Re: [Liveaboard] A Hey (OH OH! Norm Hacked!)

[Walter Knopf]

Had a hard time to find your message since you didn't trim anything.
I am an old fogey, with email addresses before the internet, (ARPANET, 
DECNET) yes, there was such a thing.
We had netiquette, trim out everything that doesn't pertain to the message.
Use text only, to keep those darn attachments away. (.dat files)
Adhered to the netiquette, had many a friend and acquaintance, never had to 
say anything bad.
Look it up and you will be a better contributor, no offense intended.
As a guess, you are probably my son's age posting from an iPhone.
Look up netiquette, know what the ratio of the response is supposed to be 
compared to the article posted.

Walter

Liberty 28, Fajardo,, PR

-Original Message- 
From: Kris Coward
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 11:42 PM
To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com
Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] A Hey (OH OH! Norm Hacked!)

On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 05:44:32PM -0400, Ben Okopnik wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 05:32:58PM -0400, Sam Densler wrote:
> > Ben,
> > It makes sense when there is a legitimate product offered for sale in
> > the spam email but what about the emails that just have a link with no
> > text, or a bunch of nonsense, or I have even seen some with no link at
> > all.  Just seems like the intent is to piss people off but what is the
> > financial gain?
>
> Oh - yeah, I've seen those as well. I _think_ - not sure, but I suspect
> - that they're accidental mailings, kinda like "Dear Rich Bastard".
>
> http://www.snopes.com/business/consumer/bastard.asp
>
> The thing to remember here is that what the spammers (the people that do
> the actual mailings, not the advertisers) get paid for isn't in the
> visible part of the email - it's the effort to structure the headers so
> that the email appears legitimate and slips through the filters. Most of
> that is going to happen before any content is added (thus the empty
> emails), or where they just type in some nonsense so there will be
> _some_ kind of an email body.
>
> Like I said, though, that's just an informed guess.

I'd always figured that they were sent out to confuse/poison Bayesian
and machine-learning based spam filters.

-K

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Re: [Liveaboard] A Hey (OH OH! Norm Hacked!)

[Kris Coward]

On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 05:44:32PM -0400, Ben Okopnik wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 05:32:58PM -0400, Sam Densler wrote:
> > Ben,
> > It makes sense when there is a legitimate product offered for sale in 
> > the spam email but what about the emails that just have a link with no 
> > text, or a bunch of nonsense, or I have even seen some with no link at 
> > all.  Just seems like the intent is to piss people off but what is the 
> > financial gain?
> 
> Oh - yeah, I've seen those as well. I _think_ - not sure, but I suspect
> - that they're accidental mailings, kinda like "Dear Rich Bastard".
> 
> http://www.snopes.com/business/consumer/bastard.asp
> 
> The thing to remember here is that what the spammers (the people that do
> the actual mailings, not the advertisers) get paid for isn't in the
> visible part of the email - it's the effort to structure the headers so
> that the email appears legitimate and slips through the filters. Most of
> that is going to happen before any content is added (thus the empty
> emails), or where they just type in some nonsense so there will be
> _some_ kind of an email body.
> 
> Like I said, though, that's just an informed guess.

I'd always figured that they were sent out to confuse/poison Bayesian
and machine-learning based spam filters.

-K

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Re: [Liveaboard] Battery wire terminal lugs

[Jim Lynch]

On 09/05/2012 02:25 PM, Philip wrote:
I too have dealt with genuinedealz .  They 
are a big eBay seller. Good service and products.

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Currently on the hill - Beaufort NC

"There's no point in making a plan if
  you're not going to pretend to follow it!"



Thanks for this link!  I found these guys in Brunswick a few years ago 
but they moved.  I didn't know where and didn't know their name so I 
couldn't look them up.  Their warehouse is awesome. I've never seen so 
much wire.  I can definitely  recommend them.
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Re: [Liveaboard] A Hey (OH OH! Norm Hacked!)

[Walter Knopf]

Sam,

there is a whole cottage industry out there to collect email addresses thru 
screen scraping
and other methods, then sell a CD with about a million verified addresses to 
the spammers.
If a message is accepted by the smtp server and delivered to you it is 
verified, even if it
ends up in your junk folder. I use hMailServer on my hosting service and it 
allows me to
block a single ip number or a range. This will then look to the spammer like 
it is not a valid
email address anymore and eventually (hopefully?) disappear from their list.
If I see blocks of four (typical) ip numbers in a neighborhood I look at the 
domain registration,
doesn't take a genius to spot the spammers, I then block the whole C subnet 
if there are no valid
domains in it.
BTW, in the process of analyzing all the spam I found that there are some 
BIG service providers
that seem to sell hosting to spammers knowingly (it's money). If you contact 
their abuse with concrete
examples they will respond with "We have an anti-spam policy".
Surprisingly most of them are in the US; if you are interested I can extract 
and send you this list.

Walter

-Original Message- 
From: Sam Densler
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 5:32 PM
To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com
Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] A Hey (OH OH! Norm Hacked!)

Ben,
It makes sense when there is a legitimate product offered for sale in
the spam email but what about the emails that just have a link with no
text, or a bunch of nonsense, or I have even seen some with no link at
all.  Just seems like the intent is to piss people off but what is the
financial gain?

Sam



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Re: [Liveaboard] A Hey (OH OH! Norm Hacked!)

[Ben Okopnik]

On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 05:32:58PM -0400, Sam Densler wrote:
> Ben,
> It makes sense when there is a legitimate product offered for sale in 
> the spam email but what about the emails that just have a link with no 
> text, or a bunch of nonsense, or I have even seen some with no link at 
> all.  Just seems like the intent is to piss people off but what is the 
> financial gain?

Oh - yeah, I've seen those as well. I _think_ - not sure, but I suspect
- that they're accidental mailings, kinda like "Dear Rich Bastard".

http://www.snopes.com/business/consumer/bastard.asp

The thing to remember here is that what the spammers (the people that do
the actual mailings, not the advertisers) get paid for isn't in the
visible part of the email - it's the effort to structure the headers so
that the email appears legitimate and slips through the filters. Most of
that is going to happen before any content is added (thus the empty
emails), or where they just type in some nonsense so there will be
_some_ kind of an email body.

Like I said, though, that's just an informed guess.


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Re: [Liveaboard] A Hey (OH OH! Norm Hacked!)

[Sam Densler]

Ben,
It makes sense when there is a legitimate product offered for sale in 
the spam email but what about the emails that just have a link with no 
text, or a bunch of nonsense, or I have even seen some with no link at 
all.  Just seems like the intent is to piss people off but what is the 
financial gain?

Sam



On 9/5/12 2:19 PM, Ben Okopnik wrote:
> Hi, Sam -
>
> On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 01:45:51PM -0400, Sam Densler wrote:
>> OK Ben, a question for you...
>>
>> Other than being a pain In the butt, what benefit do these type of spammers 
>> derive from such an activity.  I understand some of the hoaxes that get 
>> folks to give up username and password for bank accounts and PayPal, but 
>> what was to be gained with an email like they sent from Norm or the 
>> continuous barrage of Viagra emails?  Does anybody actually try to buy 
>> Viagra from an email?
>>
>> Doesn't make sense to me...
>
> The key is essentially a zero replication cost: it costs a spammer the
> same amount to send 1,000,000 emails as it does to send one, and takes
> about the same effort. From the seller's end, if it costs him (let's
> say) $100 to advertise to 1,000,000 people, and one in a hundred
> thousand is stupid/crazy/ignorant/whatever to buy, that's 10 customers.
> Profit margin on Viagra (made license-free in India) is probably 75% on,
> what, a $100 order? There's $650 profit - plenty to spread around.
>
> Lots of criminal organizations in Russia, Poland, etc. getting rich off
> that very business these days. The actual technical side of spamming,
> that is.
>
>
> Ben
>

-- 



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Songwriters Island Radio
www.songwriters-island.com

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PDQ 36, Hull #15
Punta Gorda, FL
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Re: [Liveaboard] EXT :Re: A Hey (OH OH! Norm Hacked!)

[Ben Okopnik]

On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 06:24:06PM +, Densler, Vernon R (AS) wrote:
> You know what would be cool?  If someone sent out a spam hocking Spam.  
> Anyone know where I can get Chinese Spam?

I used to collect the various types, years ago, including Russian,
Polish, and Hungarian (IIRC) spam advertising spam services. Might still
have that archive somewhere, if you're really interested.

(Chinese spam was _fascinating,_ actually. Totally traditional Chinese
greeting, etc., translated into English - starting with something like
"The sun is shining and it is a lovely spring. Isn't it?")


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Re: [Liveaboard] A Hey (OH OH! Norm Hacked!)

[Ben Okopnik]

On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 07:15:14PM +, Stephen Petri (@optonline.net) wrote:
> Ben, if you did not intend to be disrespectful, you would have pulled
> my email address and responded directly to me instead of through the
> listserv.

Err, no. You put out misleading information on the list; it needed to be
corrected on the list.
 
> You are not the only one on this
> list who earns their livelihood in IS/IT.

Whether I am or not isn't the issue; your foolish statement is. It was,
and remains, a pointless waste of time - and I'm not interested in any
further discussion with someone who decides to get on their high horse
and defend their ignorance. You have been banned from my inbox for the
next 30 days.


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Re: [Liveaboard] A Hey (OH OH! Norm Hacked!)

[Stephen Petri (@optonline.net)]

Ben, if you did not intend to be disrespectful, you would have pulled my email 
address and responded directly to me instead of through the listserv.

You also made an ignorant and completely false statement about my "competence" 
regarding this issue.  You are not the only one on this list who earns their 
livelihood in IS/IT.

I would not have recommended Norm changing and hardening his password if there 
was not a good reason:

http://tech-stew.com/post/2012/07/12/Yahoo-confirms-server-breach-and-400k-accounts-compromised.aspx

"More than 400,000 Yahoo Voices accounts were stolen from their servers 
earlier this week and that data was posted online.  Indications were the 
information has since been removed, but a direct link to the original source 
seems to still exist and is accessible whenever the load is low enough.  The 
breach wasn't just credentials for Yahoo, but also Gmail, AOL, Comcast, 
Hotmail, MSN, SBC Global, BellSouth, Verizon and Live.com as well. 

The hackers responsible go by the name "D33D Company" whose website is 
registered out of Ukraine.  They were quoted as saying they used SQL Injection 
to steal the passwords and apparently did this so they could show Yahoo how 
weak their software security was:"

So, kindly take your head out of your dark and warm place and try to be polite.

Stephen Petri

-Original Message-
From: liveaboard-boun...@liveaboardonline.com 
[mailto:liveaboard-boun...@liveaboardonline.com] On Behalf Of Ben Okopnik
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 12:19 PM
To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com
Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] A Hey (OH OH! Norm Hacked!)

Oh, dear.

Stephen... I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but please don't give advice in 
areas where you don't have competence. The above is simply pointless - it has 
absolutely nothing to do with passwords or anything else of that sort: Norm's 
email account is not in any way involved. The spammers simply used his address 
- like someone pretending to be you and borrowing money.



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Re: [Liveaboard] Battery wire terminal lugs

[Lee Haefele]

I have had good service from Del City.

Lee Haefele


On Sep 5, 2012, at 12:19 PM, "Norm"  wrote:

>  
>  
> Found a good source for the heavy ring terminals I am using for my new 
> battery installation.
>  
>  
> I found some good battery terminals on line.
>  
> Wire size 2/0, 3/8” stud, crimp type (I solder them on).
>  
> DelCity.net  part number 907455  $3.42 each
>  
> They were half the cost of the only local source I could find – Grainger.
>  
> They are nicely made, heavy duty, and pre-tinned.  First I slide some shrink 
> tube on the wire, then solder the terminals on with resin core electrical 
> solder and a propane torch (keep the direct flame away from the wire – it 
> will oxidize the copper).  Then I slather the space between the terminal and 
> the  plastic insulation with Copper Cote (like Never Seeze but copper based), 
> then shrink the tubing around the joint.
>  
> Del City also has other goodies I have purchased - toggle switches and rubber 
> boots for them.
> 
> 
> Norm
> S/V Bandersnatch
> Lying Julington Creek FL
> 30 23.8N 081 25.7W
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Re: [Liveaboard] Battery wire terminal lugs

[Philip]

I too have dealt with genuinedealz.  They are a big eBay seller. Good
service and products.  
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On Wed, 2012-09-05 at 13:27 -0400, Ben Okopnik wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 12:19:54PM -0400, Norm wrote:
> >  
> >  
> > Found a good source for the heavy ring terminals I am using for my new 
> > battery
> > installation.
> >  
> > I found some good battery terminals on line.
> 
> Oh, that reminds me - I've been using an excellent source for that kind
> of thing that I got from the electricboats Yahoo group; just ordered #2
> cable from them, and was pleasantly impressed by the quality, the speed
> of delivery, and the cost. Their domain name sounds kinda spammy,
> though. :)
> 
> http://genuinedealz.com/
> 
> 
> 
> Ben
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Re: [Liveaboard] EXT :Re: A Hey (OH OH! Norm Hacked!)

[Densler, Vernon R (AS)]

You know what would be cool?  If someone sent out a spam hocking Spam.  Anyone 
know where I can get Chinese Spam?

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Re: [Liveaboard] A Hey (OH OH! Norm Hacked!)

[Ben Okopnik]

Hi, Sam -

On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 01:45:51PM -0400, Sam Densler wrote:
> OK Ben, a question for you...
> 
> Other than being a pain In the butt, what benefit do these type of spammers 
> derive from such an activity.  I understand some of the hoaxes that get folks 
> to give up username and password for bank accounts and PayPal, but what was 
> to be gained with an email like they sent from Norm or the continuous barrage 
> of Viagra emails?  Does anybody actually try to buy Viagra from an email?
> 
> Doesn't make sense to me...

The key is essentially a zero replication cost: it costs a spammer the
same amount to send 1,000,000 emails as it does to send one, and takes
about the same effort. From the seller's end, if it costs him (let's
say) $100 to advertise to 1,000,000 people, and one in a hundred
thousand is stupid/crazy/ignorant/whatever to buy, that's 10 customers.
Profit margin on Viagra (made license-free in India) is probably 75% on,
what, a $100 order? There's $650 profit - plenty to spread around.

Lots of criminal organizations in Russia, Poland, etc. getting rich off
that very business these days. The actual technical side of spamming,
that is.


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Re: [Liveaboard] EXT :Re: A Hey

[SteveW]

A couple of years ago I thought you had mentioned you had access to a couple 
of discarded telephone poles!

Steve Weinstein
S/V CAPTIVA
1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376
Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY



All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V

-Original Message- 
From: Norm
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 11:07 AM
To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com
Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] EXT :Re: A Hey


I sure wish it were around in the early building days.  If I had mixed
Viagra with my concrete maybe I would have masts by now!



Norm
S/V Bandersnatch
Lying Julington Creek FL
30 23.8N 081 25.7W



The major issue here is that it looks like Norm has had his email
compromised in some way so that the spammer was able to get his address book
and start spoofing emails from him.  My list server has no way of knowing if
it is spam or if Norm really wants to tell us all how much he loves Viagra.

Vern


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Re: [Liveaboard] A Hey (OH OH! Norm Hacked!)

[Sam Densler]

OK Ben, a question for you...

Other than being a pain In the butt, what benefit do these type of spammers 
derive from such an activity.  I understand some of the hoaxes that get folks 
to give up username and password for bank accounts and PayPal, but what was to 
be gained with an email like they sent from Norm or the continuous barrage of 
Viagra emails?  Does anybody actually try to buy Viagra from an email?

Doesn't make sense to me...

Sam





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On Sep 5, 2012, at 1:19 PM, Ben Okopnik  wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 12:23:43PM -0400, Norm wrote:
>> 
>> Ben,
>> 
>> Yes, it does seem that the spammers did get my address book because I am 
>> getting bounced notices from addresses that are actually in my old address 
>> book, addresses I have not had contact with for years in some cases.
> 
> As I mentioned, that was one of the possibilities - but it still has
> nothing to do with Earthlink passwords, etc. The best bet is still to
> change your address and warn your contacts to block the old one.
> 
> 
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Re: [Liveaboard] Battery wire terminal lugs

[Ben Okopnik]

On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 12:19:54PM -0400, Norm wrote:
>  
>  
> Found a good source for the heavy ring terminals I am using for my new battery
> installation.
>  
> I found some good battery terminals on line.

Oh, that reminds me - I've been using an excellent source for that kind
of thing that I got from the electricboats Yahoo group; just ordered #2
cable from them, and was pleasantly impressed by the quality, the speed
of delivery, and the cost. Their domain name sounds kinda spammy,
though. :)

http://genuinedealz.com/



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Re: [Liveaboard] A Hey (OH OH! Norm Hacked!)

[Ben Okopnik]

On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 12:23:43PM -0400, Norm wrote:
> 
> Ben,
> 
> Yes, it does seem that the spammers did get my address book because I am 
> getting bounced notices from addresses that are actually in my old address 
> book, addresses I have not had contact with for years in some cases.

As I mentioned, that was one of the possibilities - but it still has
nothing to do with Earthlink passwords, etc. The best bet is still to
change your address and warn your contacts to block the old one.


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Re: [Liveaboard] A Hey (OH OH! Norm Hacked!)

[Norm]

Ben,

Yes, it does seem that the spammers did get my address book because I am 
getting bounced notices from addresses that are actually in my old address 
book, addresses I have not had contact with for years in some cases.

Norm




Oh, dear.

Stephen... I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but please don't give
advice in areas where you don't have competence. The above is simply
pointless - it has absolutely nothing to do with passwords or anything
else of that sort: Norm's email account is not in any way involved. The
spammers simply used his address - like someone pretending to be you and
borrowing money.

Norm - unfortunately, all you can do is subscribe using another email
address. Then, Vern will be able to block this one. The spammers aren't
doing this to you individually; they either harvested your address plus
the list mail address from the Net, or (possibly) compromised the email
program on your computer (I see you're using Windows LiveMail.)
Hopefully, it'll be a while before they hit someone here/this list
again.


Ben
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[Liveaboard] Battery wire terminal lugs

[Norm]

Found a good source for the heavy ring terminals I am using for my new battery 
installation.


I found some good battery terminals on line.

Wire size 2/0, 3/8” stud, crimp type (I solder them on).

DelCity.net  part number 907455  $3.42 each

They were half the cost of the only local source I could find – Grainger.

They are nicely made, heavy duty, and pre-tinned.  First I slide some shrink 
tube on the wire, then solder the terminals on with resin core electrical 
solder and a propane torch (keep the direct flame away from the wire – it will 
oxidize the copper).  Then I slather the space between the terminal and the 
plastic insulation with Copper Cote (like Never Seeze but copper based), then 
shrink the tubing around the joint. 

Del City also has other goodies I have purchased - toggle switches and rubber 
boots for them. 


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Re: [Liveaboard] A Hey (OH OH! Norm Hacked!)

[Ben Okopnik]

On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 03:23:47PM +, Stephen Petri (@optonline.net) wrote:
> Change your EarthLink password to something difficult to guess.  Passphrases 
> with numerals, symbols and alternating caps over 10 places work well.
> 
> But change it quickly before the hijack the account.

Oh, dear.

Stephen... I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but please don't give
advice in areas where you don't have competence. The above is simply
pointless - it has absolutely nothing to do with passwords or anything
else of that sort: Norm's email account is not in any way involved. The
spammers simply used his address - like someone pretending to be you and
borrowing money.

Norm - unfortunately, all you can do is subscribe using another email
address. Then, Vern will be able to block this one. The spammers aren't
doing this to you individually; they either harvested your address plus
the list mail address from the Net, or (possibly) compromised the email
program on your computer (I see you're using Windows LiveMail.)
Hopefully, it'll be a while before they hit someone here/this list
again.


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Re: [Liveaboard] A Hey (OH OH! Norm Hacked!)

[Norm]

Done.  Thanks for the reminder.

I like to include symbols (lets me think I'm cussing at them) but Earthlink 
only allows letters and numbers.

Norm




Change your EarthLink password to something difficult to guess.  Passphrases 
with numerals, symbols and alternating caps over 10 places work well.

But change it quickly before the hijack the account.

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Re: [Liveaboard] A Hey (OH OH! Norm Hacked!)

[Norm]

Thanks for the reminder.  Done.

Norm




Change your EarthLink password to something difficult to guess.  Passphrases 
with numerals, symbols and alternating caps over 10 places work well.

But change it quickly before the hijack the account.

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Re: [Liveaboard] A Hey (OH OH! Norm Hacked!)

[Stephen Petri (@optonline.net)]

Change your EarthLink password to something difficult to guess.  Passphrases 
with numerals, symbols and alternating caps over 10 places work well.

But change it quickly before the hijack the account.

Stephen Petri

-Original Message-
From: liveaboard-boun...@liveaboardonline.com 
[mailto:liveaboard-boun...@liveaboardonline.com] On Behalf Of Norm
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 11:00 AM
To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com
Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] A Hey (OH OH! Norm Hacked!)

Ahoy Ben,

>From the addresses I see on the spam filters bounced notices I have 
>been
receiving (over 100 so far) they got a copy of my address book from my old 
machine which I don't use for email any more since I got my new laptop. 
Some are very old addresses.  They must have gotten them some time ago.

Or perhaps they got them from Earthlink/Web Mail.

Is there anything I can do to help the situation?



Norm
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Lying Julington Creek FL
30 23.8N 081 25.7W


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Re: [Liveaboard] EXT :Re: A Hey

[Sam Densler]

Oh, this is going to be fun...



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On Sep 5, 2012, at 11:07 AM, Norm  wrote:

> 
> I sure wish it were around in the early building days.  If I had mixed 
> Viagra with my concrete maybe I would have masts by now!
> 
> 
> 
> Norm
> S/V Bandersnatch
> Lying Julington Creek FL
> 30 23.8N 081 25.7W
> 
> 
> 
> The major issue here is that it looks like Norm has had his email 
> compromised in some way so that the spammer was able to get his address book 
> and start spoofing emails from him.  My list server has no way of knowing if 
> it is spam or if Norm really wants to tell us all how much he loves Viagra.
> 
> Vern
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Re: [Liveaboard] EXT :Re: A Hey

[Norm]

I sure wish it were around in the early building days.  If I had mixed 
Viagra with my concrete maybe I would have masts by now!



Norm
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Lying Julington Creek FL
30 23.8N 081 25.7W



The major issue here is that it looks like Norm has had his email 
compromised in some way so that the spammer was able to get his address book 
and start spoofing emails from him.  My list server has no way of knowing if 
it is spam or if Norm really wants to tell us all how much he loves Viagra.

Vern


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Re: [Liveaboard] A Hey (OH OH! Norm Hacked!)

[Norm]

Ahoy Ben,

>From the addresses I see on the spam filters bounced notices I have been 
receiving (over 100 so far) they got a copy of my address book from my old 
machine which I don't use for email any more since I got my new laptop. 
Some are very old addresses.  They must have gotten them some time ago.

Or perhaps they got them from Earthlink/Web Mail.

Is there anything I can do to help the situation?



Norm
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Lying Julington Creek FL
30 23.8N 081 25.7W


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Re: [Liveaboard] New 2V House Batteries

[Norm]

Good question.

I haven't asked Trojan but my guess is that they use the same cell tops on 
all their L16 cans and they all have three caps on them.



Norm
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30 23.8N 081 25.7W


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Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] New 2V House Batteries

Bob wants to know why there are three filler caps


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Re: [Liveaboard] EXT :Re: A Hey

[Densler, Vernon R (AS)]

I try.

-Original Message-
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[mailto:liveaboard-boun...@liveaboardonline.com] On Behalf Of SteveW
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 9:23 AM
To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com
Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] EXT :Re: A Hey

Boy, Vern, you just left the door open for a seriously funny new 
thread!!

Steve Weinstein
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Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY



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Re: [Liveaboard] EXT :Re: A Hey

[SteveW]

Boy, Vern, you just left the door open for a seriously funny new 
thread!!

Steve Weinstein
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From: Densler, Vernon R (AS)
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 8:27 AM
To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com
Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] EXT :Re: A Hey

The major issue here is that it looks like Norm has had his email
compromised in some way so that the spammer was able to get his address book
and start spoofing emails from him.  My list server has no way of knowing if
it is spam or if Norm really wants to tell us all how much he loves Viagra.

Vern

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Re: [Liveaboard] Ben's unsurprisingly erudite observations Re: A Hey

[Ben Okopnik]

[grin] I _do_ get carried away with the tech stuff, don't I? I was
pretty heavily involved with that protocol change at one time, so it's a
bit of a hot button for me: it was accepted, but actually getting it to
happen, well... Seriously sucks, because it would have completely
wrecked the spammers' current profit model.

On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 08:17:50AM -0400, Skip Gundlach wrote:
> So, the solution, regardless of, or, as in our case, even if you don't have 
> one, your ISP, you should get and use a Gmail account - it's free...

There are _much_ better email providers, but they (gasp!) actually cost
money - like $2/month or something like that. If you're not using any of
those, then, yeah - Gmail is as good of an answer as you're going to
get.

Note that this is NOT true of Yahoo, Hotmail, etc.


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Re: [Liveaboard] EXT :Re: A Hey

[Densler, Vernon R (AS)]

The major issue here is that it looks like Norm has had his email compromised 
in some way so that the spammer was able to get his address book and start 
spoofing emails from him.  My list server has no way of knowing if it is spam 
or if Norm really wants to tell us all how much he loves Viagra.  

Vern

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[Liveaboard] Ben's unsurprisingly erudite observations Re: A Hey

[Skip Gundlach]

So, the solution, regardless of, or, as in our case, even if you don't have 
one, your ISP, you should get and use a Gmail account - it's free...

If you MUST have mail delivered to you via your ISP, GM will forward it to 
there for you.  I use a client (Outlook Express on my XP computer, and 
WLMail on Lydia's laptop) to avoid having to do a web interface.  You may 
PREFER a web interface, but it's beyond me as to why anyone would, 
particularly if you're bandwidth challenged as most cruisers are...

L8R

Skip, on Gmail for almost its entirety...


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Re: [Liveaboard] A Hey

[Ben Okopnik]

On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 06:41:44AM -0400, Lee Haefele wrote:
> Doesn't the liveaboard list have a spam filter?   My spam filter
> rejects mail from a server that does not match the e.mail address.

Unfortunately, that approach won't work here.

[...]
Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net
(elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63])
by sun2.highwayusa.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q8535x6M003495
for ;
Tue, 4 Sep 2012 23:06:00 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from [188.26.185.39] (helo=localhost)
by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67)
(envelope-from ) id 1T963w-uS-LC
for Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com; Tue, 04 Sep 2012 23:13:58 -0400
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2012 05:24:36 -0600
[...]

That bottom transaction (which is the first one in the chain) is where
the spammers passed their garbage to Earthlink - and the Earthlink
server accepted it based on the "envelope-from" address. After that,
it's all valid exchanges up the chain - no way for the list server to
know that it's spam.

If all servers validated the "envelope-from" addresses against the
sending IP at transaction time, the spam problem would disappear
immediately. The mechanisms to do this are in place (all major servers
such as Google use so-called SPF records), but... there are millions of
mail servers in the world, and 99%+ of them are *not* run by
technically-competent people.


Ben
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