Re: [WSG] Safari doesn't like transparent flash
Safari is not to blame it is the Mac (and also Linux) versions of the flash plugins. You get the same results with Firefox on OsX, when overlaying HTML over flash 50% of the time flash appears above, the other 50% of the time below the HTML no matter which one has the higher z-index or is last in source order. Note I have not tried the new version 9 of the flash plugins to see if the problem is fixed in them.I have been told, that you can use an iframe shim to fix the problem. I just have not tested that yet. Nick-- Nick Cowiehttp://nickcowie.com ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
Re: [WSG] a new IE bug? maybe not
Tee G. Peng wrote: >> BTW, the sidebar drops below the main column in IE 6 >> > > What OS do you use? I don't see it from my XP nor from browser cam ! Sorry, I should have told you: XP Pro - IE 6.0.2800.1106.XPSP2.030320-1720 --- Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Re: Lists and DIR=RTL
Andrew Cunningham wrote: > For your English example, IE and Firefox exhibit variant behaviour. > Not surprising since its an artificial example unlikely to be seen in > real life situations. Although begs the question as to what would > happen in a fully bilingual environment. > I'd assuem form the beaviour in English tests, that Firefox treats teh > directionality of the alt tag as significant, while IE just uses UI > mirroring principles for the images when the list-items have a status > of embedded. Although I could be reading more into this than there is. That what bothered me with that very basic example (FF vs. IE display), but I find your suggestion regarding the ALT attribute very interesting and I tried with images with no ALT attribute's values. With the LIs styled as inline and without "unicode-bidi", Firefox display the images *differently* . Thanks. --- Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] a new IE bug? maybe not
Hi Thierry, I believe it is only because the page is hanging (it does not *load*). Sigh! Only if I knew early. BTW, the sidebar drops below the main column in IE 6 What OS do you use? I don't see it from my XP nor from browser cam ! tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] a new IE bug? maybe not
Tee G. Peng wrote: I experienced something very frustrating and had wasted many hours to find the culprit. Not sure if it's a new discovery or something that is known by many people, thought I share it with you and hopefully it can save you some grieve to try to figure what goes wrong in the future. Was working on a page that uses (PVII) dropdown menu and it doesn't up in IE 6 & 7. I thought it was my code at question, turned out it was because I didn't upload the SWF file, thus causing dropdown menu not showing up. You can see the page here http://new.marinersq.com/html/aerobics.html Soon as the flash banner uploaded, it shows up fine. http://new.marinersq.com/html/aerobics-3.html That's a known issue with Flash and IE. When IE cannot find an image on a server, it simply displays a broken image icon and moves on loading the page. With Flash, it just keeps looking and looking for that SWF and if it cannot find it, the page's onload event will simply not fire. When using Flash, it's a good idea to move your script intializers inline. Delete the onload init for PMM on the body tag and write it inline, just after the end of your menu wrapper DIV: P7_initPM(1,8,1,-20,10); -- Al Sparber PVII http://www.projectseven.com "Designing with CSS is sometimes like barreling down a crumbling mountain road at 90 miles per hour secure in the knowledge that repairs are scheduled for next Tuesday". *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Re: Lists and DIR=RTL
Hi Thierry all I'm saying is that without unicode-bidi property, images are nuetral. With unicode-bidi set to "embed" or "bidi-override" images are strong. Added to that you may also have any UI mirroring built into the browser in question, thrown into the mix. And your image tags aren't language neutral. They have alt tags with English text. I would assume that that would create a LTR embedding level for the images, and whitespace between images would inherit appropraite directionality. BUt as to what each browser actually does ... Compare http://home.vicnet.net.au/~andrewc/test/with_unicode-bidi_en.html and http://home.vicnet.net.au/~andrewc/test/without_unicode-bidi_en.html with http://home.vicnet.net.au/~andrewc/test/with_unicode-bidi_ar.html and http://home.vicnet.net.au/~andrewc/test/without_unicode-bidi_ar.html For the Arabic pages, IE and Firefox behave the same, and display as expected. This is the normal case for RTL display. For your English example, IE and Firefox exhibit variant behaviour. Not surprising since its an artificial example unlikely to be seen in real life situations. Although begs the question as to what would happen in a fully bilingual environment. I'd assuem form the beaviour in English tests, that Firefox treats teh directionality of the alt tag as significant, while IE just uses UI mirroring principles for the images when the list-items have a status of embedded. Although I could be reading more into this than there is. You can build a case to say that either browser is displaying the page correctly, depending on what you think the page should display as. Andrew Thierry Koblentz wrote: Andrew Cunningham wrote: Thierry Koblentz writes: Regardless of the script used, without "unicode-bidi", one does get different results across browsers . In my example, FF keeps all lists LTR while IE shows the second one RTL and you you'll get different results again if you used Arabic characters in the example. To create a test page in Latin script to test RTL properties is problematic. For instance you need "unicode-bidi", which wouldn't be necessary in a purely Arabic or Hebrew page. Andrew, I'm not saying that different scripts won't add an additional level of embedding, I'm just saying that we *already* have a difference across browser using images *only* (no script) and *without* the use of "unicode-bidi". --- Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Andrew Cunningham Research and Development Coordinator Vicnet, Public Libraries and Communications State Library of Victoria 328 Swanston Street Melbourne VIC 3000 Australia andrewc+AEA-vicnet.net.au Ph. 3-8664-7430 Fax: 3-9639-2175 http://www.openroad.net.au/ http://www.libraries.vic.gov.au/ http://www.vicnet.net.au/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***begin:vcard fn:Andrew Cunningham n:Cunningham;Andrew org:State Library of Victoria;Vicnet adr:;;328 Swanston Street;Melbourne;VIC;3000;Australia email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Research and Development Coordinator tel;work:+61-3-8664-7430 tel;fax:+61-3-9639-2175 tel;cell:0421-450-816 note;quoted-printable:Current projects:=0D=0A= =0D=0A= Open Road=E2=80=94http://www.openroad.net.au/=0D=0A= =0D=0A= MyLanguage=E2=80=94http://www.mylanguage.gov.au/=0D=0A= =0D=0A= WoVG Multilingual portal research project=E2=80=94http://www.mylanguage.v= ic.gov.au/ x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://home.vicnet.net.au/~andrewc/ version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: [WSG] a new IE bug? maybe not
> I experienced something very frustrating and had wasted many hours > to find the culprit. Not sure if it's a new discovery or something > that is known by many people, thought I share it with you and > hopefully it can save you some grieve to try to figure what goes > wrong in the future. > Was working on a page that uses (PVII) dropdown menu and it doesn't > up in IE 6 & 7. I thought it was my code at question, turned out it > was because I didn't upload the SWF file, thus causing dropdown menu > not showing up. > > You can see the page here > http://new.marinersq.com/html/aerobics.html I believe it is only because the page is hanging (it does not *load*). BTW, the sidebar drops below the main column in IE 6 --- Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Percentages
David, Not sure why people were entirely opposed to the outer container being a fixed width, but with IE not supporting min-width and not wanting a Javascript solution, we purposely used percentages on divs within the fixed outershell to be flexible within the context of the client's demand that the page accommodate an 800 by 600 screen and the designer wanting it fixed. Should we change the outershell we'll have some flexibility still. And we're able to change percentages in the three faux columns easily using our percentages to create various column width layouts and turning columns on or off with the percentages then kicking in nicely to make up for the removal of one column. We purposely didn't set padding and margin on the structural column divs. (we successfully took the site from a table-based layout to table-less except for tables of data) Thanks for your feedback it encourages us in our decision -TGA From: David Hucklesby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:35:02 -0700 Subject: Re: [WSG] Percentages On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 21:06:11 -0400, TomGou wrote: > I'm not a CSS newbie, and not a CSS Pundit either. What I'd like to > know, is there anything inherently wrong with using percentages for > a three column floated layout? > > Say my outermost container is 720px wide, is it problematic if the > column div widths are 23%, 52%, and 25% > Dissenting only a little from other replies, I would suggest using percentages that add up to just shy of 100%. 99% may do, but test thoroughly. Reason for using percents for fixed width layout? Should you decide to change the width, or make it ems or whatever, you won't need to recalculate the individual widths. Avoid putting margins or padding on these columns. If you need either, put them on the elements or an extra DIV inside the structural containers. To answer you directly - No, I see nothing wrong at all. Cordially, David -- www.hucklesby.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Safari doesn't like transparent flash
Hello all, was juts wondering if any of you had been successful in implementing a fix or workaround for Safari's wmode bug. The gist of that bug: Safari doesn't like wmode, a parameter used to specify the opacity of a flash file, very commonly used to place HTML on top of the flash. And it works great -- 'scept in Safari. It's been a while since I last dealt with this issue and was just wondering (hoping) that by now there's some silver bullet hack fix for this. Thanks, e. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] a new IE bug? maybe not
I experienced something very frustrating and had wasted many hours to find the culprit. Not sure if it's a new discovery or something that is known by many people, thought I share it with you and hopefully it can save you some grieve to try to figure what goes wrong in the future. Was working on a page that uses (PVII) dropdown menu and it doesn't up in IE 6 & 7. I thought it was my code at question, turned out it was because I didn't upload the SWF file, thus causing dropdown menu not showing up. You can see the page here http://new.marinersq.com/html/aerobics.html Soon as the flash banner uploaded, it shows up fine. http://new.marinersq.com/html/aerobics-3.html Regards, tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Entity Name vs Entity Number
You could also read this: http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-escapes/ It contains much of the same advice in Lachlan's article, but a little more about when and when not to use escapes vs characters. RI Richard IshidaInternationalization LeadW3C (World Wide Web Consortium)http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/http://www.w3.org/International/http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/http://www.flickr.com/photos/ishida/ From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James OppenheimSent: 19 October 2006 03:16To: WebStandardsGroup WebStandardsGroupSubject: [WSG] Entity Name vs Entity Number Hello all,A quick question. When marking up XHTML should I be using entity names or entity numbers? Is there a standard or best practice? Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]*** ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
