Re: beer

[Nicholas Clark]

On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 07:04:31AM -0500, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote:
> Jarkko and I will be in London the weekend of the 20th and 21st before
> riding down to Paris with those that are going. If anyone wants to meet up
> for a pint or three let us know as I don't think we'll be online at all

I think that this would be good. Sunday night would be quieter than
Saturday night (but I'm biased because I'm taking that Monday off work)

Do we have any unseen pubs on our hitlist? If not, where should we go?

The Pillars of Hercules has the advantage that it's next door but one
to Milroys of Soho, but I'm not sure when Milroys is open.

http://openguides.org/london/index.cgi?Pillars_Of_Hercules,_W1D_4DJ
http://www.milroys.co.uk/

Nicholas Clark

Re: beer

[Elaine -HFB- Ashton]

Nicholas Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoth:
*>
*>I think that this would be good. Sunday night would be quieter than
*>Saturday night (but I'm biased because I'm taking that Monday off work)

We're on holiday so we could, technically, go out either or both nights :)
I have no idea what day the eurostar trip is though...you'd think I didn't
have 10 or more different calendar things to keep track of itineraries or
something...

*>Do we have any unseen pubs on our hitlist? If not, where should we go?

An Unseen Pub? Would it have an Ankh-Moorpork theme? :)

*>The Pillars of Hercules has the advantage that it's next door but one
*>to Milroys of Soho, but I'm not sure when Milroys is open.

If it has beer, it's perfect. :) It's a chore to find a decent wheat beer
in Helsinki and after all the rye bread, rye cakes, rye biscuits, rye beer
and rye everything else, London will seem like an oasis :) You pick and
we'll show up for the beer.

e.

Re: beer

[David Cantrell]

On Monday, July 7, 2003 12:46 +0100 Nicholas Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Do we have any unseen pubs on our hitlist? If not, where should we go?
The Old Monk, on, errm, that street that runs across the top of Mill St, 
above Conduit St.

It lacks a little atmosphere, but london.pm can provide its own.  I think 
it meets most of our requirements:
 central
 good beer
 food
 large with a sort-of seperate area big enough for us
 disabled-friendly

I wouldn't suggest it for an emergency social though, as it doesn't have 
the spark that makes a great pub.

The Pillars of Hercules ...
is a fine pub, and the guvnor has excellent taste in both computers and 
beer.

--
David Cantrell

Re: beer

[David Hodgkinson]

On Monday, July 7, 2003, at 09:08 PM, David Cantrell wrote:
is a fine pub, and the guvnor has excellent taste in both computers 
and beer.

wrong endian, surely?

Re: beer

[David Cantrell]

On Monday, July 7, 2003 10:02 pm +0100 David Hodgkinson 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Monday, July 7, 2003, at 09:08 PM, David Cantrell wrote:
is a fine pub, and the guvnor has excellent taste in both computers
and beer.
wrong endian, surely?
I am not aware that he has any middle-endian machines.  He does do both 
big- and little-endian though - kinda appropriate for soho :-)

--
David Cantrell

Re: beer

[Nicholas Clark]

On Mon, Jul 07, 2003 at 09:08:16PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
> On Monday, July 7, 2003 12:46 +0100 Nicholas Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Do we have any unseen pubs on our hitlist? If not, where should we go?
> 
> The Old Monk, on, errm, that street that runs across the top of Mill St, 
> above Conduit St.
> 
> It lacks a little atmosphere, but london.pm can provide its own.  I think 
> it meets most of our requirements:
>   central
>   good beer
>   food
>   large with a sort-of seperate area big enough for us
>   disabled-friendly
> 
> I wouldn't suggest it for an emergency social though, as it doesn't have 
> the spark that makes a great pub.

Hangon. That would imply that you want to go there for a regular social
blind? Or did you mean that we shouldn't use it to entertain visitors?
(ie we should do a "check it out" emergency social instead?)

Nicholas Clark

Re: beer

[David Cantrell]

On Monday, July 21, 2003 7:50 pm +0100 Nicholas Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Or did you mean that we shouldn't use it to entertain visitors?
(ie we should do a "check it out" emergency social instead?)
Yes.

--
David Cantrell

Re: Beer Emergency!

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Greg McCarroll wrote:

>
> I have only one dimpled pint glass, commonly known as a "jug", however
> it has developed a crack. I now need to acquire at least one in order
> to satisfy my proper beer from a proper glass insanity. If anyone
> knows where I can buy/steal/acquire such a glass please let me know.
>

Get a proper metal tankard 


/J\

Re: Beer Emergency!

[Nik Butler]

My Advice contact The Beer Essentials in East Street Horsham its the Dogs
Testicles for beer essentials 

Re: Beer Emergency!

[Struan Donald]

* at 20/01 17:43 + Jonathan Stowe said:
> On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> 
> > I have only one dimpled pint glass, commonly known as a "jug", however
> > it has developed a crack. I now need to acquire at least one in order
> > to satisfy my proper beer from a proper glass insanity. If anyone
> > knows where I can buy/steal/acquire such a glass please let me know.
> 
> Get a proper metal tankard 
 
that fails to provide the staring aimlessly at ones beer through the
side of the glass while it settles feature that is essential to the
whole beer consumption process. or at least to me it is...

s

Re: Beer Emergency!

[David Cantrell]

On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 05:38:06PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> I have only one dimpled pint glass, commonly known as a "jug", however
> it has developed a crack. I now need to acquire at least one in order
> to satisfy my proper beer from a proper glass insanity. If anyone
> knows where I can buy/steal/acquire such a glass please let me know.

The solution is simple.  Someone needs to arrange a london.pm trip to a
brewery, and you then buy one in the gift shop.

-- 
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  o/~ I want my SMTP o/~

Re: Beer Emergency!

[Natalie Ford]

On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 05:38:06PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> I have only one dimpled pint glass, commonly known as a "jug", however
> it has developed a crack. I now need to acquire at least one in order
> to satisfy my proper beer from a proper glass insanity. If anyone
> knows where I can buy/steal/acquire such a glass please let me know.

I think I still have 3 or 4 liberated from pubs when i was at uni.
Let me check for you...

-- 
Natalie Ford .. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Beer Emergency!

[Nik Butler]

> The solution is simple.  Someone needs to arrange a london.pm trip to a
> brewery, and you then buy one in the gift shop.
> 
Hmmm Horsham used to have a wonderful Brewery, King and Barnes, right up until
Badgers pulled it all down. Now all we have are the Master Brewer having
opened his own shop, The Beer Essentials , and William King started a new
brewery in the Local Industrial  Estate .

now its all changed, sigh... I miss my Olds Ale... 

Anyway what were we talking about again ?

Re: Beer Emergency!

[Leon Brocard]

David Cantrell sent the following bits through the ether:

> The solution is simple.  Someone needs to arrange a london.pm trip to a
> brewery, and you then buy one in the gift shop.

But London.pm couldn't organise a pissup in a brewery...

Or could it? ;-), Leon
-- 
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Nanoware...http://www.nanoware.org/

... Holy Smoke Batman, it's the Joker!

Re: Beer Emergency!

[Leon Brocard]

Leon Brocard sent the following bits through the ether:

> But London.pm couldn't organise a pissup in a brewery...

Never let it be said that I am discouraging. I have previously visited
Young's Brewery and it is quite fine:

http://www.youngs.co.uk/htmldocs/aboutus/brewerytour.asp
http://www.youngs.co.uk/pdfs/15621_Brewery_Tour.pdf

I assume that during weekdays is bad, so a Saturday at noon or 2pm
seems quite possible indeed. I would organise this, but I'm not free
at that time for the next 8 weeks. Anyone, anyone?

Leon
-- 
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Nanoware...http://www.nanoware.org/

... I cna ytpe 300 wrods pre mniuet!!!

Re: Beer Emergency!

[Jonathan Stowe]

On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, David Cantrell wrote:

> On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 05:38:06PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> > I have only one dimpled pint glass, commonly known as a "jug", however
> > it has developed a crack. I now need to acquire at least one in order
> > to satisfy my proper beer from a proper glass insanity. If anyone
> > knows where I can buy/steal/acquire such a glass please let me know.
>
> The solution is simple.  Someone needs to arrange a london.pm trip to a
> brewery, and you then buy one in the gift shop.
>

Shepherd and Neame do group trips around their brewery at faversham or
perhaps Harvey's at Lewes ?

/J\

Re: Beer Emergency!

[David H. Adler]

On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 07:11:31PM +, Leon Brocard wrote:
> Leon Brocard sent the following bits through the ether:
> 
> > But London.pm couldn't organise a pissup in a brewery...
> 
> Never let it be said that I am discouraging. I have previously visited
> Young's Brewery and it is quite fine:
> 
> http://www.youngs.co.uk/htmldocs/aboutus/brewerytour.asp
> http://www.youngs.co.uk/pdfs/15621_Brewery_Tour.pdf
> 
> I assume that during weekdays is bad, so a Saturday at noon or 2pm
> seems quite possible indeed. I would organise this, but I'm not free
> at that time for the next 8 weeks. Anyone, anyone?

Ah, but if we wait until you can do it, maybe I can plan to be there by
then... :-)

dha
-- 
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Trust the computer industry to shorten the term "Year 2000" to Y2K.
It was this kind of thinking that got us in trouble in the first
place.  - Adrian Tyvand

Re: Beer Emergency!

[David Cantrell]

On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 07:11:31PM +, Leon Brocard wrote:
> Never let it be said that I am discouraging. I have previously visited
> Young's Brewery and it is quite fine:
> 
> http://www.youngs.co.uk/htmldocs/aboutus/brewerytour.asp
> 
> I assume that during weekdays is bad, so a Saturday at noon or 2pm
> seems quite possible indeed. I would organise this, but I'm not free
> at that time for the next 8 weeks. Anyone, anyone?

/me volunteers

Convenient dates, people?  I'm thinking either Feb 23 or Mar 2.

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Follow the standards.
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Re: Beer Emergency!

[Lucy McWilliam]

On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Greg McCarroll wrote:

> I have only one dimpled pint glass, commonly known as a "jug", however
> it has developed a crack. I now need to acquire at least one in order
> to satisfy my proper beer from a proper glass insanity. If anyone
> knows where I can buy/steal/acquire such a glass please let me know.

IIRC, they've stooped manufacturing them now.  Can't find the relevant
link.  Ask you local CAMRA bod.


L.
"Just hang on and trust the body."

Re: Beer Emergency!

[Ian Brayshaw]

From: Lucy McWilliam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Greg McCarroll wrote:
>
> > I have only one dimpled pint glass, commonly known as a "jug", however
> > it has developed a crack. I now need to acquire at least one in order
> > to satisfy my proper beer from a proper glass insanity. If anyone
> > knows where I can buy/steal/acquire such a glass please let me know.
>
>IIRC, they've stooped manufacturing them now.  Can't find the relevant
>link.  Ask you local CAMRA bod.

The last company to make them in the UK stopped the presses in April last 
year. Straight pint glasses are favoured by the pubs now as they're a lot 
cheaper. Dimpled mugs are becoming very scarce in pubs as they are now 
officially collector's items (some pubs have pulled them off the shelves to 
stop them being stolen). Having said that, should be possible to "acquire" 
one or two from smaller locals outside London.


Ian

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Re: Beer experiment

[Dave Hodgkinson]

I would, but got other plans. Sorry.

On 13 Sep 2008, at 13:46, Tara Andrews wrote:


I wonder if we have critical mass for beer flash mobs yet.

I am going to be in Paddington station in 45 minutes, with 2 hours  
to kill before my train. Come have a beer with me if you can. (Email  
me if you are going to show up, otherwise I might not be in the pub  
upstairs.)


-tara


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Re: Beer experiment

[Richard Foley]

On Saturday 13 September 2008 14:46:14 Tara Andrews wrote:
> I wonder if we have critical mass for beer flash mobs yet.
> 
> I am going to be in Paddington station in 45 minutes, with 2 hours to  
> kill before my train. Come have a beer with me if you can. (Email me  
> if you are going to show up, otherwise I might not be in the pub  
> upstairs.)
> 
> -tara
> 
I'm in Munich, otherwise I'd be there - meanwhile please have one for me ;-)

-- 
Richard Foley
Ciao - shorter than aufwiedersehen

http://www.rfi.net/

Re: Beer experiment

[Tara Andrews]

On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Dave Hodgkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I would, but got other plans. Sorry.

On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Richard Foley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm in Munich, otherwise I'd be there - meanwhile please have one for me ;-)

I guess the answer is "no", then.  Damn.  We need more dedication to
beer around here, people.

-tara, mostly just happy to have got a seat on the Eurostar today after all

Re: Beer experiment

[Richard Foley]

On Saturday 13 September 2008 16:35:58 Tara Andrews wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Dave Hodgkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I would, but got other plans. Sorry.
> 
> On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Richard Foley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > I'm in Munich, otherwise I'd be there - meanwhile please have one for 
me ;-)
> 
> I guess the answer is "no", then.  Damn.  We need more dedication to
> beer around here, people.
> 
I'm with you there, but at least you got an (if useless) answer...

:-)

-- 
Richard Foley
Ciao - shorter than aufwiedersehen

http://www.rfi.net/

Re: Beer experiment

[David Dorward]

Tara Andrews wrote:
> I wonder if we have critical mass for beer flash mobs yet.
> 
> I am going to be in Paddington station in 45 minutes, with 2 hours to
> kill before my train. Come have a beer with me if you can. (Email me if
> you are going to show up, otherwise I might not be in the pub upstairs.)

I would ... except that I have a cold, am on anti-cold drugs that don't
mix with beer, am out of London (since it isn't during the working
week), and have guests.

Otherwise, I'd be there like a shot.


-- 
David Dorward   

Re: Beer experiment

[Dave Hodgkinson]

On 13 Sep 2008, at 13:46, Tara Andrews wrote:


I wonder if we have critical mass for beer flash mobs yet.

I am going to be in Paddington station in 45 minutes, with 2 hours  
to kill before my train. Come have a beer with me if you can. (Email  
me if you are going to show up, otherwise I might not be in the pub  
upstairs.)



I think maybe the communication channel is the problem. So sure, there  
are

lots of people on the list but it's a single list. And it's predicated
on people being in front of email. So you need to be multi-channel
for a start. In Amsterdam I had an "APB" list on my phone that I could  
SMS

and generally procure at least half a dozen for drinks. And there's
that facebook thing. Oh, and twitter, though now they've killed the
SMS's it's less immediate.

Then think cross-network. According to the network graphing doofer
on Facebook I have several main networks: London geeks, musicians
and Avon type people.

In your case you probably have others not on l.pm so they need to be
reached. I'm sure Byzantine historians like beer too.


--
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Re: Beer Festival in Rye

[David Cantrell]

On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 06:35:56PM +0100, Denny wrote:

> Not very London, I know, but some friends of mine (including the guy who
> managed the Pembury until recently) are about to open a pub in Rye.
> Starting as they mean to go on, they're launching with a beer festival
> this bank holiday weekend, starting on Thursday and running through to
> Monday:
> 
> http://queensheadrye.com
> 
> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3359/4632066301_48dc4f3646.jpg 
> (list of beers and/or brewers)
> 
> If you know anyone in the general vicinity who might enjoy such an
> event, please do pass the word around.

Ooh, that's a lovely lineup!

-- 
David Cantrell | Cake Smuggler Extraordinaire

Us Germans take our humour very seriously
  -- German cultural attache talking to the Today Programme,
 about the German supposed lack of a sense of humour, 29 Aug 2001

Re: Beer [was Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?]

[Mark Blackman]

On 29 Sep 2009, at 16:26, Ricardo Signes wrote:

fairly choose between them.  There is a large culture of beer  
appreciation

here.

...but there's also a large culture of beer ignorance.


Would you care to speculate on the ratio of those populations in
the US?  (and/or outside).

Re: Beer was Re: Anyone drinking at the moment?

[Billy Abbott]

Steve Mynott wrote:


BTW I read a report that beer in 2/3 pint measures was to be allowed
in the UK.  It also claimed that currently 1/3 pint measures were
available and legal in the UK.  I wondered if anyone had ever seen
this?


I don't know about the 2/3rds (although it would follow naturally from
1/3rd pints) but I've seen 1/3rds in a couple of places - the Young's
brewery (before it moved) and the Great British Beer festival. I've got
some 1/3rd glasses now, thanks to the last few GBBFs, because I ran out
of space for pints.

I think they've been a legal measure for a while, but after 10 minutes 
of reading through publications.parliament.co.uk I've lost the will to 
research any further for now...


--billy

--
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You say tomato, I say EMACS

Re: Beer was Re: Anyone drinking at the moment?

[Nicholas Clark]

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 09:53:35AM +0100, Steve Mynott wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 09:02:12AM -0700, Ovid typed:
> 
> > Gotta disagree on this one.  IPA in the states is *awful*.  I actually like
> > it over here.  Plus, US beers (even the quality ones) are often very fizzy.
> > A bit too much for my taste.  I know the microbreweries in Portland are
> > fantastic, but they generally don't ship over here.
> 
> I thought Sierra Nevada Pale Ale was *excellent*, although there
> was a tendancy for some to be over hopped.
> 
> BTW I read a report that beer in 2/3 pint measures was to be allowed
> in the UK.  It also claimed that currently 1/3 pint measures were
> available and legal in the UK.  I wondered if anyone had ever seen
> this?

As I understand it the law is that draft beer must be dispensed into crown
(or EU) stamped glasses, which are in (integer) multiples of 1/3, 1/2 or 1
pint.

So I infer that if you can get a stamped 2/3 glass, it's legal.

I have seen 1/3rd glasses - Greg, Kake and I went to a Wetherspoon's beer
festival where they were selling three thirds of different beers. I found
this *extremely* dangerous - I can neck (and enjoy) a third pint glass very
rapidly. And then there are 2 more. And then they are all gone.

IIRC, these 1/3rd glasses were EU stamped, but I don't have a picture of
this. I'm sure Napoleon must be spinning in his grave - 1/3rd of a pint is
189 1/3 ml, and it amuses me no end that the EU are officially sanctioning
a vulgar fraction.

Nicholas Clark

Re: Beer was Re: Anyone drinking at the moment?

[Bob Walker]

On Wed, 30 Sep 2009, Steve Mynott wrote:



 It also claimed that currently 1/3 pint measures were
available and legal in the UK.  I wondered if anyone had ever seen
this?


they always have been legal. you certianly now see thirds at CAMRA beer 
festivals and I have seen it in some pubs. Normally as part of a try 4 
beers  as thirds pay for a pint offer.


http://www.emberinns.co.uk/offer/enjoyallyourfavouritecaskales/



--
bob walker

buses should be purple and bendy

Re: Beer was Re: Anyone drinking at the moment?

[Joel Bernstein]

2009/9/30 Bob Walker :
> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009, Steve Mynott wrote:
>>  It also claimed that currently 1/3 pint measures were
>> available and legal in the UK.  I wondered if anyone had ever seen
>> this?
>
> they always have been legal. you certianly now see thirds at CAMRA beer
> festivals and I have seen it in some pubs. Normally as part of a try 4 beers
>  as thirds pay for a pint offer.

The (excellent) Bree Louise serves their (excellent) ales in 1/3 pint
glasses if you ask. I usually pick 3 likely sounding ales, order 1/3
of each. They come on a little wooden board. IIRC they charge based on
alcohol content, and ordering 3 random thirds tends not to get you
charged for a pint of the strongest. So it seems a reasonable thing to
do. Certainly doesn't cost more.

/joel

Re: Beer was Re: Anyone drinking at the moment?

[Abigail]

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 10:11:30AM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote:
> 
> As I understand it the law is that draft beer must be dispensed into crown
> (or EU) stamped glasses, which are in (integer) multiples of 1/3, 1/2 or 1
> pint.


That brings up an image of a civil servant stamping glasses. And once a
month, a moves for a week from Brussles to Strassbourgh.



Abigail

Re: Beer was Re: Anyone drinking at the moment?

[Dave Cross]

On 09/30/2009 09:53 AM, Steve Mynott wrote:


BTW I read a report that beer in 2/3 pint measures was to be allowed
in the UK.  It also claimed that currently 1/3 pint measures were
available and legal in the UK.  I wondered if anyone had ever seen
this?


Completely coincidentally, I just came across this:

  Two-thirds of a pint measure to be introduced

  A two-thirds of a pint measure is to be introduced in pubs and clubs.
  Changes will also be made to measures of fortified wine and brandy.

  http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Nl1/Newsroom/DG_180884

Dave...

Re: Beer was Re: Anyone drinking at the moment?

[Andy Wardley]

Abigail wrote:

That brings up an image of a civil servant stamping glasses. And once a
month, a moves for a week from Brussles to Strassbourgh.


20 or so years ago there was a UK Weight and Measures Authority near
where I lived in Kingston.  Although I never did it myself, a number of
my school mates had holiday jobs there checking and approving (or rejecting)
pint glasses.  It was all done by hand, one glass at a time.  I find it hard
to imagine that they would still doing it by hand, if indeed they are.  But
then again, I found it hard to believe that they were doing it by hand back
then and the UK civil service moves anything but fast.  So it wouldn't
surprise me.

A few years later the landlord of a local pub told me how much he had to
pay for officially stamped glasses (which, of course, you have to have).
I forget the figure, but it was more than a quid if memory serves, and that
was in olden days money where a pint cost about the same or even less.
Whatever the figure, it was ridiculously expensive all because they had to
pay someone to check and stamp every single glass by hand.

A shiny example of British inefficiency at its best.

A

Re: Beer [was Re: Anyone hiring at the moment?]

[Ricardo Signes]

* Mark Blackman  [2009-09-29T11:39:39]
> On 29 Sep 2009, at 16:26, Ricardo Signes wrote:
>
>> fairly choose between them.  There is a large culture of beer  
>> appreciation
>> here.
>>
>> ...but there's also a large culture of beer ignorance.
>
> Would you care to speculate on the ratio of those populations in
> the US?  (and/or outside).

(Please CC me on replies; I am not a subscriber and the last thing I need is
more mailing lists!)

I can speculate, but it's really hard to say.  I divide the adult world into
three groups: people who do not drink beer, people who drink beer but don't
strive to get the best, and people who take beer seriously.

I'd guess that about half the adults I know do not drink beer; that's including
people who will drink a beer at a party if it is offered, but would never buy
one or ask for one.

So, among everyone else?  Frankly, I have no evidence worth anything for doing
science.  (My previous "half" claim was also totally thin-aired.)  I'd probably
divide the populace in half, again, but say that there is a fuzzy area that
eats into the "beer lovers" camp of people who drink beer, notice that some
beer is better than other beer, but do not do much to learn what beer they like
most or why they differ.  These are people who will gladly fall in love with a
new beer you show them, but will not go looking for new beer.  So, 50/25/25 in
the crap/complacent/connoisseur camps?  Like I said, though, this is total
bull.

I bet there are interviews with craft brewers about their actual research out
there, though.

-- 
rjbs

Re: Beer was Re: Anyone drinking at the moment?

[David Cantrell]

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 09:53:35AM +0100, Steve Mynott wrote:

> BTW I read a report that beer in 2/3 pint measures was to be allowed
> in the UK.  It also claimed that currently 1/3 pint measures were
> available and legal in the UK.  I wondered if anyone had ever seen
> this?

Not yet seen a 2/3 pt glass, but 1/3 pint is occasionally used in pubs
for barley wines, and quite often at beer festivals.

-- 
David Cantrell | Minister for Arbitrary Justice

" In My Egotistical Opinion, most people's ... programs should be
  indented six feet downward and covered with dirt. "
  --Blair P. Houghton

Re: Beer was Re: Anyone drinking at the moment?

[Tony Kennick]

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 10:11:30AM +0100,
the following was promulgated by Nicholas Clark:

> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 09:53:35AM +0100, Steve Mynott wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 09:02:12AM -0700, Ovid typed:
> > 
> > > Gotta disagree on this one.  IPA in the states is *awful*.  I actually 
> > > like
> > > it over here.  Plus, US beers (even the quality ones) are often very 
> > > fizzy.
> > > A bit too much for my taste.  I know the microbreweries in Portland are
> > > fantastic, but they generally don't ship over here.
> > 
> > I thought Sierra Nevada Pale Ale was *excellent*, although there
> > was a tendancy for some to be over hopped.
> > 
> > BTW I read a report that beer in 2/3 pint measures was to be allowed
> > in the UK.  It also claimed that currently 1/3 pint measures were
> > available and legal in the UK.  I wondered if anyone had ever seen
> > this?
> 
> As I understand it the law is that draft beer must be dispensed into crown
> (or EU) stamped glasses, which are in (integer) multiples of 1/3, 1/2 or 1
> pint.

It is 1/3 of a pint and integer multiples of 1/2 pints, so while one
point five pint glasses are fine two thirds glasses will need a change.

> So I infer that if you can get a stamped 2/3 glass, it's legal.

No, see above, but it has been through a formal consultation:
http://www.nmo.bis.gov.uk/fileuploads/Docs/Legislation/SFQ/Specified_Quantities_DIUS_Press_Release_Oct_08.pdf

> I have seen 1/3rd glasses - Greg, Kake and I went to a Wetherspoon's beer
> festival where they were selling three thirds of different beers. I found
> this *extremely* dangerous - I can neck (and enjoy) a third pint glass very
> rapidly. And then there are 2 more. And then they are all gone.

I love the fact that tasting palletes of 3 different thirds are becoming
popular to help you decide between guest beers.

-- 
Tony Kennick
Web: http://www.pint.org.uk/ Blog: http://blog.pint.org.uk/ 
Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/thegreatgonzo/

Re: beer? weekend of the 24th June in London

[Dave Hodgkinson]

On 1 Jun 2011, at 15:02, Mallory van Achterberg wrote:

> Hallo mongers,
> 
> I'm Mallory and I don't really do any Perl.  But my husband does, and
> we'll be in London (a first for me) on the weekend of the 24th of
> June and was wondering if there'd be a possibility to just drink some
> beer and hang out with some Perlers somewhere that weekend?
> Dakkar suggested I ask here :)

What area will you be in? What tourist crap do you want to do?

Re: beer? weekend of the 24th June in London

[Sue Spence]

On 1 June 2011 15:02, Mallory van Achterberg  wrote:
> Hallo mongers,
>
> I'm Mallory and I don't really do any Perl.  But my husband does, and
> we'll be in London (a first for me) on the weekend of the 24th of
> June and was wondering if there'd be a possibility to just drink some
> beer and hang out with some Perlers somewhere that weekend?
> Dakkar suggested I ask here :)
>

Emergency!  Emergency!

Re: beer? weekend of the 24th June in London

[Nicholas Clark]

On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 11:34:23AM +0200, Mallory van Achterberg wrote:
> Sorry, wasn't subscribed so couldn't reply.

For future reference, that's not actually true. Non-subscriber mail hits
the moderation queue, and human non-subscribers usually then get whitelisted
so that they don't need further moderation.

Now, you likely won't see a *reply* unless you're subscribed, but that's a
different colour of bikeshed ... :-)

> We'll be in a cheapy Mccheap hotel "Sani" which is by Shepard's
> Bush (or, that's the nearest terminal), and as for tourist crap
> we dunno really.  At least the Natural History Museum and maybe
> 221b Baker Street. Further, I guess just see "London".
> 
> Since we get to the hotel late on Friday (we hope around 9pm
> but you never know with trains), I dunno if Friday night is best
> or Saturday... we're also in town Monday evening as well.

Historically Friday has proven to be a bad day for attendance.
Starting after 9pm in London on any night isn't going to work - the public
transport turns to pumpkins by midnight, even if you find a pub that has a
licence past 11pm, hence everyone will go home.

So of your options, that leaves Saturday.

> Anyway I dunno what's the best manner to pick an evening... I assume
> whichever the most people can attend? And we have no idea what a 
> "good" pub is in the area.  If there isn't one, another area should
> be fine.

Usually the best way is to get a (sort of unofficial) "sponsor" who
simply declares that it's this pub at that time, and people show up.

What actually happens is that this person:

-4: is reasonably well known (for -2 and -1)
-3: has some idea about pubs, or sounds out the IRC channel to get a sane idea
-2: can attend themself, and be recognisable
-1: has some idea about who else will attend, and gets rough confirmations

and then

0: announces it

1: arrives
2: tries to ensure that everyone else finds each other

to ensure that people actually end up in the same bit of the same pub.


It's not essential to do any of the above, but without everyone having phones
*and* everyone knowing every other potential attendee's* phone numbers (in
advance) it tends to be helpful to do it.


It happens that we have visitors that weekend, so I can't be sure that I'm
able to make it, so I can't volunteer to organise anything.

Nicholas Clark

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Re: beer? weekend of the 24th June in London

[Dave Hodgkinson]

On 6 Jun 2011, at 10:34, Mallory van Achterberg wrote:

> Sorry, wasn't subscribed so couldn't reply.
> 
>> What area will you be in? What tourist crap do you want to do?
> 
> We'll be in a cheapy Mccheap hotel "Sani" which is by Shepard's
> Bush (or, that's the nearest terminal), and as for tourist crap
> we dunno really.  At least the Natural History Museum and maybe
> 221b Baker Street. Further, I guess just see "London".

A list I wrote while on the tube going to pick up my then girlfriend:

http://www.davehodgkinson.com/blog/2009/08/emergency-london-tourist-stuff-updated/

Baker Street is not on that list. The fish and chip shop on Lisson
Grove should be.

Re: beer? weekend of the 24th June in London

[Peter Corlett]

On 6 Jun 2011, at 10:34, Mallory van Achterberg wrote:
[...]
> Anyway I dunno what's the best manner to pick an evening... I assume
> whichever the most people can attend? And we have no idea what a 
> "good" pub is in the area.  If there isn't one, another area should
> be fine.

The nearest reasonable pub to your hotel is the Princess Victoria, a few 
minutes walk east. It's what you get when you take a typical British boozer and 
actually clean it and serve decent beer. The prices are a bit fearsome and it's 
a trek even from Shepherd's Bush, which is why I rarely go there. It's not 
suitable for a social, but it is somewhere to wet your throat and get fed near 
your hotel.

How about the Bridge House? It's a London.pm favourite, and it's near the Tower 
of London and Tower Bridge, so fits in with your tourist plans.

Re: beer? weekend of the 24th June in London

[Mallory van Achterberg]

On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 11:14:00AM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 11:34:23AM +0200, Mallory van Achterberg wrote:
> > Sorry, wasn't subscribed so couldn't reply.
> 
> For future reference, that's not actually true. Non-subscriber mail hits
> the moderation queue, and human non-subscribers usually then get whitelisted
> so that they don't need further moderation.
> 
> Now, you likely won't see a *reply* unless you're subscribed, but that's a
> different colour of bikeshed ... :-)

Ah, what I meant was, I have no idea how to set up headers to make
an email out of the blue be a reply, or get it in the same thread
as the other I made out of the blue. I dunno enough about email
headers.  Lawlz.  I saw replies easily enough on the archive.

So, was apologising for basically starting a whole new thread on the
same subject as earlier.

-Mallory

Re: beer? weekend of the 24th June in London

[Mallory van Achterberg]

So, Bridge House at 18 Tower Bridge Road, London on Saturday evening
25th June? (DuckDuckGo brought up another Bridge House in London but
this one seemed correct)

I'm looking at the suggestions of Nicholas, and wondering who is best
as "sponsor" of this. I suppose first we'd have to know who thinks
they can make it... and of them, who's a good candidate.

cheers,
-Mallory

On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 11:42:13AM +0100, Peter Corlett wrote:
> How about the Bridge House? It's a London.pm favourite, and it's near the 
> Tower of London and Tower Bridge, so fits in with your tourist plans.

Re: beer? weekend of the 24th June in London

[James Laver]

On 6 Jun 2011, at 12:11, Mallory van Achterberg wrote:

> So, Bridge House at 18 Tower Bridge Road, London on Saturday evening
> 25th June? (DuckDuckGo brought up another Bridge House in London but
> this one seemed correct)

That would be the one, yes.

> I'm looking at the suggestions of Nicholas, and wondering who is best
> as "sponsor" of this. I suppose first we'd have to know who thinks
> they can make it... and of them, who's a good candidate.

If someone is willing to do it, they will volunteer themselves. I'm normally 
unavailable on saturdays, or I'd do it.

/j

Re: beer? weekend of the 24th June in London

[Léon Brocard]

On 6 June 2011 12:11, Mallory van Achterberg  wrote:
> So, Bridge House at 18 Tower Bridge Road, London on Saturday evening
> 25th June? (DuckDuckGo brought up another Bridge House in London but
> this one seemed correct)

That sounds like a wonderful plan, and I can make it! Let's have an
emergency social meeting for you:

>From 6pm on 25th June 2011
Bridge House
218 Tower Bridge Road, SE1 2UP
http://london.randomness.org.uk/wiki.cgi?Bridge_House%2C_SE1_2UP

I shall be there, probably wearing orange. I'll try and bring a small
stuffed camel with me.

I'll reannounce it closer to the date. Who else can make it?

Cheers, Leon

Re: beer? weekend of the 24th June in London

[Ben Tisdall]

On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Léon Brocard  wrote:
> On 6 June 2011 12:11, Mallory van Achterberg  wrote:
>> So, Bridge House at 18 Tower Bridge Road, London on Saturday evening
>> 25th June? (DuckDuckGo brought up another Bridge House in London but
>> this one seemed correct)

> I'll reannounce it closer to the date. Who else can make it?
>
Count me in.

Re: Beer (was: Re: [PUB] Rising Sun, Ebury Bridge Road, Victoria)

[Lusercop]

On Fri, Jan 24, 2003 at 05:46:03AM -0800, Dave Cross wrote:
> Whilst the IPA is eminently drinkable, for a sublime drinking
> experience I recommend Abbot Ale. Or, even better, a half pint

Most of the Greene King IPA I've ever had tasted watered down. I've never
been that impressed with it. The Free Press in Cambridge used to have the
right idea, they'd store it in their cellars for 4-5 weeks after getting
it delivered before they'd break it open and start serving it. Of course,
when the pub changed ownership, the new owners went "Excellent, we've got
4 weeks worth of beer here, we don't have to order any for that long",
and these days, it tastes like water again.

It used to be a worthwhile pub.

Though I do like the Young's, though in general I prefer their bottled
stuff, unless they're serving Winter Warmer, and Fuller's. And, for the
other thread, the Sam Smiths crap is undrinkable.

-- 
Lusercop.net - LARTing Lusers everywhere since 2002

Re: Beer (was: Re: [PUB] Rising Sun, Ebury Bridge Road, Victoria)

[Nicholas Clark]

On Fri, Jan 24, 2003 at 03:08:48PM +, Lusercop wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 24, 2003 at 05:46:03AM -0800, Dave Cross wrote:
> > Whilst the IPA is eminently drinkable, for a sublime drinking
> > experience I recommend Abbot Ale. Or, even better, a half pint

I like Abbot Ale.
There. that was useful for everyone to know.

> Most of the Greene King IPA I've ever had tasted watered down. I've never
> been that impressed with it. The Free Press in Cambridge used to have the
> right idea, they'd store it in their cellars for 4-5 weeks after getting
> it delivered before they'd break it open and start serving it. Of course,

This seems logical. After all, it's "India Pale Ale" and as I understand it
was originally brewed for export to India. I'm not sure how long it took to
ship beer to India, but presumably it was at least 4-5 weeks.

Nicholas Clark

Re: Beer: March 17th, The Dolphin, 47 Tonbridge St, WC1H 9DW

[Martin A. Brooks]

On Tue, March 8, 2011 09:10, Martin A. Brooks wrote:
> Hi
>
> I suggest we meet up and drink beer and talk about $stuff, possibly
> relating to Perl in some way.  To help with this, http://antibodyMX.net/
> will be putting £100 behind the bar to get us started.
>
> I'll be on the ground during the day from around 6pm, my mobile is 07792
> 493 388 if you need help finding us.
>
> See you there.

This is today.

Re: Beer: March 17th, The Dolphin, 47 Tonbridge St, WC1H 9DW

[Martin A. Brooks]

On 8 Mar 2011, at 09:10, "Martin A. Brooks"  wrote:

> 
> I'll be on the ground during the day from around 6pm, my mobile is 07792
> 493 388 if you need help finding us


The back end of the pub has plenty of seating so we can cheerfully take over.  
That's where i am lurking. 
> 

Re: Beer: March 17th, The Dolphin, 47 Tonbridge St, WC1H 9DW

[Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker]

"Martin A. Brooks"  writes:

> On 8 Mar 2011, at 09:10, "Martin A. Brooks"  wrote:
>
>> 
>> I'll be on the ground during the day from around 6pm, my mobile is 07792
>> 493 388 if you need help finding us
>
> The back end of the pub has plenty of seating so we can cheerfully
> take over.  That's where i am lurking.

I'll be heading over shortly, but I'll have top pop by the Euston Tap to
see if they have any of the Nøgne Ø/Mikkeller Tyttebær (lingonberry)
beer left.



-- 
ilmari
"A disappointingly low fraction of the human race is,
 at any given time, on fire." - Stig Sandbeck Mathisen