[PUB] Spread Eagle, NW1

2003-01-28 Thread Joel Bernstein
I liked this pub. No music, few fruit machines, good (Young's) beer
including Winter Warmer on tap and (bottled, of course) Double Chocolate
Stout. The Hamster race was bizarre, to say the least, but I liked the pub.
Oh, and it's only about 4 minutes stagger from Wagamama, which was closed by
the time we got there.

The pub is on the corner of Parkway and Albert Rd, about 4 or 5 minutes walk
from the tube. Plenty of seating, friendly bar-staff. I saw 3 or 4 different
lagers, Guinness, 3 or 4 bitters on tap, and of course Double Chocolate
Stout.

I don't think it would be suitable for a pubmeet (possibly too far North, no
food, didn't see a function room, and the toilets are downstairs (not good
for disabled people) but I recommend it as a nice place to drink in Camden.
Yeah. *rubs head in disbelief at his hangover*

Sorry this isn't more comprehensive, but I was quite drunk last night.

/joel




Re: [PUB] Spread Eagle, NW1

2003-01-28 Thread Peter Sergeant
 I liked this pub. No music, few fruit machines, good (Young's) beer
 including Winter Warmer on tap and (bottled, of course) Double Chocolate
 Stout. The Hamster race was bizarre, to say the least, but I liked the pub.
 Oh, and it's only about 4 minutes stagger from Wagamama, which was closed by
 the time we got there.

What's wrong with fruit machines? Some of us (well, perhaps just me) are
attracted to the beautiful, hypnotic lights, and the voices that whisper
Play with me, play with me, and win frequent, 'moral' victories over
them, while learning the true value of money. 

+Pete




Re: [PUB] Spread Eagle, NW1

2003-01-28 Thread Lusercop
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 09:22:39AM +, Joel Bernstein wrote:
 The pub is on the corner of Parkway and Albert Rd, about 4 or 5 minutes walk
 St.

Only problem for me is that it's the pub where my parents drink, and it
used to be a whole lot nastier than it is now :-)

-- 
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Drink for Peace? [[was: [PUB] Spread Eagle, NW1]]

2003-01-28 Thread alex

here's an additional suggestion: 

how about we meet up for drinks after attending the Stop the
War rally [1] on February 15th. who would like to propose some venues
(after 5:30 in the hyde park vicinity)?

yes, i am cheekily introducing a charged, political sub-thread, but hey,
if we have enough CFT for regular pub meets, maybe we should also use it
do our bit for world peace.

flames to Dave Null

alex (who doesn't actually want to start a lengthy discussion on the
war/non-war)

[1] http://www.stopwar.org.uk

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Re: [PUB] Spread Eagle, NW1

2003-01-28 Thread Ben
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 09:22:39AM +, Joel Bernstein wrote:
 
 The pub is on the corner of Parkway and Albert Rd, about 4 or 5 minutes walk
 from the tube. Plenty of seating, friendly bar-staff. I saw 3 or 4 different
 lagers, Guinness, 3 or 4 bitters on tap, and of course Double Chocolate
 Stout.

And, of course, a london.pm'er behind the bar!
 
 I don't think it would be suitable for a pubmeet (possibly too far North, no
 food, didn't see a function room, and the toilets are downstairs (not good
 for disabled people) but I recommend it as a nice place to drink in Camden.

I agree. It also can get very full. Camden is probably too far North for a 
pubmeet. Which is a shame, as there are some good pubs outside the Circle Line.

Ben




Re: [PUB] Spread Eagle, NW1

2003-01-28 Thread Dave Cross

From: Peter Sergeant [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 1/28/03 10:01:38 AM

 What's wrong with fruit machines? Some of us (well, perhaps

 just me) are attracted to the beautiful, hypnotic lights, 
 and the voices that whisper Play with me, play with me, 
 and win frequent, 'moral' victories over them, while 
 learning the true value of money. 

Ah, but most of us (being programmers) can do the maths and know
that in the long term you will always money.

This pretty much destroys any interest in playing :)

Dave...
-- 
http://www.dave.org.uk

Let me see you make decisions, without your television
   - Depeche Mode (Stripped)








Re: Drink for Peace? [[was: [PUB] Spread Eagle, NW1]]

2003-01-28 Thread Dave Cross

From: alex [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 1/28/03 10:26:50 AM

 here's an additional suggestion: 

 how about we meet up for drinks after attending the Stop 
 the War rally [1] on February 15th. who would like to 
 propose some venues (after 5:30 in the hyde park 
 vicinity)?

Excellent idea. Why not meet up beforehand? We could be one of
those big groups on the match - with a banner. Perl Mongers
for Peace or something like that :)

 yes, i am cheekily introducing a charged, political 
 sub-thread, but hey, if we have enough CFT for regular pub
 meets, maybe we should also use it do our bit for world 
 peace.

Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

flames to Dave Null

Who he?

 alex (who doesn't actually want to start a lengthy 
 discussion on the war/non-war)

Oh :( Can we? Please.

 [1] http://www.stopwar.org.uk

Dave...

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Let me see you make decisions, without your television
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Re: Drink for Peace? [[was: [PUB] Spread Eagle, NW1]]

2003-01-28 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 10:36, Dave Cross wrote:
 From: alex [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 1/28/03 10:26:50 AM
 
  here's an additional suggestion: 
 
  how about we meet up for drinks after attending the Stop 
  the War rally [1] on February 15th. who would like to 
  propose some venues (after 5:30 in the hyde park 
  vicinity)?
 
 Excellent idea. Why not meet up beforehand? We could be one of
 those big groups on the match - with a banner. Perl Mongers
 for Peace or something like that :)

There was a bloke on Radio 4 bemoaning there the fact there didn't seem
to be a group for him to demo with, there wasn't a straight white
middle aged bloke group.

There is now.



-- 
Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]





Re: Drink for Peace? [[was: [PUB] Spread Eagle, NW1]]

2003-01-28 Thread Roger Burton West
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 02:36:54AM -0800, Dave Cross wrote:

Excellent idea. Why not meet up beforehand? We could be one of
those big groups on the match - with a banner. Perl Mongers
for Peace or something like that :)

Works for me.

Roger




Re: [PUB] Spread Eagle, NW1

2003-01-28 Thread the hatter
On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, Peter Sergeant wrote:

  I liked this pub. No music, few fruit machines, good (Young's) beer
  including Winter Warmer on tap and (bottled, of course) Double Chocolate
  Stout. The Hamster race was bizarre, to say the least, but I liked the pub.
  Oh, and it's only about 4 minutes stagger from Wagamama, which was closed by
  the time we got there.

 What's wrong with fruit machines? Some of us (well, perhaps just me) are
 attracted to the beautiful, hypnotic lights, and the voices that whisper
 Play with me, play with me,

Such stimuli are available from several other sources, at the right kind
of meet.

 and win frequent, 'moral' victories over them, while learning the true
 value of money.

Not so sure about the moral element of them, though.


the hatter





Re: Drink for Peace? [[was: [PUB] Spread Eagle, NW1]]

2003-01-28 Thread Alex Knowles
  here's an additional suggestion:
 
  how about we meet up for drinks after attending the Stop
  the War rally [1] on February 15th. who would like to
  propose some venues (after 5:30 in the hyde park
  vicinity)?

actually - i was gonna go to this - it would be nice to know some people
in case of legal trouble/tear gassing etc. (only half kidding) where are
you gonna meet?  and can i join you (if you're going that is)?

al



 Excellent idea. Why not meet up beforehand? We could be one of
 those big groups on the match - with a banner. Perl Mongers
 for Peace or something like that :)

  yes, i am cheekily introducing a charged, political
  sub-thread, but hey, if we have enough CFT for regular pub
  meets, maybe we should also use it do our bit for world
  peace.

 Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

 flames to Dave Null

 Who he?

  alex (who doesn't actually want to start a lengthy
  discussion on the war/non-war)

 Oh :( Can we? Please.

  [1] http://www.stopwar.org.uk

 Dave...

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 http://www.dave.org.uk

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Re: Drink for Peace? [[was: [PUB] Spread Eagle, NW1]]

2003-01-28 Thread alex

this was also roger's idea. yes, let's do it. 

london perl mongers for peace sounds really cool but i would also
respect the view that in terms of Perl Advocacy and gaining mindshare in
corporate land, having Perl associated with political ideology could be
doing the wider community a disservice. On the other hand, is anyone in
corporate land ever going to see such a banner (probably not).

but for my 2p, yes, a banner would be fab. are you volunteering dave? 

 
 Excellent idea. Why not meet up beforehand? We could be one of
 those big groups on the match - with a banner. Perl Mongers
 for Peace or something like that :)
 

I was thinking of somewhere around Trafalgar Square 12:15 unless other
people advise this as likely to be unreachable by public transport at this
time.

alex


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Re: [PUB] Spread Eagle, NW1

2003-01-28 Thread Joel Bernstein
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 10:01:38AM +, Peter Sergeant wrote:
  I liked this pub. No music, few fruit machines, good (Young's) beer
  including Winter Warmer on tap and (bottled, of course) Double Chocolate
  Stout. The Hamster race was bizarre, to say the least, but I liked the pub.
  Oh, and it's only about 4 minutes stagger from Wagamama, which was closed by
  the time we got there.
 
 What's wrong with fruit machines? Some of us (well, perhaps just me) are
 attracted to the beautiful, hypnotic lights, and the voices that whisper
 Play with me, play with me, and win frequent, 'moral' victories over
 them, while learning the true value of money. 

They flash and dazzle me, and they're always located on the edge of my
peripheral vision. I've no comment on the gambling aspect, I just dislike
the silly noises they make and the flashing.

/joel




Re: Drink for Peace? [[was: [PUB] Spread Eagle, NW1]]

2003-01-28 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 10:53, alex wrote:
 this was also roger's idea. yes, let's do it. 
 
 london perl mongers for peace sounds really cool but i would also
 respect the view that in terms of Perl Advocacy and gaining mindshare in
 corporate land, having Perl associated with political ideology could be
 doing the wider community a disservice. On the other hand, is anyone in
 corporate land ever going to see such a banner (probably not).
 
 but for my 2p, yes, a banner would be fab. are you volunteering dave? 

London Mongers for Peace?

Suitably ambiguous and aphasics will read mingers which will be
entirely apt.

-- 
Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]





Re: [PUB] Fitzroy Tavern, Fitzrovia

2003-01-28 Thread Alex McLintock
At 00:05 28/01/03, David H. Adler wrote:

On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 11:37:57AM +, Kate L Pugh wrote:
 A suggestion from Ben - the Fitzroy Tavern.  It's another Sam Smith's
 pub, but Ben says the beer is decent, so I'll leave him to defend that
 point of view.  It's on Charlotte Street, parallel to Tottenham Court Road:

Since you guys are in england, I suppose you wouldn't know this, but
it's also the location of the monthly Doctor Who meet. :-)

dha, likes Sam Smith beers, actually.



Didn't know there was one. I go to the regular science fiction book fan 
meeting which happens on the first Thursday of the month. (Bit of an 
irritating coincidence that).

It will also be worth going to Picocon at Imperial College on the 22 Feb 
which is also the same weekend as Redemption - a Blake's Seven Babylon Five 
convention *near* London, but not in it

There are several media gatherings which I don't really participate in 
including a reasonably regular Star Trek gathering which I heard was in 
Pages Bar, and there is a reasonably active Star Wars fanclub Delta Force 
(URL forgotten)

Del Cotter has started to collate UK based SF fan gatherings which may 
include a Dr Who pub meet. Try news:uk.people.sf-fans or 
http://www.branta.demon.co.uk/

PS I have lots of fantasy books which need reviewing for DiverseBooks.com too.

Alex McLintock



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Re: Drink for Peace? [[was: [PUB] Spread Eagle, NW1]]

2003-01-28 Thread Andy Wardley
 london perl mongers for peace sounds really cool but i would also
 respect the view that in terms of Perl Advocacy and gaining mindshare in
 corporate land, having Perl associated with political ideology could be
 doing the wider community a disservice. 

How about:

   London Peace Mongers

or

   JAPH: Just Another Peace Hacker

or

   #!/usr/bin/peace

or

   Java Sucks!  Perl Roolz!

(ok, that last one doesn't say much about peace, but it might get seen 
on telly and that in itself would be quite funny :-)

A





Re: [PUB] Spread Eagle, NW1

2003-01-28 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 02:29:56AM -0800, Dave Cross wrote:
 
 From: Peter Sergeant [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 1/28/03 10:01:38 AM
 
  What's wrong with fruit machines? Some of us (well, perhaps
 
  just me) are attracted to the beautiful, hypnotic lights, 
  and the voices that whisper Play with me, play with me, 
  and win frequent, 'moral' victories over them, while 
  learning the true value of money. 
 
 Ah, but most of us (being programmers) can do the maths and know
 that in the long term you will always money.

Money as a verb - what's the secret of your success Dave?

P

-- 
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If you build it, then welcome all squirrels!
   -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/




Re: [PUB] Spread Eagle, NW1

2003-01-28 Thread Dave Cross

From: Paul Makepeace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 1/28/03 1:49:53 PM

On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 02:29:56AM -0800, Dave Cross wrote:
 
 From: Peter Sergeant [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 1/28/03 10:01:38 AM
 
  What's wrong with fruit machines? Some of us (well, 
  perhaps just me) are attracted to the beautiful, 
  hypnotic lights, and the voices that whisper Play with
  me, play with me, and win frequent, 'moral' victories 
  over them, while learning the true value of money. 
 
 Ah, but most of us (being programmers) can do the maths 
 and know that in the long term you will always money.

 Money as a verb - what's the secret of your success Dave?

It's a good job that publishers employ proof readers and copy
editors :)

... you will always _lose_ money.

Dave...
[just happy that he wrote maths and not math]
-- 
http://www.dave.org.uk

Let me see you make decisions, without your television
   - Depeche Mode (Stripped)








Re: Drink for Peace? [[was: [PUB] Spread Eagle, NW1]]

2003-01-28 Thread Toby|Wintrmute
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 02:36:54AM -0800, Dave Cross wrote:
  how about we meet up for drinks after attending the Stop 
  the War rally [1] on February 15th. who would like to 
  propose some venues (after 5:30 in the hyde park 
  vicinity)?
 
 Excellent idea. Why not meet up beforehand? We could be one of
 those big groups on the match - with a banner. Perl Mongers
 for Peace or something like that :)

I'm definately up for that! Let me know i can help somehow, I still have CFT.




Re: [PUB] Fitzroy Tavern, Fitzrovia

2003-01-28 Thread Bob Walker
On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, Alex McLintock wrote:


 It will also be worth going to Picocon at Imperial College on the 22 Feb
 which is also the same weekend as Redemption - a Blake's Seven Babylon Five
 convention *near* London, but not in it

i noticed they clashed, at least we didnt clash with micrcon.

 PICOCON ADVERT

 This year Picocon 20 is on the 22nd February 2003 to be held at Imperial
 College, London, UK. We have two Guests of Honour: Jack Cohen and Gwyneth
 Jones.
 There will also be other events throughout the day, such as networked games
 and a pub-style quiz, and we will be showing a film in the evening. Picocon
 membership is £2.00 to ICSF members, £5.00 concessions (other students,
 DHSS, OAP), and £8.00 for everyone else. Admission to the film only is £3.50.
 For more information please see our web page at:
 http://www.su.ic.ac.uk/icsf/social/events/picocon_ 20.html or email me. In

http://www.su.ic.ac.uk/icsf/social/events/picocon_20.html
will be more helpful.

 particular, the web page will be updated as soon as we've confirmed the
 film we're showing. Alternatively, please feel free to contact me if you
 have any questions.


the rumour is that the film will be 12 monkeys.
also the main reason to coem of course is to drink cheap beer. but i could
be biased. :)

The rumour is also that picocon will have Peter F Hamiliton next year.

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RE: Drink for Peace? [[was: [PUB] Spread Eagle, NW1]]

2003-01-28 Thread Ivor Williams


On Tuesday, January 28, 2003 1:35 PM, Andy Wardley [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
wrote:
  london perl mongers for peace sounds really cool but i would also
  respect the view that in terms of Perl Advocacy and gaining mindshare in
  corporate land, having Perl associated with political ideology could be
  doing the wider community a disservice.

 How about:

London Peace Mongers

 or

JAPH: Just Another Peace Hacker

 or

#!/usr/bin/peace


Reminds me of a rule we used to have in the Makefile defaults:

love:
echo not war?

Ivor.





Re: Drink for Peace? [[was: [PUB] Spread Eagle, NW1]]

2003-01-28 Thread Roger Burton West
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 01:35:28PM +, Andy Wardley wrote:
How about:

   #!/usr/bin/peace

Ah, but in HippieCommieSympNix peace is in the /bin directory, as it's
an essential part of bringing up the system...

R




Re: Drink for Peace? [[was: [PUB] Spread Eagle, NW1]]

2003-01-28 Thread Lusercop
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 02:29:12PM -, Ivor Williams wrote:
 Reminds me of a rule we used to have in the Makefile defaults:
 love:
   echo not war?

Arrgggh!

-- 
Lusercop.net - LARTing Lusers everywhere since 2002




Re: Weird Money (was Re: YAPC::Europe)

2003-01-28 Thread Earle Martin
On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 02:31:55PM +, Nicholas Clark wrote:
  Do we know any London pubs I can spend the five US dollars I have?
 
 Hmm. Grubstreet doesn't (yet) list this information.

That's a good suggestion. If anyone has any knowledge of places (not just
pubs) that accept foreign currency of any kind, please do contribute it and
we  can set up a search category for it.



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[JOB] - MS stuff!!

2003-01-28 Thread Leo Lapworth
Sorry to taint the list but I thought some one out
there might be interested.

Foxtons has two perm technical roles available:

1) Technical Architect
--
http://leo.cuckoo.org/tmp/tech_arch.htm
(I've got it in word format for anyone who wants it!)

This role is basically my equivelant but running
internal CRM system and team, rather than the web.
- VB/COM/ASP / SQL Server 7/2000

2) Database Administrator (SQL Server 7/2000) 
-
http://leo.cuckoo.org/tmp/dba.htm
(again in word for those who want it)


Happy to answer questions off list if anyone wants
further info.

Both will be based in Chiswick - Gunnersbury Tube station.

If anyone is interested (please feel free to pass this
on to other people) drop me an email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
and I'll pass your CV on. 

Leo

p.s. I'll fess up - there is a prize draw for refering
people - hence wanting the cv's to come via me, I'll donate
some money to YAS if I win.

p.p.s I think the salaries are going to be fairly good
(I know they want the right people for these roles) but
I don't know the exact figures.




Re: Weird Money (was Re: YAPC::Europe)

2003-01-28 Thread Earle Martin
On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 07:37:53PM +0100, Paul Johnson wrote:
 Just about everything I get in my hotmail account is spam...
 And that address has never been publicly advertised by me anywhere, ever.

I signed up for a hotmail account recently so I could use MSN Messenger to
talk to some people. Spam started arriving within a day, despite my never
having used the account, and having made sure that I wasn't listed in any
'directory' (read: spam harvester's delight) of theirs. This suggests to me
that there is something deeply fucked about hotmail at a profound level.



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Re: Drink for Peace? [[was: [PUB] Spread Eagle, NW1]]

2003-01-28 Thread Jonathan Peterson


Lusercop wrote:

On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 02:29:12PM -, Ivor Williams wrote:


Reminds me of a rule we used to have in the Makefile defaults:
love:
	echo not war?



Arrgggh!


I liked the earlier versions of AIX (among others) where the default 
error for make was 'don't know how to make [foo]' thus:

$ make love
don't know how to make love
$

Which always seemed kind of sad to me.


--
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Technical Manager, Unified Ltd, +44 (0)20 7383 6092
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: [PUB] Spread Eagle, NW1

2003-01-28 Thread robin szemeti
On Tuesday 28 January 2003 13:49, Paul Makepeace wrote:

  Ah, but most of us (being programmers) can do the maths and know
  that in the long term you will always money.

 Money as a verb - what's the secret of your success Dave?

there was an implicit 'lose' in there. these days whenver people mention 
money it is taken as read that you will be losing it.

q.v. dotcom revolution.

-- 
Robin Szemeti




Re: Drink for Peace? [[was: [PUB] Spread Eagle, NW1]]

2003-01-28 Thread Lusercop
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 03:31:47PM +, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
 Lusercop wrote:
 On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 02:29:12PM -, Ivor Williams wrote:
 Reminds me of a rule we used to have in the Makefile defaults:
 love:
 echo not war?
 Arrgggh!
 I liked the earlier versions of AIX (among others) where the default 
 error for make was 'don't know how to make [foo]' thus:
 $ make love
 don't know how to make love
 $
 Which always seemed kind of sad to me.

This is of course, just like those lovely csh tricks. It seems that on
FreeBSD -STABLE, the error message is make: don't know how to make %s.
I was hoping for something more like the GNU make:
| $ make -f /dev/null chinese-embassy
| make: *** No rule to make target `chinese-embassy'.  Stop.

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Re: Drink for Peace? [[was: [PUB] Spread Eagle, NW1]]

2003-01-28 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 10:26:50AM +, alex wrote:
 how about we meet up for drinks after attending the Stop the
 War rally [1] on February 15th. who would like to propose some venues
 (after 5:30 in the hyde park vicinity)?

What a jolly good idea.

I've always wanted to turn up to something like that with a Fascists for
Peace or suchlike banner ;-)

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Re: Weird Money (was Re: YAPC::Europe)

2003-01-28 Thread Jody Belka
Earle Martin said:
 I signed up for a hotmail account recently so I could use MSN Messenger
 to talk to some people.

You don't actually need a hotmail account to use msn messenger though. A
passport is enough to do the job, so when i finally closed down my hotmail
account last year i just created a new passport using an email address in
my own domain.

Jody






Re: Weird Money (was Re: YAPC::Europe)

2003-01-28 Thread Peter Sergeant
 I signed up for a hotmail account recently so I could use MSN Messenger to
 talk to some people. Spam started arriving within a day, despite my never
 having used the account, and having made sure that I wasn't listed in any
 'directory' (read: spam harvester's delight) of theirs. This suggests to me
 that there is something deeply fucked about hotmail at a profound level.

Weirdly, my old hotmail account is fairly well publicised, and I get
minimal spam... Did you pick a particularly easy-to-generate username?
I'm under the impression some spammers just send to $[EMAIL PROTECTED]
where $word comes from any number of sources...

+Pete




Re: Drink for Peace? [[was: [PUB] Spread Eagle, NW1]]

2003-01-28 Thread Steve Mynott
From: David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 10:26:50AM +, alex wrote:
  how about we meet up for drinks after attending the Stop the
  War rally [1] on February 15th. who would like to propose some venues
  (after 5:30 in the hyde park vicinity)?
 
 What a jolly good idea.
 
 I've always wanted to turn up to something like that with a Fascists for
 Peace or suchlike banner ;-)

They probably exist from appeasement anti-war demos of the late 1930s.

Wouldn't a Baath party banner be more suitable today?

:-

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How to split 6 digits into 3 lots of 2

2003-01-28 Thread Phil Pereira
Hey all,

I heard there were a few people here who knew a bit about Perl :)

Is there an easy way to split 123456 into 12-34-56?

I've been splitting with a basic // into an array, and then printing 2 array elements 
at a time, sorta like:

$array[0] . $array[1] 

So - is there an easier way?

Thanks in advance.

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it's just picky about its friends!\/, \(
 cXc_/_)
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Re: How to split 6 digits into 3 lots of 2

2003-01-28 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 11:22:48PM +, Phil Pereira wrote:
 Is there an easy way to split 123456 into 12-34-56?

$ perl -lne 'print $1-$2-$3 if /(\d\d)(\d\d)(\d\d)/'
123456
12-34-56
$

This should start a good TIMTOWTDI thread :)

Paul

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What is six pence halfpenny? Two cabbages and a giraffe.
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Re: How to split 6 digits into 3 lots of 2

2003-01-28 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 11:35:29PM +, Paul Makepeace wrote:
 On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 11:22:48PM +, Phil Pereira wrote:
  Is there an easy way to split 123456 into 12-34-56?
 
 $ perl -lne 'print $1-$2-$3 if /(\d\d)(\d\d)(\d\d)/'
 123456
 12-34-56
 $
 
 This should start a good TIMTOWTDI thread :)

If you insist:

echo 123456 | perl -lne 'print join -, /../g'

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Re: How to split 6 digits into 3 lots of 2

2003-01-28 Thread Jody Belka
Paul Johnson said:
 On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 11:35:29PM +, Paul Makepeace wrote:
 On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 11:22:48PM +, Phil Pereira wrote:
  Is there an easy way to split 123456 into 12-34-56?

 $ perl -lne 'print $1-$2-$3 if /(\d\d)(\d\d)(\d\d)/'
 123456
 12-34-56
 $

 This should start a good TIMTOWTDI thread :)

 If you insist:

 echo 123456 | perl -lne 'print join -, /../g'

Or just for fun:

echo 123456 | perl -lne 'print join -, unpack a2a2a2, $_'


Jody






Re: How to split 6 digits into 3 lots of 2

2003-01-28 Thread Damian Conway
Paul Johnson wrote:


 If you insist:

echo 123456 | perl -lne 'print join -, /../g'


Are you *mad*?! Do you think keystrokes grow on *trees*??!!
There's about to be a war on, you know! Start conserving those
characters now, citizen!

  echo 123456 | perl -ple's/..(?=.)/$-/g'


;-)

Damian





Re: How to split 6 digits into 3 lots of 2

2003-01-28 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 04:35:46PM -0800, Damian Conway wrote:
 Paul Johnson wrote:
 
  If you insist:
 
 echo 123456 | perl -lne 'print join -, /../g'
 
 Are you *mad*?! Do you think keystrokes grow on *trees*??!!
 There's about to be a war on, you know! Start conserving those
 characters now, citizen!
 
   echo 123456 | perl -ple's/..(?=.)/$-/g'

Hmm, time to whip out the mind-twisting metacharacters,

echo 123456 | perl -ple's/..\B/$-/g'

Patriotically yours,
Paul

-- 
Paul Makepeace ... http://paulm.com/

What is the swirly thing in my coffee trying to tell me? If higher,
 then fewer.
   -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/




Re: How to split 6 digits into 3 lots of 2

2003-01-28 Thread Damian Conway
Paul Makepeace wrote:


Hmm, time to whip out the mind-twisting metacharacters,

echo 123456 | perl -ple's/..\B/$-/g'


 Patriotically yours,
 Paul

Well done, thet mahn! See cheps, thets the spirit! Aht this rayte we'll
jolly well heve Johnny Foreigner orn the bally wropes in noh tahme! Tally ho!

Damian





SQL switcheroo

2003-01-28 Thread Paul Makepeace
I'd like to switch the values of a field in two rows.
1-2 while 2-1, say.

I have a table containing:

= select * from pageplans order by rank;
 id | parent | child | rank | loopable | required
++---+--+--+--
  3 |  2 | 5 |1 | f| t
  5 |  2 | 7 |2 | f| t
 14 |  2 | 3 |3 | t| f
  2 |  2 | 4 |4 | f| t

[etc]

So there are a bunch of things order by rank. I'd like to implement a
move up/down in SQL. So say the target was id=20 moving up, I'd like its
rank to become 1, and id=10's rank to become 2.

Basically I need a simultaneous update, set rank=rank+1, set rank=rank-1
What I'd like to avoid is having to perform a select to pull out the ids
of the two rows (where rank=? or rank=?+1)

Any ideas?

So far I select out the two rows, and then perform two updates (eww!).
Despite this sledge-hammer approach, it's still quite complicated.

# Originally just looked at rank+1, rank-1 but this is more
# resilient to gaps in rank (1,2,4,..)
all_pageplan_id_and_next_by_rank = qq{
select id, rank
from pageplans
where parent=:1
and (rank=:2
 or  rank=(select min(rank)
   from pageplans
   where rank  :2))
order by rank
},
# other one similarly (min - max,  - )

sub switch_rank_at {
my ($dir, $parent_id, $rank) = @_;
begin_work;
my $id_ranks = $dir eq 'up' ?
all_pageplan_id_and_prev_by_rank($parent_id, $rank) :
all_pageplan_id_and_next_by_rank($parent_id, $rank);
# flip 'em. Note the 0 / 1 positions.
update_pageplans('rank', $id_ranks-[1]{rank}, $id_ranks-[0]{id});
update_pageplans('rank', $id_ranks-[0]{rank}, $id_ranks-[1]{id});
commit;
}

Paul

PS All hail PostgreSQL for allowing even this!

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What is free will? Not today.
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Re: Drink for Peace? [[was: [PUB] Spread Eagle, NW1]]

2003-01-28 Thread Chris Devers
On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, Jonathan Peterson wrote:

 I liked the earlier versions of AIX (among others) where the default
 error for make was 'don't know how to make [foo]' thus:

 $ make love
 don't know how to make love
 $

 Which always seemed kind of sad to me.

Googling for funny unix commands turns up many, many hits.

Excerpts from the first one:

% make fire
 Make:  Don't know how to make fire.  Stop.

% why not?
 No match.

% gotta light?
 No match.

% !1984
 1984: Event not found.  # (on some systems)

% How's my lovemaking?
 Unmatched '.

% How would you rate Bush's incompetence?
 Unmatched .

% [Where is Jimmy Hoffa?
 Missing ].

% [Where is my brain?
 Missing ].

% ^How did the sex change^ operation go?
 Modifier failed.

% ^How did the sex change operation go?
 Bad substitute.

% If I had a ( for every $ Congress spent, what would I have?
 Too many ('s.

% man: why did you get a divorce?
 man:: Too many arguments.

% scan for Arnold Schwarzenegger^J^D
 Arnold Schwarzenegger:  terminator not found

% cat 'the can of tuna'
 cat: cannot open the can of tuna

% rm Quayle-brains
 rm: Quayle-brains nonexistent

% cat door: paws too slippery
 cat: cannot open door: paws too slippery

% look into my eyes
 look: cannot open my eyes

% talk Gorvachev@Kremlin
 talk: Kremlin: Can't figure out network address.

% talk Comrade Khruchev
 [Your party is not logged on]

% echo '[q]sa[ln0=aln256%Pln256/snlbx]sb3135071790101768542287578439snlbxq'|dc
 GET A LIFE!

% ping elvis.rice.edu | awk '{print substr($1,1,5), $2, $3}'
 elvis is alive

http://www.lns.cornell.edu/~pvhp/perl/unix.html

There were many, many others on that page. More still on other pages.

It's a little like The Onion -- very funny at first, but repetitive and
slightly boring after a few minutes. As opposed to, say, The Big
Lebowski, which never gets old :)



-- 
Chris Devers[EMAIL PROTECTED]

pun moratorium, n.
The doomed campaign to deoxymoronize computer humor.

In particular, the vain attempt to demonstrate that plays on words such
as RISC and UNIX are unfunny if the player is unaware of their
historically built-in playfulness. Other puns assinorum deserving a
well-earned retirement relate PARADIGM, Paradise, and ten sents in
boringly obvious ways: Paradigms Lost and Regained, Brother, can you
s'paradigm? and so on. Likewise, the cash/CACHE thing is surely
bankrupt: Cache-only memory, no checks. Be assured, too, that every
known C homophone has had its weary, C-sick day at the C-Users
Journal's annual C-pun contest: C-through UNIX, C'est C Bon, Holy C,
Proficient C, Vitamin C, O say can you C? e = mC^2, Variations in C,
C-C Rider, Rauchen C?, The Cruel C from Cmantec, Mer-C Beaucoup... ad
nau-C-am.

One of Western Democracy's major flaws is that we cannot, without
pettifogging legal interference, publically hang, draw, and quarter
C-punsters.

-- from _The Computer Contradictionary_, Stan Kelly-Bootle, 1995