >
> > Used Arkeia for awhile and thought it was pretty good  but overkill for
> > what I needed.   Tried Lone tar and didn't like it at all.   Tried Perfect
> > Backup and hated it.
> >
> > There's not much worthwhile out there.
> >
> > I'm also using DAT drives and the one feature I look for is  QFA for quick
> > restores.   Not very many backups have it.
> 
> I've been using BackupEDGE from Microlite for years on SCO OpenServer and now 
> use it as well on my linux boxen.  No fancy guis or anything, but it does the 
> job well for me.
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Re: Rpm dependency issue

2001-11-19 Thread Kurt Wall

Philip J. Koenig wrote:
> On 18 Nov 2001, at 10:20, Kurt Wall boldly uttered: 

[...]

> > Hmm. install's -d option will force the creation of the desired
> > directory. I'm guessing the Makefile has something hardcoded that's
> > causing this to break.
> 
> I'm worried it will delete or overwrite the existing cron.d 
> directory.  Am I being silly?

No, it won't create a directory that already exists. Existing files in
that directory may get overwritten, but that would be the fault of the
packager, not the install command.

> This is yet another one of those things where it looks like you found 
> an easy way out, and it ends up taking you 3 times longer than doing 
> it the hard way.

[chuckle]

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Re: Rpm dependency issue

2001-11-19 Thread Philip J. Koenig

On 18 Nov 2001, at 10:20, Kurt Wall boldly uttered: 

> > D: Signature size: 149
> > D: Signature pad : 3
> > D: sigsize : 152
> > D: Header + Archive: 644097
> > D: expected size   : 644097
> > D: opening database mode 0x0 in /var/lib/rpm
> > D: found 0 source and 1 binary packages
> > D:   YESA perl = 5.6.0-4B perl = 5.6.0
> > D:  requires: perl = 5.6.0 satisfied by db packages.
> > D:  requires: /etc/cron.d  unsatisfied.
> 
> Hmm. install's -d option will force the creation of the desired
> directory. I'm guessing the Makefile has something hardcoded that's
> causing this to break.


I'm worried it will delete or overwrite the existing cron.d 
directory.  Am I being silly?

This is yet another one of those things where it looks like you found 
an easy way out, and it ends up taking you 3 times longer than doing 
it the hard way.

Prolly going to compile and install the tarball.. just downloaded it.
(Gotta be way easier than with COL 2.3 when I had to find, configure, 
compile and install the gd library, zlibrary, libpng, libjpeg, etc 
etc.  At least those are already part of COL 3.1 now.)

Thx,


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Re: backup software recommendations?

2001-11-19 Thread John Hiemenz

On Monday 19 November 2001 08:13 am, you stated :
> On Monday 19 November 2001 7:38 am, Douglas J Hunley wrote:
> > All righty.. what is everyone using for their backups? I'm currently
> > using Arkeia and while it's OK, I just know theres something "better" out
> > there. So, who's using what? I want unattended, robust, stable operation.
> > I'm using a Seagate DDs2 drive to do the backups (SCSI).
> > Thanks
>
> Using BRU but not one of the freebies that came with Caldera and not all
> that recent.
>
> Used Arkeia for awhile and thought it was pretty good  but overkill for
> what I needed.   Tried Lone tar and didn't like it at all.   Tried Perfect
> Backup and hated it.
>
> There's not much worthwhile out there.
>
> I'm also using DAT drives and the one feature I look for is  QFA for quick
> restores.   Not very many backups have it.

I've been using BackupEDGE from Microlite for years on SCO OpenServer and now 
use it as well on my linux boxen.  No fancy guis or anything, but it does the 
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Re: replacing win98

2001-11-19 Thread Susan Macchia


I had a dual boot when I first started using Linux (COL2.4) way back.  *HATED*
having to reboot.  To me, one of the most important features is a stable OS
that doesn't have to be rebooted several times a day.  And as a unix developer
from way back, I truly dislike windows and LOVE having the familiar OS and
tools at my fingertips; I can transfer knowledge from 15+ years easily.  I can
always figure out what is going on and can build any kind of product I want. 
Plus the loads of open source goodies out there... well preaching to the quire
:-)

As far as word processing/office stuff is concerned, Star/Open Office is
completely adequate for 99% of my needs.  I only use windows for Quicken,
Daytimer Addressbook, and occasional printing of photos (the tool is nice - can
place photo wherever I want on page *easily*).

So - since I use linux for everything else, I DO NOT want to reboot and have
been using Win4Lin until my switch to SuSE (netraverse doesn't have a 7.3
enabled kernel).  This prompted me to try VMware - hence this discussion.  At
some point over the next year or so, I want to be completely windoze free... 


Just tried the latest Quicken 2002 and dislike it - so I may shift everything
to either GNUcash or Moneydance (+ spreadsheet for budget) since I only do home
finances w/ it.  My only issue is finding the time to make the shift.


[snip]
> > I'd really like to keep win2k because I need to use
> > Word for the
> > occasions when my boss ships me an Office2k .doc file that I need to
> > read or
> > update (like our software project plan).
>
> Just my $.02.  YMMV.  If all you need Windoze for is the occasional
> document or unsupported feature, just keep a dual boot environment
> (as I do) and also get up to speed with OpenOffice 638C (as I do)
> (or the equivalent Beta StarOffice release).  Many Office documents
> can be read and exported by OO now, although there's not always an
> exact equivalence for fonts.  OO/Star is  bit slow to startup, but
> it's getting much better with each release. It's a lot simpler than
> monkying around with Windows emulators.


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Re: backup software recommendations?

2001-11-19 Thread Bruce Marshall

On Monday 19 November 2001 7:38 am, Douglas J Hunley wrote:
> All righty.. what is everyone using for their backups? I'm currently using
> Arkeia and while it's OK, I just know theres something "better" out there.
> So, who's using what? I want unattended, robust, stable operation. I'm
> using a Seagate DDs2 drive to do the backups (SCSI).
> Thanks

Using BRU but not one of the freebies that came with Caldera and not all that 
recent.

Used Arkeia for awhile and thought it was pretty good  but overkill for what 
I needed.   Tried Lone tar and didn't like it at all.   Tried Perfect Backup 
and hated it.

There's not much worthwhile out there.   

I'm also using DAT drives and the one feature I look for is  QFA for quick 
restores.   Not very many backups have it.


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Re: idiotic "feature" of Arkeia

2001-11-19 Thread Bruce Marshall

On Monday 19 November 2001 7:36 am, Douglas J Hunley wrote:
> I've started using Arkeia to do nightly backups of linux.nf and I've
> noticed that whatever files get backed up have their timestamp altered.
> This completely screws up my nightly Tripwire report. Anyone know how to
> make Arkeia leave the timestamp along on files it backs up? This is a realy
> stupid thing for Arkeia to do, IMNSHO...

There is an option in the savepack setup for 'reset access times'.   Setting 
it to 'yes'   (a seeming contradiction)   causes it to reset the access times 
to their original value.


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Re: Dual CD's

2001-11-19 Thread R. Quenett

from Douglas J Hunley:

" > ...you must then provide the kernel command line "hdx=scsi"...
" 
" interesting. wonder if works like that or if it's a typo

Dunno for sure but on my lfs 2.4.12-ac3 (which I'm not exercising 
very hard, yet) minus the compiled in native atapi drivers , it just 
seems as if it might not be a typo.  There doesn't seem to be any 
difference in whether or not I can read (haven't tried to write) a cd 
in the burner if there is any append= or not or what it is.  But.  If 
I use append="hdd=scsi" and check the boot message log, I get a line: 
'kernel command line=yadda yadda' immediately followed by a line: 
'ide_setup: hdd=scsi'.  If I use append="hdd=ide-scsi", I don't get 
the ide_setup line.  

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Re: Re: replacing win98

2001-11-19 Thread Bruce Marshall

On Monday 19 November 2001 7:10 am, Susan Macchia wrote:
> I would go with the express and it's based on 2.0; so I was wondering what
> was needed and how to apply it.  TIA

All you have to do is replace a file with a  newer one.   After that, the  
vmware-config.pl operates just the same.


If you need the file, let me know.


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backup software recommendations?

2001-11-19 Thread Douglas J Hunley

All righty.. what is everyone using for their backups? I'm currently using 
Arkeia and while it's OK, I just know theres something "better" out there. 
So, who's using what? I want unattended, robust, stable operation. I'm using 
a Seagate DDs2 drive to do the backups (SCSI).
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idiotic "feature" of Arkeia

2001-11-19 Thread Douglas J Hunley

I've started using Arkeia to do nightly backups of linux.nf and I've noticed 
that whatever files get backed up have their timestamp altered. This 
completely screws up my nightly Tripwire report. Anyone know how to make 
Arkeia leave the timestamp along on files it backs up? This is a realy stupid 
thing for Arkeia to do, IMNSHO...
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Re: XFCE...

2001-11-19 Thread Collins Richey

On Sun, 18 Nov 2001 22:56:13 -0500 Jerry McBride <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> 
> I don't know if you guys caught this one... XFCE is up to 3.8.11
> and available at sourceforge.
> -- 

Ayup, and I've been running it for some time.  As usual, it's pretty
solid.

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Re: replacing win98

2001-11-19 Thread Collins Richey



[ snips ]On Sun, 18 Nov 2001 19:13:07 -0800 (PST) Susan Macchia
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Keith Antione wrote:
> > On Monday 19 November 2001 02:54, Susan Macchia enunciated:
> > > I was running the full version (evaulation copy) and used the
> wizard to
> > > create the vm. 

> > > I still haven't decided whether to fork up the $ for the full
> version or to
> > > go with the express, since I may not need win2k.  But I do think
> that I am
> > > going to give up on Win4Lin...

> I'd really like to keep win2k because I need to use
> Word for the
> occasions when my boss ships me an Office2k .doc file that I need to
> read or
> update (like our software project plan).  

Just my $.02.  YMMV.  If all you need Windoze for is the occasional
document or unsupported feature, just keep a dual boot environment (as
I do) and also get up to speed with OpenOffice 638C (as I do)  (or the
equivalent Beta StarOffice release).  Many Office documents can be
read and exported by OO now, although there's not always an exact
equivalence for fonts.  OO/Star is  bit slow to startup, but it's
getting much better with each release.

It's a lot simpler than monkying around with Windows emulators.


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Re: Linux box and ICS

2001-11-19 Thread Collins Richey

On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 05:49:04 -0500 Bill Day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> ICS requires clients to use its built in DHCP.  So let it assign it.
>  ICS 
> will assign of course 192.168.0.1 to the winbox and then each box as
> it 
> connect wil get the next succeeding ip address of local.  I do not
> know of 
> anyway to change ti from 192.168.0.# to another Class or tfrom
> 255.255.255.0 
> to another subnet.
> 
> My biggest suggestion.  Learn your way around the RH box fast. 
> Setup your 
> connection, firewall(pmfirewall good for ipchains type kernels) and
> DHCP.
> 
> Much more can be done with a linuxbox in control then a winbox, I
> learned the 
> hardway  8^)
> 
> HTH,
> 
> On Sunday 18 November 2001 22:31, you were heard blurting out:
> > Midnight babbled on about:
> > > I have a RH linux box connected to a Win98se box via a LAN. 
> Question is,
> > > how do I connect to the internet via the ICS on the Windows box?
> >
> > Simply configure the RH box with a static ip (might I suggest
> 192.168.1.10)
> > and then list the Win98 box as the default route. That should do
> it.
> >
> > Does your win98 box have a DHCP address, or a static one? one
> ethernet
> > card, or two?
> 

I ran this configuration for a long time (ICS) and it worked OK, but I
got tired of having to boot the Windoze machine.  So I bought a cheap
router box (Netgear) on sale at BestBuy.  The router box talks to my
cable modem, and the Windoze and Linux box use DHCP to talk to the
router.  This way you only need one NIC card in each box.

With ICS (you have two NICs in the Windoze box, right?) it's as stated
above.  Make the Windoze IP address the gateway for your Linux box,
and all will be cool.

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Re: Re: replacing win98

2001-11-19 Thread Susan Macchia

I would go with the express and it's based on 2.0; so I was wondering what was
needed and how to apply it.  TIA

Bruce Marshall wrote:

>On Sunday 18 November 2001 22:22 pm, Susan Macchia wrote:
> > I am still evaluating VMware 3.0, but want to probably go with express.
> > Since I am running 2.4.10 kernel (SuSE 7.3), what kind of "work around"
> > might I have to do?  I'd like to know before I fork up the dough.
>
> No workaround should be needed for any version of VMWare at the 3.x level.
>
> The work around mentioned was for people running 2.0.x versions of VMware
> when they wanted to run  2.4.7 or greater kernels.  A small piece of new
> source was needed and it was readily available.  I still have it but you
> shouldn't need it.   I'm running vanilla  2.4.14  with 3.0 workstation and it
> installs just fine.



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hdc

2001-11-19 Thread Randy Donohoe

Trying to get my DVD set up as a reader for X CD Roast I used the 
following command, "cd /dev && rm hdc &&  ln -s scd1 hdc". Somehow it's 
made my DVD disappear. What's the best way to add hdc back to the 
system? I'm running Mandrake 8.1.
TIA,
Randy Donohoe
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Re: Linux box and ICS

2001-11-19 Thread Bill Day

ICS requires clients to use its built in DHCP.  So let it assign it.  ICS 
will assign of course 192.168.0.1 to the winbox and then each box as it 
connect wil get the next succeeding ip address of local.  I do not know of 
anyway to change ti from 192.168.0.# to another Class or tfrom 255.255.255.0 
to another subnet.

My biggest suggestion.  Learn your way around the RH box fast.  Setup your 
connection, firewall(pmfirewall good for ipchains type kernels) and DHCP.

Much more can be done with a linuxbox in control then a winbox, I learned the 
hardway  8^)

HTH,

On Sunday 18 November 2001 22:31, you were heard blurting out:
> Midnight babbled on about:
> > I have a RH linux box connected to a Win98se box via a LAN.  Question is,
> > how do I connect to the internet via the ICS on the Windows box?
>
> Simply configure the RH box with a static ip (might I suggest 192.168.1.10)
> and then list the Win98 box as the default route. That should do it.
>
> Does your win98 box have a DHCP address, or a static one? one ethernet
> card, or two?

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Re: Red Hat 7.2 Gotchas

2001-11-19 Thread Kurt Wall

Zoran's mailinglist account wrote:
> On Nov 18 Kurt Wall was heard saying:
> 
> ->Hello, list,

[request for input]

> 1/ It still doesn't recognize a wheel mouse and thus doesn't configure the
> mouse properly. The list of available mice is rather empty when doing a re
> config with "mouseconfig" (the TUI utility).

This is a keeper.

> 2/ The up2date utility is still buggy - it keeps asking to register chez
> RH even when it's done - and is a relatively big "nothing" compared to the
> auto update feature of SuSE or Debian...

I haven't had this problem. The shortcomings are evident, but such are
not the meat of a problem solving and troubleshooting chapter.

> 3/ The guy's at Red Hat have sometimes good idea's and do nice init
> scripts, but for Christ's sake, can't they comment them a bit more!?

[...]

Well, there's little to address in the book for this one. I suggest
sending this as a suggestion to RH.

Thanks for the reply.

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Re: Red Hat 7.2 Gotchas

2001-11-19 Thread Kurt Wall

Michael Scottaline wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Nov 2001 18:16:56 -0500
> Kurt Wall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Hello, list,
> > 
> > I'm finishing up a chapter for an unspecified book on Red Hat Linux
> > and you have the opportunity to contribute. In particular, if you ran

[...]

>   Suggestion:  Have you tried posting a similar request to the RedHat
> list??  Or perhaps a scan of their archives??  I recently joined the list
> and it appears to be fairly active.  I'm sure you'd get some hits.
> Just my US$0.02,

Thanks. I'll give that a whirl.

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Re: [SLE] FAQ

2001-11-19 Thread Michael Scottaline

On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:50:21 +0100
Oliver Ob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> Indeed I keep getting feedback of people asking why I am no longer
> on the german Suse list. But all those german NET-FASCISTS who
> insist on inquisitory rules such as "obey to our non-suse, but
> mega-netiquette or be banned of list with plum & plonk"

> But what a beginner really needs is like
> 
> 1. How to FAST setup my Netscape to work
>- analoque/ISDN
>- parallely with the mails I have under Windoze
> 2. How to get a little DOS-feeling (console commands)
> 3. What applications can I use
>example: XMMS like Winamp/Sonique
> Mutt/Netscape instead of Locked-off (outlook)
> and so forth.
> 
> *** I suggest we collect like questions we find useful
> to newbies and then see what we have got and compile that.
> 
> Beginners do learn. But what they do not intend to read
> is a fucking self-made ego-netiquette.


Yes, this list is most helpful and very newbie friendly.  An additinal
newbie friendly list, with an excellent SxS written for newbies, about a
variety of linux topics, can be found at http://linux.nf
The SxS (step by step) is written by list members, posted after peer
review.  At most a newbie might be politely pointed at that site for a
more detailed explanation of how to do what they want. It's truly a
step-by-step, rather than a bloated how-to.  Might be similar to what you
are suggesting.
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Re: Red Hat 7.2 Gotchas

2001-11-19 Thread Kurt Wall

Douglas J Hunley wrote:
> 
> totally off-topic nitpick here Kurt, but could you "adjust" your alias for 
> this list. I want to start getting away from that very "label" (re: refugees)

How's that?

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