Re: XFree86

2002-02-10 Thread Michael Scottaline

On Sat, 9 Feb 2002 20:24:12 -0800 (PST)
Net Llama [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled informatively:


Truth be told, i haven't seen any real performance or feature benefit
going from 4.1.0 to 4.2.0 on that 1 box.  I will note that i did see a
significant improvement going from 3.3.6 to 4.1.0 on my Caldera box and
my redhat box.
===
I think the advertised benefit going from 4.1 - 4.2 is not so much
improved performance, but better syupport for some older video cards that
haven't been supported since 3.3.6.

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Re: xfce panel [ WAS Re: XFree86]

2002-02-10 Thread Rick Sivernell

On Sat, 9 Feb 2002 22:27:26 -0800 (PST)
Net Llama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I don't know that its possible to natively hide the xfce panel.  You can
 minimize it though, but i'm not sure that's what you had in mind.
 
 --- Rick Sivernell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Lonnie
  
 Been running xfce for a couple of weeks now, kde2 what is that M$
  stuff
  g. Tjhere is one thing I would like in xfce and that is the panel
  would hide
  till you needed it.  May wait a while on x 4.2 then not a whole lot of
  upgrading 
  really on the beta box except the kernel.
 
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 did not realize that, just tried that and that is good enough. slap slap g

thanks  cheers

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Re: xfce panel [ WAS Re: XFree86]

2002-02-10 Thread Collins

On Sun, 10 Feb 2002 07:55:56 -0600 Rick Sivernell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: On Sat, 9 Feb 2002 22:27:26 -0800 (PST)
 Net Llama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I don't know that its possible to natively hide the xfce panel.  You
can  minimize it though, but i'm not sure that's what you had in mind.
  
  --- Rick Sivernell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Lonnie
   
  Been running xfce for a couple of weeks now, kde2 what is that
M$   stuff
   g. Tjhere is one thing I would like in xfce and that is the
panel   would hide
   till you needed it.  May wait a while on x 4.2 then not a whole
lot of   upgrading 
   really on the beta box except the kernel.
  
  =
  
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 Lonnie
 
  did not realize that, just tried that and that is good enough. slap
slap g 
 thanks  cheers

You can also set the display level (xfce settings) of the panel such
that it is overlaid by anything else on the desktop.  Then you only get
to see it if you ALT-TAB into it.-- 
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Re: XFree86

2002-02-09 Thread Net Llama

--- Rick Sivernell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Lonnie
 
 Were you the one putting Xfree86 4.2 on a system. If so are 
 there any gotchas? I am running a ew 3.1 * 3.1.1 beta, thinking of 
 updating something to the latest safe level. Already have the latest 
 samba 2.2.x. Will later add the 1.2.17 kernel after I finish my 
 software course at UNT.

Yes, i was one of several that built  installed XFree86-4.2.0.  I was
also the one that had the very odd problem where gdm refused to start
going into runlevel 5.  This was in a RedHat based system, not Caldera,
BTW.  I haven't yet gotten around to upgrading my Caldera box to 4.2.0
(i did build 4.1.0 on it several months back, and that went swimmingly).
 The actual build of 4.2.0 was quite easy though, i just followed the
SxS.

Truth be told, i haven't seen any real performance or feature benefit
going from 4.1.0 to 4.2.0 on that 1 box.  I will note that i did see a
significant improvement going from 3.3.6 to 4.1.0 on my Caldera box and
my redhat box.

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Re: XFree86

2002-02-09 Thread Rick Sivernell

Lonnie

   Been running xfce for a couple of weeks now, kde2 what is that M$ stuff
g. Tjhere is one thing I would like in xfce and that is the panel would hide
till you needed it.  May wait a while on x 4.2 then not a whole lot of upgrading 
really on the beta box except the kernel.

cheers

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xfce panel [ WAS Re: XFree86]

2002-02-09 Thread Net Llama

I don't know that its possible to natively hide the xfce panel.  You can
minimize it though, but i'm not sure that's what you had in mind.

--- Rick Sivernell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Lonnie
 
Been running xfce for a couple of weeks now, kde2 what is that M$
 stuff
 g. Tjhere is one thing I would like in xfce and that is the panel
 would hide
 till you needed it.  May wait a while on x 4.2 then not a whole lot of
 upgrading 
 really on the beta box except the kernel.

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Re: quick gotcha w/ xfree86 4.2.0 and ati cards

2002-01-24 Thread Ian

Douglas J Hunley wrote:
SNIP ... of .sig  
 USER, n.:
 The word computer professionals use when they mean idiot.

That's not very nice now is it?

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quick gotcha w/ xfree86 4.2.0 and ati cards

2002-01-24 Thread Douglas J Hunley

If you find that after upgrading to 4.2.0 your screen looks like it is 
shifted to the right and/or is too tall, you should try adding:
Option nocompositesync 
to the Device section of your XF86Config. Seems 4.2.0 changed the default 
value from False to True. It was changed back to False in CVS yesterday.
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Re: quick gotcha w/ xfree86 4.2.0 and ati cards

2002-01-24 Thread Jerry McBride

On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:45:00 -0500 Douglas J Hunley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If you find that after upgrading to 4.2.0 your screen looks like it is 
 shifted to the right and/or is too tall, you should try adding:
 Option nocompositesync 
 to the Device section of your XF86Config. Seems 4.2.0 changed the default 
 value from False to True. It was changed back to False in CVS yesterday.


Over here on a COMPAQ 1278, 1276 and maybe an old 1610.. I've had to add: option 
SWCursor yes to fix the offset mouse pointer problem. Where the pointer is 
offset from the click location by about 1/4 to 3/8. It's not needed in 4.1 or 4.02.
 
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Re: install of XFree86-4.2.0 not quite right

2002-01-21 Thread Tim Wunder

Net Llama wrote:
 Greetings,
 I built XFree86-4.2.0 from source this morning. I had been running
 XFree86-4.1.0 for several months.  THe build went swimmingly in about 45
 minutes.  
 However, something isn't quite right somewhere, and i can't figure out
 why at the moment.  If I attempt to switch to runlevel 5 from 3 X fails
 to start, and i got the ominous error on the console:
 id 'x' respawning too quickly, suspended for 5 minutes
 
 However, if i simply do a 'startx' at the console, X fires up without a
 single problem for any user (root  others).  In fact, i'm typing this
 in Mozilla on the afflicted box right now.
 
 So, my best guess is that something wacky is going on with gdm.  BTW,
 this is box is running a very heavily altered version of Redhat.  
 
 To add a few more data points, I looked in /var/log/XFree86.0.log and
 there were no errors at all.  I looked at /var/log/messages, and there
 are no clues either.
 
 
 Anyone have any ideas on where I can poke around?
 

XF86Config-4 or XF86Config
Could it be a font problem?

Tim

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Re: install of XFree86-4.2.0 not quite right

2002-01-21 Thread Rick Sivernell

Had this too. found I had a typo in the /etc/profile file.

ALSO ONCE THE MONITOR SETUP IN THE
 /ETC/ZX11/XFCONFIG-4 FILE

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Re: install of XFree86-4.2.0 not quite right

2002-01-21 Thread Net Llama

--- Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Net Llama wrote:
  Greetings,
  I built XFree86-4.2.0 from source this morning. I had been running
  XFree86-4.1.0 for several months.  THe build went swimmingly in
 about 45
  minutes.  
  However, something isn't quite right somewhere, and i can't figure
 out
  why at the moment.  If I attempt to switch to runlevel 5 from 3 X
 fails
  to start, and i got the ominous error on the console:
  id 'x' respawning too quickly, suspended for 5 minutes
  
  However, if i simply do a 'startx' at the console, X fires up
 without a
  single problem for any user (root  others).  In fact, i'm typing
 this
  in Mozilla on the afflicted box right now.
  
  So, my best guess is that something wacky is going on with gdm. 
 BTW,
  this is box is running a very heavily altered version of Redhat.  
  
  To add a few more data points, I looked in /var/log/XFree86.0.log
 and
  there were no errors at all.  I looked at /var/log/messages, and
 there
  are no clues either.
  
  
  Anyone have any ideas on where I can poke around?
  
 
 XF86Config-4 or XF86Config

This isn't a Caldera box, its Redhat, and I installed XFree86-4.1.0 from
source as well.  

 Could it be a font problem?

Doubtful.  Like i said, X fires up and runs just fine with 'startx'.  It
just bombs when trying to run gdm as it goes to runlevel 5.

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Re: install of XFree86-4.2.0 not quite right

2002-01-21 Thread Net Llama


--- Rick Sivernell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Had this too. found I had a typo in the /etc/profile file.

A typo that wouldn't effect XFree86-4.1.0, but XFree86-4.2.0?   Also, i
haven't touched /etc/profile since 2/16/00.

 ALSO ONCE THE MONITOR SETUP IN THE
  /ETC/ZX11/XFCONFIG-4 FILE

This isn't a Caldera box, is no /etc/X11/XFConfig-4 file (and there
never was).  This is a 100% pure, from source XFree86-4.x install.

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Re: XFree86-4.2.0 released!

2002-01-21 Thread Jerry McBride

On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:35:52 -0500 Douglas J Hunley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Net Llama babbled on about:
  http://www.xfree86.org/cvs/changes_4_2.html
  ftp://ftp.xfree86.org/pub/XFree86/4.2.0/
 
  Its out.  Anyone yet attempted to build/install the massive download yet
  (either binary or source)?
 
 I'll be installing from source and taking notes on Tues
 


I'll be most interested in seeing your notes... :')

I've been running 4.20 for most of the day of two laptops and one desktop. 
The bottom line is... no big performance boost over 4.02 or 4.10... Just more drivers.

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Re: install of XFree86-4.2.0 not quite right

2002-01-21 Thread Tim Wunder

Previously, Net Llama chose to write:
 --- Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Net Llama wrote:
   Greetings,
   I built XFree86-4.2.0 from source this morning. I had been running
   XFree86-4.1.0 for several months.  THe build went swimmingly in
 
  about 45
 
   minutes.
   However, something isn't quite right somewhere, and i can't figure
 
  out
 
   why at the moment.  If I attempt to switch to runlevel 5 from 3 X
 
  fails
 
   to start, and i got the ominous error on the console:
   id 'x' respawning too quickly, suspended for 5 minutes
  
   However, if i simply do a 'startx' at the console, X fires up
 
  without a
 
   single problem for any user (root  others).  In fact, i'm typing
 
  this
 
   in Mozilla on the afflicted box right now.
  
   So, my best guess is that something wacky is going on with gdm.
 
  BTW,
 
   this is box is running a very heavily altered version of Redhat.
  
   To add a few more data points, I looked in /var/log/XFree86.0.log
 
  and
 
   there were no errors at all.  I looked at /var/log/messages, and
 
  there
 
   are no clues either.
  
  
   Anyone have any ideas on where I can poke around?
 
  XF86Config-4 or XF86Config

 This isn't a Caldera box, its Redhat, and I installed XFree86-4.1.0 from
 source as well.

  Could it be a font problem?

 Doubtful.  Like i said, X fires up and runs just fine with 'startx'.  It
 just bombs when trying to run gdm as it goes to runlevel 5.



Can you try xdm or maybe update gdm? Maybe something's wrong with gdm (as I 
grasp for another straw...)

Is there anything wierd in you gdmrc file (if it exists -- I use kdm and it 
has a kdmrc file)?

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Re: install of XFree86-4.2.0 not quite right

2002-01-21 Thread Net Llama

All of the files in /etc/X11/gdm (including gdmrc) have not been changed
in nearly a year.  I just wish I had more of an error to go on than just
that stupid respawning one. 

--- Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Can you try xdm or maybe update gdm? Maybe something's wrong with gdm
 (as I 
 grasp for another straw...)
 
 Is there anything wierd in you gdmrc file (if it exists -- I use kdm
 and it 
 has a kdmrc file)?

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Re: install of XFree86-4.2.0 not quite right

2002-01-21 Thread Tim Wunder

I was thinking that your .xsession-errors file might contain a clue, but that 
doesn't come into play until you log in, I think...

It IS possible that there's something specific to gdm and X 4.2.0 that's 
causing the problem. Because a file hasn't changed doesn't mean that 
something within it can't cause a problem with a new program.

When you issue startx from the command line, nothing in gdm affects X and it 
works for you. Entering runlevel 5 and using gdm causes you a problem. It 
seems logical that the problem is within gdm.

I rather doubted fonts and the config file (unless whatever command invokes 
gdm specifies a config file that has a problem within it), but threw them out 
as potential problem areas. The key here is that startx works fine, gdm 
doesn't. It might be worth trying another GUI login manager to see if the 
problem persists. If it does, you're back to square one.

Previously, Net Llama chose to write:
 All of the files in /etc/X11/gdm (including gdmrc) have not been changed
 in nearly a year.  I just wish I had more of an error to go on than just
 that stupid respawning one.

 --- Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Can you try xdm or maybe update gdm? Maybe something's wrong with gdm
  (as I
  grasp for another straw...)
 
  Is there anything wierd in you gdmrc file (if it exists -- I use kdm
  and it
  has a kdmrc file)?

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Re: install of XFree86-4.2.0 not quite right

2002-01-21 Thread Net Llama


--- Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I was thinking that your .xsession-errors file might contain a clue,
 but that 
 doesn't come into play until you log in, I think...

Correct.

 It IS possible that there's something specific to gdm and X 4.2.0
 that's 
 causing the problem. Because a file hasn't changed doesn't mean that 
 something within it can't cause a problem with a new program.

Yea, i agree.  Unfortunately, since 4.2.0 has only been out a couple
days, i doubt i'll find much info right now.  I was hoping that someone
else on the list might have had success with it  gdm.

 When you issue startx from the command line, nothing in gdm affects X
 and it 
 works for you. Entering runlevel 5 and using gdm causes you a problem.
 It 
 seems logical that the problem is within gdm.

Ayup.

 I rather doubted fonts and the config file (unless whatever command
 invokes 
 gdm specifies a config file that has a problem within it), but threw
 them out 
 as potential problem areas. The key here is that startx works fine,
 gdm 
 doesn't. It might be worth trying another GUI login manager to see if
 the 
 problem persists. If it does, you're back to square one.

Yea, i guess i can switch to kdm or xdm.  I'll give that a try tomorrow.
Time to go home.

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Re: XFree86-4.2.0 released!

2002-01-20 Thread Keith Antoine

On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 16:01,Net Llama scribed:
 http://www.xfree86.org/cvs/changes_4_2.html
 ftp://ftp.xfree86.org/pub/XFree86/4.2.0/

 Its out.  Anyone yet attempted to build/install the massive download yet
 (either binary or source)?

In the process of doing so..

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Re: XFree86-4.2.0 released!

2002-01-20 Thread Keith Antoine

On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 16:01,Net Llama scribed:
 http://www.xfree86.org/cvs/changes_4_2.html
 ftp://ftp.xfree86.org/pub/XFree86/4.2.0/

 Its out.  Anyone yet attempted to build/install the massive download yet
 (either binary or source)?

Well I can tell most of you that the downloads from Xfree86 of 4.2.0 in 
binaries are not suitable for  Linux ix86 glibc-2.2. There are only common 
and Free bsd bins available. I am not going to even contemplate compiling the 
humungeous files for Suse. I'll let them do that, probably will not take them 
long.

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Re: OpenGL and XFree86

2002-01-20 Thread Douglas J Hunley

stayler babbled on about:
 Maybe what I need is the MesaLibs?  Are the GL Libs or Mesa Libs a
 separate package?

Mesa has a set of GL libs... however, you might be needing GLUT. Which is 
something else. Check out www.mesa.org for details of what mesa is and isn't
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Life would be so much easier if we could just look at the source code.
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Re: XFree86-4.2.0 released!

2002-01-20 Thread Douglas J Hunley

Net Llama babbled on about:
 http://www.xfree86.org/cvs/changes_4_2.html
 ftp://ftp.xfree86.org/pub/XFree86/4.2.0/

 Its out.  Anyone yet attempted to build/install the massive download yet
 (either binary or source)?

I'll be installing from source and taking notes on Tues
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Re: XFree86-4.2.0 released!

2002-01-20 Thread Net Llama


--- Douglas J Hunley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Net Llama babbled on about:
  http://www.xfree86.org/cvs/changes_4_2.html
  ftp://ftp.xfree86.org/pub/XFree86/4.2.0/
 
  Its out.  Anyone yet attempted to build/install the massive download
 yet
  (either binary or source)?
 
 I'll be installing from source and taking notes on Tues

Depending on how busy I am at work on Monday, I might give it a whirl
(from source).

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Re: OpenGL and XFree86

2002-01-20 Thread stayler

On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:28:33 -0500, Douglas J Hunley wrote:

 separate package?

Mesa has a set of GL libs... however, you might be needing GLUT. Which is 
something else. Check out www.mesa.org for details of what mesa is and isn't
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Thanks Doug, I'll do that

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XFree86-4.2.0 released!

2002-01-19 Thread Net Llama

http://www.xfree86.org/cvs/changes_4_2.html
ftp://ftp.xfree86.org/pub/XFree86/4.2.0/

Its out.  Anyone yet attempted to build/install the massive download yet
(either binary or source)?  

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Re: OpenGL and XFree86

2002-01-19 Thread stayler

On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 23:45:31 -0500, Douglas J Hunley wrote:

the most recents xfree86's come with Mesa (an OpenGL clone). it should just 
work

Thanks Doug.

Maybe what I need is the MesaLibs?  Are the GL Libs or Mesa Libs a
separate package?

stayler

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Re: XFree86 4.1.0 unresolved symbols - crash

2001-08-21 Thread Net Llama

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 21 Aug 2001, at 9:07, Net Llama wrote:
 
  --- Shawn Tayler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   On Mon, 20 Aug 2001 11:01:02 -0700 (PDT), Net Llama wrote:
 
   Is there enough of an improvement to go from 2.4.2 to
   2.4.9?
  
  YES.  I'd say, hands down, the biggest is no more ext2
  filesystem corruption.  2.4.2  earlier kernels had a very
  nasty gradual FS corruption bug, where you'd eventually end
  up with ext2 soup.  And then there are lots of other fixes
  for other random things.  Running 2.4.2 is like running
  2.2.2.  Why?
 
 Not entirely tangential to this question is the Reiser FS 
 which I (the newbie) have heard makes a safe 
 (nondestructive?) FS.  Would it be a better alternative?

ReiserFS is not a kernel, its a filesystem.  Its an alternative to ext2.
 Personally, i don't like it.  Its design is very near sited, based
around the belief that all files are small.  ReiserFS performance is
horrific once you start playing with large files (upwards of 100MB in
size).  But in fact, its performance starts to croak even below 100MB.

I use  strongly recommend XFS, the journaling FS from SGI.  I use it on
one of my boxes, and its performed very well.  Additionally, it
outshines every other filesystem in existence on large files (2GB and
up). 

But, the choice is really yours in the end.  ReiserFS is getting more
widespread attention right now.  XFS is certainly far better suited to
the corporate environment where datbases in the 1TB range are common.  

Instructions for getting either ReiserFS or XFS (and ext3 as well) can
be found at the Step-by-step website (in my sig).  I wrote the XFS SxS.

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