Re: Input for a FAQ
On Thursday 06 September 2001 01:14, Bruce Marshall wrote: Big Green Button - personalisation (aussie spelling) -Time Dates Tab, change time format with salt and pepper. Could you expand on the 'salt and pepper' issue? (or did I miss something) jsut fiddle with the settings in that dialog box, you should see the results immediately on the lower time display (but they don't become effective for the rest of kde until you re-login Btw, as sum1 else pointed out big-green-button-personalisation-time dates. the acutal %h %t %H %T type paramaters you use are unfortunately a little esoteric and afaik not documented _anywhere_ (not man date, at least). You can test out various paramaters in a Konsole and typing date %h etc etc one of my favorites is date --date `last month` -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Input for a FAQ
Quoting Mike Andrew: SNIP the acutal %h %t %H %T type paramaters you use are unfortunately a little esoteric and afaik not documented _anywhere_ (not man date, at least). You can test out various paramaters in a Konsole and typing date %h etc etc one of my favorites is date --date `last month` Mike, they are documented quite well I think: 'date --help' This would actually be a good newbie type tip...before wallowin into man/info pages try 'executable --help' first...sometimes it's all you need. -- Linux SxS [http://members.home.net/linuxsteps/] ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Input for a FAQ
On Sep 4 Bruce Marshall was heard saying: -A long session on the phone the other night with my SO (who is now running -Linux with little experience) leads me back to the subject I once posted -here: - -A FAQ or document for total Linux newbies (but END USERS) - -From some of the questions that came up, I figure a FAQ might be the best way -to handle it (in HTML format). - -So I would like to ask the group for input on questions to be answered and -also if there is anyone who would like to colaborate on it. *** I'll try and think up some useful newbe questions. -It would be based on KDE and the very basics of Linux. Therefore it would *** I won't be of much help here as I'm using xfce. Zoran. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Input for a FAQ
On Wednesday 05 September 2001 18:18, Ronnie Gauthier wrote: I have a Q but no A how to change time format from 24hour to 12hour in KDE2x Big Green Button - personalisation (aussie spelling) -Time Dates Tab, change time format with salt and pepper. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Input for a FAQ
On Wednesday 05 September 2001 02:43 am, Zoki (News) wrote: On Sep 4 Bruce Marshall was heard saying: -A long session on the phone the other night with my SO (who is now running -Linux with little experience) leads me back to the subject I once posted -here: - -A FAQ or document for total Linux newbies (but END USERS) - -From some of the questions that came up, I figure a FAQ might be the best way -to handle it (in HTML format). - -So I would like to ask the group for input on questions to be answered and -also if there is anyone who would like to colaborate on it. *** I'll try and think up some useful newbe questions. -It would be based on KDE and the very basics of Linux. Therefore it would *** I won't be of much help here as I'm using xfce. Well, submit them anyway I made up a list of 26 questions last night and probably half of them do not deal with any WM 1) How do I get a file off a floppy disk? (must talk about unmounting as well) 2) How do I save a file to a floppy? (It's not the A: drive anymore) 3) What do I do if my machine seems to be stuck? 4) How to I shut off my machine? (from the logoff point) 5) How do I send email? (assumes Kmail is all set to go) 6) How do I adjust the sound volume (somewhat distro dependant) 7) How do I use a CD? 8) How to I write a letter? (very basic StarOffice or Koffice) 9) How do I print a file? 10) What is a virtual desktop? 11) What is a virtual console? A 'window' console? 12) How do I start up my machine? 13) How do I connect to the Internet? (many ways) 14) How do I enter a console command? 15) What is 'root' and how do I get there? 16) What is an IP address and how do I find mine? 17) How do I find out if a program is running? 18) How do I kill a program? 19) How do I tell how full my HD is? 20) Where are the games? 21) How do I move a window to another virtual desktop? 22) How do I close a window? 23) How do I add an icon to my desktop? The task tray? 24) How do I switch between virtual desktops? 25) What are shortcuts for moving between windows? 26) What browsers are available? 27) How do I customize my desktop? Some of the above sound like I'm going more technical than I said I was going to go but the information (like root commands and IP address) may be necessary for someone else to provide help and maintenance. At least that's the case for me where I am 480 miles from the person I am trying to assist. Therefore, any questions that provide methods for users to glean information for someone else would be ok. (such as use of top to find a runaway program) -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 09/05/01 08:48 + ++ When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign; that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Input for a FAQ
On Wednesday 05 September 2001 05:21 am, Mike Andrew wrote: On Wednesday 05 September 2001 18:18, Ronnie Gauthier wrote: I have a Q but no A how to change time format from 24hour to 12hour in KDE2x Big Green Button - personalisation (aussie spelling) -Time Dates Tab, change time format with salt and pepper. Could you expand on the 'salt and pepper' issue? (or did I miss something) I just tried to find the KDE help on the Time Dates tab and decided that the 'HelpCenter' is totally worthless. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 09/05/01 09:43 + ++ We hold these truths to be self evident: all men could be cremated equal. - Vern Parlow ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Input for a FAQ
I've proposed something like this to a couple of KDE mailing lists. While it got warm kudos for the idea, getting it implemented was a problem. I proposed that it become a section in the KHelpcenter. Titled: How do I? This would have the 27 questions and others with instructions in plain english(or other languages) and pretty screen shots as to how a very new user can accomplish a given task. I think this would be a great addition to KDE. Unfortunately my knowledge of how to implement this is lacking in the necessary skills. Here are some other questions that I've thought of and have had posed to me by new users. How do I change my background? How do I change my screensaver? How do I add/remove/move icons on the bottom panel(Kicker)? How do I find a file? How do I import/install a new theme? Hope this helps. I hope it can at least be a new addition to the SxS. Some of this stuff will be KDE/Gnome/Other specific. Therefore I think that there should be primary sections in there for each Desktop/WM. IMHO, the organization should be as such: SxS Index How Do I? (and other FAQs) KDE 1.x How do I? #1 How do I? #2 etc. KDE 2.x same as above Gnome(different ones if needed for each wm used) XFCE Enlightenment These will be primarily used for KDE 2.x and Gnome since they are the primary desktops used by new users. As you can see these questions will not contain anything that is currently in the SxS. These questions will be targeted for a very new user of any Linux distro. Granted instead of a SxS, I would like to see it integrated into the KHelpcenter where it would do the most good. If anyone wants to take my idea and start coding the project, feel free. I'm sure that the same could be done for Gnome and others. Jim On Wednesday September 05, 2001 7:49 am, Bruce Marshall wrote: snip Well, submit them anyway I made up a list of 26 questions last night and probably half of them do not deal with any WM 1) How do I get a file off a floppy disk? (must talk about unmounting as well) 2) How do I save a file to a floppy? (It's not the A: drive anymore) 3) What do I do if my machine seems to be stuck? 4) How to I shut off my machine? (from the logoff point) 5) How do I send email? (assumes Kmail is all set to go) 6) How do I adjust the sound volume (somewhat distro dependant) 7) How do I use a CD? 8) How to I write a letter? (very basic StarOffice or Koffice) 9) How do I print a file? 10) What is a virtual desktop? 11) What is a virtual console? A 'window' console? 12) How do I start up my machine? 13) How do I connect to the Internet? (many ways) 14) How do I enter a console command? 15) What is 'root' and how do I get there? 16) What is an IP address and how do I find mine? 17) How do I find out if a program is running? 18) How do I kill a program? 19) How do I tell how full my HD is? 20) Where are the games? 21) How do I move a window to another virtual desktop? 22) How do I close a window? 23) How do I add an icon to my desktop? The task tray? 24) How do I switch between virtual desktops? 25) What are shortcuts for moving between windows? 26) What browsers are available? 27) How do I customize my desktop? Some of the above sound like I'm going more technical than I said I was going to go but the information (like root commands and IP address) may be necessary for someone else to provide help and maintenance. At least that's the case for me where I am 480 miles from the person I am trying to assist. Therefore, any questions that provide methods for users to glean information for someone else would be ok. (such as use of top to find a runaway program) -- 9:42am up 5 days, 16:42, 2 users, load average: 0.14, 0.28, 0.33 Running Caldera eD2.4 - Linux - because life is too short for reboots... _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Input for a FAQ
On Wednesday 05 September 2001 11:22 am, Jim Conner wrote: I've proposed something like this to a couple of KDE mailing lists. While it got warm kudos for the idea, getting it implemented was a problem. I proposed that it become a section in the KHelpcenter. Titled: How do I? This would have the 27 questions and others with instructions in plain english(or other languages) and pretty screen shots as to how a very new user can accomplish a given task. I think this would be a great addition to KDE. Unfortunately my knowledge of how to implement this is lacking in the necessary skills. Here are some other questions that I've thought of and have had posed to me by new users. How do I change my background? How do I change my screensaver? How do I add/remove/move icons on the bottom panel(Kicker)? How do I find a file? How do I import/install a new theme? Hope this helps. I hope it can at least be a new addition to the SxS. Some of this stuff will be KDE/Gnome/Other specific. Therefore I think that there should be primary sections in there for each Desktop/WM. IMHO, the organization should be as such: SxS Index How Do I? (and other FAQs) KDE 1.x How do I? #1 How do I? #2 etc. KDE 2.x same as above Gnome(different ones if needed for each wm used) XFCE Enlightenment These will be primarily used for KDE 2.x and Gnome since they are the primary desktops used by new users. As you can see these questions will not contain anything that is currently in the SxS. These questions will be targeted for a very new user of any Linux distro. Granted instead of a SxS, I would like to see it integrated into the KHelpcenter where it would do the most good. If anyone wants to take my idea and start coding the project, feel free. I'm sure that the same could be done for Gnome and others. Jim On Wednesday September 05, 2001 7:49 am, Bruce Marshall wrote: snip Well, submit them anyway I made up a list of 26 questions last night and probably half of them do not deal with any WM 1) How do I get a file off a floppy disk? (must talk about unmounting as well) 2) How do I save a file to a floppy? (It's not the A: drive anymore) 3) What do I do if my machine seems to be stuck? 4) How to I shut off my machine? (from the logoff point) 5) How do I send email? (assumes Kmail is all set to go) 6) How do I adjust the sound volume (somewhat distro dependant) 7) How do I use a CD? 8) How to I write a letter? (very basic StarOffice or Koffice) 9) How do I print a file? 10) What is a virtual desktop? 11) What is a virtual console? A 'window' console? 12) How do I start up my machine? 13) How do I connect to the Internet? (many ways) 14) How do I enter a console command? 15) What is 'root' and how do I get there? 16) What is an IP address and how do I find mine? 17) How do I find out if a program is running? 18) How do I kill a program? 19) How do I tell how full my HD is? 20) Where are the games? 21) How do I move a window to another virtual desktop? 22) How do I close a window? 23) How do I add an icon to my desktop? The task tray? 24) How do I switch between virtual desktops? 25) What are shortcuts for moving between windows? 26) What browsers are available? 27) How do I customize my desktop? Some of the above sound like I'm going more technical than I said I was going to go but the information (like root commands and IP address) may be necessary for someone else to provide help and maintenance. At least that's the case for me where I am 480 miles from the person I am trying to assist. Therefore, any questions that provide methods for users to glean information for someone else would be ok. (such as use of top to find a runaway program) Good questions and commentsAlthough I'm planning on it being somewhat KDE specific (for GUI stuff) I think the best thing to come out of this will be the list of questions.Then, hopefully, someone could take those questions and with changing about 25% or less of the document, come up with something for Gnome or any other WM. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 09/05/01 12:17 + ++ I hit the CTRL key but I'm still not in control ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Input for a FAQ
In my KDE its under small green buttonsystem and there is no place to alter the format. mandrake 7.2, KDE 2.0 guess it must be time to think about upgrading. On Wednesday 05 September 2001 04:21, Mike Andrew wrote: On Wednesday 05 September 2001 18:18, Ronnie Gauthier wrote: I have a Q but no A how to change time format from 24hour to 12hour in KDE2x Big Green Button - personalisation (aussie spelling) -Time Dates Tab, change time format with salt and pepper. -- Ronnie == Life can be a dream; or it can be a nightmare it's all in your mind ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Input for a FAQ
On Wednesday 05 September 2001 12:17 pm, Ronnie Gauthier wrote: In my KDE its under small green buttonsystem and there is no place to alter the format. mandrake 7.2, KDE 2.0 guess it must be time to think about upgrading. On Wednesday 05 September 2001 04:21, Mike Andrew wrote: On Wednesday 05 September 2001 18:18, Ronnie Gauthier wrote: I have a Q but no A how to change time format from 24hour to 12hour in KDE2x Big Green Button - personalisation (aussie spelling) -Time Dates Tab, change time format with salt and pepper. How about? Big Green Button - personalisation (aussie spelling) - Country Language -- Time Dates Tab, ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 09/05/01 12:40 + ++ Many are cold, but few are frozen. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Input for a FAQ
A long session on the phone the other night with my SO (who is now running Linux with little experience) leads me back to the subject I once posted here: A FAQ or document for total Linux newbies (but END USERS) From some of the questions that came up, I figure a FAQ might be the best way to handle it (in HTML format). So I would like to ask the group for input on questions to be answered and also if there is anyone who would like to colaborate on it. Remember: This is for your grandmother, or your computer illiterate brother-in-law. Someone who knows just enough about computers to turn one on and be expected to look at menus, etc and know what a cursor is. Typical questions: 1) How to I access a floppy disk? 2) How do I write a letter? 3) What is a 'console'? (might be needed for recovery situations or other special commands) 4) What do I do if my machine appears stuck? 5) My desktop went away. Where's my Kmail? It would be based on KDE and the very basics of Linux. Therefore it would not be distro specific in any way if it can be avoided. Input of questions to be answered or topics to deal with would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 09/04/01 15:15 + ++ Documentation is the castor oil of programming ... Managers know it must be good because the programmers hate it so much. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
