Re: XFree86
On Sat, 9 Feb 2002 20:24:12 -0800 (PST) Net Llama [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled informatively: Truth be told, i haven't seen any real performance or feature benefit going from 4.1.0 to 4.2.0 on that 1 box. I will note that i did see a significant improvement going from 3.3.6 to 4.1.0 on my Caldera box and my redhat box. === I think the advertised benefit going from 4.1 - 4.2 is not so much improved performance, but better syupport for some older video cards that haven't been supported since 3.3.6. Mike -- Laws for the liberal education of youth, especially for the lower classes of people, are so extremely wise and useful that to a humane and generous mind, no expense for this purpose would be thought extravagant. --John Adams ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: xfce panel [ WAS Re: XFree86]
On Sat, 9 Feb 2002 22:27:26 -0800 (PST) Net Llama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know that its possible to natively hide the xfce panel. You can minimize it though, but i'm not sure that's what you had in mind. --- Rick Sivernell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lonnie Been running xfce for a couple of weeks now, kde2 what is that M$ stuff g. Tjhere is one thing I would like in xfce and that is the panel would hide till you needed it. May wait a while on x 4.2 then not a whole lot of upgrading really on the beta box except the kernel. = Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step help: http://netllama.ipfox.com . Lonnie did not realize that, just tried that and that is good enough. slap slap g thanks cheers -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Caldera Open Linux eWorkStation 3.1 Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: xfce panel [ WAS Re: XFree86]
On Sun, 10 Feb 2002 07:55:56 -0600 Rick Sivernell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 9 Feb 2002 22:27:26 -0800 (PST) Net Llama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know that its possible to natively hide the xfce panel. You can minimize it though, but i'm not sure that's what you had in mind. --- Rick Sivernell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lonnie Been running xfce for a couple of weeks now, kde2 what is that M$ stuff g. Tjhere is one thing I would like in xfce and that is the panel would hide till you needed it. May wait a while on x 4.2 then not a whole lot of upgrading really on the beta box except the kernel. = Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step help: http://netllama.ipfox.com . Lonnie did not realize that, just tried that and that is good enough. slap slap g thanks cheers You can also set the display level (xfce settings) of the panel such that it is overlaid by anything else on the desktop. Then you only get to see it if you ALT-TAB into it.-- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX rc1 with xfce and sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: XFree86
--- Rick Sivernell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lonnie Were you the one putting Xfree86 4.2 on a system. If so are there any gotchas? I am running a ew 3.1 * 3.1.1 beta, thinking of updating something to the latest safe level. Already have the latest samba 2.2.x. Will later add the 1.2.17 kernel after I finish my software course at UNT. Yes, i was one of several that built installed XFree86-4.2.0. I was also the one that had the very odd problem where gdm refused to start going into runlevel 5. This was in a RedHat based system, not Caldera, BTW. I haven't yet gotten around to upgrading my Caldera box to 4.2.0 (i did build 4.1.0 on it several months back, and that went swimmingly). The actual build of 4.2.0 was quite easy though, i just followed the SxS. Truth be told, i haven't seen any real performance or feature benefit going from 4.1.0 to 4.2.0 on that 1 box. I will note that i did see a significant improvement going from 3.3.6 to 4.1.0 on my Caldera box and my redhat box. = Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step help: http://netllama.ipfox.com . __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: XFree86
Lonnie Been running xfce for a couple of weeks now, kde2 what is that M$ stuff g. Tjhere is one thing I would like in xfce and that is the panel would hide till you needed it. May wait a while on x 4.2 then not a whole lot of upgrading really on the beta box except the kernel. cheers Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Caldera Open Linux eWorkStation 3.1 Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
xfce panel [ WAS Re: XFree86]
I don't know that its possible to natively hide the xfce panel. You can minimize it though, but i'm not sure that's what you had in mind. --- Rick Sivernell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lonnie Been running xfce for a couple of weeks now, kde2 what is that M$ stuff g. Tjhere is one thing I would like in xfce and that is the panel would hide till you needed it. May wait a while on x 4.2 then not a whole lot of upgrading really on the beta box except the kernel. = Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step help: http://netllama.ipfox.com . __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: quick gotcha w/ xfree86 4.2.0 and ati cards
Douglas J Hunley wrote: SNIP ... of .sig USER, n.: The word computer professionals use when they mean idiot. That's not very nice now is it? G! -- Linux SxS [http://sxs.webhop.net/] ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
quick gotcha w/ xfree86 4.2.0 and ati cards
If you find that after upgrading to 4.2.0 your screen looks like it is shifted to the right and/or is too tall, you should try adding: Option nocompositesync to the Device section of your XF86Config. Seems 4.2.0 changed the default value from False to True. It was changed back to False in CVS yesterday. -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 Admin: Linux StepByStep - http://linux.nf USER, n.: The word computer professionals use when they mean idiot. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: quick gotcha w/ xfree86 4.2.0 and ati cards
On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:45:00 -0500 Douglas J Hunley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you find that after upgrading to 4.2.0 your screen looks like it is shifted to the right and/or is too tall, you should try adding: Option nocompositesync to the Device section of your XF86Config. Seems 4.2.0 changed the default value from False to True. It was changed back to False in CVS yesterday. Over here on a COMPAQ 1278, 1276 and maybe an old 1610.. I've had to add: option SWCursor yes to fix the offset mouse pointer problem. Where the pointer is offset from the click location by about 1/4 to 3/8. It's not needed in 4.1 or 4.02. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: install of XFree86-4.2.0 not quite right
Net Llama wrote: Greetings, I built XFree86-4.2.0 from source this morning. I had been running XFree86-4.1.0 for several months. THe build went swimmingly in about 45 minutes. However, something isn't quite right somewhere, and i can't figure out why at the moment. If I attempt to switch to runlevel 5 from 3 X fails to start, and i got the ominous error on the console: id 'x' respawning too quickly, suspended for 5 minutes However, if i simply do a 'startx' at the console, X fires up without a single problem for any user (root others). In fact, i'm typing this in Mozilla on the afflicted box right now. So, my best guess is that something wacky is going on with gdm. BTW, this is box is running a very heavily altered version of Redhat. To add a few more data points, I looked in /var/log/XFree86.0.log and there were no errors at all. I looked at /var/log/messages, and there are no clues either. Anyone have any ideas on where I can poke around? XF86Config-4 or XF86Config Could it be a font problem? Tim ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: install of XFree86-4.2.0 not quite right
Had this too. found I had a typo in the /etc/profile file. ALSO ONCE THE MONITOR SETUP IN THE /ETC/ZX11/XFCONFIG-4 FILE cheers -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Caldera Open Linux eWorkStation 3.1 Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: install of XFree86-4.2.0 not quite right
--- Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Net Llama wrote: Greetings, I built XFree86-4.2.0 from source this morning. I had been running XFree86-4.1.0 for several months. THe build went swimmingly in about 45 minutes. However, something isn't quite right somewhere, and i can't figure out why at the moment. If I attempt to switch to runlevel 5 from 3 X fails to start, and i got the ominous error on the console: id 'x' respawning too quickly, suspended for 5 minutes However, if i simply do a 'startx' at the console, X fires up without a single problem for any user (root others). In fact, i'm typing this in Mozilla on the afflicted box right now. So, my best guess is that something wacky is going on with gdm. BTW, this is box is running a very heavily altered version of Redhat. To add a few more data points, I looked in /var/log/XFree86.0.log and there were no errors at all. I looked at /var/log/messages, and there are no clues either. Anyone have any ideas on where I can poke around? XF86Config-4 or XF86Config This isn't a Caldera box, its Redhat, and I installed XFree86-4.1.0 from source as well. Could it be a font problem? Doubtful. Like i said, X fires up and runs just fine with 'startx'. It just bombs when trying to run gdm as it goes to runlevel 5. = Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step help: http://netllama.ipfox.com . __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: install of XFree86-4.2.0 not quite right
--- Rick Sivernell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Had this too. found I had a typo in the /etc/profile file. A typo that wouldn't effect XFree86-4.1.0, but XFree86-4.2.0? Also, i haven't touched /etc/profile since 2/16/00. ALSO ONCE THE MONITOR SETUP IN THE /ETC/ZX11/XFCONFIG-4 FILE This isn't a Caldera box, is no /etc/X11/XFConfig-4 file (and there never was). This is a 100% pure, from source XFree86-4.x install. = Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step help: http://netllama.ipfox.com . __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: XFree86-4.2.0 released!
On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:35:52 -0500 Douglas J Hunley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Net Llama babbled on about: http://www.xfree86.org/cvs/changes_4_2.html ftp://ftp.xfree86.org/pub/XFree86/4.2.0/ Its out. Anyone yet attempted to build/install the massive download yet (either binary or source)? I'll be installing from source and taking notes on Tues I'll be most interested in seeing your notes... :') I've been running 4.20 for most of the day of two laptops and one desktop. The bottom line is... no big performance boost over 4.02 or 4.10... Just more drivers. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: install of XFree86-4.2.0 not quite right
Previously, Net Llama chose to write: --- Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Net Llama wrote: Greetings, I built XFree86-4.2.0 from source this morning. I had been running XFree86-4.1.0 for several months. THe build went swimmingly in about 45 minutes. However, something isn't quite right somewhere, and i can't figure out why at the moment. If I attempt to switch to runlevel 5 from 3 X fails to start, and i got the ominous error on the console: id 'x' respawning too quickly, suspended for 5 minutes However, if i simply do a 'startx' at the console, X fires up without a single problem for any user (root others). In fact, i'm typing this in Mozilla on the afflicted box right now. So, my best guess is that something wacky is going on with gdm. BTW, this is box is running a very heavily altered version of Redhat. To add a few more data points, I looked in /var/log/XFree86.0.log and there were no errors at all. I looked at /var/log/messages, and there are no clues either. Anyone have any ideas on where I can poke around? XF86Config-4 or XF86Config This isn't a Caldera box, its Redhat, and I installed XFree86-4.1.0 from source as well. Could it be a font problem? Doubtful. Like i said, X fires up and runs just fine with 'startx'. It just bombs when trying to run gdm as it goes to runlevel 5. Can you try xdm or maybe update gdm? Maybe something's wrong with gdm (as I grasp for another straw...) Is there anything wierd in you gdmrc file (if it exists -- I use kdm and it has a kdmrc file)? -- Caldera eWorkstation 3.1, kernel 2.4.9, KDE 2.2.1, Xfree86 4.1.0 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: install of XFree86-4.2.0 not quite right
All of the files in /etc/X11/gdm (including gdmrc) have not been changed in nearly a year. I just wish I had more of an error to go on than just that stupid respawning one. --- Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you try xdm or maybe update gdm? Maybe something's wrong with gdm (as I grasp for another straw...) Is there anything wierd in you gdmrc file (if it exists -- I use kdm and it has a kdmrc file)? = Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step help: http://netllama.ipfox.com . __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: install of XFree86-4.2.0 not quite right
I was thinking that your .xsession-errors file might contain a clue, but that doesn't come into play until you log in, I think... It IS possible that there's something specific to gdm and X 4.2.0 that's causing the problem. Because a file hasn't changed doesn't mean that something within it can't cause a problem with a new program. When you issue startx from the command line, nothing in gdm affects X and it works for you. Entering runlevel 5 and using gdm causes you a problem. It seems logical that the problem is within gdm. I rather doubted fonts and the config file (unless whatever command invokes gdm specifies a config file that has a problem within it), but threw them out as potential problem areas. The key here is that startx works fine, gdm doesn't. It might be worth trying another GUI login manager to see if the problem persists. If it does, you're back to square one. Previously, Net Llama chose to write: All of the files in /etc/X11/gdm (including gdmrc) have not been changed in nearly a year. I just wish I had more of an error to go on than just that stupid respawning one. --- Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you try xdm or maybe update gdm? Maybe something's wrong with gdm (as I grasp for another straw...) Is there anything wierd in you gdmrc file (if it exists -- I use kdm and it has a kdmrc file)? = Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step help: http://netllama.ipfox.com . __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. -- Caldera eWorkstation 3.1, kernel 2.4.9, KDE 2.2.1, Xfree86 4.1.0 ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: install of XFree86-4.2.0 not quite right
--- Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was thinking that your .xsession-errors file might contain a clue, but that doesn't come into play until you log in, I think... Correct. It IS possible that there's something specific to gdm and X 4.2.0 that's causing the problem. Because a file hasn't changed doesn't mean that something within it can't cause a problem with a new program. Yea, i agree. Unfortunately, since 4.2.0 has only been out a couple days, i doubt i'll find much info right now. I was hoping that someone else on the list might have had success with it gdm. When you issue startx from the command line, nothing in gdm affects X and it works for you. Entering runlevel 5 and using gdm causes you a problem. It seems logical that the problem is within gdm. Ayup. I rather doubted fonts and the config file (unless whatever command invokes gdm specifies a config file that has a problem within it), but threw them out as potential problem areas. The key here is that startx works fine, gdm doesn't. It might be worth trying another GUI login manager to see if the problem persists. If it does, you're back to square one. Yea, i guess i can switch to kdm or xdm. I'll give that a try tomorrow. Time to go home. = Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step help: http://netllama.ipfox.com . __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: XFree86-4.2.0 released!
On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 16:01,Net Llama scribed: http://www.xfree86.org/cvs/changes_4_2.html ftp://ftp.xfree86.org/pub/XFree86/4.2.0/ Its out. Anyone yet attempted to build/install the massive download yet (either binary or source)? In the process of doing so.. -- Keith Antoine aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: XFree86-4.2.0 released!
On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 16:01,Net Llama scribed: http://www.xfree86.org/cvs/changes_4_2.html ftp://ftp.xfree86.org/pub/XFree86/4.2.0/ Its out. Anyone yet attempted to build/install the massive download yet (either binary or source)? Well I can tell most of you that the downloads from Xfree86 of 4.2.0 in binaries are not suitable for Linux ix86 glibc-2.2. There are only common and Free bsd bins available. I am not going to even contemplate compiling the humungeous files for Suse. I'll let them do that, probably will not take them long. -- Keith Antoine aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OpenGL and XFree86
stayler babbled on about: Maybe what I need is the MesaLibs? Are the GL Libs or Mesa Libs a separate package? Mesa has a set of GL libs... however, you might be needing GLUT. Which is something else. Check out www.mesa.org for details of what mesa is and isn't -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 Admin: Linux StepByStep - http://linux.nf Life would be so much easier if we could just look at the source code. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: XFree86-4.2.0 released!
Net Llama babbled on about: http://www.xfree86.org/cvs/changes_4_2.html ftp://ftp.xfree86.org/pub/XFree86/4.2.0/ Its out. Anyone yet attempted to build/install the massive download yet (either binary or source)? I'll be installing from source and taking notes on Tues -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 Admin: Linux StepByStep - http://linux.nf /* * Should be panic but... (Why are BSD people panic obsessed ??) */ 2.0.38 /usr/src/linux/net/ipv4/ip_fw.c ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: XFree86-4.2.0 released!
--- Douglas J Hunley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Net Llama babbled on about: http://www.xfree86.org/cvs/changes_4_2.html ftp://ftp.xfree86.org/pub/XFree86/4.2.0/ Its out. Anyone yet attempted to build/install the massive download yet (either binary or source)? I'll be installing from source and taking notes on Tues Depending on how busy I am at work on Monday, I might give it a whirl (from source). = Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step help: http://netllama.ipfox.com . __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OpenGL and XFree86
On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:28:33 -0500, Douglas J Hunley wrote: separate package? Mesa has a set of GL libs... however, you might be needing GLUT. Which is something else. Check out www.mesa.org for details of what mesa is and isn't -- Thanks Doug, I'll do that ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
XFree86-4.2.0 released!
http://www.xfree86.org/cvs/changes_4_2.html ftp://ftp.xfree86.org/pub/XFree86/4.2.0/ Its out. Anyone yet attempted to build/install the massive download yet (either binary or source)? = Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step help: http://netllama.ipfox.com . __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OpenGL and XFree86
On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 23:45:31 -0500, Douglas J Hunley wrote: the most recents xfree86's come with Mesa (an OpenGL clone). it should just work Thanks Doug. Maybe what I need is the MesaLibs? Are the GL Libs or Mesa Libs a separate package? stayler ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: XFree86 4.1.0 unresolved symbols - crash
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 21 Aug 2001, at 9:07, Net Llama wrote: --- Shawn Tayler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 20 Aug 2001 11:01:02 -0700 (PDT), Net Llama wrote: Is there enough of an improvement to go from 2.4.2 to 2.4.9? YES. I'd say, hands down, the biggest is no more ext2 filesystem corruption. 2.4.2 earlier kernels had a very nasty gradual FS corruption bug, where you'd eventually end up with ext2 soup. And then there are lots of other fixes for other random things. Running 2.4.2 is like running 2.2.2. Why? Not entirely tangential to this question is the Reiser FS which I (the newbie) have heard makes a safe (nondestructive?) FS. Would it be a better alternative? ReiserFS is not a kernel, its a filesystem. Its an alternative to ext2. Personally, i don't like it. Its design is very near sited, based around the belief that all files are small. ReiserFS performance is horrific once you start playing with large files (upwards of 100MB in size). But in fact, its performance starts to croak even below 100MB. I use strongly recommend XFS, the journaling FS from SGI. I use it on one of my boxes, and its performed very well. Additionally, it outshines every other filesystem in existence on large files (2GB and up). But, the choice is really yours in the end. ReiserFS is getting more widespread attention right now. XFS is certainly far better suited to the corporate environment where datbases in the 1TB range are common. Instructions for getting either ReiserFS or XFS (and ext3 as well) can be found at the Step-by-step website (in my sig). I wrote the XFS SxS. = Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux FAQ Step-by-step help:http://netllama.ipfox.com . __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users