Re: Sorry - this is just a test
David M. Wilson wrote: Or how about the bandwidth I'm about to waste by posting this reply? What I want to know is this: If each message I send cost hundreds, if not thousands of dollars to post, then where's my cut of all that revenue generated? A
Re: Sorry - this is just a test
* Andy Wardley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: What I want to know is this: If each message I send cost hundreds, if not thousands of dollars to post, then where's my cut of all that revenue generated? Andy don't you know anything? Your cut is being held by a group of Nigerian businessmen who need a reliable contact who can broker the money for them. Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sorry - this is just a test
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Philip Pereira wrote:
if (1) {
print The test worked!\n;
}
advice type=silly in relation to this
For all tests it's better to use a Test::Harness compatible output (e.g.
ok 1 - the test worked), and if all possible for maximum compatability
for using in conjuction with with other testing suites, please use a
Test::Builder based package, like Test::Simple or Test::More to create
this message to ensure consistant numbering.
#!/usr/bin/perl
# Turn on perl's safety features
use strict;
use warings;
# Load the testing library, expect 1 test to run
use Test::Simple tests = 1;
# simple test
ok(true,simple test);
--
#!/usr/bin/perl -T
use strict;
use warnings;
print q{Mark Fowler, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://twoshortplanks.com/};
Re: Sorry - this is just a test
On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 02:21:46AM +, Paul Makepeace wrote: Having said that, discussions like this usually result in an overall group position/consensus on the behaviour which contributes to group policy and sense of social context and history. Specifically, it might dissuade others from such emails in future :-) Well, it's a perl list, so maybe tests should be of the form 1..1 ok 1 - My e-mail does reach the list Or maybe they should be programs that print things like that out: Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook! Ook? Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook! Ook! Ook? Ook! Ook. Ook? Ook! Ook? Ook. Ook? Ook! Ook? Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook! Ook! Ook? Ook! Ook. Ook? Ook! Ook? Ook? Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook? Ook! Ook! Ook? Ook! Ook? Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook! Ook! Ook? Ook! Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook? Ook! Ook? Ook? Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook! Ook! Ook? Ook! Ook. Ook? Ook! Ook! Ook! Ook! Ook! Ook! Ook? Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook? Ook! Ook. Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook? Ook! Ook. Ook! Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook! Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook! Ook. Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook? Ook! Ook? Ook. Ook? Ook! Ook? Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook! Ook! Ook? Ook! Ook. Ook? Ook! Ook? Ook? Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook? Ook! Ook! Ook? Ook! Ook? Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook! Ook! Ook? Ook! Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook? Ook! Ook! Ook! Ook? Ook? Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook? Ook! Ook! Ook? Ook! Ook? Ook. Ook! Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook! Ook! Ook! Ook! Ook! Ook! Ook! Ook! Ook! Ook. Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook! Ook? Ook. Ook? Ook! Ook? Ook. Ook? Ook! Ook? Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook! Ook! Ook? Ook! Ook. Ook? Ook! Ook? Ook? Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook? Ook! Ook! Ook? Ook! Ook? Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook! Ook! Ook? Ook! Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook? Ook! Ook? Ook? Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook? Ook! Ook! Ook? Ook! Ook? Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook! Ook! Ook? Ook! Ook. Ook? Ook! Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook! Ook. Ook? Ook. Ook! Ook. or maybe they should be delurk messages, such as hi, my name is Nicholas Clark. I'm currently a C programmer working at $mumble beyond civilisation in a humourless office, but I use perl to regression test my C code, often using Inline::C. In my spare time I hack perl to avoid doing whatever I should be doing, particularly if it involves making things faster than they were before. I like Test::More. No, Schwern did not pay me to say this. I also like valgrind and ccache. or maybe they should be non-urgent questions like If the only message I ever sent was 1 question with no sig and no quoted text, would that put me top of Greg's list stats for signal to noise? or Do we know anything more about YAPC::EU::2003 yet, something more precise than Location: Paris Date: 2003 Colour: Pink ? Nicholas Clark
Re: Sorry - this is just a test
On Friday 03 January 2003 12:55, Nicholas Clark wrote: Do we know anything more about YAPC::EU::2003 yet, something more precise than Location: Paris Date: 2003 Colour: Pink Pink? .. whatsort of a poxy colo[u]r is that? whats wrong wiht, say, hmm I dunno, mmm Orange? -- Robin Szemeti
Re: Sorry - this is just a test
robin szemeti wrote: Pink? .. whatsort of a poxy colo[u]r is that? whats wrong wiht, say, hmm I dunno, mmm Orange? Yapc.org appears to be unreachable, but when it comes back the comments in the yapc europe page may give you an idea. Had they chosen a less ugly colour I would have of course jumped into the maquis with them, but as it is I'll remain gloomily unaligned... -- Robin Berjon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Research Engineer, Expwayhttp://expway.fr/ 7FC0 6F5F D864 EFB8 08CE 8E74 58E6 D5DB 4889 2488
Re: Sorry - this is just a test
At 14:35 + 1/3/03, robin szemeti wrote: On Friday 03 January 2003 12:55, Nicholas Clark wrote: Do we know anything more about YAPC::EU::2003 yet, something more precise than Location: Paris Date: 2003 Colour: Pink Pink? .. whatsort of a poxy colo[u]r is that? whats wrong wiht, say, hmm I dunno, mmm Orange? I think the colour was decided, at great expense I might add, at the YAPC::Europe 2002 in Munich. So I don't think it's open to negotiations... Liz
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* Elizabeth Mattijsen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I think the colour was decided, at great expense I might add, at the YAPC::Europe 2002 in Munich. So I don't think it's open to negotiations... Yeah, it seems fairly ghastly now, but somehow at the time setting the colour as luminescant pink seemed fairly tame compared to Damian and Schwerns naked wrestling. Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sorry - this is just a test
On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 04:10:31PM +0100, Robin Berjon wrote: Yapc.org appears to be unreachable, but when it comes back the comments in the yapc europe page may give you an idea. http://www.yapc.org/Europe/2003/index.html works fine for me... -- Natalie S. Ford . [EMAIL PROTECTED] . http://www.natalie.ourshack.org
Re: Sorry - this is just a test
On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 05:04:17PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: Yeah, it seems fairly ghastly now, but somehow at the time setting the colour as luminescant pink seemed fairly tame compared to Damian and Schwerns naked wrestling. 1) It was topless, not naked. B) It was arm wrestling, which is nowhere near as scary to watch. iii) IIRC, it was your idea for schwern to auction off the rest of his clothing. dha -- David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ I think I'd better sit down. You are sitting down. Oh. Good for me. - BtVS, Welcome to the Hellmouth
Re: Sorry - this is just a test
Dear all, Sorry for any inconvenience caused! I was having some problems with my subscription to london.pm and needed some way to check it was ok. The good news is that it's all sorted :) Sorry I wasn't able to make the meet yesterday; the photos looked intresting though! Am still set to meet you all (for the first time) next Thursday! -- Phil. --- (_ ) UNIX is user-friendly,\\\, ) ^ it's just picky about its friends!\/, \( cXc_/_) ---
Re: Sorry - this is just a test
On Fri, 3 Jan 2003 16:47:59 +0100, you (Elizabeth Mattijsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: At 14:35 + 1/3/03, robin szemeti wrote: On Friday 03 January 2003 12:55, Nicholas Clark wrote: Do we know anything more about YAPC::EU::2003 yet, something more precise than Location: Paris Date: 2003 Colour: Pink Pink? .. whatsort of a poxy colo[u]r is that? whats wrong wiht, say, hmm I dunno, mmm Orange? I think the colour was decided, at great expense I might add, at the ... but maybe not as priceless as the singing of Mr. Greg Frank Sinatra McCarroll ... YAPC::Europe 2002 in Munich. So I don't think it's open to negotiations... Certainly not, but the choice of colour might make it easier to bring in more money next YAPC::Europe ;-) -- mvh/Regards Kåre Olai Lindbach
Re: Sorry - this is just a test
* Kåre Olai Lindbach ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: ... but maybe not as priceless as the singing of Mr. Greg Frank Sinatra McCarroll ... i must stop you their Kare, you cannot compare me to Frank, after all I don't have blue eyes. Certainly not, but the choice of colour might make it easier to bring in more money next YAPC::Europe ;-) i think to be fair to paris they would of liked to have had a reserve on it, but reserves are very hard to do if the auctioneer favours chaos over any sort of organisation, so dont blame them and they are being good sports about it - besides i think its only the ``crew'' t-shirt that has to be pink Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sorry - this is just a test
On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 08:07:20PM +, Greg McCarroll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: * Kåre Olai Lindbach ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: ... but maybe not as priceless as the singing of Mr. Greg Frank Sinatra McCarroll ... i must stop you their Kare, you cannot compare me to Frank, after all I don't have blue eyes. Or (AFAIK) Mafia connections :) Dave... -- Drugs are just bad m'kay
Re: Sorry - this is just a test
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Or (AFAIK) Mafia connections :) As you know I am from Northern Ireland I am a stranger in this country, and I mean no disrespect to this group, or you. I am an Ulsterman hiding in London, my name is Greg 'Billy' McCarrollone, and there are people who would pay a lot for that information, but then you and your group would lose an ex-leader's kneecaps instead of gaining a monger. Capiche? G. -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sorry - this is just a test
Ok, Just to make it official:
if (1) {
print The test worked!\n;
}
Re: Sorry - this is just a test
On 2003-01-02, Philip Pereira [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Ok, Just to make it official:
if (1) {
print The test worked!\n;
}
So, um, I've always wondered; what sort of test of an e-mail system
requires you to send mail to a couple of hundred people rather than
to, say, yourself at another account, or a friend?
Thanks for a fun and plum-beer-enabled meet at the Pillars of Hercules
tonight for those who were there; we managed to drink all of the plum
beer, which is clearly an achievement worth celebrating. :-)
- Chris.
--
$a=printf.net; Chris Ball | chris@void.$a | www.$a | finger: chris@$a
Re: Sorry - this is just a test
On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 01:57:17AM +, Chris Ball wrote: So, um, I've always wondered; what sort of test of an e-mail system requires you to send mail to a couple of hundred people rather than to, say, yourself at another account, or a friend? This is an old trolls' favourite argument, try Google. Although it isn't often necessary, with closed mailing lists sometimes it's just /easier/ to fire off a mail and send 200k of headers flurrying around the net than to RTFM, RTFS, or whatever other argument there is. Take for eg. the confusion between envelope from, From:, and other types of headers that different MLMs treat differently. How can I know that my mails are getting through to london.pm without explicitly trying every combination of my subscribed address in each of the above headers until one of them arrives back in my mailbox? The answer is, that unless london.pm's list's exact configuration is documented, especially in regards to its policy on which posts belong to subscribers and which don't, this poor guy couldn't be sure his mails were arriving until he posted. Another debate that usually arises from such an e-mail is, have you ever considered the bandwidth you used up to flame him for sending the e-mail in the first place? Or how about the bandwidth I'm about to waste by posting this reply? David.
Re: Sorry - this is just a test
On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 02:12:31AM +, David M. Wilson wrote: Take for eg. the confusion between envelope from, From:, and other types of headers that different MLMs treat differently. How can I know that my mails are getting through to london.pm without explicitly trying every combination of my subscribed address in each of the above headers until one of them arrives back in my mailbox? Let's step back and ask why do I need to test it? Presumably since you (one) have something to say. So why not just keep saying it until it works? Why, purely from theoretcial standpoint curiosity, futz with something until you have something actually useful to contribute? In the same vein as gee, the group seems quiet today. Is this thing working? type emails. Another debate that usually arises from such an e-mail is, have you ever considered the bandwidth you used up to flame him for sending the e-mail in the first place? Or how about the bandwidth I'm about to waste by posting this reply? This is a pretty solid standpoint, IMO. And more generally an argument against many things, like splitting lists etc: the resulant traffic exceeds or at least approaches the originally perceived savings. Having said that, discussions like this usually result in an overall group position/consensus on the behaviour which contributes to group policy and sense of social context and history. Specifically, it might dissuade others from such emails in future :-) Paul -- Paul Makepeace ... http://paulm.com/ What is a trouble avoided? A cheetah, roaming the savannah. -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/
