Re: [Liveaboard] Batteries charging over the winter ---- WAS EXT : Any other lists more active?

2011-12-17 Thread SteveW
Thanks, Bob. Since I usually get out to check on the lines, etc., every couple 
of weeks during the winter, that’s an easy thing to do.  

The next thing I’m going to do is also put a “T” fitting with a valve inline to 
the pick-up hose for the water intake thru-hull for the MarineAir ac/heat unit 
so I can turn on the heat when I’ve got onboard projects to do during the 
winter. That way, re-winterizing would be extremely simple and eliminate the 
hassle of undoing hose clamps, etc., to get the pink stuff through the system.  

The biggest ‘major’ project I’m thinking about is to refinish the top surface 
of the salon table. It’s too much of a hassle to unbolt it to take ashore and 
besides, I live in an apartment so I don’t have access to a work area in a 
garage or something. That being said, once I do the sanding and prep work I 
figure I could apply one or two coats of varnish each weekend and leave the 
heat on over Saturday night for as long as it takes to finish the project with 
a final coat of polyurethane or something to get that nice protected shiny 
finish completed. I had thought about picking up one of those oil-filled 
heaters but I’m not a big fan of leaving something with that large an electric 
draw unattended overnight. 

I have to believe running the MarineAir system for 25-30 hours of use at a time 
wouldn’t do any harm.  There have been plenty of times where we’ve been 
cruising and ended up in a slip somewhere and turned on the air-conditioning 
for 2-3 days of continuous use during those 90-95 degree days we seem to get 
around her late July/August.


Steve Weinstein
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From: Bob Johnson 
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 2:08 PM
To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com 
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Steve, What a timely comment. I just got back from checking the boat. I leave 
it on the hard in the Bangor, ME area and have left the boat plugged in for the 
last 3 winters on my Freedom inverter/charger and the batteries seem to have 
not suffered. That said when I arrived today I noticed no panel lights lit so I 
began checking GFCI receptacles and could find nothing. I happened to look down 
and notice my adaptor pigtail missing. So off I trudge to the marina office to 
report the theft. They lent me one and I begin looking to see if anything else 
was missing only to find my pigtail. Evidently I went through all my usual 
winterizing, covering, etc but just spaced out the last item. I guess this  
would be a good reason for a check list. When I left the charger was putting 50 
amps into the batteries so I guess I may be buying new batteries in the spring.

Bob 
PDQ 36
Peace  




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I agree with Skip on this one. While I don’t have to worry about web connection 
issues, etc. while sitting at home in front of a roaring fireplace I can look 
through the emails in ‘preview’ and make the decision to engage or not.

It seems to me that there’s always as slowdown this time of the year with a lot 
of the normal ‘listers’ because a whole bunch of us (at least here in the 
Northeast, Northwest, and upper Midwest) have put our respective boats to bed 
for the winter – unfortunately!  

I also know a bunch of the old regulars ( Charmaine, ‘bella, etc...) have 
migrated to web based or even Facebook, but there are still a LOT of us 
checking the inbox for list messages. 

Meanwhile, I’ll be heading out to check on the boat cover, lines, and fenders 
while Captiva sleeps in her bubbler-equipped slip. But here’s a topic which has 
been explored before but possibly germane to those of us wet-storing over the 
winter.

Will 6-v wet cell batteries be damaged by leaving the on-board charger 
activated over 4 months (Dec/Jan/Feb/Mar) so it maintains a float charge?  In 
my case, I’ve got an inverter/charger. I think that while the unit is on and 
the status panel is on there’s some minimum draw even as the batteries are 
being charged.




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From: Skip Gundlach 
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 9:15 AM
To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com 
Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] EXT : Any other lists more active?

I'm part of cruisers_online_network, a truly international list (many receive 
their mail/listserve over Pactor)... 

I'm away from my home computer, but I'll follow up in a week or so with info on 
that one.

That said, I wouldn't disengage from this.  Also, I DETEST web interfaces of 
all stripes, much 

[Liveaboard] The latest in ship to shore transportation

2011-12-17 Thread SteveW
I assume that like me, a lot of you also get the Dozier's Waterway Guide 
online.  The latest issue had a link to a really interesting new toy to keep 
on the boat.  Check out this link:

http://www.jetlev.com/

I'm not sure whether this comes through as a hyperlink so if it doesn't, cut 
and paste it into your browser.  It's like the jetpacks the astronauts use 
except water powered.  Neat stuff...



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Re: [Liveaboard] EXT : Any other lists more active?

2011-12-17 Thread SteveW
That seems simple enough. I could always bring a quart of distilled water with 
me when I go to check the boat if the battery water level appears to be 
dropping.


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From: bill wright 
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 3:02 PM
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If they're wet cells check the water level once or twice and they'll be great.

Bill Wright
S/V Wright Tack
On 12/16/2011 11:23 AM, SteveW wrote: 
  I agree with Skip on this one. While I don’t have to worry about web 
connection issues, etc. while sitting at home in front of a roaring fireplace I 
can look through the emails in ‘preview’ and make the decision to engage or not.

  It seems to me that there’s always as slowdown this time of the year with a 
lot of the normal ‘listers’ because a whole bunch of us (at least here in the 
Northeast, Northwest, and upper Midwest) have put our respective boats to bed 
for the winter – unfortunately!  

  I also know a bunch of the old regulars ( Charmaine, ‘bella, etc...) have 
migrated to web based or even Facebook, but there are still a LOT of us 
checking the inbox for list messages. 

  Meanwhile, I’ll be heading out to check on the boat cover, lines, and fenders 
while Captiva sleeps in her bubbler-equipped slip. But here’s a topic which has 
been explored before but possibly germane to those of us wet-storing over the 
winter.

  Will 6-v wet cell batteries be damaged by leaving the on-board charger 
activated over 4 months (Dec/Jan/Feb/Mar) so it maintains a float charge?  In 
my case, I’ve got an inverter/charger. I think that while the unit is on and 
the status panel is on there’s some minimum draw even as the batteries are 
being charged.




  Steve Weinstein
  S/V CAPTIVA
  1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376
  Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY



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  From: Skip Gundlach 
  Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 9:15 AM
  To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com 
  Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] EXT : Any other lists more active?

  I'm part of cruisers_online_network, a truly international list (many receive 
their mail/listserve over Pactor)... 

  I'm away from my home computer, but I'll follow up in a week or so with info 
on that one.

  That said, I wouldn't disengage from this.  Also, I DETEST web interfaces of 
all stripes, much preferring listserve, or at a distance, NNTP newsgroups, 
where stuff comes to my mailbox without the need to log on, go to a web site, 
or any other much more bandwidth intensive activity.  It also allows me a 
preview of what I'm either going to open or disregard, vs having to wade 
through lots of title-only stuff in forums...

  My 2 cents; this is a great list, taking a breather :{))

  L8R

  Skip


  On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Densler, Vernon R (AS) 
vernon.dens...@ngc.com wrote:

Maybe everyone is out to sea?

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[mailto:liveaboard-boun...@liveaboardonline.com] On Behalf Of Philip McConnell
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 3:36 PM
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Subject: EXT :[Liveaboard] Any other lists more active?

This list appear to be pretty much dead. I kinda wonder why. It used to
be pretty lively.

Question: where has everyone gone?

Thanks!

Philip S. McConnell
USSV Gryphon
Tayana 52 #35
Alameda, CA
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Re: [Liveaboard] The latest in ship to shore transportation

2011-12-17 Thread FloridaKeyz
and it's only $99,500!
 
http://www.jetlev.com/

See you in  Paradise!!

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Re: [Liveaboard] EXT : Any other lists more active?

2011-12-17 Thread Ben Okopnik
On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 08:20:55AM -0500, SteveW wrote:
 That seems simple enough. I could always bring a quart of distilled water with
 me when I go to check the boat if the battery water level appears to be
 dropping.

If I recall correctly, trickle charging should be limited to 2.5% of total
battery capacity to prevent cooking off the electrolyte. But yeah, you
should still check the water level occasionally.


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Re: [Liveaboard] Battery Water Re: EXT : Any other lists more active?

2011-12-17 Thread Ben Okopnik
On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 10:00:29AM -0500, Skip Gundlach wrote:
 having had a few months, recently, on line with the charger, I can tell you 
 for
 sure you'll want to check the water. ═I have 4xL16HC so I have gallons of
 distilled water aboard. ═My most recent rewatering was WAAY too late for
 comfort. ═It took about a gallon...

I saw a neat gadget recently - an octopus that replaces the plugs on
your batteries and allows you to top them all up at once. Until we all
start using AGMs or LiFePo batteries, seems like it would be a big
time-saver as well as good problem prevention...


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Re: [Liveaboard] The latest in ship to shore transportation

2011-12-17 Thread Ben Okopnik
On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 10:28:48AM -0500, SteveW wrote:
 IБ─≥m really mad Б─⌠ I left just that amount in my pocket when I sent my pants
 to the dry cleaners! 

You'd think your dry cleaner would at least let you bum a ride, given
the circumstances...
  
 Nevertheless, IБ─≥d LOVE to take that puppy out for a spin!!!

Here ya go:

http://www.jetlev.com/flight.html

Next time you're in their neck of the woods...


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Re: [Liveaboard] The latest in ship to shore transportation

2011-12-17 Thread Philip
I wonder how it works  coming up on to the beach.

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Re: [Liveaboard] Battery Water Re: EXT : Any other lists moreactive?

2011-12-17 Thread SteveW
Interesting concept, Ben but the first thing which popped into what's left 
of my mind is that it probably would only work well if the water in all 
cells dropped at the same rate. I've never found that to be the case in my 
batteries.  It's probably a harbinger of a bad cell happening in the near 
future but I can see each cell boiling off the water at a different rate so 
that the octopus which fills all simultaneously would really work. I mean it 
probably would but you'd get a lot of spillage as different cells topped out 
with different quantities of water.

I'm probably over thinking this but that's the first thing which popped into 
my mind.



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Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 10:40 AM
To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com
Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Battery Water Re: EXT : Any other lists 
moreactive?

On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 10:00:29AM -0500, Skip Gundlach wrote:
 having had a few months, recently, on line with the charger, I can tell 
 you for
 sure you'll want to check the water. ═I have 4xL16HC so I have gallons of
 distilled water aboard. ═My most recent rewatering was WAAY too late for
 comfort. ═It took about a gallon...

I saw a neat gadget recently - an octopus that replaces the plugs on
your batteries and allows you to top them all up at once. Until we all
start using AGMs or LiFePo batteries, seems like it would be a big
time-saver as well as good problem prevention...


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Re: [Liveaboard] The latest in ship to shore transportation

2011-12-17 Thread SteveW
From watching the video, I’d say you’d be okay as long as you approached the 
beach from the seaward side and insured that fire-hose pickup stayed in the 
water behind you.  Otherwise you could be in for a rather sudden drop – oops I 
meant “landing”...

Now that I’m thinking about it, I wonder what the max gross take-off weight 
might be. I think I remember reading somewhere on the site that the power came 
from a 200 hp engine which, while being weightless in flight could be a bear 
just standing there waiting for take-off thrust!

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From: Philip 
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 12:17 PM
To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com 
Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] The latest in ship to shore transportation

I wonder how it works  coming up on to the beach.

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Re: [Liveaboard] Battery Water Re: EXT : Any other lists moreactive?

2011-12-17 Thread Eric T.

Steve.
If it was designed right water could only flow into a cell when the 
electrolyte had dropped enough to let air into the filling tube for that 
cell.
A closed subsection for each cell using air pressure (vacuum) to hold the 
water in the reserve 'tank'.
I've seen pet water dispensers that keep the dog's water dish filled like 
that.



Eric Thompson
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Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Battery Water Re: EXT : Any other lists 
moreactive?




Interesting concept, Ben but the first thing which popped into what's left
of my mind is that it probably would only work well if the water in all
cells dropped at the same rate. I've never found that to be the case in my
batteries.  It's probably a harbinger of a bad cell happening in the near
future but I can see each cell boiling off the water at a different rate 
so
that the octopus which fills all simultaneously would really work. I mean 
it
probably would but you'd get a lot of spillage as different cells topped 
out

with different quantities of water.

I'm probably over thinking this but that's the first thing which popped 
into

my mind.



Steve Weinstein
S/V CAPTIVA
1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376
Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY



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From: Ben Okopnik

Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 10:40 AM
To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com
Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Battery Water Re: EXT : Any other lists
moreactive?

On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 10:00:29AM -0500, Skip Gundlach wrote:

having had a few months, recently, on line with the charger, I can tell
you for
sure you'll want to check the water. �I have 4xL16HC so I have gallons 
of
distilled water aboard. �My most recent rewatering was WAAY too late 
for

comfort. �It took about a gallon...


I saw a neat gadget recently - an octopus that replaces the plugs on
your batteries and allows you to top them all up at once. Until we all
start using AGMs or LiFePo batteries, seems like it would be a big
time-saver as well as good problem prevention...


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Re: [Liveaboard] The latest in ship to shore transportation

2011-12-17 Thread Eric T.

Steve,

Could you please change your text Encoding to Western Euopean?
It would mak life alittle easier for me.
I currently have to change the encoding on not just your emails, but also 
all those that reply to you.


Just a small PITA.   :-)

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To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] The latest in ship to shore transportation


From watching the video, I’d say you’d be okay as long as you 
approached the beach from the seaward side and insured that fire-hose 
pickup stayed in the water behind you.  Otherwise you could be in for a 
rather sudden drop – oops I meant “landing�...


Now that I’m thinking about it, I wonder what the max gross take-off 
weight might be. I think I remember reading somewhere on the site that the 
power came from a 200 hp engine which, while being weightless in flight 
could be a bear just standing there waiting for take-off thrust!


Steve Weinstein
S/V CAPTIVA
1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376
Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY



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From: Philip
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 12:17 PM
To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com
Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] The latest in ship to shore transportation

I wonder how it works  coming up on to the beach.

--
S/V ORYOKI
Philip  Marilyn Lange
AE4OVKD4JRC
Currently on the hill - Beaufort NC

There's no point in making a plan if  you're not going to pretend to follow 
it!









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