Re: [Liveaboard] Batteries charging over the winter ---- WAS EXT : Any other lists more active?
Thanks, Bob. Since I usually get out to check on the lines, etc., every couple of weeks during the winter, that’s an easy thing to do. The next thing I’m going to do is also put a “T” fitting with a valve inline to the pick-up hose for the water intake thru-hull for the MarineAir ac/heat unit so I can turn on the heat when I’ve got onboard projects to do during the winter. That way, re-winterizing would be extremely simple and eliminate the hassle of undoing hose clamps, etc., to get the pink stuff through the system. The biggest ‘major’ project I’m thinking about is to refinish the top surface of the salon table. It’s too much of a hassle to unbolt it to take ashore and besides, I live in an apartment so I don’t have access to a work area in a garage or something. That being said, once I do the sanding and prep work I figure I could apply one or two coats of varnish each weekend and leave the heat on over Saturday night for as long as it takes to finish the project with a final coat of polyurethane or something to get that nice protected shiny finish completed. I had thought about picking up one of those oil-filled heaters but I’m not a big fan of leaving something with that large an electric draw unattended overnight. I have to believe running the MarineAir system for 25-30 hours of use at a time wouldn’t do any harm. There have been plenty of times where we’ve been cruising and ended up in a slip somewhere and turned on the air-conditioning for 2-3 days of continuous use during those 90-95 degree days we seem to get around her late July/August. Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V From: Bob Johnson Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 2:08 PM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] EXT : Any other lists more active? Steve, What a timely comment. I just got back from checking the boat. I leave it on the hard in the Bangor, ME area and have left the boat plugged in for the last 3 winters on my Freedom inverter/charger and the batteries seem to have not suffered. That said when I arrived today I noticed no panel lights lit so I began checking GFCI receptacles and could find nothing. I happened to look down and notice my adaptor pigtail missing. So off I trudge to the marina office to report the theft. They lent me one and I begin looking to see if anything else was missing only to find my pigtail. Evidently I went through all my usual winterizing, covering, etc but just spaced out the last item. I guess this would be a good reason for a check list. When I left the charger was putting 50 amps into the batteries so I guess I may be buying new batteries in the spring. Bob PDQ 36 Peace From: liveaboard-boun...@liveaboardonline.com [mailto:liveaboard-boun...@liveaboardonline.com] On Behalf Of SteveW Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 11:24 AM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] EXT : Any other lists more active? I agree with Skip on this one. While I don’t have to worry about web connection issues, etc. while sitting at home in front of a roaring fireplace I can look through the emails in ‘preview’ and make the decision to engage or not. It seems to me that there’s always as slowdown this time of the year with a lot of the normal ‘listers’ because a whole bunch of us (at least here in the Northeast, Northwest, and upper Midwest) have put our respective boats to bed for the winter – unfortunately! I also know a bunch of the old regulars ( Charmaine, ‘bella, etc...) have migrated to web based or even Facebook, but there are still a LOT of us checking the inbox for list messages. Meanwhile, I’ll be heading out to check on the boat cover, lines, and fenders while Captiva sleeps in her bubbler-equipped slip. But here’s a topic which has been explored before but possibly germane to those of us wet-storing over the winter. Will 6-v wet cell batteries be damaged by leaving the on-board charger activated over 4 months (Dec/Jan/Feb/Mar) so it maintains a float charge? In my case, I’ve got an inverter/charger. I think that while the unit is on and the status panel is on there’s some minimum draw even as the batteries are being charged. Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V From: Skip Gundlach Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 9:15 AM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] EXT : Any other lists more active? I'm part of cruisers_online_network, a truly international list (many receive their mail/listserve over Pactor)... I'm away from my home computer, but I'll follow up in a week or so with info on that one. That said, I wouldn't disengage from this. Also, I DETEST web interfaces of all stripes, much
[Liveaboard] The latest in ship to shore transportation
I assume that like me, a lot of you also get the Dozier's Waterway Guide online. The latest issue had a link to a really interesting new toy to keep on the boat. Check out this link: http://www.jetlev.com/ I'm not sure whether this comes through as a hyperlink so if it doesn't, cut and paste it into your browser. It's like the jetpacks the astronauts use except water powered. Neat stuff... Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] EXT : Any other lists more active?
That seems simple enough. I could always bring a quart of distilled water with
me when I go to check the boat if the battery water level appears to be
dropping.
Steve Weinstein
S/V CAPTIVA
1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376
Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY
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From: bill wright
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 3:02 PM
To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com
Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] EXT : Any other lists more active?
If they're wet cells check the water level once or twice and they'll be great.
Bill Wright
S/V Wright Tack
On 12/16/2011 11:23 AM, SteveW wrote:
I agree with Skip on this one. While I don’t have to worry about web
connection issues, etc. while sitting at home in front of a roaring fireplace I
can look through the emails in ‘preview’ and make the decision to engage or not.
It seems to me that there’s always as slowdown this time of the year with a
lot of the normal ‘listers’ because a whole bunch of us (at least here in the
Northeast, Northwest, and upper Midwest) have put our respective boats to bed
for the winter – unfortunately!
I also know a bunch of the old regulars ( Charmaine, ‘bella, etc...) have
migrated to web based or even Facebook, but there are still a LOT of us
checking the inbox for list messages.
Meanwhile, I’ll be heading out to check on the boat cover, lines, and fenders
while Captiva sleeps in her bubbler-equipped slip. But here’s a topic which has
been explored before but possibly germane to those of us wet-storing over the
winter.
Will 6-v wet cell batteries be damaged by leaving the on-board charger
activated over 4 months (Dec/Jan/Feb/Mar) so it maintains a float charge? In
my case, I’ve got an inverter/charger. I think that while the unit is on and
the status panel is on there’s some minimum draw even as the batteries are
being charged.
Steve Weinstein
S/V CAPTIVA
1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376
Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY
All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V
From: Skip Gundlach
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 9:15 AM
To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com
Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] EXT : Any other lists more active?
I'm part of cruisers_online_network, a truly international list (many receive
their mail/listserve over Pactor)...
I'm away from my home computer, but I'll follow up in a week or so with info
on that one.
That said, I wouldn't disengage from this. Also, I DETEST web interfaces of
all stripes, much preferring listserve, or at a distance, NNTP newsgroups,
where stuff comes to my mailbox without the need to log on, go to a web site,
or any other much more bandwidth intensive activity. It also allows me a
preview of what I'm either going to open or disregard, vs having to wade
through lots of title-only stuff in forums...
My 2 cents; this is a great list, taking a breather :{))
L8R
Skip
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Densler, Vernon R (AS)
vernon.dens...@ngc.com wrote:
Maybe everyone is out to sea?
-Original Message-
From: liveaboard-boun...@liveaboardonline.com
[mailto:liveaboard-boun...@liveaboardonline.com] On Behalf Of Philip McConnell
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 3:36 PM
To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com
Subject: EXT :[Liveaboard] Any other lists more active?
This list appear to be pretty much dead. I kinda wonder why. It used to
be pretty lively.
Question: where has everyone gone?
Thanks!
Philip S. McConnell
USSV Gryphon
Tayana 52 #35
Alameda, CA
p.mcconn...@sv-gryphon.net
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Re: [Liveaboard] The latest in ship to shore transportation
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Re: [Liveaboard] EXT : Any other lists more active?
On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 08:20:55AM -0500, SteveW wrote: That seems simple enough. I could always bring a quart of distilled water with me when I go to check the boat if the battery water level appears to be dropping. If I recall correctly, trickle charging should be limited to 2.5% of total battery capacity to prevent cooking off the electrolyte. But yeah, you should still check the water level occasionally. Ben -- OKOPNIK CONSULTING Custom Computing Solutions For Your Business Expert-led Training | Dynamic, vital websites | Custom programming 443-250-7895 http://okopnik.com http://twitter.com/okopnik ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] Battery Water Re: EXT : Any other lists more active?
On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 10:00:29AM -0500, Skip Gundlach wrote: having had a few months, recently, on line with the charger, I can tell you for sure you'll want to check the water. ═I have 4xL16HC so I have gallons of distilled water aboard. ═My most recent rewatering was WAAY too late for comfort. ═It took about a gallon... I saw a neat gadget recently - an octopus that replaces the plugs on your batteries and allows you to top them all up at once. Until we all start using AGMs or LiFePo batteries, seems like it would be a big time-saver as well as good problem prevention... Ben -- OKOPNIK CONSULTING Custom Computing Solutions For Your Business Expert-led Training | Dynamic, vital websites | Custom programming 443-250-7895 http://okopnik.com http://twitter.com/okopnik ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] The latest in ship to shore transportation
On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 10:28:48AM -0500, SteveW wrote: IБ─≥m really mad Б─⌠ I left just that amount in my pocket when I sent my pants to the dry cleaners! You'd think your dry cleaner would at least let you bum a ride, given the circumstances... Nevertheless, IБ─≥d LOVE to take that puppy out for a spin!!! Here ya go: http://www.jetlev.com/flight.html Next time you're in their neck of the woods... Ben -- OKOPNIK CONSULTING Custom Computing Solutions For Your Business Expert-led Training | Dynamic, vital websites | Custom programming 443-250-7895 http://okopnik.com http://twitter.com/okopnik ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
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I wonder how it works coming up on to the beach. -- S/V ORYOKI Philip Marilyn Lange AE4OVKD4JRC Currently on the hill - Beaufort NC There's no point in making a plan if you're not going to pretend to follow it! ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] Battery Water Re: EXT : Any other lists moreactive?
Interesting concept, Ben but the first thing which popped into what's left of my mind is that it probably would only work well if the water in all cells dropped at the same rate. I've never found that to be the case in my batteries. It's probably a harbinger of a bad cell happening in the near future but I can see each cell boiling off the water at a different rate so that the octopus which fills all simultaneously would really work. I mean it probably would but you'd get a lot of spillage as different cells topped out with different quantities of water. I'm probably over thinking this but that's the first thing which popped into my mind. Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: Ben Okopnik Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 10:40 AM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Battery Water Re: EXT : Any other lists moreactive? On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 10:00:29AM -0500, Skip Gundlach wrote: having had a few months, recently, on line with the charger, I can tell you for sure you'll want to check the water. ═I have 4xL16HC so I have gallons of distilled water aboard. ═My most recent rewatering was WAAY too late for comfort. ═It took about a gallon... I saw a neat gadget recently - an octopus that replaces the plugs on your batteries and allows you to top them all up at once. Until we all start using AGMs or LiFePo batteries, seems like it would be a big time-saver as well as good problem prevention... Ben -- OKOPNIK CONSULTING Custom Computing Solutions For Your Business Expert-led Training | Dynamic, vital websites | Custom programming 443-250-7895 http://okopnik.com http://twitter.com/okopnik ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] The latest in ship to shore transportation
From watching the video, I’d say you’d be okay as long as you approached the beach from the seaward side and insured that fire-hose pickup stayed in the water behind you. Otherwise you could be in for a rather sudden drop – oops I meant “landing”... Now that I’m thinking about it, I wonder what the max gross take-off weight might be. I think I remember reading somewhere on the site that the power came from a 200 hp engine which, while being weightless in flight could be a bear just standing there waiting for take-off thrust! Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V From: Philip Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 12:17 PM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] The latest in ship to shore transportation I wonder how it works coming up on to the beach. -- S/V ORYOKI Philip Marilyn Lange AE4OVKD4JRC Currently on the hill - Beaufort NC There's no point in making a plan if you're not going to pretend to follow it! ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] Battery Water Re: EXT : Any other lists moreactive?
Steve. If it was designed right water could only flow into a cell when the electrolyte had dropped enough to let air into the filling tube for that cell. A closed subsection for each cell using air pressure (vacuum) to hold the water in the reserve 'tank'. I've seen pet water dispensers that keep the dog's water dish filled like that. Eric Thompson San Jose, California capteri...@sbcglobal.net - Original Message - From: SteveW windso...@pipeline.com To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Battery Water Re: EXT : Any other lists moreactive? Interesting concept, Ben but the first thing which popped into what's left of my mind is that it probably would only work well if the water in all cells dropped at the same rate. I've never found that to be the case in my batteries. It's probably a harbinger of a bad cell happening in the near future but I can see each cell boiling off the water at a different rate so that the octopus which fills all simultaneously would really work. I mean it probably would but you'd get a lot of spillage as different cells topped out with different quantities of water. I'm probably over thinking this but that's the first thing which popped into my mind. Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: Ben Okopnik Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 10:40 AM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Battery Water Re: EXT : Any other lists moreactive? On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 10:00:29AM -0500, Skip Gundlach wrote: having had a few months, recently, on line with the charger, I can tell you for sure you'll want to check the water. �I have 4xL16HC so I have gallons of distilled water aboard. �My most recent rewatering was WAAY too late for comfort. �It took about a gallon... I saw a neat gadget recently - an octopus that replaces the plugs on your batteries and allows you to top them all up at once. Until we all start using AGMs or LiFePo batteries, seems like it would be a big time-saver as well as good problem prevention... Ben -- OKOPNIK CONSULTING Custom Computing Solutions For Your Business Expert-led Training | Dynamic, vital websites | Custom programming 443-250-7895 http://okopnik.com http://twitter.com/okopnik ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] The latest in ship to shore transportation
Steve, Could you please change your text Encoding to Western Euopean? It would mak life alittle easier for me. I currently have to change the encoding on not just your emails, but also all those that reply to you. Just a small PITA. :-) Eric Thompson San Jose, California capteri...@sbcglobal.net - Original Message - From: SteveW windso...@pipeline.com To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] The latest in ship to shore transportation From watching the video, I’d say you’d be okay as long as you approached the beach from the seaward side and insured that fire-hose pickup stayed in the water behind you. Otherwise you could be in for a rather sudden drop – oops I meant “landing�... Now that I’m thinking about it, I wonder what the max gross take-off weight might be. I think I remember reading somewhere on the site that the power came from a 200 hp engine which, while being weightless in flight could be a bear just standing there waiting for take-off thrust! Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V From: Philip Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 12:17 PM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] The latest in ship to shore transportation I wonder how it works coming up on to the beach. -- S/V ORYOKI Philip Marilyn Lange AE4OVKD4JRC Currently on the hill - Beaufort NC There's no point in making a plan if you're not going to pretend to follow it! ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
