My New Job (Was: Social Thurs 8 Jan 2009)

2009-01-05 Thread David Dorward

Nicholas Clark wrote:

So we will all have to ask you what it's like...

Is it a company on this list?   http://london.pm.org/advocacy/
  

No, its a, um, er, Django shop.

--
David Dorward
http://dorward.me.uk/



Re: Social Thurs 8 Jan 2009

2009-01-05 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 09:16:53AM +, David Dorward wrote:
 David Dorward wrote:
 Hmm, I think that is on the way home from the job I start on Monday. 
 Nice choice :)
 No! My brain is not functioning! The 8th is before next Monday!

Your heretical brain thinks that there should be a social on the 3rd
Thursday of the month?

Or your ultra-orthodox brain thinks that there should be a social on every
Thursday of the month? :-)

[I can't think of any useful signal to add to the noise, so I'll pretend that
I have some by linking to this very nice picture of a very nice looking pie
that Billy took and made (respectively, but probably not in that order):

  http://flickr.com/photos/cowfish/3137913195/

It's even labeled, in case you have trouble identifying what it is.]


Nicholas Clark


Re: My New Job (Was: Social Thurs 8 Jan 2009)

2009-01-05 Thread Tony Kennick
On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 02:56:02PM +,
the following was promulgated by Jasper:

 Cycling in London isn't bad, as long as you don't do anything stupid,
 like riding up the inside of a large lorry where the driver can't see
 you. You do get the odd shit of a bus driver, too.
 
I think everyone should start thinking about road use in terms more similar to
the maritime 'rules of the road'[1]. As all the sympathies I build up for
cyclists as a driver get blown away about once every six months when as
a pedestrian I have to take emergency action to not be flattened by a
nutter.

[1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Regulations_for_Preventing_Collisions_at_Sea

-- 
Tony Kennick
Web: http://www.pint.org.uk/ Blog: http://blog.pint.org.uk/ 
Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/thegreatgonzo/


Re: My New Job (Was: Social Thurs 8 Jan 2009)

2009-01-05 Thread Jasper
2009/1/5 Paul Makepeace pa...@paulm.com:
 On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Roger Burton West ro...@firedrake.org wrote:

 On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 02:13:48PM +, Paul Makepeace wrote:

 Get a bicycle or a scooter. Do your level best in the meantime to ignore any
 commentary from anyone who hasn't actually ridden in London.

 Seconded. Advice from a relatively new cyclist on request, or distilled
 at http://firedrake.org/roger/cycling/ .

 Cool. As a two-time Strida owner I can assure you they are most
 certainly _not_ gimmick bikes, esp. considering they've won a whole
 bunch of folding competitions beating Bromptons for folding speed
 (2s), maneuvrability, and something else I forget. I rode from West
 Hampstead to Mayfair (i.e. non-trivial distance) the other night, and
 can take it on buses, tubes, and trains with never any hassle, esp
 since they weigh 10kg. The newer Strida 5 is a nice improvement over
 its already-decent-but-slightly-sloppy previous incarnation.

I used a Brompton solidly for a year, and while it was heavy, and had
a very close-up riding position, which took a while to get used to, I
liked it a lot. Until I made the terrible mistake of buying a
large-ish motorcycle, and each time I get on the Brompton now I am
utterly terrified. It feels tiny and ridiculously flimsy.

Cycling in London isn't bad, as long as you don't do anything stupid,
like riding up the inside of a large lorry where the driver can't see
you. You do get the odd shit of a bus driver, too.

Jasper


Re: My New Job (Was: Social Thurs 8 Jan 2009)

2009-01-05 Thread David Dorward

Sue Spence wrote:
I'm just kidding of course.  Congrats. 

Thanks

Work is good, and so are new experiences
I'm going to experience the Circle Line at rush hour for the first time. 
Is that good?


--
David Dorward
http://dorward.me.uk/


Re: My New Job (Was: Social Thurs 8 Jan 2009)

2009-01-05 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Simon Wilcox es...@ourshack.com wrote:
 Robert Shiels wrote:

 I would love to have a go on a Strida so that I could give an opinion -

 I had a go on Paul's a few years ago and even though I'm only a couple of
 inches taller than he is (I'm 6' 4) it made a huge amount of difference,
 from really useful to very unstable with my knees knocking on the handlebars
 when cornering.

I actually learnt something slightly counter-intuitive when I got my
second one and was having the seat height adjusted which is that a
lower seat is a bit better for taller people (on this bike) so you get
knee-room. The cost of course is that your legs ride in a more folded
position--may or may not be a problem.

The guy that designed the Strida is 6'1. That said, you might just be too big!

Next time I'm in London at a social I'll bring it along for anyone
else 6'4 ;-)

Paul, only 6'

PS Brompton's are great; I didn't meant to suggest otherwise--my
personal take is that if you are regularly riding 'proper' distances
like 3mi and/or carrying luggage you probably want a Brompton. The
Strida's use case is IMO more towards getting to/from the
Tube/train/bus stop, buzzing around short-ish distances, but _can_ do
longer distances if you need it.

 Which is a shame as I loved it in all other respects, nice and stable in a
 straight line, folds up really easily just couldn't go round corners whilst
 pedalling.

 YMMV etc etc.

 S.



Re: My New Job (Was: Social Thurs 8 Jan 2009)

2009-01-05 Thread Peter Corlett

On 5 Jan 2009, at 14:13, Paul Makepeace wrote:
[...]
Get a bicycle or a scooter. Do your level best in the meantime to  
ignore any

commentary from anyone who hasn't actually ridden in London.


Although if one is built like a typical programmer note that Notting  
Hill is actually on top of a hill, and it's not just a pretty place  
name.


Also, I would assume that the journey doesn't actually start in  
Waterloo, but on an incoming South West Cattletruck service, which  
limits you to a Brompton rather than a real (motor|push)bike.





Re: My New Job (Was: Social Thurs 8 Jan 2009)

2009-01-05 Thread Denny
On Mon, 2009-01-05 at 14:13 +, Paul Makepeace wrote:
 Get a bicycle or a scooter. Do your level best in the meantime to ignore any
 commentary from anyone who hasn't actually ridden in London.
 
 P, one minor accident in six years; 6,000+miles covered; god knows how much
 time saved

I was extremely surprised the first few times I rode a motorbike through
central London.  Turns out drivers here often have far better awareness
of the presence of two-wheelers, and are far more likely to helpfully
move over / provide small gaps for you to sneak through / etc, than
those in any of the other (large and small) towns I'd ridden in
previously.

That said, there are still plenty of blind / homicidal drivers out there
too, so it's still best to keep your eyes wide open and your cynicism
turned up to 11.



Re: My New Job (Was: Social Thurs 8 Jan 2009)

2009-01-05 Thread James Laver
On 2009-01-05 13:06, David Dorward da...@dorward.me.uk wrote:

 Sue Spence wrote:
 I'm just kidding of course.  Congrats.
 Thanks
 Work is good, and so are new experiences
 I'm going to experience the Circle Line at rush hour for the first time.
 Is that good?

It certainly qualifies as an experience...*

Take a good book, make sure your headphones are in working order and get
ready to elbow...

--James

*Perhaps topped only by trying to catch the waterloo drain at 10 to 9 in the
morning




Re: My New Job (Was: Social Thurs 8 Jan 2009)

2009-01-05 Thread Peter Corlett

On 5 Jan 2009, at 13:06, David Dorward wrote:
[...]
I'm going to experience the Circle Line at rush hour for the first  
time. Is that good?


That lovely yellow circle on the Tube map looks awfully convenient to  
get around central London, but don't be tempted. What with passenger  
incidents, broken-down trains, lack of staff, signal failures, and  
whatnot, I'd be astonished if you even get to *see* a Circle Line  
train at rush hour.


If you still persist in trying to catch one, I've got some goose  
grease and a shoe horn which will aid you in boarding. I don't need it  
now I'm CFT-enabled and don't need to go to Canary Wharf.


I *strongly* suggest you look for a different route. TfL's route  
planner comes up with sensible routings once you disable busses. (When  
enabled, it seems to prefer to route people via bus where possible,  
presumably for traffic engineering or revenue maximisation reasons.)





Re: My New Job (Was: Social Thurs 8 Jan 2009)

2009-01-05 Thread Roger Burton West
On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 02:13:48PM +, Paul Makepeace wrote:

Get a bicycle or a scooter. Do your level best in the meantime to ignore any
commentary from anyone who hasn't actually ridden in London.

Seconded. Advice from a relatively new cyclist on request, or distilled
at http://firedrake.org/roger/cycling/ .

Roger


Re: My New Job (Was: Social Thurs 8 Jan 2009)

2009-01-05 Thread Robert Shiels

Paul Makepeace wrote:

 Cool. As a two-time Strida owner I can assure you they are most
 certainly _not_ gimmick bikes, esp. considering they've won a whole
 bunch of folding competitions beating Bromptons for folding speed

I would love to have a go on a Strida so that I could give an opinion - 
they don't look quite sturdy enough to me. I rode 10 miles a day for 2 
years on a Brompton before it was so knackered it needed a real service, 
and heartily recommend them. They have a great resale value too - a 
friend just sold his on ebay for more than he paid for it.


/R




Re: My New Job (Was: Social Thurs 8 Jan 2009)

2009-01-05 Thread Simon Wilcox

Robert Shiels wrote:
I would love to have a go on a Strida so that I could give an opinion - 


I had a go on Paul's a few years ago and even though I'm only a couple 
of inches taller than he is (I'm 6' 4) it made a huge amount of 
difference, from really useful to very unstable with my knees knocking 
on the handlebars when cornering.


Which is a shame as I loved it in all other respects, nice and stable in 
a straight line, folds up really easily just couldn't go round corners 
whilst pedalling.


YMMV etc etc.

S.


Re: My New Job (Was: Social Thurs 8 Jan 2009)

2009-01-05 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 1:53 PM, David Dorward da...@dorward.me.uk wrote:

 Peter Corlett wrote:

 I *strongly* suggest you look for a different route. TfL's route planner
 comes up with sensible routings once you disable busses. (When enabled, it
 seems to prefer to route people via bus where possible, presumably for
 traffic engineering or revenue maximisation reasons.)

 The alternatives would be, IIRC, to take the N. Line to TCR then change to
 the central line, or to take the Jubilee from Waterloo and get to the
 central line from there. (Target: Notting Hill Gate).


Get a bicycle or a scooter. Do your level best in the meantime to ignore any
commentary from anyone who hasn't actually ridden in London.

P, one minor accident in six years; 6,000+miles covered; god knows how much
time saved




 --
 David Dorward
 http://dorward.me.uk/



Re: My New Job (Was: Social Thurs 8 Jan 2009)

2009-01-05 Thread Dave Hodgkinson


On 5 Jan 2009, at 15:36, Jasper wrote:

2009/1/5 Tony Kennick 0995a06aaeaf6b70e79c3aafd6719...@half.pint.org.uk 
:

On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 02:56:02PM +,
the following was promulgated by Jasper:

Cycling in London isn't bad, as long as you don't do anything  
stupid,
like riding up the inside of a large lorry where the driver can't  
see

you. You do get the odd shit of a bus driver, too.


I think everyone should start thinking about road use in terms more  
similar to
the maritime 'rules of the road'[1]. As all the sympathies I build  
up for
cyclists as a driver get blown away about once every six months  
when as

a pedestrian I have to take emergency action to not be flattened by a
nutter.


Agreed. I'm always tempted to clothesline idiots blasting through
pedestrian crossings at speed.



Saw a lovely autolart at Oxford Circus before Christmas. Pedestrians
milling across the road against the lights, eejit cyclist piles through,
catches a woman's heel. His bike somersaulted and skidded down the
but he just ended up standing in the road bikeless. And he *knew*
he'd have been lynched if he'd got arsey.

--
Dave HodgkinsonMSN: daveh...@hotmail.com
Site: http://www.davehodgkinson.com  UK: +44 7768 490620
Blog: http://davehodg.blogspot.com
Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/davehodg









Re: My New Job (Was: Social Thurs 8 Jan 2009)

2009-01-05 Thread Jasper
2009/1/5 Tony Kennick 0995a06aaeaf6b70e79c3aafd6719...@half.pint.org.uk:
 On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 02:56:02PM +,
 the following was promulgated by Jasper:

 Cycling in London isn't bad, as long as you don't do anything stupid,
 like riding up the inside of a large lorry where the driver can't see
 you. You do get the odd shit of a bus driver, too.

 I think everyone should start thinking about road use in terms more similar to
 the maritime 'rules of the road'[1]. As all the sympathies I build up for
 cyclists as a driver get blown away about once every six months when as
 a pedestrian I have to take emergency action to not be flattened by a
 nutter.

Agreed. I'm always tempted to clothesline idiots blasting through
pedestrian crossings at speed.

-- 
Jasper


Re: Social Thurs 8 Jan 2009

2009-01-05 Thread David Dorward

Nicholas Clark wrote:

Your heretical brain thinks that there should be a social on the 3rd
Thursday of the month?
  
No, it thought that the Thursday after the first Wednesday of this month 
takes place in a week and a half's time.

Or your ultra-orthodox brain thinks that there should be a social on every
Thursday of the month? :-)
  

Well, that too.

[I can't think of any useful signal to add to the noise, so I'll pretend that
I have some by linking to this very nice picture of a very nice looking pie
  http://flickr.com/photos/cowfish/3137913195/
  

Needs more desert.

http://flickr.com/photos/dorward/2425869445/

--
David Dorward
http://dorward.me.uk/


Re: My New Job (Was: Social Thurs 8 Jan 2009)

2009-01-05 Thread David Dorward

Peter Corlett wrote:
Although if one is built like a typical programmer note that Notting 
Hill is actually on top of a hill, and it's not just a pretty place name.

Eeep. :)

Also, I would assume that the journey doesn't actually start in 
Waterloo, but on an incoming South West Cattletruck service, which 
limits you to a Brompton rather than a real (motor|push)bike.

South Eastern. It's the London Bridge - Waterloo East - Charing Cross route.

--
David Dorward


Re: My New Job (Was: Social Thurs 8 Jan 2009)

2009-01-05 Thread Peter Corlett

On 5 Jan 2009, at 14:17, Joel Bernstein wrote:
[...]

Rush hour on the deeplying tube lines is harmful to sanity.


Be tall, large, wearing lots of black, carry earplugs and a solid  
book, and not be afraid to trample over people to get a seat, then  
they're just fine.


If you think the deep-level lines are bad, try the City-bound platform  
at Fulham Broadway at 8am.


(Ahh, that's one perk of being CFT-enabled.)




Re: My New Job (Was: Social Thurs 8 Jan 2009)

2009-01-05 Thread Struan Donald
* at 05/01 14:39 + Paul Makepeace said:
 If you're going multi-modal folding bikes are the only way to go, IMO.
 (I've heard awful things about Dahon though, btw.)
 
 FWIW: I had a terrible experience with Bikefix, to the point of having
 me give them another, rhyming name...

The advice I had from my brother who works in a bike shop was to buy
a Brompton. He'd seen too many of the other makes they stocked come
back broken.

s


Re: Social Thurs 8 Jan 2009

2009-01-05 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 09:02:05AM +, David Dorward wrote:
 Edmund von der Burg wrote:
 Where are we going then?
 
 I've always liked this place:
 http://london.pm.org/meetings/locations/antelope.html
   
 Hmm, I think that is on the way home from the job I start on Monday. 
 Nice choice :)

So we will all have to ask you what it's like...

Is it a company on this list?   http://london.pm.org/advocacy/

Nicholas Clark


Re: My New Job (Was: Social Thurs 8 Jan 2009)

2009-01-05 Thread Randy J. Ray
 Work is good, and so are new experiences

 I'm going to experience the Circle Line at rush hour for the first time.
 Is that good?

 It certainly qualifies as an experience...*

Hmmm... in the sense, Experience is what you get, when you don't get what you
want.

-- 

Randy J. Ray  Sunnyvale, CA  http://www.rjray.org   rj...@blackperl.com

Silicon Valley Scale Modelers: http://www.svsm.org


Re: My New Job (Was: Social Thurs 8 Jan 2009)

2009-01-05 Thread Sue Spence
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 9:30 AM, David Dorward da...@dorward.me.uk wrote:
 Nicholas Clark wrote:

 So we will all have to ask you what it's like...

 Is it a company on this list?   http://london.pm.org/advocacy/


 No, its a, um, er, Django shop.



sharp intake of breath



I'm just kidding of course.  Congrats.  Work is good, and so are new
experiences.


Re: My New Job (Was: Social Thurs 8 Jan 2009)

2009-01-05 Thread David Dorward

Peter Corlett wrote:
I *strongly* suggest you look for a different route. TfL's route 
planner comes up with sensible routings once you disable busses. (When 
enabled, it seems to prefer to route people via bus where possible, 
presumably for traffic engineering or revenue maximisation reasons.)
The alternatives would be, IIRC, to take the N. Line to TCR then change 
to the central line, or to take the Jubilee from Waterloo and get to the 
central line from there. (Target: Notting Hill Gate).


--
David Dorward
http://dorward.me.uk/


Re: My New Job (Was: Social Thurs 8 Jan 2009)

2009-01-05 Thread Joel Bernstein
2009/1/5 David Dorward da...@dorward.me.uk:
 The alternatives would be, IIRC, to take the N. Line to TCR then change to
 the central line, or to take the Jubilee from Waterloo and get to the
 central line from there. (Target: Notting Hill Gate).

Have you considered a bicycle? Perhaps a folding one so you can take
the tube home if the weather's horrible?

Rush hour on the deeplying tube lines is harmful to sanity.

/joel


Re: Social Thurs 8 Jan 2009

2009-01-05 Thread David Dorward

David Dorward wrote:
Hmm, I think that is on the way home from the job I start on Monday. 
Nice choice :)

No! My brain is not functioning! The 8th is before next Monday!

!!

--
David Dorward
http://dorward.me.uk/


Re: My New Job (Was: Social Thurs 8 Jan 2009)

2009-01-05 Thread Piers Cawley
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Jasper jaspermcc...@gmail.com wrote:
 2009/1/5 Paul Makepeace pa...@paulm.com:
 On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Roger Burton West ro...@firedrake.org 
 wrote:

 On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 02:13:48PM +, Paul Makepeace wrote:

 Get a bicycle or a scooter. Do your level best in the meantime to ignore 
 any
 commentary from anyone who hasn't actually ridden in London.

 Seconded. Advice from a relatively new cyclist on request, or distilled
 at http://firedrake.org/roger/cycling/ .

 Cool. As a two-time Strida owner I can assure you they are most
 certainly _not_ gimmick bikes, esp. considering they've won a whole
 bunch of folding competitions beating Bromptons for folding speed
 (2s), maneuvrability, and something else I forget. I rode from West
 Hampstead to Mayfair (i.e. non-trivial distance) the other night, and
 can take it on buses, tubes, and trains with never any hassle, esp
 since they weigh 10kg. The newer Strida 5 is a nice improvement over
 its already-decent-but-slightly-sloppy previous incarnation.

 I used a Brompton solidly for a year, and while it was heavy, and had
 a very close-up riding position, which took a while to get used to, I
 liked it a lot. Until I made the terrible mistake of buying a
 large-ish motorcycle, and each time I get on the Brompton now I am
 utterly terrified. It feels tiny and ridiculously flimsy.

 Cycling in London isn't bad, as long as you don't do anything stupid,
 like riding up the inside of a large lorry where the driver can't see
 you. You do get the odd shit of a bus driver, too.

If you're feeling like remaining smart and visible on your bike, you
might consider investing in something like
http://www.dashingtweeds.co.uk/dt/tailoredoutfits/?page_id=43. Haven't
you always wanted go glow in the dark while cycling in tweeds?


Re: Social Thurs 8 Jan 2009

2009-01-05 Thread Ovid
- Original Message 

 From: Edmund von der Burg edmund.vonderb...@gmail.com

 Hurrah!
 
 I'll be there.


I'll be there, too.  I've a bad habit of not checking my calendar.  I need to 
stop that, but a New Year's resolution is just made to be broken.  (This year, 
I resolve to wean myself from my dependency on oxygen.  There, broken.  Got 
that over with.  Of course, if I die within a year, I'll have kept my 
resolution.  Hmm ...)

Cheers,
Ovid
--
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Re: My New Job (Was: Social Thurs 8 Jan 2009)

2009-01-05 Thread Kieren Diment


On 06/01/2009, at 1:20 AM, Peter Corlett wrote:


On 5 Jan 2009, at 14:13, Paul Makepeace wrote:
[...]
Get a bicycle or a scooter. Do your level best in the meantime to  
ignore any

commentary from anyone who hasn't actually ridden in London.


Although if one is built like a typical programmer note that Notting  
Hill is actually on top of a hill, and it's not just a pretty place  
name.




Typical programmers come in two distinct groups - large, or wiry.  The  
muscle density on the wiry ones is actually quite high ;)


Re: Social Thurs 8 Jan 2009

2009-01-05 Thread Billy Abbott

On Mon, 5 Jan 2009, David Dorward wrote:


Nicholas Clark wrote:

Your heretical brain thinks that there should be a social on the 3rd
Thursday of the month?

No, it thought that the Thursday after the first Wednesday of this month 
takes place in a week and a half's time.

Or your ultra-orthodox brain thinks that there should be a social on every
Thursday of the month? :-)


Well, that too.
[I can't think of any useful signal to add to the noise, so I'll pretend 
that

I have some by linking to this very nice picture of a very nice looking pie
  http://flickr.com/photos/cowfish/3137913195/


Needs more desert.

http://flickr.com/photos/dorward/2425869445/


We had cake and crumble (not pictured):

http://flickr.com/photos/mondoagogo/3170119475/

(I like cake http://flickr.com/photos/cowfish/185568346/)

--billy

--
http://billyabbott.co.uk
A bored sysadmin is a dangerous beast...


Re: My New Job (Was: Social Thurs 8 Jan 2009)

2009-01-05 Thread Chris Jack

 On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 9:30 AM, David Dorward da...@dorward.me.uk wrote:
 No, its a, um, er, Django shop.
 
You wouldn't be a coffin-dragging gunslinger by any chance? 
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060315/
 
 
_
Are you a PC?  Upload your PC story and show the world 
http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/122465942/direct/01/

Re: My New Job (Was: Social Thurs 8 Jan 2009)

2009-01-05 Thread Peter Corlett

On 5 Jan 2009, at 13:53, David Dorward wrote:

Peter Corlett wrote:
I *strongly* suggest you look for a different route. TfL's route  
planner comes up with sensible routings once you disable busses.  
(When enabled, it seems to prefer to route people via bus where  
possible, presumably for traffic engineering or revenue  
maximisation reasons.)
The alternatives would be, IIRC, to take the N. Line to TCR then  
change to the central line, or to take the Jubilee from Waterloo and  
get to the central line from there. (Target: Notting Hill Gate).



The Central Line is by far the most reliable of the three lines that  
pass through Notting Hill Gate, running every 3-4 minutes. The Circle  
is allegedly every 8, but it's the one to break first when they're  
short on trains or drivers and a 15 minute wait is not unusual.


It really is best to assume that the Circle Line does not exist when  
planning a route, and just catch it opportunistically if you happen to  
be wanting a District or Hammersmith and City line service and a  
Circle shows up instead.


Also note that from Waterloo, you first have to cross the River to get  
to the Circle Line, which means the Northern or Jubilee anyway, so  
once you're on it you might as well stay on until you hit the Central  
Line.


I *think* that Jubilee to Bond Street and change to Central would be  
the best routing, but I'd also give the Northern to TCR a spin too.  
(Also note that you can buy chocolate-coated coffee beans in Bond  
Street station which is a good tie-breaker.)





Re: My New Job (Was: Social Thurs 8 Jan 2009)

2009-01-05 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Roger Burton West ro...@firedrake.org wrote:

 On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 02:13:48PM +, Paul Makepeace wrote:

 Get a bicycle or a scooter. Do your level best in the meantime to ignore any
 commentary from anyone who hasn't actually ridden in London.

 Seconded. Advice from a relatively new cyclist on request, or distilled
 at http://firedrake.org/roger/cycling/ .

Cool. As a two-time Strida owner I can assure you they are most
certainly _not_ gimmick bikes, esp. considering they've won a whole
bunch of folding competitions beating Bromptons for folding speed
(2s), maneuvrability, and something else I forget. I rode from West
Hampstead to Mayfair (i.e. non-trivial distance) the other night, and
can take it on buses, tubes, and trains with never any hassle, esp
since they weigh 10kg. The newer Strida 5 is a nice improvement over
its already-decent-but-slightly-sloppy previous incarnation.

If you're going multi-modal folding bikes are the only way to go, IMO.
(I've heard awful things about Dahon though, btw.)

FWIW: I had a terrible experience with Bikefix, to the point of having
me give them another, rhyming name...

And don't forget fixed gear :-) http://paulm.com/cycling/fixed_gear.html

P


 Roger


Re: My New Job (Was: Social Thurs 8 Jan 2009)

2009-01-05 Thread David Cantrell
On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 01:06:02PM +, David Dorward wrote:
 Sue Spence wrote:
 I'm just kidding of course.  Congrats. 
 Thanks
 Work is good, and so are new experiences
 I'm going to experience the Circle Line at rush hour for the first time. 
 Is that good?

Get a bike.

And you know the Circle line's bad when a fat bastard like *me* says
that.

-- 
David Cantrell | Official London Perl Mongers Bad Influence

   23.5 degrees of axial tilt is the reason for the season


Old memes (was Re: Social Thurs 8 Jan 2009)

2009-01-05 Thread David Dorward
Billy Abbott wrote:
 (I like cake http://flickr.com/photos/cowfish/185568346/)

The cake is a lie.


-- 
David Dorward   http://dorward.me.uk/


Re: My New Job (Was: Social Thurs 8 Jan 2009)

2009-01-05 Thread David Cantrell
On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 02:56:02PM +, Jasper wrote:

 Cycling in London isn't bad, as long as you don't do anything stupid,
 like riding up the inside of a large lorry where the driver can't see
 you. You do get the odd shit of a bus driver, too.

What, like the ones that actually want to get to bus stops?  Cyclists
can avoid this problem by overtaking on the *right* and at other times
riding in the road with all the other traffic instead of in the gutter,
if you can keep up.

And please assemble your mechano *carefully*!  I've seen two foldy
things spontaneously fold themselves, both times mere feet in front of
rather large vehicles.

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Re: My New Job (Was: Social Thurs 8 Jan 2009)

2009-01-05 Thread Dave Hodgkinson


On 5 Jan 2009, at 20:59, David Cantrell wrote:


On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 01:06:02PM +, David Dorward wrote:

Sue Spence wrote:

I'm just kidding of course.  Congrats.

Thanks

Work is good, and so are new experiences
I'm going to experience the Circle Line at rush hour for the first  
time.

Is that good?


Get a bike.

And you know the Circle line's bad when a fat bastard like *me* says
that.


And it's possible to run faster too:

http://london-underground.blogspot.com/2008/10/can-you-run-faster-than-tube-train.html




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Re: My New Job (Was: Social Thurs 8 Jan 2009)

2009-01-05 Thread Dominic Thoreau
2009/1/5 Kieren Diment dim...@gmail.com:

 Typical programmers come in two distinct groups - large, or wiry.  The
 muscle density on the wiry ones is actually quite high ;)

Bah I say - not everything's black and white like that.

And I say that as a possibly ambidextrous dev (who's trying to avoid
learning Javascript for work purposes) who was once wiry, currently
transiting towards large.

Kind of like saying most either have hair or don't.
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Re: My New Job (Was: Social Thurs 8 Jan 2009)

2009-01-05 Thread James Duncan

On 5-Jan-09, at 4:42 PM, Chisel Wright wrote:


On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 08:59:24PM +, David Cantrell wrote:

And you know the Circle line's bad when a fat bastard like *me* says
that.


The Circle Line was one of my reasons for getting a foldy.


The Circle Line was one of my reasons for leaving London ;-)

Regards,
James.


Re: My New Job (Was: Social Thurs 8 Jan 2009)

2009-01-05 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 9:54 PM, James Duncan ja...@reasonablysmart.com wrote:
 On 5-Jan-09, at 4:42 PM, Chisel Wright wrote:

 On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 08:59:24PM +, David Cantrell wrote:

 And you know the Circle line's bad when a fat bastard like *me* says
 that.

 The Circle Line was one of my reasons for getting a foldy.

 The Circle Line was one of my reasons for leaving London ;-)

It does however make an excellent nightclub,
http://circlelineparty.org.uk/archives/003023.html

P


 Regards,
 James.



Re: My New Job (Was: Social Thurs 8 Jan 2009)

2009-01-05 Thread Dave Hodgkinson


On 5 Jan 2009, at 22:08, Paul Makepeace wrote:

On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 9:54 PM, James Duncan ja...@reasonablysmart.com 
 wrote:

On 5-Jan-09, at 4:42 PM, Chisel Wright wrote:


On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 08:59:24PM +, David Cantrell wrote:


And you know the Circle line's bad when a fat bastard like *me*  
says

that.


The Circle Line was one of my reasons for getting a foldy.


The Circle Line was one of my reasons for leaving London ;-)


It does however make an excellent nightclub,
http://circlelineparty.org.uk/archives/003023.html


Not since the middle of last year.

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Re: My New Job (Was: Social Thurs 8 Jan 2009)

2009-01-05 Thread Avleen Vig

On Jan 5, 2009, at 9:30, David Dorward da...@dorward.me.uk wrote:


Nicholas Clark wrote:

So we will all have to ask you what it's like...

Is it a company on this list?   http://london.pm.org/advocacy/


No, its a, um, er, Django shop.


What a strange coincedence. I start at a Django shop on Monday, also!

Yours isn't up around Soho is it? 


Re: Perl is Alive! (Dispatch war rocket AJAX...)

2009-01-05 Thread muppet
Finally slogging through my mail backlog after the holidays, and i  
find this:



On Dec 10, 2008, at 4:41 AM, Andy Wardley wrote:


PS I think we should make Perl is Alive! the unoffical secret verbal
handshake by which Perl mongers make themselves known to each other
(spoken in the style of Brian Blessed in Flash Gordon, of course).   
The
correct response would be something along the lines of Dispatch war  
rocket
AJAX to bring back the document body from a server-side Perl web  
application
handler powered by Catalyst, DBIx::Class, TT, Moose, and many of the  
other

fine modules available from CPAN that make Perl a robust and reliable
platform for enterprise-ready solutions.  Hmm... might need to make  
the

response a little more snappy... but I think it's got promise  :-)



... and now i can sleep at night, knowing what has been elided by the  
ellipsis in the header on the new website.  Thanks, Andy.  Can we get  
a link to an audio clip of you reading that entire exchange in the  
style of Brian Blessed, please?


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Re: My New Job (Was: Social Thurs 8 Jan 2009)

2009-01-05 Thread Philip Newton
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 17:59, Mark Overmeer m...@overmeer.net wrote:
 My first Brompton lasted over six years of heavy duty (although
 the cycling conditions in Holland are a bit better than in the UK).
 No serious troubles, no accidents. The wheelbase (the distance between the
 front and back axes, needed for stability) is much better (longer) with
 other folding bikes.

ITYM is much better *than* with other folding bikes?

(Honest question; either interpretation is plausible to me.)

Cheers,
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