Living in glass houses was: [Re: webmail]
On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 12:17:40PM +, Dave Wilson wrote: What this boils down to, is that a) I don't believe that scalable and maintainable sites can be easily written in PHP I addressed this. It is because you suck, not the language. I thought people liked perl because of it's flexibility. Shock move: Dave Wilson tells someone else that their coding sucks. b) I don't believe that the general coding standard in the PHP binaries is as high as is necessary to survive on the modern Internet And you've read them, as well as perl. I'm impressed -- how old are you? As someone who's debugged, modified, and written extensions for PHP, I'd say it's one of the nicer programs around to work on. Fundamental vulnerabilities are not uncommon -- in fact, you're guaranteed at least one fuckup a month these days. PHP's POST handling vulnerability was such a thing. This doesn't mean you loose all confidence in it. As someone who's debugged, modified, and written extensions for PHP, you seemed to have an inordinate amount of trouble coding one simple Linux Users Group web site. I'd give your opinion on this more respect if you hadn't made a total pigs arse of the BLUG website. In fact, didn't you leave it sitting broken and unusable for months on end. The only reason you fixed it is because you were publicly berated and badgered. In response to the public badgering, you put up something that half worked. Eleven odd months later, is it actually working yet? If I remember it correctly, you broke a perfectly servicable set of static web pages so you could write it from scratch in PHP. What percentage of your proposed new features did you actually implement? I realise that none of this is relevant to whether PHP is inferior to perl. It does however relate directly to your qualifications to pontificate on the subject. andrew -- Virgo: (Aug. 23 - Sept. 22) And to think you laughed when your high-school yearbook named you Most Likely To Be Responsible For The Extinction Of The Frigate Bird.
Re: Living in glass houses was: [Re: webmail]
On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 03:36:55PM +, Andrew Wilson wrote: [Wilson-on-Wilson flame action snipped] OK, how many of you Wilsons are related? It's rapidly turning into a Dave situation. I for one am losing track... P -- Paul Makepeace ... http://paulm.com/ What is the smell of red? Foolish pride! -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/
Re: Living in glass houses was: [Re: webmail]
On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 03:48:47PM +, Paul Makepeace wrote: On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 03:36:55PM +, Andrew Wilson wrote: [Wilson-on-Wilson flame action snipped] OK, how many of you Wilsons are related? It's rapidly turning into a Dave situation. I for one am losing track... Oh Dave and I aren't related. Unless you count both of us being memebers of the previously mentioned linux users group committee. andrew -- Taurus: (April. 20 - May 20) It's all over but the shouting, but don't worry: It's going to be great shouting. msg08952/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Living in glass houses was: [Re: webmail]
* Andrew Wilson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I realise that none of this is relevant to whether PHP is inferior to perl. It does however relate directly to your qualifications to pontificate on the subject. can we please skip the now inevitable mudslinging argument, its too near chrimbo for this sort of thing (m, duck, mm) Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Living in glass houses was: [Re: webmail]
On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 03:36:55PM +, Andrew Wilson said: As someone who's debugged, modified, and written extensions for PHP, you seemed to have an inordinate amount of trouble coding one simple Linux Users Group web site. Umm. To quote a certain bunch of stereotyped scoursers on a p[opular comedy show Calm down I'm hoping that we can have a a sensible discussion about programming languages without resulting to personal digs because, well, WE'RE NOT F*CKING 14 ANYMORE. Play nice children, and do try to get along. Otherwise we're no better than Java programmers. [0] Simon [0] he says, working on the Give everybodsy a common enemy and they'll get along school of management [1] [1] And by the way, it was a joke. [2] [2] And yes I am actually a Java programmer. [3] [3] Well, I was untila bout a month ago.
Re: Living in glass houses was: [Re: webmail]
On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 03:54:14PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Andrew Wilson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I realise that none of this is relevant to whether PHP is inferior to perl. It does however relate directly to your qualifications to pontificate on the subject. can we please skip the now inevitable mudslinging argument, its too near chrimbo for this sort of thing (m, duck, mm) Sure, I've slung all the mud I intend to about the subject. andrew -- Leo: (July 23 - Aug. 22) You understand that if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem, but you still aren't sure which is supposed to be better. msg08955/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Living in glass houses was: [Re: webmail]
On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 03:54:14PM +, Greg McCarroll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: can we please skip the now inevitable mudslinging argument, its too near chrimbo for this sort of thing (m, duck, mm) Don't get me started on bloody christmas! Dave... -- It was long ago and it was far away And it was so much better that it is today
Re: Living in glass houses was: [Re: webmail]
* Simon Wistow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Play nice children, and do try to get along. Otherwise we're no better than Java programmers. [X0] [X0] he says, working on the Give everybodsy a common enemy and they'll get along school of management [X1] scarily this isn't too bad a suggestion[2], if we were to look at who our `enemies' were, they would more likely be Java and C++ --- ``Higher''[1] Level Languages that do not embrace the dynamic nature of Perl, and our allies PHP and Python. I do not see C as an enemy as I think it occupies an entirely different problem space, however Java is exactly in the area where Perl is excellent, imho, ymmv, idrciyd Greg [1] Than C and Pascal at least [2] And I'm not joking. -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
