Re: Another great article by D.E.P.
On Thu, 06 Sep 2001 11:22:18 +0800 Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] insightfully noted: That didn't help your older son. he's still using M$. Your older son should have demonstrated Netscape for Win32, not IE/OE. :) = He only uses M$ when he's already in there for Diablo II or some other such game that has not yet been ported to Linux. Otherwise he's a KDE (occasionally enlightenment) user when he's working on the computer. I'm not sure which browser he was showing her. I think she just didn't like the interface of Windows shrug Mike -- I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy. --Tom Waits ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Another great article by D.E.P.
Here's another great article by dep. http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/opinions/3751/1/ I've helped 2 of my friends install Caldera eD2.4. One is using it on a sporadic basis, just testing the waters, not doing anything critical yet. He's hooked on Shisen-Sho though. And the other claims he doesn't have the time to learn it. Another of my friends wants to try a dual-boot on his machine when he has to format/re-install windows next time. Most of the people that I know know that I run a Linux distro. I've had them ask plenty of questions about it. I've tried to answer them to the best of my ability. I've only been running eD2.4 since April 2000 and I've seen Linux grow by leaps and bounds. I tell most people that if Linux doesn't do what you want now, wait 6 months and it probably will(unless you are a programmer and want to code it yourself). Jim -- 9:42am up 5 days, 16:42, 2 users, load average: 0.14, 0.28, 0.33 Running Caldera eD2.4 - Linux - because life is too short for reboots... _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Another great article by D.E.P.
On Wednesday 05 September 2001 10:56 am, Jim Conner wrote: Here's another great article by dep. http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/opinions/3751/1/ I've helped 2 of my friends install Caldera eD2.4. One is using it on a sporadic basis, just testing the waters, not doing anything critical yet. He's hooked on Shisen-Sho though. And the other claims he doesn't have the time to learn it. Another of my friends wants to try a dual-boot on his machine when he has to format/re-install windows next time. Most of the people that I know know that I run a Linux distro. I've had them ask plenty of questions about it. I've tried to answer them to the best of my ability. I've only been running eD2.4 since April 2000 and I've seen Linux grow by leaps and bounds. I tell most people that if Linux doesn't do what you want now, wait 6 months and it probably will(unless you are a programmer and want to code it yourself). Jim Any chance of making a list of those questions? I'm making a totally newbie FAQ of the simple questions people usually want answered. End user stuff. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 09/05/01 11:13 + ++ Real women don't have hot flashes, they have power surges. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Another great article by D.E.P.
If you are referring to questions once a new user looks at a Linux distro for the first time(or tenth time), please see my post in the FAQ thread. If you are wanting questions about people that are curious about linux, then here are some with some of my answers. Can Linux run program XYZ? This is where I lead the discussion to the programs functionality rather than the program's name. I tell them about program ABC in linux that can do the same thing in much the same way, unless the program has been ported over to linux. Can I keep Windows? Will it interfere or otherwise mess up my Windows install? Most people that want to test the waters when it comes to linux, still want to have a working and fully functional copy of Windows. You just need to explain dual-booting and partitioning in very simplistic terms. Only recommend Win4Lin or VMWare if you are positive that all their windows software will work in that environment. Will my (insert hardware here) work with linux as well as it does in Windows? Unless you know for sure, do some research and find out. Before they install any linux distro, make sure that their sound card, video card, modem and printer are compatible. Nothing is more frustrating to a new user to be told after the install that they can't get out on to the internet or hear any sounds unless they buy a new modem and sound card. Tell them first that their winmodem and integrated sound isn't supported and they need to upgrade to be able to fully use linux. Is linux really more secure than Windows? I tell them that any OS is only as secure as the person Admining it. You can install any Linux distro, turn on every daemon and service, not run a firewall, and not update any security patches and you will be rooted in a short time. If you don't run any service or daemon, keep up on security patches, and run a tight firewall, the chance of being rooted are slim. I'm reminded of the article that dep wrote saying that connecting any OS to the internet comes with a certian responsibility to make sure that it's secure. I'm sure that there are other questions, if I think of more, I'll e-mail them to you. Jim On Wednesday September 05, 2001 10:14 am, Bruce Marshall wrote: snip Any chance of making a list of those questions? I'm making a totally newbie FAQ of the simple questions people usually want answered. End user stuff. -- 9:42am up 5 days, 16:42, 2 users, load average: 0.14, 0.28, 0.33 Running Caldera eD2.4 - Linux - because life is too short for reboots... _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Another great article by D.E.P.
On Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:56:56 -0500 Jim Conner [EMAIL PROTECTED] was inspired to comment: Here's another great article by dep. http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/opinions/3751/1/ I agree, it's a very well done article. No surprise there! I've helped 2 of my friends install Caldera eD2.4. One is using it on a sporadic basis, just testing the waters, not doing anything critical yet. He's hooked on Shisen-Sho though. And the other claims he doesn't have the time to learn it. Another of my friends wants to try a dual-boot on his machine when he has to format/re-install windows next time. Most of the people that I know know that I run a Linux distro. I've had them ask plenty of questions about it. I've tried to answer them to the best of my ability. I've only been running eD2.4 since April 2000 and I've seen Linux grow by leaps and bounds. I tell most people that if Linux doesn't do what you want now, wait 6 months and it probably will(unless you are a programmer and want to code it yourself). A few months ago, my father-in-law (aged 76) purchased his first computer. He had never really used one and thus was/is a TOTAL newbie. He and my sister-in-law got together and decided to buy from Dell. Not bad, but I cautioned tham to refuse ME (get 98 instead), refuse the MSN deal, and insist on a real modem. Well they followed non of these suggestions, and now I'm stuck helping him with his worthless OS and even more hideous ISP (MSN.com). The more I think about it though, the more I wish I had just installed a linux distro on the damn thing and been done with it. He was starting from *0* knowledge anyway. why not teach him linux (purely as a user at first - I would have retained root privileges for myself, until he was able to assume that responsibility). From a pure user perspective, IMHO opinion, linux is at least as easy (perhaps easier) to learn as windoze. And without the M$ _pre-conditoining_ I believe it's probably also easier for the user to learn how the system actually operates. My bride (or over 20 years ;o) ) never really used a computer until she took a position as a teachers' assistant at a local elementary school. She learned to e-mail on their imacs and execute some other simple computer tasks. At home she now uses linux to write things, browse the web and manage her e-mail. One day, my older son was trying to show her how to do such things in win98. Ultimately she just became exasperated and declared, Get me out of here and boot linux please. I just don't get windows!! I took her to dinner hehehe Mike -- You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline - it helps if you have some kind of a football team, or some nuclear weapons, but at the very least you need a beer. - Frank Zappa _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
RE: Another great article by D.E.P.
Jim, Most people that want to test the waters when it comes to linux, still want to have a working and fully functional copy of Windows. You Isn't this an oxymoron? In Harmony's Way, and In A Chord, Tom :-}) +--+ | Thomas A. Condonemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Computer Engineer phone: (360) 315-7609| | Barbershop Bass SingerSailor and Singer of Chanties | | Left Handed and In My Right Mind | +--+ ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
