Re: [WSG] Average Page Sizes
I think that 6 seconds it's the maximum time that the homepage should take to download. But that's dependend of you audience. If many of your clients use 56Kbps modem connection then 300KB is huge. If they all use T1 or even better then 300KB is average. I tend to use by reference 50kb for each page, total! Try to give a thumbnail of your images and then a link to the full version. Em 2006/09/06, às 05:50, Samuel Richardson escreveu: Hello list, What is considered an acceptable total page size for the web these days? Clearly the smaller the better but I’ve put together a fairly graphic heavy travel website with a homepage size of about 300k. With GZIP switched on in the server I imagine that this will be reduced fairly substantially (we have some huge stylesheets that will compress well). Thoughts? -- Samuel Richardson 0405 472 748 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Atentamente, Jorge Laranjo email> [EMAIL PROTECTED] gTalk > [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn > [EMAIL PROTECTED] aim > [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype> jorge.laranjo http://www.olhares.com/fueg0/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/fueg0/ http://concursosdefotografia.blogspot.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Average Page Sizes
ouch! 300k for a home page? I think you and your users would definitely benefit from reducing the file weight. Years ago (back in the dark ages) , when most people were still using dial up (or was that just me?!) we used to recommend a 20kb home page. Is that 300kb including all CSS, scripts, images and code? Lisa On 20/01/07, Jorge Laranjo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think that 6 seconds it's the maximum time that the homepage should take to download. But that's dependend of you audience. If many of your clients use 56Kbps modem connection then 300KB is huge. If they all use T1 or even better then 300KB is average.I tend to use by reference 50kb for each page, total! Try to give a thumbnail of your images and then a link to the full version. Em 2006/09/06, às 05:50, Samuel Richardson escreveu: Hello list, What is considered an acceptable total page size for the web these days? Clearly the smaller the better but I've put together a fairly graphic heavy travel website with a homepage size of about 300k. With GZIP switched on in the server I imagine that this will be reduced fairly substantially (we have some huge stylesheets that will compress well). Thoughts? -- Samuel Richardson 0405 472 748 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Atentamente, Jorge Laranjo email> [EMAIL PROTECTED] gTalk > [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn > [EMAIL PROTECTED] aim > [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype> jorge.laranjo http://www.olhares.com/fueg0/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/fueg0/ http://concursosdefotografia.blogspot.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Average Page Sizes
Em 2006/09/06, às 05:50, Samuel Richardson escreveu: Hello list, What is considered an acceptable total page size for the web these days? Clearly the smaller the better but I've put together a fairly graphic heavy travel website with a homepage size of about 300k. With GZIP switched on in the server I imagine that this will be reduced fairly substantially (we have some huge stylesheets that will compress well). Thoughts? Have you tried compressing your CSS files* ? Images? Flash content? I imagine for a travel website you would want to make your site accessible to modem users, and at 56k speed a 300k homepage sounds like far too much. * http://tools.arantius.com/css-compressor -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.net .. designtocss.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Average Page Sizes
Samuel Richardson wrote: What is considered an acceptable total page size for the web these days? Clearly the smaller the better but I’ve put together a fairly graphic heavy travel website with a homepage size of about 300k. With GZIP switched on in the server I imagine that this will be reduced fairly substantially (we have some huge stylesheets that will compress well). Three things to remember: 1) There are still a large number of people accessing the Internet via modems - not everyone has a broadband connection. 2) There is an increasing number of people accessing the Internet via wireless devices which, like modems, can be incredibly slow. 3) Only serve gzip'd content if the requesting user agent says that it can handle it, through the accept headers. (And for how long are we going to use that ancient compression algorithm, when we have bzip2?) If this is a travel Web site for travellers on the road, and if you cannot avoid being "graphic heavy", you may wish to consider offering an alternative, fast, version for mobile users and those accessing the Internet through public terminals in out-of-the-way places, with slow connections. I would say that the front page of the site should be as light (minimum download sizes) as possible, so that you are catering for all users; content elsewhere on the site can be media-rich for users with high-speed connections, who can choose to view this rather than forcing "heavy" content on all users. Should you have, or have access to, a mobile phone with a Web browser (I mean "real" Web, rather than WAP), this will give you first-hand experience of what it is like, not only to have a slow connection, but a small screen. Cheers M -- Matthew Smith IT Consultancy & Web Application Development Business: http://www.kbc.net.au/ Personal: http://www.smiffysplace.com/ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/smiffy *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Average Page Sizes
Samuel Richardson wrote: What is considered an acceptable total page size for the web these days? Clearly the smaller the better but I've put together a fairly graphic heavy travel website with a homepage size of about 300k. With GZIP switched on in the server I imagine that this will be reduced fairly substantially (we have some huge stylesheets that will compress well). I remember reading something recently (and unfortunately I can't remember where) that users with broadband are getting used to everything loading pretty much instantaneously, so if your site is slow or something doesn't work when they click, they no longer blame themselves or their bad connection, they (correctly) identify your site as the cause of the problem. So modem users will say "oh, I have such a slow connection" but broadband users will say "THIS SITE is terrible and slow!". I use the web site optimization tool at http://www.websiteoptimization.com/services/analyze/ to give me an idea of load times. I think in a lot of cases their listed recommendations are too low, but the tool provides a useful benchmark. -- Kay Smoljak business: www.cleverstarfish.com standards: kay.zombiecoder.com coldfusion: kay.smoljak.com personal: goatlady.wordpress.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Average Page Sizes
I plead guilty to making lots of large pages (over 300Kb even, a few over 1MB) and each page has seven stylesheets to load, so how many were going to St Ives? I give warnings on title rollovers and some headers that pages are large. Years ago I made quicktime movies to play fslow CDs and now I regret it, having archives of tiny movies at low quality. My site is archived by libraries and I will not make pages small just to worry about data rates that will matter less and less in the future. I do try and compress jpgs as much as possible and link to larger versions of pictures, my stylesheets are tight, but a bit verbose with rules, but no whitespace. I also have an 80Kb htaccess (and growing) file which loads for every hit to check users IPs, to stop hotlinking and ban known spam email address collectors. I really don't care if users leave my site before a page loads, I take every care to validate all pages and make them accessible, some subjects like family history do not break up well into multiple pages. I have novels online over 100,000 words of text on single pages and mp3 and gif animation pages over 1MB each and they seems to get many hits which load the complete page. Hardly anyone leaves before the full page loads I noticed last week that google seems to not be penalising my large pages as it did until recently, to calculate page rank google did seem to prefer pages under 100Kb with less than 100 links, now some of my largest pages have shot up in their google page ranking. Tim http://www hereticpress.com On 21/01/2007, at 1:06 PM, Kay Smoljak wrote: Samuel Richardson wrote: What is considered an acceptable total page size for the web these days? Clearly the smaller the better but I've put together a fairly graphic heavy travel website with a homepage size of about 300k. With GZIP switched on in the server I imagine that this will be reduced fairly substantially (we have some huge stylesheets that will compress well). I remember reading something recently (and unfortunately I can't remember where) that users with broadband are getting used to everything loading pretty much instantaneously, so if your site is slow or something doesn't work when they click, they no longer blame themselves or their bad connection, they (correctly) identify your site as the cause of the problem. So modem users will say "oh, I have such a slow connection" but broadband users will say "THIS SITE is terrible and slow!". I use the web site optimization tool at http://www.websiteoptimization.com/services/analyze/ to give me an idea of load times. I think in a lot of cases their listed recommendations are too low, but the tool provides a useful benchmark. -- Kay Smoljak business: www.cleverstarfish.com standards: kay.zombiecoder.com coldfusion: kay.smoljak.com personal: goatlady.wordpress.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** The Editor Heretic Press http://www.hereticpress.com Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Average Page Sizes
On 1/20/07, Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I plead guilty to making lots of large pages (over 300Kb even, a few over 1MB) and each page has seven stylesheets to load, so how many were going to St Ives? I give warnings on title rollovers and some headers that pages are large. Years ago I made quicktime movies to play fslow CDs and now I regret it, having archives of tiny movies at low quality. My site is archived by libraries and I will not make pages small just to worry about data rates that will matter less and less in the future. Are you talking about your personal opinion regarding personal pages or useful advice for a travel site trying to make money from as many people as possible? -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.net .. designtocss.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] wcag, xhtml and javascript validation
Here are a few Firefox extensions that can quickly check pages as you're visiting them. http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/ http://www.totalvalidator.com/support/extension.html More https://addons.mozilla.org/search.php?app=firefox&q=validate Cheers Chris B *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] getting the message "undefined".
a)In Macromedia Flash Professional 8, I created a flash movie with one keyframe. b)On keyframe 1, I placed a clip instance named ball. c)on the ball timeline, i created a variable, var speak = "Hai i am vijay"; d)From frame 1 of the main timeline i tried to find out the value of the variable speak using the following codes: trace (ball.speak);trace (_root.ball.speak);trace (_root.speak);trace (ball.speak);trace (_parent.speak);trace (_parent.ball.speak); But nothing is working. Only I am getting the message "undefined". Will you Help me? Thanks VIJAY Try Sanjeev Kapoor's culinary delights! ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
