Re: kppp on valium

2001-07-11 Thread Tony Alfrey

OK, I read it and I'm stupid.  Please humor me: the fog up here has 
diffused into my brain.   It says:

The above scripts are written to create minimal blurb. If you need to 
look at /var/log/ppp (mentioned right at the beginning of this SxS) you 
can enhance the messages adding options to the scripts as follows  

chat add the option -v (or -s) 
pppd add the option debug (or kdebug=2)   

1.  I looked at the beginning of the SxS and I did this:

Edit /etc/syslog.conf and place somewhere near the top: 
daemon.*/var/log/ppp   # use TAB *not* spaces  
/etc/rc.d/init.d/syslog reload 

but nothing happened after reboot, activate ppp, look for messages in 
/var/log/ppp.

2.  I have no file /var/log/ppp.  I suppose I need to create it or let 
a script create it?
2.  Into which of the scripts in /etc/ppp do I add the debug option?


On Tuesday 10 July 2001 09:02 pm, Net Llama wrote:
 http://sxs.sourceforge.net/sxs/pppclient.htm
 Addenda #1

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  I don't really know what this means: I assume it means making pppd
  give me a list, or log, of messages.  I looked on SxS for this but
  nothing struck a chord.  Can you tell me what heading I pick in the
  index?
 
  On Saturday 07 July 2001 11:06 pm, Net Llama wrote:
   You might want to setup separate logging for pppd to see exactly
   what its doing.  The SxS covers how to do this.

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Re: kppp on valium

2001-07-11 Thread Bruce Marshall

On Wednesday 11 July 2001 08:56, Tony Alfrey wrote:
 OK, I read it and I'm stupid.  Please humor me: the fog up here has
 diffused into my brain.   It says:

 The above scripts are written to create minimal blurb. If you need to
 look at /var/log/ppp (mentioned right at the beginning of this SxS) you
 can enhance the messages adding options to the scripts as follows 

 chat add the option -v (or -s)
 pppd add the option debug (or kdebug=2)   

 1.  I looked at the beginniing but nothing happened after reboot, activate 
ppp, look for messages in
 /var/log/ppp.

 2.  I have no file /var/log/ppp.  I suppose I need to create it or let
 a script create it?
 2.  Into which of the scripts in /etc/ppp do I add the debug option?


I run pppd  (never have used kppp) but when I want to debug, I place the 
debug option into my file(s) in  /etc/ppp/peers  where all of the option 
files for pppd are kept.   Try looking there.

An example peer file:


/dev/ttyS0#  Modem 
115200#  speed 
crtscts 
modem 
noauth 
noipdefault 
defaultroute 
user bmarsh 
connect 'chat -v -r /var/log/log.chat -f /etc/ppp/freeppp' 
persist
debug


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Re: kppp on valium

2001-07-11 Thread Tony Alfrey

On Wednesday 11 July 2001 09:11 am, Net Llama wrote:
snip

 Or perhaps add it to /etc/ppp/options ?


Still too stupid to understand this.  This line is in /etc/ppp/options

# Increase debugging level (same as -d). The debug output is written
# to syslog LOG_LOCAL2.
debug

. . . . . .but I haven't a clue as to where/what (I used 'locate' and 
'whereis') is syslog LOG_LOCAL2
I have /etc/init.d/syslog which is a script.

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Re: kppp on valium

2001-07-11 Thread Bruce Marshall

On Wednesday 11 July 2001 12:40, Tony Alfrey wrote:
 On Wednesday 11 July 2001 09:11 am, Net Llama wrote:
 snip

  Or perhaps add it to /etc/ppp/options ?

 Still too stupid to understand this.  This line is in /etc/ppp/options

 # Increase debugging level (same as -d). The debug output is written
 # to syslog LOG_LOCAL2.
 debug

 . . . . . .but I haven't a clue as to where/what (I used 'locate' and
 'whereis') is syslog LOG_LOCAL2
 I have /etc/init.d/syslog which is a script.

Do you have a /etc/syslog.conf  ??

If so, what does it say about 'daemon'  output.  should show where it is 
logged.


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Re: kppp on valium

2001-07-10 Thread Tony Alfrey

On Monday 09 July 2001 10:19 pm, Ronnie Gauthier wrote:
 Yes, reversed polarity can cause weird stuff sometimes. Even worse
 when added with noise caused by hasty remodeling/running lines with
 poorly done connections or taps.


I will check.  I'll go dust off the DVM and go out to the box on the 
wall.  I might have to ask Keith how to use the thing ;-)

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Re: kppp on valium

2001-07-09 Thread Mike Andrew

On Monday 09 July 2001 08:06, Richard Thompson wrote:

 ... have you used setserial to check whether or not your various distros
 have correctly initialized the serial port - with particular attention to
 the UART?


oooh, you are very right.

On a col distro, /etc/init.d/rc.serial is disabled and does nothing. Perhaps 
SuSe work this differently? (rc.serial incidentally is a throwback script to 
the old stallion and other multi uart cards we used to use, when the world 
was young and rosy)



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Re: kppp on valium

2001-07-09 Thread Richard Thompson

On Sunday 08 July 2001 22:33, you wrote:
 On Monday 09 July 2001 08:06, Richard Thompson wrote:
  ... have you used setserial to check whether or not your various
  distros have correctly initialized the serial port - with particular
  attention to the UART?

 oooh, you are very right.

 On a col distro, /etc/init.d/rc.serial is disabled and does nothing.
 Perhaps SuSe work this differently? (rc.serial incidentally is a throwback
 script to the old stallion and other multi uart cards we used to use, when
 the world was young and rosy)

Speaking of young and rosy - I still run a personal bbs off of an extra 
couple of serial ports on my server.  I use the setserial command from 
rc.local rather than rc.serial.  P.S.  If you want to recapture your youth I 
do have a PCB 4 Digiboard (complete with octopus) and a couple of RocketPort 
cards lying about grin.  Will tade for beer.

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Re: kppp on valium

2001-07-09 Thread Tony Alfrey

On Sunday 08 July 2001 11:33 pm, Mike Andrew wrote:
 On Monday 09 July 2001 08:06, Richard Thompson wrote:
  ... have you used setserial to check whether or not your various
  distros have correctly initialized the serial port - with
  particular attention to the UART?

 oooh, you are very right.

 On a col distro, /etc/init.d/rc.serial is disabled and does nothing.
 Perhaps SuSe work this differently? (rc.serial incidentally is a
 throwback script to the old stallion and other multi uart cards we
 used to use, when the world was young and rosy)

I gotta check this.  I have an /etc/rc.d/rc.serial  (no ~/init.d/~ ) 
that was commented out that I un-comment and let it autoconfigure the 
modem.  SuSE has a /etc/rc.d which is symlinked to /etc/init.d and in 
there is /serial, where I have un-commented the manual configuration 
line for port and IRQ to match the one I have in Caldera but..
OH S*%T!  I think I selected the wrong UART.  I know I have a 16550A 
in the Hayes modem and the script I un-commented is for a 16450.  
Hmm.

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Re: kppp on valium

2001-07-09 Thread Bruce Marshall

On Monday 09 July 2001 20:31, Tony Alfrey wrote:
 On Sunday 08 July 2001 09:17 am, Bruce Marshall wrote:
 snip


 Oh, well if it's a no-brainer issue, that will be a good match at this
 end.  So I will reset it to warp speed.
 BTW, I've been nuking everything that looks extraneous according to
 Mike Andrew suggestions and things are still slow.  I need to make
 absolutely sure that I am not looking at a Netscape issue and that it
 is slow for everything.

Do you have an external modem?   If so, the lights should give you some info 
as to how active the packet flow is  better than nothing



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Re: kppp on valium

2001-07-09 Thread Tony Alfrey

On Sunday 08 July 2001 01:36 pm, Richard Thompson wrote:
 Probably the reason this hasn't been suggested  thus far is that it
 has nothing to do with nothing, but (and someone please correct me
 quickly if I'm wrong ...

 ... have you used setserial to check whether or not your various
 distros have correctly initialized the serial port - with particular
 attention to the UART?


I'd better go back and check.  I think I might have the autoconfig 
option selected on one boot sequence and a manual option selected on 
another.

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Re: Modem Line Speeds, was Re: kppp on valium

2001-07-09 Thread Tony Alfrey

On Sunday 08 July 2001 09:37 am, Ronnie Gauthier wrote:
snip
 Modems can also be forced to not fallback, this is best used
 to force a redial to get a cleaner line, normally only a concern for
 those in rural areas where lines are usually poor. Some modems are
 better than others at handling line noise.

We are in a surprisingly rural area near a not-so-rural area (coastal 
mountains near sillycone valley) with notoriously bad phone lines.

 NOTE: Some 56K modems default to 26600 when they are unable to
 connect properly.

This seems to be what always happens on my COL 2.4 or windows box, 
which have two different 56K modems.


 Ronnie
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Re: kppp on valium

2001-07-09 Thread Tony Alfrey


 On Sunday 08 July 2001 11:33 pm, Mike Andrew wrote:
  On Monday 09 July 2001 08:06, Richard Thompson wrote:
   ... have you used setserial to check whether or not your
   various distros have correctly initialized the serial port - with
   particular attention to the UART?
 
  oooh, you are very right.
 
  On a col distro, /etc/init.d/rc.serial is disabled and does
  nothing. Perhaps SuSe work this differently? (rc.serial
  incidentally is a throwback script to the old stallion and other
  multi uart cards we used to use, when the world was young and rosy)



Well, this looks like it!  I had the right port and IRQ but the wrong 
UART selected in the manual configuration section of   
/etc/init.d/serial.  Things now seem to be ripping right along (as 
'ripping' as my modem ever seems to get).
Thanks to EVERYONE that gave suggestions; they were really great!  ALL 
of the suggestions gave me some useful info about how the thing works!
How much better could a users list possibly be??

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Re: Modem Line Speeds, was Re: kppp on valium

2001-07-09 Thread Net Llama


--- Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sunday 08 July 2001 09:37 am, Ronnie Gauthier wrote:
 snip
  Modems can also be forced to not fallback, this is best used
  to force a redial to get a cleaner line, normally only a concern for
  those in rural areas where lines are usually poor. Some modems are
  better than others at handling line noise.
 
 We are in a surprisingly rural area near a not-so-rural area (coastal 
 mountains near sillycone valley) with notoriously bad phone lines.

Out towards Half Moon Bay  Pacifica?

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Re: kppp on valium

2001-07-09 Thread Tony Alfrey

On Monday 09 July 2001 08:22 pm, Andrew Mathews wrote:
 Tony Alfrey wrote:
snip
  works! How much better could a users list possibly be??
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Re: kppp on valium

2001-07-09 Thread Ronnie Gauthier

Yes, reversed polarity can cause weird stuff sometimes. Even worse when
added with noise caused by hasty remodeling/running lines with poorly done
connections or taps.

Ronnie

 On Monday 09 July 2001 08:52 pm, Ronnie Gauthier wrote:
  Not to change the subject a bit but have you checked the polarity on
  your phone line?
 
  Ronnie
 snip

 You mean like, voltage with respect to ground?

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Re: Modem Line Speeds, was Re: kppp on valium

2001-07-08 Thread Tony Alfrey

On Sunday 08 July 2001 02:11 am, Mike Andrew wrote:
 On Sunday 08 July 2001 14:45, Tony Alfrey wrote:
  Both distros now set at 38K.  I'll try 57K, but they already act
  differently.

 You MUST set your line speed to one more than your connection
 speed. Period. How much 'more' is immaterial. If you fail to do so,
 you will never, and can *never* transmit or recieve at the
 'connection speed', only something slower.
snip of information re: compression, 8 vs 10 bits, etc)

Is the modem smart enough to know when the phone line is capable 
(bandwidth-wise) of supporting a high data rate?

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Re: kppp on valium

2001-07-08 Thread Bruce Marshall

On Sunday 08 July 2001 10:59, Tony Alfrey wrote:
 On Saturday 07 July 2001 09:04 pm, Bruce Marshall wrote:
  On Saturday 07 July 2001 23:15, Tony Alfrey wrote:
   Both distros now set at 38K.  I'll try 57K, but they already act
   differently.
  
   On Saturday 07 July 2001 09:23 am, Lee wrote:
On the kppp setup under devices set the moem speed for 57k
  
   snip
 
  Don't you really want to set them for 115200?   You're missing a lot
  of throughput if you don't.

 If my phone lines never allow a connection faster than 28K, why does
 setting at 115K improve the situation??  My impression is that the
 modem tests the capability of the phone lines to transmit clean data
 at high speed and, if that doesn't work, the modem kicks the baud rate
 to progressively slower speeds until the link is clean.  Is this
 correct?

Uhhh  here's why...

I assume you have a fairly recent modem that supports some of the compression 
algorithms.and I don't have the buzzwords handy.   I think v42.bis is 
one of them and I suppose the v.90 includes most of the algorithms.

Here's a look at one of my connection logs:

chat:  Jul 07 17:40:38 CONNECT 44000/ARQ/V90/LAPM/V42BIS   

Notice the mention of V42bis

(I may be getting my compression algorithms mixed up with error corr algs)

There are two speeds to be concerned with in using a modem:

1) The speed between your serial port and the modem,
2) The speed between one modem and the other  (over the phone line)

You can't do much about (2) other than make it less than the modem might 
want..   that is, you can't tell the modem to connect at a faster speed than 
either it or the line quality can handle.

So that leaves (1).  WHICH SHOULD BE SET TO THE HIGHEST VALUE POSSIBLE 
(mainly 115200 which is the max for most serial ports and really the max 
feasible rate with todays modems)

Reason:  If your modem is doing data compression, it can achieve rates of 80K 
actual throughput because of the compression.  I have seen 80k rates on a 
28.8 line for text type data.  (binary doesn't compress well)

So even though your modem/line may be running at 28.8, you can achieve much 
more throughput due to data compression by setting your serial port rate much 
higher.

And the big thing?It can't hurt regardless of compression or line 
quality.   

It's a no-brainer issue.   



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Re: kppp on valium

2001-07-07 Thread Mike Andrew

On Saturday 07 July 2001 16:47, Net Llama wrote:
 Start by comparingthe MTU.  run /sbin/ifconfig when dialed up.

No matter which way you cut it, (kppp, ksafer, xisp, ppp scripts) ALL of them 
ultimately refer to /etc/ppp/options for further things to do.

The _actual_ additional scripts (and config files) can be a rat's nest, 
depending on the phase of the moon, if it's wednesday, and which serial port 
is used _but_ they all make a house call into ~/options. You will find your 
'differences' between your two distros, starting there.

The SxS contains a table ppp- something, that defines which of the various 
/etc/ppp/files are referenced and when.


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Re: kppp on valium

2001-07-07 Thread Michael Scottaline

On Sat, 07 Jul 2001, Tony Alfrey cleverly noted:
 Hi gang!
 
 OK, I've got a case of kppp on sedatives and I don't know where to look.
 My box has a Hayes 56K ISA modem (that never runs above 28K because of 
 slow phone lines, but that is not the issue) with manual jumpers.
 On one partition, I run Caldera LTP with kppp 2.0.0 and my connection 
 is fine.
 Now, on another partition, I have set up SuSE 7.2 with kppp 2.0.3 and 
 my connection speed is about one-third of the other.  I run my box on 
 the desktop with no network or any added sophistication.
 I've carefully checked both kppp configuration files and they are 
 identical.  Since the modem has manual jumpers, port address and IRQ 
 are the same for the serial ports on both distros.
 SuSE 7.2 comes with something called kinternet and it is equally slow.
 How can I diagnose this problem??  
 Thanks to all in advance for any ideas.

Check your port settings in kppp in your SuSE setup.  It may be set
rediculously low by default (9600) try setting it to 1152000, or at least
33600.
Just a guess,
HTH,
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Re: kppp on valium

2001-07-07 Thread Lee

On the kppp setup under devices set the moem speed for 57k






Tony Alfrey wrote:

 Hi gang!

 OK, I've got a case of kppp on sedatives and I don't know where to look.
 My box has a Hayes 56K ISA modem (that never runs above 28K because of
 slow phone lines, but that is not the issue) with manual jumpers.
 On one partition, I run Caldera LTP with kppp 2.0.0 and my connection
 is fine.
 Now, on another partition, I have set up SuSE 7.2 with kppp 2.0.3 and
 my connection speed is about one-third of the other.  I run my box on
 the desktop with no network or any added sophistication.
 I've carefully checked both kppp configuration files and they are
 identical.  Since the modem has manual jumpers, port address and IRQ
 are the same for the serial ports on both distros.
 SuSE 7.2 comes with something called kinternet and it is equally slow.
 How can I diagnose this problem??
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Re: kppp on valium

2001-07-07 Thread Glenn Williams

On Saturday 07 July 2001 11:20, you wrote:
 On Sat, 07 Jul 2001, Glenn Williams cleverly noted:
 snip

  I'm running SuSE 7.2 and using 'kinternet' as well, and it's as
  fast as I could want (although it drops my Internet dialup
  connection when idle, for no apparent reason - maybe I'll find a
  configuration option for setting the idle timeout value).

 snip
 ==
 What you might try, Glenn, if you need to keep your dial-up
 connection alive while your occsionally inactive, is to run a program
 like kbiff and set it up to check your mail server, say, every three
 minutes.  This is usually enought to keep the connection from being
 dropped by most ISP's. Mike

Hi, Mike:

I will change the Kmail setting from polling every 10 minutes, to every 
3 minutes.  I bet that'll do it.

(This problem does not exist when I use the kppp internet dialer 
instead of kinternet.  Go figure.)

Thanks,

Regards,

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Re: kppp on valium

2001-07-07 Thread Dallam Wych



  If you do a man pppd  and search idle ( /idleCR does that where CR
means the enter key), you will see the parameter idle n  which stops your 
side of the ppp connection after n seconds of inactivity (saves you money if 
you forget to drop the line here in the UK...). The line idle 180 (3 
minutes) could be inserted anywhere in your file /etc/ppp/options.
There is of course an identical feature at the ISP's box. Since ISP's
exist to make money (perhaps to save money in institutions such as a
University), they could very well adjust this parameter when your matching 
pppd starts at the ISP, dependin on the day and time at which you connect, 
so as to serve more customers on the same number of phone lines. 
Essentially, what this means is that if your ISP has an automatic disconnect 
time that you can have another program simulate activity (ping)  until the 
end of time and it won't matter...it's still going to disconnect you. I 
don't know of many ISP's that don't have some such system in place, perhaps 
yours doesn't. There is one ISP here in the UK that disconnects you after 4 
minutes of inactivity (which I can't believe they do as one can spend more 
than 4 minutes reading articles on a site easily).
Try setting your idle seconds to about 1800 and see if it makes a 
difference, I know that it did with mine.
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Re: kppp on valium

2001-07-07 Thread Tony Alfrey

On Saturday 07 July 2001 11:09 am, Dallam Wych wrote:
   If you do a man pppd  and search idle ( /idleCR does that where CR
 means the enter key), you will see the parameter idle n  which stops
 your side of the ppp connection after n seconds of inactivity (saves
 you money if you forget to drop the line here in the UK...). 
snip
 Try setting your idle seconds to about 1800 and see if it makes a
 difference, I know that it did with mine.
 Dallam

Thanks!  I posted my /etc/ppp/options a little bit ago.  It has
idle 600, but I'm not sure it is doing what it is supposed to.  I had a 
14 M rpm to download the other day, went out for a couple hours and 
came back.  The connection to the ftp had died but I was still on-line, 
long after 600 seconds.

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Re: kppp on valium

2001-07-07 Thread Glenn Williams



Hi, Tony:

Thanks for pointing this out.  I'm beginning to discover that SuSE 
likes to put lots of stuff in config files.  All good stuff to know.

Regards,

Glenn

On Saturday 07 July 2001 15:43, you wrote:
 On Saturday 07 July 2001 08:18 am, Glenn Williams wrote:

[snip]

  it drops my Internet dialup
  connection when idle, for no apparent reason - maybe I'll find a
  configuration option for setting the idle timeout value).
 
 snip

 I'm beginning to learn something about this stuff.  Look at
 /etc/ppp/options in SuSE:  It has some options in it that look like
 they might be responsible for your drop-out.  There are lots of
 comments in the file that describe the various functions of each
 option. BTW, comm and IRQ listings look good for both distros.

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kppp on valium

2001-07-06 Thread Tony Alfrey

Hi gang!

OK, I've got a case of kppp on sedatives and I don't know where to look.
My box has a Hayes 56K ISA modem (that never runs above 28K because of 
slow phone lines, but that is not the issue) with manual jumpers.
On one partition, I run Caldera LTP with kppp 2.0.0 and my connection 
is fine.
Now, on another partition, I have set up SuSE 7.2 with kppp 2.0.3 and 
my connection speed is about one-third of the other.  I run my box on 
the desktop with no network or any added sophistication.
I've carefully checked both kppp configuration files and they are 
identical.  Since the modem has manual jumpers, port address and IRQ 
are the same for the serial ports on both distros.
SuSE 7.2 comes with something called kinternet and it is equally slow.
How can I diagnose this problem??  
Thanks to all in advance for any ideas.



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