Re: [luau] Introduction...
Welcome to the list Derrick. Feel free to ask questions whenever you need help. There is almost always someone who can help. --Ray
Re: [luau] dhcp-146-41
You are a total Ass and a disgrace to the Linux Community. Warren Togami wrote: Nobody cares. You clearly have not been reading a word we said, like usual. Joe Linux wrote: Today I'm still [EMAIL PROTECTED] jl]$ W. Wayne Liauh wrote: Red Hat: Your computer is being controlled by a server . . . Joe Linux previously wrote: Respectfully yours, [EMAIL PROTECTED] root]# ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
[luau] [Fwd: Athlon Comptuer] / Hard Drive
I got this email from Wayne Liauh, he now wants to give the computer that he gave to you and your group to me. While you are at it, please return the disk drive that I donated to Mid-Pac High school to be used for open source. I will make arrangements to donate it to a more deserving organization which does not have a leader who constantly insults persons who contribute financially to the cause of Linux and open source. We will inform Mid-Pac of the reasons why we are asking for its return. Original Message Subject: Athlon Comptuer Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 15:42:38 -1000 From: "W. Wayne Liauh" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Joe Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just realized that I don't have Warren Togami's e-mail address. Would you please ask him to hand back to you the Athlon computer that I personally delivered to him but apparently was never put in good use. If you have any problem, please let me know. Wayne
[luau] Re: PowerPC system for Linux
There is a local user's group (HMAUS) with an okay mailing list, a lot of the traffic consists of newbie questions but there are some knowledgeable local people on the list. There's also a local mac programmer list (no automatic sign-up, you have to email some guy request signup, this is explained on a page at http://kapu.net/hapa/). They're mac OS only, but maybe there's someone there that knows hardware or knows somebody/something. As for a site, just google would be my suggestion. I came up with: http://nofuncharlie.com/gnupples/ http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/stories/main/0,14179,2783056,00.html which look interesting to me but they seem to be more about linux/OS stuff. Of course, I am probably teaching grandma to suck eggs there. Delerious Dave - Original Message - From: Jimen Ching [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, December 27, 2002 7:03 am Subject: [despammed] [luau] PowerPC system for Linux Hi all, I'm thinking of upgrading my computer and I would like to move to a PowerPC system. I don't know much about the PowerPC world, and was wondering if anyone on the list could give me some pointers. Is there a site that has introductory information about the PowerPC or Mac world? I'm mainly looking for hardware information, since I have no plans to install MacOS X on my system. Thanks in advance. --jc -- Jimen Ching (WH6BRR) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau -- Filtered by despammed.com. Tracer: BAA056351040969244 Remember: you can forward any spam that slips through the filters to the abuse desk here at Despammed.
Re: [luau] [Fwd: Athlon Comptuer] / Hard Drive
On Friday 27 December 2002 07:57 am, Joe Linux wrote: I got this email from Wayne Liauh, he now wants to give the computer that he gave to you and your group to me. While you are at it, please return the disk drive that I donated to Mid-Pac High school to be used for open source. I will make arrangements to donate it to a more deserving organization which does not have a leader who constantly insults persons who contribute financially to the cause of Linux and open source. We will inform Mid-Pac of the reasons why we are asking for its return. Original Message Subject: Athlon Comptuer Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 15:42:38 -1000 From: W. Wayne Liauh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Joe Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just realized that I don't have Warren Togami's e-mail address. Would you please ask him to hand back to you the Athlon computer that I personally delivered to him but apparently was never put in good use. If you have any problem, please let me know. Wayne Unreal and completely childish. Joe, you and I split the cost of a Western Digital 120 gb hard drive for LUAU. This drive can not be returned to you. Videl has been up for nearly 200 days. It cannot come down to return this drive to you. I will personally buy you a replacement drive for the $100 that you donated. I do not know what Warren has done with the machine that Wayne gave him. If there is any problem returning it, I will personally purchase a complete and BETTER replacement for Wayne. You and Wayne are much older than most of us. Warren had no business taking some jab at you. He knows better. He is still a very young man, though. If what he said was wrong, why respond in kind? You should know better; you are an adult. Wayne is an adult, a professional lawyer. Now he wants you to get a computer from Warren and LUAU that he gave Warren and the group. What, are we in 5th grade or something? UNREAL. You will have a replacement drive. Wayne will have his replacement computer. I will buy both of these if needed. Please do the community a favor: take your toys that you want back and grow up. We are trying to do some good here. There is no time to deal with your hurt feelings. If the best you can do is ask for material goods back, take them and be on your merry way. I have plenty of money to replace your gifts. You will not hurt us with this action. scott
[luau] Ladies and Gentlemen
First things first. How are we going to take over the world when we can't even maintain a mailing list? What do we need to do to fix things here? An electorial process of officers? A new home for LUAU? A new server for LUAU? A new mailing list entirely? I believe that a local open source mailing list is essential for our state and I will do what it takes to make sure we continue to have one. I'm not blaming anyone for the current state of affairs, I just want to get things fixed. Where to next, gang? Ho'ala Joe Linux said: I got this email from Wayne Liauh, he now wants to give the computer that he gave to you and your group to me. While you are at it, please return the disk drive that I donated to Mid-Pac High school to be used for open source. I will make arrangements to donate it to a more deserving organization which does not have a leader who constantly insults persons who contribute financially to the cause of Linux and open source. We will inform Mid-Pac of the reasons why we are asking for its return. Original Message Subject: Athlon Comptuer Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 15:42:38 -1000 From: W. Wayne Liauh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Joe Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just realized that I don't have Warren Togami's e-mail address. Would you please ask him to hand back to you the Athlon computer that I personally delivered to him but apparently was never put in good use. If you have any problem, please let me know. Wayne
Re: [luau] Ladies and Gentlemen
This is the way to solve a problem. Excellent post Ho'ala! On Fri, 2002-12-27 at 10:29, Ho'ala Greevy wrote: First things first. How are we going to take over the world when we can't even maintain a mailing list? What do we need to do to fix things here? An electorial process of officers? A new home for LUAU? A new server for LUAU? A new mailing list entirely? I believe that a local open source mailing list is essential for our state and I will do what it takes to make sure we continue to have one. I'm not blaming anyone for the current state of affairs, I just want to get things fixed. Where to next, gang? Ho'ala
[luau] Flames Here
HAHAHAHA... Everyone, get your kill file and filters ready for the flame fest that is about to start! I suggest using Flames Here as the subject header so others can choose to ignore it. I can probably sum up the next two weeks of emails that are going to be bouncing around. There will be some poking and name calling, a few sorrys and some side choosing (you were right, he was wrong etc..), and a few detailed explanations of explaining a purpose for your/his/her existance and why. The ones with the a psychology background will be immediately obvious as will those with a preexisting grudge. In the end the flames will stop, a few feelings will be hurt but it will eventually be over. DISCLAIMER: This email was sent with humor in mind! I've been a LUAU subscriber since probably early/mid 1997 and there is nothing wrong with a good old fashion flame war. I'll start with this to get the ball rolling: Can't we all get along!!! Or my personal favorite: Everyone sucks!! ;) On Fri, 27 Dec 2002, Ho'ala Greevy wrote: First things first. How are we going to take over the world when we can't even maintain a mailing list?
Re: [luau] Flames Here
On Fri, 27 Dec 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll start with this to get the ball rolling: Can't we all get along!!! Or my personal favorite: Everyone sucks!! ;) The lurkers support me in email! -- Karen Lofstrom
Re: [luau] Re: PowerPC system for Linux
On Fri, 27 Dec 2002, Thomas David Burns wrote: There is a local user's group (HMAUS) with an okay mailing list, There's also a local mac programmer list (no automatic sign-up, you Thanks for the pointers to the user groups. My searches on google did return HMAUS, but HAPA didn't comeup. I'll subscribe and see what I can learn. Thanks again. --jc -- Jimen Ching (WH6BRR) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [luau] Ladies and Gentlemen
May I make a small suggestionhow about you folks consider removing a little of the ego, and if stuff is donated, it can be donated to the UH ICS department Advanced Network Computing Lab. I'm housing the server as it is, and can write a donation letter for tax purposes. This way donations are final, and the donors gets something nice at tax time. Unless UH decides to kick my behind out the door, I plan on supporting this group as much as possible. At the moment I have bandwidth to share, and DNS entries to support the group. Warren is VERY talented, but in his youthful enthusiasm sometimes forgets the 8th layer in the ISO model...the political layerplease consider ending this flame war and let's find a middle ground. If my lab is middle ground then fine, I'll write some nice 2002 donation letters. If another suggestion is forthcoming, I'll support that. This group is too valuable to the community to have confusion end it. Whoever started this flame war, how about you take it up with whoever you're mad at? I'd like to start up something more interesting like maybe a discussion on encrypted remote file systems like webdav or that new one based upon sftp that was written up in this months Linux journal??? What say you folks? /brian chee University of Hawaii ICS Dept Advanced Network Computing Lab 1680 East West Road, POST rm 311 Honolulu, HI 96822 808-956-5797 voice, 808-956-5175 fax - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [luau] Ladies and Gentlemen This is the way to solve a problem. Excellent post Ho'ala! On Fri, 2002-12-27 at 10:29, Ho'ala Greevy wrote: First things first. How are we going to take over the world when we can't even maintain a mailing list? What do we need to do to fix things here? An electorial process of officers? A new home for LUAU? A new server for LUAU? A new mailing list entirely? I believe that a local open source mailing list is essential for our state and I will do what it takes to make sure we continue to have one. I'm not blaming anyone for the current state of affairs, I just want to get things fixed. Where to next, gang? Ho'ala ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [luau] Flames Here
You get positive support? Based on how many times I see your name pop-up in news.admin.net-abuse.* and years ago when i used to actively read hawaii.*, I just assumed you were only making enemies!! Someone has to maintain some standards on usenet.. A task I do not normally attempt. On Fri, 27 Dec 2002, Karen Lofstrom wrote: On Fri, 27 Dec 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll start with this to get the ball rolling: Can't we all get along!!! Or my personal favorite: Everyone sucks!! ;) The lurkers support me in email!
Re: [luau] PowerPC system for Linux
On Thursday 26 December 2002 08:03 pm, Jimen Ching wrote: Hi all, I'm thinking of upgrading my computer and I would like to move to a PowerPC system. I don't know much about the PowerPC world, and was wondering if anyone on the list could give me some pointers. Is there a site that has introductory information about the PowerPC or Mac world? I'm mainly looking for hardware information, since I have no plans to install MacOS X on my system. Thanks in advance. I feel pretty sure, Jimen, that if you do a search on slashdot for some relevant strings you will find a lot of info about building ppc systems without involving Apple. There seems to be a thread every few weeks about do it yourself ppc kits and projects. One within the last two weeks discussed, I believe, a young company selling ppc boxen. Yellowdog linux will sell you a mac-free ppc server running linux. scott --jc
Re: [luau] PowerPC system for Linux
Well, I had different distros of Linuxppc (Linuxppc 2000, yellowdog, SUSE) on my mac till OSX came out ;). These are some of the sites I used to keep an eye on. (on the hardware side).. There's an open PPC processor project http://www.openppc.org/ which might be a place to start. The folks who make the yellowdog http://www.yellowdoglinux.com/ distro of PPC has come up with their own PPC motherboard. First time I've heard of it but it might be of interest to you http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/products/boxer/ For a comprehensive stash of hardware info on mac hardware there's www.everymac.com www.lowendmac.com Its an odd but interesting site for all sorts of misc. hardware related questions. Specially handy for esoteric hardware questions on ye olde macs. http://www.penguinppc.org/ This seems (or used to when I read it often) the most distro independent site dedicated to getting things to work on ppc machines. And of course the a FAQ... http://lppcfom.sourceforge.net/fom-serve/cache/350.html This doesn't seem to have been updated in a while but its worth it to check out the hardware compatibility list and links. A note about Linux on ppc machines: the distros tend to be a version behind the x86 releases. For the slightly more adventurous, there are netbsd and openbsd ports too. Plus I've heard or folks running just the Darwin side of OSX with X windows. There's a weird, weird relationship between Apple and the GNU folks (documented in all its gory detail on .macslash.com). The bottom line (from what I've read over the centuries) is that Apple isn't happy about people running anything but an Apple OS on Macs (but won't say so very loudly). So there's much mucking around with firmware to get distors to boot. I wrecked my mac many times in the early days. Maybe its better now, Specially with the yellow dog folks getting into the hardware side. Never tried their hardware though... My personal take on it is that Linux PPC is perfect for giving new life to old mac aren't supported (officially) by OSX. Good luck! mathisha
Re: [luau] [Fwd: Athlon Comptuer] / Hard Drive
After Mililani High School's refused the donation of Wayne's machine (because they had an extra Dell server to use for Linux and Oracle), we were going to use his Athlon computer parts to hopefully fix St. John's LTSP server. This still didn't happen yet, so it is among the several things that need to be done before school begins again in January. If Wayne wants the parts back, that is fine because we didn't put it to good use in a timely manner. As for the hard drive it is currently in production in Videl so instead I will personally write you a check for the $100 that you spent. Please send me your snail mail address in direct e-mail. I will speak nothing more on this incendiary matter. This has distracted me far too much from the the goals.
RE: [luau] Ladies and Gentlemen
I'd like to start up something more interesting like maybe a discussion on encrypted remote file systems like webdav or that new one based upon sftp that was written up in this months Linux journal??? What say you folks? /brian chee Brian I agree with your suggestions. Dan
RE: [luau] Re: PowerPC system for Linux
Jimen Please let me know how that turns out. Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jimen Ching Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 11:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [luau] Re: PowerPC system for Linux On Fri, 27 Dec 2002, Thomas David Burns wrote: There is a local user's group (HMAUS) with an okay mailing list, There's also a local mac programmer list (no automatic sign-up, you Thanks for the pointers to the user groups. My searches on google did return HMAUS, but HAPA didn't comeup. I'll subscribe and see what I can learn. Thanks again. --jc -- Jimen Ching (WH6BRR) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
RE: [luau] PowerPC system for Linux
Just received MLB and CPU from Intel (DB45PEBT2 MLB and 2.53 P4 CPU) that support hyper technology allowing one CPU to act as multiprocessors allowing faster data rates and complex math computations. I am eager to put it together as soon as I get a worthy case and maybe even a DVD RW. I am going to dual boot XP and RH8 Server on this. Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jimen Ching Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 8:04 PM To: LUAU Subject: [luau] PowerPC system for Linux Hi all, I'm thinking of upgrading my computer and I would like to move to a PowerPC system. I don't know much about the PowerPC world, and was wondering if anyone on the list could give me some pointers. Is there a site that has introductory information about the PowerPC or Mac world? I'm mainly looking for hardware information, since I have no plans to install MacOS X on my system. Thanks in advance. --jc -- Jimen Ching (WH6BRR) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [luau] Ladies and Gentlemen
On Friday 27 December 2002 11:13 am, Brian Chee wrote: May I make a small suggestionhow about you folks consider removing a little of the ego, and if stuff is donated, it can be donated to the UH ICS department Advanced Network Computing Lab. I'm housing the server as it is, and can write a donation letter for tax purposes. This way donations are final, and the donors gets something nice at tax time. Part of the application for 501(c)(3) status is stating what we intend to do as HOSEF to perpetuate our non-profit charitable status. I am pasting what I have filed with the IRS below. Basically, we break down our mission in percentages. The largest mission of HOSEF is to accumulate, refurbish, and donate hardware. The second is to teach and educate about Open Source through community outreach. The last is to support LUAU through donated space, hardware, and bandwidth. HOSEF is established as a non-profit charitable organization designed to withstand the torrid heats of ego, testosterone, and flame fests. Donations to it stay with it. No one individual controls the fate of the group. I have tried to model the organizational structure on the Open Source philosophies. I intend to announce and organizational meeting in the first few weeks of January to establish a steering committee. I have proposed people in the past who were not interested. Maybe you would be, Brian. Ho'ala expressed interest earlier today. He or your would be and excellent first leader or captain or chair or whatever we want to call it. Donating to UH is good. Donating to Mid-Pac is what we do now. I really feel like we should donate to ourselves, HOSEF. Then we own it, it is not institutional or individual dependant, tax-writeoffs are possible. I am really trying to organize HOSEF as a LONG term solution to the current little issues that arise. I won't be on the island forever, so it is definitely not MY organization, so to speak. It is yours. scott This is the attachment sent to the IRS for our 501 app. Form 1023 Part II Activities and Organizational Information 1. Our primary activity is the collection of donated computer hardware from government and private sources. Using volunteer labor, the hardware is renovated and donated to schools, religious, and charitable organizations. The mission of the group is to promote the benefits of free, Open Source Software. This software is installed on the hardware to make it operable with no licensing fees. This cycle of contribution is the primary activity perpetuating the charitable status. This activity has been ongoing by an informal group of individuals for over a year. It is now being formalized. A local retailer and a local school have donated space where donated hardware is being stored and volunteers meet to refurbish it. The collecting and donating of computers is 70% of the organization's activity. There are always going to be particular needs when computers are installed that cannot be met with donated hardware. Some school projects will need a new server with new hardware. HOSEF intends to raise funds through solicitations and publicity in order to buy these components for the schools. This activity has not yet occurred, but it will be conducted by volunteers willing to spend the time doing it. It is expected to be 10% of the organization's activities. Another 15% of the Hawaii Open Source Education Foundation's activities will be community education and outreach through free seminars and on-site consultations. By inviting educators, other non-profits, and the general public to these seminars, we will have the opportunity to demonstrate the comprehensive capabilities of Open Source Software, all availabe for free. This activity has been ongoing for a few years, again informally, by a few volunteer members of HOSEF. It is anticipated that, beginning in 2003, more effort will be made to invite the public to informational seminars conducted by volunteers in donated spaces. The remaining 5% of HOSEF's activities will be the support and sustenance of the local Linux User's Group called the Mid-Pacific Linux User's Group (MPLUG). This is a volunteer group of computer professionals, students, and enthusiasts organized around an emailing list entitled LUAU. There are no dues and participation is strictly voluntary. This group is the intellectual engine of the Open Source community in Hawaii. Enabling it with donated hardware and network resources can insure its continued contribution to our culture. Heretofore, resources donated to it were not recognized as having been given to any particular organization. These activities will be ongoing and conducted by volunteers. The activities will be organized around the organization's website, hosef.org.
[luau] Hyper technology
On Fri, 27 Dec 2002, LinuxDan wrote: Just received MLB and CPU from Intel (DB45PEBT2 MLB and 2.53 P4 CPU) that support hyper technology allowing one CPU to act as multiprocessors allowing faster data rates and complex math computations. I am eager to put it together as soon as I get a worthy case and maybe even a DVD RW. I am going to dual boot XP and RH8 Server on this. At work, we bought one of these systems with dual P4 processors with this hyper technology. My co-worker tried to get RedHat 7.3 to work on this system and failed. The Linux kernel had trouble detecting the processor because of the hyper technology. He had to disable this feature to get the kernel to boot. I would be interested in finding out if you were able to get linux to boot with this feature enabled. --jc -- Jimen Ching (WH6BRR) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [luau] Hyper technology
Jimen Ching wrote: On Fri, 27 Dec 2002, LinuxDan wrote: Just received MLB and CPU from Intel (DB45PEBT2 MLB and 2.53 P4 CPU) that support hyper technology allowing one CPU to act as multiprocessors allowing faster data rates and complex math computations. I am eager to put it together as soon as I get a worthy case and maybe even a DVD RW. I am going to dual boot XP and RH8 Server on this. At work, we bought one of these systems with dual P4 processors with this hyper technology. My co-worker tried to get RedHat 7.3 to work on this system and failed. The Linux kernel had trouble detecting the processor because of the hyper technology. He had to disable this feature to get the kernel to boot. I would be interested in finding out if you were able to get linux to boot with this feature enabled. --jc Hyperthreading you mean? RH8.0, Mandrake 9.0 or SuSE 8.1 or newer should be able to handle it just fine.
Re: [luau] [Fwd: Athlon Comptuer] / Hard Drive
We are not trying to hurt you, and I actually respect you and your efforts very much, unfortunately the fact of the matter is Warren's conduct has become untenable and apparently he has very much soured both of us. As you point out, we are much older, I'm quite sure I was using a computer before Warren was even born. I admit that doesn't mean much, but we certainly deserve more respect and more appropriate behavior from him. Actually I have never had a problem with anyone in the group besides Warren, but as I said before I find his conduct totally unacceptable, and I regret donating in any way to his efforts. I have also pointed out before that I'm a contributing and respected member of the CLUE (Colorado Linux Users and Enthusiasts) group in Denver Colorado, and have never experienced or seen anything similar. R. Scott Belford wrote: On Friday 27 December 2002 07:57 am, Joe Linux wrote: I got this email from Wayne Liauh, he now wants to give the computer that he gave to you and your group to me. While you are at it, please return the disk drive that I donated to Mid-Pac High school to be used for open source. I will make arrangements to donate it to a more deserving organization which does not have a leader who constantly insults persons who contribute financially to the cause of Linux and open source. We will inform Mid-Pac of the reasons why we are asking for its return. Original Message Subject: Athlon Comptuer Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 15:42:38 -1000 From: "W. Wayne Liauh" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Joe Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just realized that I don't have Warren Togami's e-mail address. Would you please ask him to hand back to you the Athlon computer that I personally delivered to him but apparently was never put in good use. If you have any problem, please let me know. Wayne Unreal and completely childish. Joe, you and I split the cost of a Western Digital 120 gb hard drive for LUAU. This drive can not be returned to you. Videl has been up for nearly 200 days. It cannot come down to return this drive to you. I will personally buy you a replacement drive for the $100 that you donated. I do not know what Warren has done with the machine that Wayne gave him. If there is any problem returning it, I will personally purchase a complete and BETTER replacement for Wayne. You and Wayne are much older than most of us. Warren had no business taking some jab at you. He knows better. He is still a very young man, though. If what he said was wrong, why respond in kind? You should know better; you are an adult. Wayne is an adult, a professional lawyer. Now he wants you to get a computer from Warren and LUAU that he gave Warren and the group. What, are we in 5th grade or something? UNREAL. You will have a replacement drive. Wayne will have his replacement computer. I will buy both of these if needed. Please do the community a favor: take your toys that you want back and grow up. We are trying to do some good here. There is no time to deal with your hurt feelings. If the best you can do is ask for material goods back, take them and be on your merry way. I have plenty of money to replace your "gifts." You will not hurt us with this action. scott ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [luau] Introduction...
Derrick, Welcome to the list! Ben
Re: [luau] [Fwd: Athlon Comptuer] / Hard Drive
Scott- Thank you for forwarding me those interesting discussions. I am sure everyone has a lot of things to worry about than to be engaged in mud wrestling. Can we all respect privacy? What about ALOHA? (Oddly, my tirade towards RoadRunner's dhcp was about privacy, but no one seems to be able to catch that.) Arguments are very healthy to reinvigorate a public forum, but are unfair to those (such as myself in this case) who have no way of knowing that his/her name is being toasted around. I don't know how I got involved in this, but: Warren: I thought all the personal info about LUAU should be kept confidential, including who's joining and who's leaving? I don't know whether Scott has forwarded you my reply to his kind message, but I DO have urgent matters to take care of--I just came back from the federal district court on Ala Moana--and will not be able to continue doing what I thought would be beneficial to our community. (Re the Athlon/PII combo, I respect George as one of the most enthusiastic Linux aficionados I have ever known, from whom I have also learned a lot about Linux desktops. George is currently frustrated because his wife does not allow him to buy a new PC. And if you do not have plans of using it, I would like George to have it. Otherwise, I have another machine which will retire soon and he will have it.) Georgy, my good ol' buddy: I don't know how you manage to provoke Warren the way he was able to completely lose his usual cool. I have noticed that you do have a very special talent of making recipient of your communication become totally insane. But remember LUAU is primarily a forum for kids to learn and practice their skills, both techically as well as professionally. I wish I could do more for them. You should do the same. I hate to interrupt your lively discussions but I don't like to see my name being toasted behind my back. Regarding RoadRunner, I have nothing but deep appreciations. I have often mentioned to my friends that in Hawaii, we have the weather and we have Roadrunner. As I probably mentioned here before, I have heard tons of horrible stories about their cable modem services on the mainland, but not with mine. The fact that so many LUAU members, both on- and off-line, came to their defense is a testimonial to their excellent services. But, again, the issue is not about technical matters--RoadRunnder definitely does its job nad has complied with the industry standards. My issue is about transparency. With Windows, I would never had noticed the fixed hostname issue. Whether it is good or not (as Eric pointed out, a fixed IP would have cost more), is not the point. With a more transparent system like Linux, at least I have an opportunity to discover that something that has been accepted as the industrial standard may not be what I thought it should be. I am sure you guys/gals are all Linux/xNIX advocates, and I just don't see how all of you can miss this point. Since I open this issue again, it is probably unfair for me to say that, for those who agree or disagree with me, please let this dhcp issue die. I agree with everything you guys said (Vince, Dustin, Eric, Warren, Ray, and others). Let the elder (i.e., me) take a final parting shot., OK? If you are interested in the transparency issue, read the Dec 18 issue of Nihon Keizai Shinbum. It was exactly because of this transparency issue, or more specifically, the lack thereof with Windows, Japan's LDP (the one which that actually makes policy decisions) has decided to use Linux (at least along with Windows) in renewing their national information system, which is expected to complete in 2007 and is budgeted at 2 trillion Yen. Fujitsu, the No. 1 computer company in Japan, plans to beef up its Linux staff to 10,000 in year 2003, and increase its Linux RD staff tenfold to 1000. The No. 2 NEC also has a similar plan. But everyone in our state gov is still clueless. (Warren, does that explain to you why I am so agitated?) R. Scott Belford wrote: On Friday 27 December 2002 07:57 am, Joe Linux wrote: I got this email from Wayne Liauh, he now wants to give the computer that he gave to you and your group to me. While you are at it, please return the disk drive that I donated to Mid-Pac High school to be used for open source. I will make arrangements to donate it to a more deserving organization which does not have a leader who constantly insults persons who contribute financially to the cause of Linux and open source. We will inform Mid-Pac of the reasons why we are asking for its return. Original Message Subject: Athlon Comptuer Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 15:42:38 -1000 From: W. Wayne Liauh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Joe Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just realized that I don't have Warren Togami's e-mail address. Would you please ask him to hand back to you the Athlon computer that I
Re: [luau] [Fwd: Athlon Comptuer] / Hard Drive
On Fri, 27 Dec 2002, W. Wayne Liauh wrote: OK? If you are interested in the transparency issue, read the Dec 18 issue of Nihon Keizai Shinbum. Is this a newspaper? Can it be found online? Can I find it at the State Library? But everyone in our state gov is still clueless. (Warren, does that explain to you why I am so agitated?) I want this hostname thread to die as well. But I do want to understand the bigger picture of Linux transparency and privacy. What is the relationship between transparency (or the lack there of) and privacy? I would imagine they would be orthogonal. It would help if you could explain it without referencing hostname and/or DHCP. I assume the transparency/privacy issues go beyond this tool. Also, does the article you mentioned above discuss the definition of transparency? My definition of transparency is--the behavior of a system that does not require user intervention. Is this what we are talking about? --jc -- Jimen Ching (WH6BRR) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [luau] Hyper technology
On Fri, 27 Dec 2002, Warren Togami wrote: Hyperthreading you mean? Yes, hyperthreading. RH8.0, Mandrake 9.0 or SuSE 8.1 or newer should be able to handle it just fine. I doubt the issue is with the distribution. What kernel version is used in RH8.0? RH7.3 uses a patched 2.4.18. --jc -- Jimen Ching (WH6BRR) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [luau] Hyper technology
Jimen Ching wrote: RH8.0, Mandrake 9.0 or SuSE 8.1 or newer should be able to handle it just fine. I doubt the issue is with the distribution. What kernel version is used in RH8.0? RH7.3 uses a patched 2.4.18. --jc 8.0 uses 2.4.18 with many more additional patches. I checked through my mail archives and there was some discussion in both Red Hat 7.3 and 8.0 about hyperthreading, and the consensus was that it should be working in 7.3. If it didn't work in some case, then it should be reported as a bug. Please let me know if you find a case where it doesn't work properly and I will report it through the proper channels. (8.0.92 beta uses a heavily patched 2.4.20 kernel.) Warren
Re: [luau] Ladies and Gentlemen
far out...I did the non-profit educationally oriented corporation MANY years ago for the Hawaii Netware Users Group (HINUG) but alas, interest in Netware waned and the group died. However the tax exempt status was greathowever there were a couple gotchas that I'd like to pass on. 1.You MUST run at least 1 general meeting a year and it must be run by something like Robert's Rules of Order. 2.At that general meeting, two things MUST happen: a.An advisory board of directors must be voted upon and the installed after voting b.A rollover resolution for funds obtained but not spent in the past fiscal year, be rolled over to the next fiscal year to help fund overall long term goals of the organization. 3.The minutes of this meeting must be published or be available for public inspection. If you can do all three, then it works and donations are legalif you don'tthen the IRS will have a conversation with you. Oh yeah...I made the suggestion about donating to UH since this issue came up nowthat way the donation can be made and whoever can get a donation letter this tax year. However, having said that, I am FULLY in support of the group getting non-profit status and yes ALL the donations should go to the group. However, I would still suggest that donations that will eventually go to a school, be donated directly to said school. If you're a class-c corporation and the gear is two years old or less...there is a special tax credit if it goes to a K-12 educational institution. /brian chee University of Hawaii ICS Dept Advanced Network Computing Lab 1680 East West Road, POST rm 311 Honolulu, HI 96822 808-956-5797 voice, 808-956-5175 fax - Original Message - From: R. Scott Belford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [luau] Ladies and Gentlemen On Friday 27 December 2002 11:13 am, Brian Chee wrote: May I make a small suggestionhow about you folks consider removing a little of the ego, and if stuff is donated, it can be donated to the UH ICS department Advanced Network Computing Lab. I'm housing the server as it is, and can write a donation letter for tax purposes. This way donations are final, and the donors gets something nice at tax time. Part of the application for 501(c)(3) status is stating what we intend to do as HOSEF to perpetuate our non-profit charitable status. I am pasting what I have filed with the IRS below. Basically, we break down our mission in percentages. The largest mission of HOSEF is to accumulate, refurbish, and donate hardware. The second is to teach and educate about Open Source through community outreach. The last is to support LUAU through donated space, hardware, and bandwidth. HOSEF is established as a non-profit charitable organization designed to withstand the torrid heats of ego, testosterone, and flame fests. Donations to it stay with it. No one individual controls the fate of the group. I have tried to model the organizational structure on the Open Source philosophies. I intend to announce and organizational meeting in the first few weeks of January to establish a steering committee. I have proposed people in the past who were not interested. Maybe you would be, Brian. Ho'ala expressed interest earlier today. He or your would be and excellent first leader or captain or chair or whatever we want to call it. Donating to UH is good. Donating to Mid-Pac is what we do now. I really feel like we should donate to ourselves, HOSEF. Then we own it, it is not institutional or individual dependant, tax-writeoffs are possible. I am really trying to organize HOSEF as a LONG term solution to the current little issues that arise. I won't be on the island forever, so it is definitely not MY organization, so to speak. It is yours. scott This is the attachment sent to the IRS for our 501 app. Form 1023 Part II Activities and Organizational Information 1. Our primary activity is the collection of donated computer hardware from government and private sources. Using volunteer labor, the hardware is renovated and donated to schools, religious, and charitable organizations. The mission of the group is to promote the benefits of free, Open Source Software. This software is installed on the hardware to make it operable with no licensing fees. This cycle of contribution is the primary activity perpetuating the charitable status. This activity has been ongoing by an informal group of individuals for over a year. It is now being formalized. A local retailer and a local school have donated space where donated hardware is being stored and volunteers meet to refurbish it. The collecting and donating of computers is 70% of the organization's activity. There are always going to be particular needs when computers are installed that cannot be met with donated hardware. Some school projects will need a new server with new
Re: [luau] Hyper technology
On Fri, 27 Dec 2002, Warren Togami wrote: 8.0 uses 2.4.18 with many more additional patches. I checked through my mail archives and there was some discussion in both Red Hat 7.3 and 8.0 about hyperthreading, and the consensus was that it should be working in 7.3. If it didn't work in some case, then it should be reported as a bug. Please let me know if you find a case where it doesn't work properly and I will report it through the proper channels. I'll bring this up at work. Thanks. --jc -- Jimen Ching (WH6BRR) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[luau] Seminar - Introduction to Linux for Schools
http://www.mplug.org/phpwiki/index.php/MPLUGSeminar15 Seminar: Introduction to Linux for Schools Date: Monday, December 30th, 2002 Time: 5:30pm - 7:30pm Food: RSVP if you want to order $5 pizza and soda. Location: Mid-Pacific Institute KCC3 Linux Thin Client Lab Map and Driving Directions http://www.mplug.org/phpwiki/index.php/MPIKCC3 At this seminar we will go over the ways in which Linux can benefit schools. We will begin to introduce the technical aspects of how LTSP (Linux Terminal Server Project) thin clients are installed and configured. Attendees will be able to try Mid-Pac's own LTSP thin clients in production, upgraded to the latest Gnome2 environment. It is the hope of this and future sessions that more people will learn about the intricacies of LTSP so we have many community members available to support Linux in schools. If you can't make this session, don't worry, there will be many more. With the extreme cost savings and improved reliability of Linux, we have a huge opportunity to provide many computer labs to the State even during these weak economic times. This seminar is targetted mainly to Educators and community volunteers. The topics of this seminar include: 1. Linux services for schools * Precendents of Linux success around the world * Firewall, File Print server, Mail, Web, etc. 2. LTSP installation and configuration 3. Community involvement 4. The role of the new charity organization - Hawaii Open Source Education Foundation Please RSVP e-mail Warren Togami at [EMAIL PROTECTED] with subject LINUX SEMINAR 15 if you plan on coming. Please let me know if you want us to order pizza and soda for you for $5. Warren Togami [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mid-Pacific Linux User's Group http://www.mplug.org Hawaii Open Source Education Foundation http://www.hosef.org http://www.mplug.org/phpwiki/index.php/MPLUGSeminar15
Re: [luau] Ladies and Gentlemen
On Friday 27 December 2002 05:46 pm, Brian Chee wrote: far out...I did the non-profit educationally oriented corporation MANY years ago for the Hawaii Netware Users Group (HINUG) but alas, interest in Netware waned and the group died. However the tax exempt status was greathowever there were a couple gotchas that I'd like to pass on. I love Novell. Well done with that initiative. Well done. 1.You MUST run at least 1 general meeting a year and it must be run by something like Robert's Rules of Order. 2.At that general meeting, two things MUST happen: a.An advisory board of directors must be voted upon and the installed after voting b.A rollover resolution for funds obtained but not spent in the past fiscal year, be rolled over to the next fiscal year to help fund overall long term goals of the organization. 3.The minutes of this meeting must be published or be available for public inspection. If you can do all three, then it works and donations are legalif you don'tthen the IRS will have a conversation with you. Many thanks for the tips. I will have to do more reading. The application for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt status does not depend upon by-laws defining any organizational structure. I did not see anything about funds rollover. We are applying for this as a volunteer based charitable organization, so perhaps some of the requirements are different. Now that you have said this, I am definitely going to scour the man pages to be sure that I am not overlooking anything. Oh yeah...I made the suggestion about donating to UH since this issue came up nowthat way the donation can be made and whoever can get a donation letter this tax year. However, having said that, I am FULLY in support of the group getting non-profit status and yes ALL the donations should go to the group. However, I would still suggest that donations that will eventually go to a school, be donated directly to said school. If you're a class-c corporation and the gear is two years old or less...there is a special tax credit if it goes to a K-12 educational institution. You are a good man to offer the immense resources of UH. Something that I discovered and posted to the list a little bit ago was the fact that an organization such as ours, which is already a legal, charitable non-profit, can legally accept donations. Our application for tax-free status only has to be made if we collect more than $5000 in a year of operation. While I have gone ahead and applied for the 501(c)(3) tax-exemption status, we can legally donate to ourselves this year. I can write you a letter. I certainly intend to deduct the few expenses that I have incurred in the incorporation steps. HOSEF PO Box 392 Kailua, HI 96734 808.230.8845 scott
Re: [luau] Ladies and Gentlemen
Actually you'll never find the rollover thingie in the 501 stuff.we got that from the coopers and lybrand tax accountantsit's the same rollover that communities have to do (association of apartment owners, etc) so that you can acrue money over several years for large scale improvements (road paving etc) that can't be funded in a single year. The HINUG group acrued bucks so that we could fund an annual conferenceit took several years to raise enough money to do the first one. So you folks could do the same for server purchases, buying a bunch of refurb laptops for portable classrooms, etcwhatever you can imagine. All in all a good thing so that you don't have to pay taxes on monies that you don't manage to spend in a single fiscal year. /brian chee University of Hawaii ICS Dept Advanced Network Computing Lab 1680 East West Road, POST rm 311 Honolulu, HI 96822 808-956-5797 voice, 808-956-5175 fax - Original Message - From: R. Scott Belford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [luau] Ladies and Gentlemen On Friday 27 December 2002 05:46 pm, Brian Chee wrote: far out...I did the non-profit educationally oriented corporation MANY years ago for the Hawaii Netware Users Group (HINUG) but alas, interest in Netware waned and the group died. However the tax exempt status was greathowever there were a couple gotchas that I'd like to pass on. I love Novell. Well done with that initiative. Well done. 1.You MUST run at least 1 general meeting a year and it must be run by something like Robert's Rules of Order. 2.At that general meeting, two things MUST happen: a.An advisory board of directors must be voted upon and the installed after voting b.A rollover resolution for funds obtained but not spent in the past fiscal year, be rolled over to the next fiscal year to help fund overall long term goals of the organization. 3.The minutes of this meeting must be published or be available for public inspection. If you can do all three, then it works and donations are legalif you don'tthen the IRS will have a conversation with you. Many thanks for the tips. I will have to do more reading. The application for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt status does not depend upon by-laws defining any organizational structure. I did not see anything about funds rollover. We are applying for this as a volunteer based charitable organization, so perhaps some of the requirements are different. Now that you have said this, I am definitely going to scour the man pages to be sure that I am not overlooking anything. Oh yeah...I made the suggestion about donating to UH since this issue came up nowthat way the donation can be made and whoever can get a donation letter this tax year. However, having said that, I am FULLY in support of the group getting non-profit status and yes ALL the donations should go to the group. However, I would still suggest that donations that will eventually go to a school, be donated directly to said school. If you're a class-c corporation and the gear is two years old or less...there is a special tax credit if it goes to a K-12 educational institution. You are a good man to offer the immense resources of UH. Something that I discovered and posted to the list a little bit ago was the fact that an organization such as ours, which is already a legal, charitable non-profit, can legally accept donations. Our application for tax-free status only has to be made if we collect more than $5000 in a year of operation. While I have gone ahead and applied for the 501(c)(3) tax-exemption status, we can legally donate to ourselves this year. I can write you a letter. I certainly intend to deduct the few expenses that I have incurred in the incorporation steps. HOSEF PO Box 392 Kailua, HI 96734 808.230.8845 scott ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
[luau] Re: LUAU digest, Vol 1 #544 - 14 msgs
| Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 20:03:37 -1000 (HST) | From: Jimen Ching [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Subject: [luau] PowerPC system for Linux | | Hi all, | | I'm thinking of upgrading my computer and I would like to move to a | PowerPC system. I don't know much about the PowerPC world, and was | wondering if anyone on the list could give me some pointers. Is there a | site that has introductory information about the PowerPC or Mac world? | I'm mainly looking for hardware information, since I have no plans to | install MacOS X on my system. | | Thanks in advance. | | --jc | Jimen, Unless you have some very specific compute tasks that can benefit from Altivec optomized code, I can tell you that you will not get anywhere close to the bang-for-the-buck that you get with x86. This seems to be the general consensus on the net and my own experience in running Linux x86 and Linux PPC confirms it. All you get is a more limited platform that runs slower and costs more (for the vast majority of tasks). Apple does make great hardware, but they are way behind in the processor race, no matter how elegantly they try to spin it in their marketing materials. Don't get me wrong: I love my iBook running Yellow Dog Linux; but for browsing the web, email and similarly non-compute intensive tasks (I do curse the CPU at times :-) IMO, if you want to run Linux on a desktop or a server x86 is the clear way to go at the present time. That all said, I know some folks just love the combination. Here are a couple of pointers so this post is not considered totally worthless... http://penguinppc.org/ http://www.yellowdoglinux.com/ --Eric -- Eric Jeschke http://cs.uhh.hawaii.edu/~jeschke
Re: [luau] [Fwd: Athlon Comptuer] / Hard Drive
On Fri, Dec 27, 2002 at 05:01:07PM -1000, W. Wayne Liauh wrote: Arguments are very healthy to reinvigorate a public forum, but are unfair to those (such as myself in this case) who have no way of knowing that his/her name is being toasted around. I certainly welcome open and thoughtful debates. However, when things do degenerate, it is best to not flame on a public forum and try to resolve things privately, e.g. E-mail, phone call, or over a beer. Otherwise take it to usenet. :) And for repeat offenders, I have a personal preference of ignoring the [ab]user if it gets intolerable. A short procmail recipe works wonders to ignore a frustrating user. But, again, the issue is not about technical matters -- RoadRunnder definitely does its job nad has complied with the industry standards. My issue is about transparency. I thought it was about privacy? With respect to transparency, dhcp probably should not be changing the hostname by default. I would file that off as a non-critical bug, and see how the distribution makers want to deal with it. But, if non-technical users were educated to invest in a firewall, they would get increased security _and_ transparency. -Vince
Re: [luau] Re: LUAU digest, Vol 1 #544 - 14 msgs
On Fri, 27 Dec 2002, Eric Jeschke wrote: Unless you have some very specific compute tasks that can benefit from Altivec optomized code, I can tell you that you will not get anywhere close to the bang-for-the-buck that you get with x86. This seems to be the general consensus on the net and my own experience in running Linux x86 and Linux PPC confirms it. All you get is a more limited platform that runs slower and costs more (for the vast majority of tasks). I assume this conclusion is based on Apple hardware? You could say the same for IBM hardware. You're just paying the premiums on the logo. Apple does make great hardware, but they are way behind in the processor race, no matter how elegantly they try to spin it in their marketing materials. I heard the opposite. I heard the higher clock rates of the Pentium 4's give you no advantages. I heard clock rates of 800Mhz is all you need for home use and most business use. I also heard that an 800Mhz PowerPC out performs an 800Mhz Pentium II/III, and consumes less power. Of course, performance benchmarks these days are heavily dependent on other things besides CPU clock rates, like cache size/speed, and other processor theories not related to the master clock. Don't get me wrong: I love my iBook running Yellow Dog Linux; but for browsing the web, email and similarly non-compute intensive tasks (I do curse the CPU at times :-) Isn't the iBook still using G3 processors? I believe these processors max out at 600-700Mhz. But most of the G3 systems I've found doesn't come anywhere close. What is your processor speed? IMO, if you want to run Linux on a desktop or a server x86 is the clear way to go at the present time. I think this used to be the case. But after doing some research, I found out a few things. First, Apple's hardware seems to be really under powered. If you do a search for the Macs that came out between 2000 and 2001, they are all G3 based, and under 500Mhz. There doesn't seem to be any good reason for this. Second, I found lots of information on upgrading your PowerMacs. Clearly, Apple's customers also think the hardware coming out of Apple is under powered. At this point, the only advantage that x86 have over PowerPC is the software. There are clearly more software available for x86 than Macs. But for Linux, this advantage disappears. Of course, Linux on PowerPC is not as mature as Linux on x86. But for the parts that I care about, it's close enough. ;-) Below is an email I wrote to the HMAUS mailing list. --jc -- Jimen Ching (WH6BRR) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Here is what I'm trying to do. I want a dual 1Ghz PowerPC G4 system. I will be using this system for personal software development as well as using multimedia applications. Most likely at the same time. Some of the apps I'll be working on will be multimedia apps. I don't want to buy a PowerMac for 3000 to 4000 dollars, only to discard all of the software. Not to mention the premium on the Apple logo. I'm not too thrilled with that white tower case either. :( So what I've done so far is search google for a PowerPC desktop. The only thing I've found so far is TerraSoft's Teron motherboard (based on Mai Logic's chipset). There are two problems I have with this system. First, it uses the PowerPC 750 microprocessor. This chip max'es out at 600Mhz clock speed. The second problem is that, it seems, this processor is soldered onto the motherboard. This means I can't upgrade it myself if I wanted to. This system is exactly what I want, except for these two limitations. The second board I found is the Pegasos microATX motherboard from bplan. This is basically the same as the Teron. Some say the Teron is based on this board. The Teron uses the ATX form factor, while Pegasos uses microATX. The major difference between these motherboards is that the Pegasos has a CPU slot. Other differences include on-board sound and Ethernet. But that is minor for me. bplan's website specifically says this CPU slot supports a dual G4 upto 1Ghz. But the same website doesn't mention anything about this CPU card. And that is where my problems began. I basically have two questions. 1. Is this CPU slot standard? The only CPU card I've found are upgrade daughter cards for the PowerMac's. From the pictures of these upgrade cards, they don't look like they will fit the CPU slot on the Pegasos. Where can I find CPU cards for this motherboard? I'm looking specifically for a dual G4 version. I believe bplan has a single G3 version already. Also, if someone could point me to some technical specs on this CPU slot, that would be great. I did a bunch of searches on google, and came up empty. 2. bplan GmbH does not sell this motherboard. They go through a distributor in France called Thendic. The Thendic website doesn't give too much information about the complete system. All I
Re: [luau] [Fwd: Athlon Comptuer] / Hard Drive
On Sat, 28 Dec 2002, Vince Hoang wrote: With respect to transparency, dhcp probably should not be changing the hostname by default. May I ask the reasoning behind this? users were educated to invest in a firewall, they would get increased security _and_ transparency. May I also ask how setting the hostname could decrease security and/or transparency? Also, what is your definition of transparency and security? I might as well ask this one also. How is setting the hostname a violation of privacy? What is your definition of privacy? These are not rethorical questions. I would really like to know if there are security and privacy issues with DHCP. If such issues exist, they should be brought up with the IETF working group. After all, the link I provided earlier was to a draft only. --jc -- Jimen Ching (WH6BRR) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [luau] Hyper technology
Jimen I am using the Intel 2.53 CPU and MLB that uses hyperthreading on triple boot system running RH8, W2K and XP. Actually RH8 utilizes it better than MS. I have 200% increase in speed and data transfer rates. Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jimen Ching Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 5:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [luau] Hyper technology On Fri, 27 Dec 2002, Warren Togami wrote: Hyperthreading you mean? Yes, hyperthreading. RH8.0, Mandrake 9.0 or SuSE 8.1 or newer should be able to handle it just fine. I doubt the issue is with the distribution. What kernel version is used in RH8.0? RH7.3 uses a patched 2.4.18. --jc -- Jimen Ching (WH6BRR) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
