Re: On-topic: HTML/JS help please
On Fri, Feb 05, 2010 at 05:13:25PM +, Jacqui Caren-home wrote: > David Cantrell wrote: > >I want to add a Thingy to CPANdeps to let users collapse/expand portions > >of the dependency tree. How would one go about this? > >Naively wrapping s in s and toggling their style.display > >doesn't work, presumably because isn't kosher in a . > Jquery tree thingy is data driven and works well. Unfortunately every pre-existing Javascript thingy I've looked at assumes that I have a simple tree. I don't, I have a *table*, which has a hierarchy. Also, none of them make it obvious that they degrade gracefully for browsers which support neither CSS nor Javascript. Anyway, I have something that partially works now: http://cpandeps-dev.cantrell.org.uk/?module=Test::Class::Most with just the *teensy* little bug that if you first collapse a sub-tree (like, say, that for Test::Exception on that page) and then collapse a tree that contains it, it Does The Wrong Thing. Meh, nothing that a small amount of programming can't fix. -- David Cantrell | Reality Engineer, Ministry of Information You are so cynical. And by "cynical", of course, I mean "correct". -- Kurt Starsinic
Re: On-topic: HTML/JS help please
On 05/02/2010 14:53, David Cantrell wrote:
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this::module
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Add all the dependencies to the . e.g.
Then use jQuery to toggle a .hidden CSS class on all the elements that
have a particular dependency, like so:
Then add a CSS class:
tr.hidden {
display: none;
}
That should degrade gracefully on a browser without JS or CSS.
Here's the full thing:
function toggle(module) {
$('tr.depends-' + module.replace(/:+/,'-',1)).toggleClass('hidden');
return false;
}
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this::module
blahblahblah
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other::module
blahblahblah
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Test::More
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HTH
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Re: On-topic: HTML/JS help please
David Cantrell wrote: I want to add a Thingy to CPANdeps to let users collapse/expand portions of the dependency tree. How would one go about this? Naively wrapping s in s and toggling their style.display doesn't work, presumably because isn't kosher in a . Jquery tree thingy is data driven and works well. Jacqui
Re: On-topic: HTML/JS help please
2010/2/5 David Cantrell : > Absolutely! Although I've come up with an Evil But Workable solution > now - create really long ids that contain all the possible ids I might > want to collapse. Now I just need to fiddle with the toggle function to > instead of just hiding/showing a single element, do it for all the > elements whose ids contain a particular substring. Can't you do this with classes? Remember you can assign multiple classes to a element, and then you can just collapse all nodes of a given class (this is trivial in jQuery) Mark.
Re: On-topic: HTML/JS help please
On Fri, Feb 05, 2010 at 10:36:39AM -0500, Casey West wrote: > I went to the site for the source code[0] and tried to clone the repo[1] and > hack on this but I got the following error: > > Initialized empty Git repository in /Users/cwest/src/cpandeps/repo/.git/ > fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly Fixed; git clone anony...@bytemark.barnyard.co.uk:/git/cpandeps/repo.git password is anonygit. I can't persuade Linux to have no password for that user and for ssh to not ask for it. > Is a contribution something you're up for? Absolutely! Although I've come up with an Evil But Workable solution now - create really long ids that contain all the possible ids I might want to collapse. Now I just need to fiddle with the toggle function to instead of just hiding/showing a single element, do it for all the elements whose ids contain a particular substring. -- David Cantrell | Godless Liberal Elitist Anyone willing to give up a little fun for tolerance deserves neither
Re: On-topic: HTML/JS help please
On 5 February 2010 16:05, Dermot wrote:
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> I like Gianni method personally. It's far more shiny. But here's my
> effort anyway.
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> function toggle(num) {
> var Tbl = document.getElementById('mytable');
> var i;
> for (i = 1; i < Tbl.rows[num].cells.length; ++i) {
> alert(Tbl.rows[num].cells[i]);
> Tbl.rows[num].cells[i].style.display = 'none';
> }
> }
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You're posting on a perl list (a language with an reputation (to
outsiders) for line-noise style cryptic code, and you haven't written
it in JQuery? For shame!
Plus you can probably cut that code down quite a lot, just in
complexity and size.
Seriously, writing JavaScript without an external library is like
using Perl without CPAN. Sure you can, but why? Life's too short for
NIH
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Re: Fun Friday afternoon topic: domain name disputes
On Friday 05 February 2010, Elizabeth Mattijsen wrote: > If it would be a co.uk domain, she could probably go to a UK court. Nominet has a dispute service. See, eg, http://www.bailii.org/uk/cases/DRS/ . > Since > this is a .com domain, I think any UK judge will quickly dismiss on the > grounds that it is an American domain, > so that she should go to court in > the U.S. of A. And *that* will prove to become very costly very quickly > indeed. Agreed. Roger
Re: On-topic: HTML/JS help please
On 5 February 2010 15:41, David Cantrell wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 05, 2010 at 03:14:51PM +, Bob MacCallum wrote:
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>> has worked for me in the past. why do you need to wrap it in a div?
>> is it not standards compliant?
>
> Because on this page, for example:
> http://deps.cpantesters.org/?module=Data::Compare;perl=latest
>
> the row for Test::More needs to disappear if I collapse the tree for
> either File::Find::Rule or Data::Compare. So I tried wrapping each row
> in several s, one for each of the needed ids.
I like Gianni method personally. It's far more shiny. But here's my
effort anyway. This just collapses. You'll need to determine the
current style and act accordingly.
Dp.
http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml";>
Collapse test
function toggle(num) {
var Tbl = document.getElementById('mytable');
var i;
for (i = 1; i < Tbl.rows[num].cells.length; ++i) {
alert(Tbl.rows[num].cells[i]);
Tbl.rows[num].cells[i].style.display = 'none';
}
}
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Re: Fun Friday afternoon topic: domain name disputes
On 5/2/10 15:05, mirod wrote: I'll probably tell her to offer 500 pounds for it, and if they don't sell at that price to just use a different domain. Be careful with that approach. If you believe that they have no claim on the domain, offering money for it gives them a defence and weakens your claim for infringement. Having been through this process myself, I think your best route since the registrant is based in the UK is: 1. Send a solicitors letter to the registrant claiming infringement and requesting transfer within 30 days. 2. If that doesn't work, you can either lodge a complaint with WIPO and wait, or give up and not worry about it. If they make an offer, you can decide whether to accept it or not and that comes back to what it's worth to your friend. S.
Re: On-topic: HTML/JS help please
On 5 February 2010 15:41, David Cantrell wrote: > On Fri, Feb 05, 2010 at 03:14:51PM +, Bob MacCallum wrote: > >> >> has worked for me in the past. why do you need to wrap it in a div? >> is it not standards compliant? > > Because on this page, for example: > http://deps.cpantesters.org/?module=Data::Compare;perl=latest > > the row for Test::More needs to disappear if I collapse the tree for > either File::Find::Rule or Data::Compare. So I tried wrapping each row > in several s, one for each of the needed ids. I've found the jsTree jquery plugin quite nice for tree views. Feed it your data via html, json or xml and you're done. http://www.jstree.com/demo/basic_html /m
Re: Fun Friday afternoon topic: domain name disputes
On Fri, 5 Feb 2010, mirod wrote: It appears that her brand is unique, which is lucky for a 4 letter word! In which case, ignore all previous comments on trademark, lawyers and apparent cost. It has a high inherent value just as it is, and a lot of people will pay a few thousand pounds just to add it to their portfolio, and more if they have a handy use for it. If your friend wants any 4-letter domain, she's going to have to spend a lot of cash. the hatter
Re: On-topic: HTML/JS help please
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 9:25 AM, David Cantrell wrote: > I want to add a Thingy to CPANdeps to let users collapse/expand portions > of the dependency tree. How would one go about this? > > Naively wrapping s in s and toggling their style.display > doesn't work, presumably because isn't kosher in a . > I went to the site for the source code[0] and tried to clone the repo[1] and hack on this but I got the following error: Initialized empty Git repository in /Users/cwest/src/cpandeps/repo/.git/ fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly Is a contribution something you're up for? I would be converting your table to a nested listing, taking advantage of the value attribute on the element to ensure the incriminator doesn't break, such as the DBIx::Class[2] page. Cheers, -- Casey West [0] http://www.cantrell.org.uk/cgit/cgit.cgi/cpandeps/ [1] git://bytemark.barnyard.co.uk/cpandeps/repo.git [2] http://deps.cpantesters.org/?module=DBIx%3A%3AClass&perl=any+version&os=any+OS
Re: On-topic: HTML/JS help please
On Fri, Feb 05, 2010 at 03:14:51PM +, Bob MacCallum wrote: > > has worked for me in the past. why do you need to wrap it in a div? > is it not standards compliant? Because on this page, for example: http://deps.cpantesters.org/?module=Data::Compare;perl=latest the row for Test::More needs to disappear if I collapse the tree for either File::Find::Rule or Data::Compare. So I tried wrapping each row in several s, one for each of the needed ids. -- David Cantrell | Reality Engineer, Ministry of Information When a man is tired of London, he is tired of life -- Samuel Johnson
Re: On-topic: HTML/JS help please
Actually, that looks like a very good way to do it. You could build on to this some JQuery to alter the style depending on what it is now very simply. On 5 February 2010 15:14, Bob MacCallum wrote: > > has worked for me in the past. why do you need to wrap it in a div? > is it not standards compliant? > -- Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt. -- Abraham Lincoln
Re: On-topic: HTML/JS help please
David Cantrell wrote: On Fri, Feb 05, 2010 at 03:01:32PM +, James Laver wrote: On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 2:56 PM, David Cantrell wrote: On Fri, Feb 05, 2010 at 02:39:01PM +, James Laver wrote: On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 2:25 PM, David Cantrell wrote: Naively wrapping s in s and toggling their style.display doesn't work, presumably because isn't kosher in a . Use instead? Can you have multiple s in a table, and can they nest? Yes, no. To have tbodys inside a tbody would require another table. Then it won't work, because in the case of very large trees, I want the user to be able to collapse arbitrary sub-trees, which are nested. And putting another table in would reset all the column widths and screw up the display. Something like this? http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/detailed_index_s.html The code maybe a bit more complicated that what you want because the state is saved in a cookie (the tree is small enough that the cookie remains within the 4K maximum size). It uses nested tables and in order not to screw up the table uses colspans (as far as I remember, I wrote this a while back). Feel free to reuse if you want. -- mirod
Re: Fun Friday afternoon topic: domain name disputes
On Feb 5, 2010, at 4:05 PM, mirod wrote: > Elizabeth Mattijsen wrote: >> Considering the price of lawyers, the personal anguish, aggravation and >> duration of having to go to court, I would go for purchasing the domain if >> she really needs it that badly. This goes against anybody's feeling of >> justice, but you really have to ask yourself if it is worth the it. > > I'll probably tell her to offer 500 pounds for it, and if they don't sell at > that price to just use a different domain. > > It's funny how people in different businesses react though, she designs > jewelry, and she really, really, hates trademark infringements. Mostly > because there is usually not much she can do, what with being small and all. If it would be a co.uk domain, she could probably go to a UK court. Since this is a .com domain, I think any UK judge will quickly dismiss on the grounds that it is an American domain, so that she should go to court in the U.S. of A. And *that* will prove to become very costly very quickly indeed. Liz
Re: On-topic: HTML/JS help please
has worked for me in the past. why do you need to wrap it in a div? is it not standards compliant? On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 3:01 PM, James Laver wrote: > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 2:56 PM, David Cantrell > wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 05, 2010 at 02:39:01PM +, James Laver wrote: > >> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 2:25 PM, David Cantrell > wrote: > >> > Naively wrapping s in s and toggling their style.display > >> > doesn't work, presumably because isn't kosher in a . > >> Use instead? > > > > Can you have multiple s in a table, and can they nest? > > Yes, no. To have tbodys inside a tbody would require another table. > > --James > -- http://darwintunes.org - a test-tube for cultural evolution http://evolectronica.com - survival of the funkiest http://compare-stuff.com - confused? you will be! http://twitter.com/darwintunes http://twitter.com/bobmaccallum
Re: On-topic: HTML/JS help please
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 3:08 PM, David Cantrell wrote: > > Then it won't work, because in the case of very large trees, I want the > user to be able to collapse arbitrary sub-trees, which are nested. And > putting another table in would reset all the column widths and screw up > the display. An easy (albeit hacky) way to do it would be when you're dumping the table to the page from your perl, for each nested level, generate a classname such as tree-depth-. Your javascript can parse that out and use that to determine nesting. To do it correctly, you're going to have to consider restructuring your markup somewhat. --James
Re: On-topic: HTML/JS help please
David Cantrell wrote: On Fri, Feb 05, 2010 at 02:39:01PM +, James Laver wrote: On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 2:25 PM, David Cantrell wrote: Naively wrapping s in s and toggling their style.display doesn't work, presumably because isn't kosher in a . Use instead? Can you have multiple s in a table, and can they nest? Yes and no, in that order. Doesn't seem any easier than toggling the .display on the anyway. -- Greg
Re: On-topic: HTML/JS help please
On Fri, Feb 05, 2010 at 03:01:32PM +, James Laver wrote: > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 2:56 PM, David Cantrell wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 05, 2010 at 02:39:01PM +, James Laver wrote: > >> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 2:25 PM, David Cantrell > >> wrote: > >> > Naively wrapping s in s and toggling their style.display > >> > doesn't work, presumably because isn't kosher in a . > >> Use instead? > > Can you have multiple s in a table, and can they nest? > Yes, no. To have tbodys inside a tbody would require another table. Then it won't work, because in the case of very large trees, I want the user to be able to collapse arbitrary sub-trees, which are nested. And putting another table in would reset all the column widths and screw up the display. -- David Cantrell | Bourgeois reactionary pig Fashion label: n: a liferaft for personalities which lack intrinsic buoyancy
Re: Fun Friday afternoon topic: domain name disputes
Elizabeth Mattijsen wrote: Considering the price of lawyers, the personal anguish, aggravation and duration of having to go to court, I would go for purchasing the domain if she really needs it that badly. This goes against anybody's feeling of justice, but you really have to ask yourself if it is worth the it. I'll probably tell her to offer 500 pounds for it, and if they don't sell at that price to just use a different domain. It's funny how people in different businesses react though, she designs jewelry, and she really, really, hates trademark infringements. Mostly because there is usually not much she can do, what with being small and all. Thanks -- mirod
Re: On-topic: HTML/JS help please
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 2:56 PM, David Cantrell wrote: > On Fri, Feb 05, 2010 at 02:39:01PM +, James Laver wrote: >> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 2:25 PM, David Cantrell wrote: >> > Naively wrapping s in s and toggling their style.display >> > doesn't work, presumably because isn't kosher in a . >> Use instead? > > Can you have multiple s in a table, and can they nest? Yes, no. To have tbodys inside a tbody would require another table. --James
Re: Fun Friday afternoon topic: domain name disputes
Jason Clifford wrote: On Fri, 2010-02-05 at 14:29 +0100, mirod wrote: My friend owns the trademark for the name in Europe, the US and Asia. It is a very distinct name and a Google search on the name returns only hits related to her product. So it looks like a clear case of cyber-squatting to me. It might be. It depends upon whether the domain name was registered in bad faith (see http://www.icann.org/en/udrp/udrp-policy-24oct99.htm for details) or not. Do bear in mind that Trademark protects a name in relation to a specific market segment and is not universal so if the current registrant was using the name in connection with some other market segment or not commercially and specifically in a manner not likely to cause confusion as to who was using it your friend might not have a right to try and take the domain via a DRP. It appears that her brand is unique, which is lucky for a 4 letter word! The weird thing though is that whois tells me that the record was created 6 years ago. That seems a long time for someone to sit on a useless domain name. I am not sure what she can do about it though. It seems like the only solution is to go to court, and there have been very few cases that went to trial. Perhaps the registry operator the domain was registered through (as shown in the whois record) operates a dispute resolution service although many of them effectively don't. WIPO is an option for a dispute on a .com domain but it will be expensive and slow. It's really designed to accommodate the needs and desires of larger companies. If the person who has registered the domain is based in the UK taking them to court over the matter should not be too hard. If they are elsewhere you might well have to bring action in a US court which will be expensive. The registrar is moniker.com. From a quick look at their website, they seem to be very much in the business of providing a market place for domain names. And their dispute policy, although quite long, seems to boil down to require the involvement of WIPO :--( The registrant is based in the UK, but my friend is in Italy. -- mirod
Re: On-topic: HTML/JS help please
On Fri, Feb 05, 2010 at 02:39:01PM +, James Laver wrote: > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 2:25 PM, David Cantrell wrote: > > Naively wrapping s in s and toggling their style.display > > doesn't work, presumably because isn't kosher in a . > Use instead? Can you have multiple s in a table, and can they nest? -- David Cantrell | Nth greatest programmer in the world Are you feeling bored? depressed? slowed down? Evil Scientists may be manipulating the speed of light in your vicinity. Buy our patented instructional video to find out how, and maybe YOU can stop THEM
Re: On-topic: HTML/JS help please
On Fri, Feb 05, 2010 at 02:33:17PM +, Dermot wrote: > On 5 February 2010 14:25, David Cantrell wrote: > > I want to add a Thingy to CPANdeps to let users collapse/expand portions > > of the dependency tree. How would one go about this? > > > > Naively wrapping s in s and toggling their style.display > > doesn't work, presumably because isn't kosher in a . > One way would be to and change the style.display on all it's children. I'm struggling to imagine what you mean here. Perhaps it would help if I show you what I've done so far (which doesn't work). This represents a simple dependency tree: this::module other::module yet::another::module Test::More + this::module blahblahblah + other::module blahblahblah + yet::another::module blahblahblah + Test::More blahblahblah The data in blahblahblah are several columns of a table. The data *must* be displayed as a table, and *must* work in any reasonable browser, including those that don't do CSS - although obviously I don't expect any fancy stuff like the expanding/collapsing thingy to work in such primitive browsers. This is called Degrading Gracefully ;-) -- David Cantrell | even more awesome than a panda-fur coat
Re: On-topic: HTML/JS help please
On 2010-02-05 David Cantrell wrote:
> I want to add a Thingy to CPANdeps to let users collapse/expand
> portions of the dependency tree. How would one go about this?
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Re: Fun Friday afternoon topic: domain name disputes
On 5 February 2010 14:28, Elizabeth Mattijsen wrote: > On Feb 5, 2010, at 2:29 PM, mirod wrote: >> I figured some of you might have some information about this: I have a friend >> who owns a small company. She has a web site, with the .eu suffix, but would >> like the .com one. That domain is owned by someone in the UK, who is not >> using >> it (its parked on a US server that seems to advertise it as for sale). They >> are >> offering to sell the domain... for several thousand pounds. Actually they >> first >> wanted to sell it for that amount, then said that someone else was >> interested in >> buying it and that even at that price they could not sell it. >> >> My friend owns the trademark for the name in Europe, the US and Asia. It is a >> very distinct name and a Google search on the name returns only hits related >> to >> her product. >> >> So it looks like a clear case of cyber-squatting to me. >> >> I am not sure what she can do about it though. It seems like the only >> solution >> is to go to court, and there have been very few cases that went to trial. >> >> Does anyone have a suggestion on the course of action that might best get >> results? I fully understand that not everyone here is a lawyer (and the ones >> who >> are probably wouldn't admit it ;--), but maybe someone has been in that >> situation before. > I tend to agree, court proceeding are hellish and costly. However legal costs are "usually" picked up by the loser in the case. The alleged squatter will probably be aware of this. It might be worth your friend spending an hour with a lawyer that specialises in domain disputes. If the lawyer is persuaded that the case is clear cut, an initial letter to the opposite side might make them more flexible. Dp.
Re: On-topic: HTML/JS help please
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 2:25 PM, David Cantrell wrote: > I want to add a Thingy to CPANdeps to let users collapse/expand portions > of the dependency tree. How would one go about this? > > Naively wrapping s in s and toggling their style.display > doesn't work, presumably because isn't kosher in a . Use instead? --James
Re: On-topic: HTML/JS help please
On 5 February 2010 14:25, David Cantrell wrote: > I want to add a Thingy to CPANdeps to let users collapse/expand portions > of the dependency tree. How would one go about this? > > Naively wrapping s in s and toggling their style.display > doesn't work, presumably because isn't kosher in a . > One way would be to and change the style.display on all it's children. Dp.
Re: Fun Friday afternoon topic: domain name disputes
On Feb 5, 2010, at 2:29 PM, mirod wrote: > I figured some of you might have some information about this: I have a friend > who owns a small company. She has a web site, with the .eu suffix, but would > like the .com one. That domain is owned by someone in the UK, who is not using > it (its parked on a US server that seems to advertise it as for sale). They > are > offering to sell the domain... for several thousand pounds. Actually they > first > wanted to sell it for that amount, then said that someone else was interested > in > buying it and that even at that price they could not sell it. > > My friend owns the trademark for the name in Europe, the US and Asia. It is a > very distinct name and a Google search on the name returns only hits related > to > her product. > > So it looks like a clear case of cyber-squatting to me. > > I am not sure what she can do about it though. It seems like the only solution > is to go to court, and there have been very few cases that went to trial. > > Does anyone have a suggestion on the course of action that might best get > results? I fully understand that not everyone here is a lawyer (and the ones > who > are probably wouldn't admit it ;--), but maybe someone has been in that > situation before. Considering the price of lawyers, the personal anguish, aggravation and duration of having to go to court, I would go for purchasing the domain if she really needs it that badly. This goes against anybody's feeling of justice, but you really have to ask yourself if it is worth the it. Yes, there is no justice in this world unless you are willing to put up the money (whether that is cash, or the time you need to spent on it that you could have used in any other, more fruitful manner). Liz
On-topic: HTML/JS help please
I want to add a Thingy to CPANdeps to let users collapse/expand portions of the dependency tree. How would one go about this? Naively wrapping s in s and toggling their style.display doesn't work, presumably because isn't kosher in a . -- David Cantrell | top google result for "topless karaoke murders" There is no one true indentation style, But if there were K&R would be Its Prophets. Peace be upon Their Holy Beards.
Re: Fun Friday afternoon topic: domain name disputes
Dominic Thoreau wrote: On 5 February 2010 13:29, mirod wrote: I am not sure what she can do about it though. It seems like the only solution is to go to court, and there have been very few cases that went to trial. Does anyone have a suggestion on the course of action that might best get results? I fully understand that not everyone here is a lawyer (and the ones who are probably wouldn't admit it ;--), but maybe someone has been in that situation before. I work for a domain registry. Our default policy on this sort of thing is to encourage the two parties involved to resolve the dispute themselves. If they can't do this, they're free to and fight at WIPO - who are very very slow to do anything. The problem in this case is that there is really no incentive for the other party do do much, beyond lowering their price to try to get some money instead of getting nothing. It's not like that domain would be of use to any one except my friend. Oddly enough though, the price they are asking seems to be more than the cost of filing a complaint at WIPO. -- mirod
Re: Fun Friday afternoon topic: domain name disputes
On Fri, 2010-02-05 at 14:29 +0100, mirod wrote: > My friend owns the trademark for the name in Europe, the US and Asia. It is a > very distinct name and a Google search on the name returns only hits related > to > her product. > > So it looks like a clear case of cyber-squatting to me. It might be. It depends upon whether the domain name was registered in bad faith (see http://www.icann.org/en/udrp/udrp-policy-24oct99.htm for details) or not. Do bear in mind that Trademark protects a name in relation to a specific market segment and is not universal so if the current registrant was using the name in connection with some other market segment or not commercially and specifically in a manner not likely to cause confusion as to who was using it your friend might not have a right to try and take the domain via a DRP. > I am not sure what she can do about it though. It seems like the only solution > is to go to court, and there have been very few cases that went to trial. Perhaps the registry operator the domain was registered through (as shown in the whois record) operates a dispute resolution service although many of them effectively don't. WIPO is an option for a dispute on a .com domain but it will be expensive and slow. It's really designed to accommodate the needs and desires of larger companies. If the person who has registered the domain is based in the UK taking them to court over the matter should not be too hard. If they are elsewhere you might well have to bring action in a US court which will be expensive.
Re: Fun Friday afternoon topic: domain name disputes
* Dominic Thoreau (domi...@thoreau-online.net) [100205 13:46]: > On 5 February 2010 13:29, mirod wrote: >> I am not sure what she can do about it though. It seems like the only >> solution is to go to court, and there have been very few cases that >> went to trial. > Our default policy on this sort of thing is to encourage the two > parties involved to resolve the dispute themselves. > If they can't do this, they're free to and fight at WIPO - who are > very very slow to do anything. Same for the Dutch TLD (.nl) : they refuse to play a role in these disputes and leave it to lawsuits... where it ends-up quite often, afaik. Difficult when the hijacker of the domain and the owner of the trademark live in different countries. -- Regards, MarkOv Mark Overmeer MScMARKOV Solutions m...@overmeer.net soluti...@overmeer.net http://Mark.Overmeer.net http://solutions.overmeer.net
Re: Looking for a Perl development position in London
If the employer is already a Tier 2 sponsor (many IT firms are), then it's a quick and straightforward procedure. If not, they need to become one, which is a few simple steps in theory, but in practice requires a lawyer. On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Smylers wrote: > Egor Shipovalov writes: > >> CV below. >> >> Citizen and resident of Russian Federation currently visiting London. >> The employer will have to sponsor a work permit under the terms for >> Tier 2. > > What does that involve? > > Smylers > -- > Watch fiendish TV quiz 'Only Connect' (some questions by me) > Mondays at 20:30 on BBC4, or iPlayer: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00lskhg >
Re: Fun Friday afternoon topic: domain name disputes
On 5 February 2010 13:29, mirod wrote: > I am not sure what she can do about it though. It seems like the only > solution > is to go to court, and there have been very few cases that went to trial. > > Does anyone have a suggestion on the course of action that might best get > results? I fully understand that not everyone here is a lawyer (and the ones > who > are probably wouldn't admit it ;--), but maybe someone has been in that > situation before. I work for a domain registry. Our default policy on this sort of thing is to encourage the two parties involved to resolve the dispute themselves. If they can't do this, they're free to and fight at WIPO - who are very very slow to do anything. -- Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt. -- Abraham Lincoln
Fun Friday afternoon topic: domain name disputes
Hi, I figured some of you might have some information about this: I have a friend who owns a small company. She has a web site, with the .eu suffix, but would like the .com one. That domain is owned by someone in the UK, who is not using it (its parked on a US server that seems to advertise it as for sale). They are offering to sell the domain... for several thousand pounds. Actually they first wanted to sell it for that amount, then said that someone else was interested in buying it and that even at that price they could not sell it. My friend owns the trademark for the name in Europe, the US and Asia. It is a very distinct name and a Google search on the name returns only hits related to her product. So it looks like a clear case of cyber-squatting to me. I am not sure what she can do about it though. It seems like the only solution is to go to court, and there have been very few cases that went to trial. Does anyone have a suggestion on the course of action that might best get results? I fully understand that not everyone here is a lawyer (and the ones who are probably wouldn't admit it ;--), but maybe someone has been in that situation before. Thanks -- mirod
Re: Looking for a Perl development position in London
Egor Shipovalov writes: > CV below. > > Citizen and resident of Russian Federation currently visiting London. > The employer will have to sponsor a work permit under the terms for > Tier 2. What does that involve? Smylers -- Watch fiendish TV quiz 'Only Connect' (some questions by me) Mondays at 20:30 on BBC4, or iPlayer: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00lskhg
Catalyst::Engine::Stomp and ErrorCatcher
Hi all
Here at work we've got a Catalyst::Engine::Stomp based consumer talking to
ActiveMQ and there's has been some issues of instability. So have been
looking into how we can at least catch some of the obvious ones and
hopefully provide some way of logging what's going on.
Anyway I've been looking at C::E::Stomp and tried to add a try/catch
block to capture that something has gone wrong and email it off to
someone with the error using ErrorCatcher.
Here's what I'm trying in C::E::Stomp in the run method..
# enter loop...
while (1) {
try {
my $frame = $self->connection->receive_frame();
$self->handle_stomp_frame($app, $frame);
} catch ($e) {
$app->error("we are in trouble: $e");
}
last if $ENV{ENGINE_ONESHOT};
}
..I'm abit puzzled as to why this isn't being passed over to ErrorCatcher.
It is dumping something in the logs..
010/02/05 06:42:42 we are in trouble: Error reading command: at
/opt/xt/xt-perl/lib/site_perl/5.8.8/Catalyst.pm line 497
Catalyst::error('XT::ActiveMQ::DC', 'FSSB: Error reading command: at
/opt/xt/xt-perl/lib/site_per...') called at
/opt/xt/xt-perl/lib/site_perl/5.8.8/Catalyst/Engine/Stomp.pm line 111
Catalyst::Engine::Stomp::run('Catalyst::Engine::Stomp=HASH(0x1dc34d80)',
'XT::ActiveMQ::DC', 'i dont matter', 'neither do i', 'HASH(0x1d8de350)') called
at /opt/xt/xt-perl/lib/site_perl/5.8.8/Catalyst.pm line 2163
Catalyst::run('XT::ActiveMQ::DC', 'i dont matter', 'neither do i',
'HASH(0x1d8de350)') called at
/opt/xt/deploy/xtracker/script/xt_activemq_dc_daemon.pl line 101
I don't really know how the internals of Catalyst works so would appreciate
any helpful suggestions.
TIA
Jason
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Re: [Gllug-Social] [ANNOUNCE] London Perl M[ou]ngers Social - Thursday 2010-02-04 - The Gunmakers, Clerkenwell EC1R 5ET
On Thu, 2010-02-04 at 16:21 +, David Cantrell wrote: > > Thursday 1st April > > which is immediately followed by a four day weekend, so you can't go > using the excuse "but it's a school night". "But it's a school night". Andy
Re: Looking for a Perl development position in London
Raphael Mankin wrote: It's 9 months of full salary more expensive to hire a woman who gets pregnant, takes her full maternity leave and then decides not to return to work. Adding on to this advertising, time to review CVs, time to interview and so on, the cost of recruitment can itself run into thousands. Actually the data I have seems to indicate that the salary does not come entirely out of the employer's pocket, but that 92% of it is refunded by the government (source: 2004 data from http://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/products/indwm/ww2005/tab5c.htm ) BTW it is quite striking that there are currently 3 countries that do not offer any maternity leave: Swaziland, the USA and Australia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parental_leave ) -- mirod
