[LUAU] more participation
LUAU as a traditional LUG predates me. From what I can gather, HOSEF and old LUAU issues stemmed from personality issues and lots of empty promises. If we forget about what we "should" do and focus on what we "will" do, then we can move past all the past nonsense. Julian is looking for presenters and topics for the monthly Open Source Pizza events. Matt is looking for a venue for an Asterisk meetup. Lots of folks brought up McKinley, which I think it is a great fit. -Vince
Re: [LUAU] more participation
given enough time to plan and if I'm not on travel...I'd be happy to host sessions at ANCL, especially if you folks want a network lab environment. Right now it's in a shambles after moving and it will take a while to get organizedbut I could easily see hosting stuff in the future. /brian chee University of Hawai'i at Manoa School of Ocean & Earth Science & Technology Advanced Network Computing Lab 2525 Correa Road, HIG 500 Honolulu, HI 96822 808-956-5797 voice, 877-284-1934 fax - Original Message - From: "Vince Hoang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 10:34 AM Subject: [LUAU] more participation > LUAU as a traditional LUG predates me. From what I can gather, > HOSEF and old LUAU issues stemmed from personality issues and > lots of empty promises. If we forget about what we "should" do > and focus on what we "will" do, then we can move past all the > past nonsense. > > Julian is looking for presenters and topics for the monthly Open > Source Pizza events. > > Matt is looking for a venue for an Asterisk meetup. Lots of folks > brought up McKinley, which I think it is a great fit. > > -Vince > ___ > LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list > http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
[LUAU] LUAU history and more participation
Thanks to those who answered and debated my initial question. I agree what Vince has said. Over time the definition of "Linux", "Open Source", etc.. and what it encompasses has changed. Put it this way. Here's a quote from April 2001 from probably an 'old-timer': "LUAU was started as a mailing list group to help people with LINUX, not open source or other OS's as it has started to become. Leave LUAU the way it is, people are still finding it useful." - http://lists.hosef.org/pipermail/luau/2001-April/002780.html He continues: "What is funny is that I can remember the day that LUAU started to change, and it was when we started having "Officials" when LUAU was just a bunch of guys that would get together and work on Linux, or discuss it, it was a lot better." - http://lists.hosef.org/pipermail/luau/2001-April/002785.html Sound familiar, like your Grandpa who tells you about the good old days where an ice cream cone used to cost a nickel and a dime bag cost a dime? I have attempted to write up a LUAU history: http://www.hosef.org/wiki/LUAU_history Please add any comments/corrections to myself, this list or to the page's Discussion section. Or better yet, edit the Wiki! :P This should be backed up by evidence as I personally wanted to keep it free from hearsay as best I could. I'd like to also add a picture of the MPLUG days but couldn't find one. And yes. We are looking for presenters for future Open Source Pizza events. I have put up a general page for the project as well as a Call For Papers page. http://www.hosef.org/wiki/Open_Source_Pizza_project http://www.hosef.org/wiki/Open_Source_Pizza_-_Call_For_Papers Please contact myself or the HOSEF managers list if you are interested in doing a presentation. Mahalo, Julian On Tue, 2006-02-28 at 10:34 -1000, Vince Hoang wrote: > LUAU as a traditional LUG predates me. From what I can gather, > HOSEF and old LUAU issues stemmed from personality issues and > lots of empty promises. If we forget about what we "should" do > and focus on what we "will" do, then we can move past all the > past nonsense. > > Julian is looking for presenters and topics for the monthly Open > Source Pizza events. > > Matt is looking for a venue for an Asterisk meetup. Lots of folks > brought up McKinley, which I think it is a great fit. > > -Vince > ___ > LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list > http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau >
Re: [LUAU] LUAU history and more participation
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:18:53 -1000 Julian Yap <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > > I have attempted to write up a LUAU history: > http://www.hosef.org/wiki/LUAU_history > > Please add any comments/corrections to myself, this list or to the > page's Discussion section. Or better yet, edit the Wiki! :P This > should be backed up by evidence as I personally wanted to keep it free > from hearsay as best I could. I'd like to also add a picture of the > MPLUG days but couldn't find one. > [snip] >From the referenced LUAU_history: "While not going on the record, it has been reported by a source that at some point money had some adverse effect on the group, and the list and LUG died." In the spirit of wanting "to keep it free from hearsay as best I could" what is the source and context of this entry in the history? As you might suspect, I believe the entry is hearsay, based on ignorance, and should be removed. -- Gary
Re: [LUAU] LUAU history and more participation
On Tue, 2006-02-28 at 22:39 -0500, Gary Sublett wrote: > On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:18:53 -1000 > Julian Yap <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [snip] > > > > I have attempted to write up a LUAU history: > > http://www.hosef.org/wiki/LUAU_history > > > > Please add any comments/corrections to myself, this list or to the > > page's Discussion section. Or better yet, edit the Wiki! :P This > > should be backed up by evidence as I personally wanted to keep it free > > from hearsay as best I could. I'd like to also add a picture of the > > MPLUG days but couldn't find one. > > > [snip] > > >From the referenced LUAU_history: > > "While not going on the record, it has been reported by a source that at > some point money had some adverse effect on the group, and the list and > LUG died." > > In the spirit of wanting "to keep it free from hearsay as best I could" > what is the source and context of this entry in the history? As you > might suspect, I believe the entry is hearsay, based on ignorance, and > should be removed. Thank you for reading, Gary. I will look for and surely find evidence to back this up. As it was, I didn't want to delve too deeply into the negative and tumultuous times of LUAU so I left it as this simple one sentence paragraph. It will be revised. - Julian > -- > Gary > ___ > LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list > http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau >
[LUAU] Free Niagara Server (60-day trial)
A friend of mind sent me this news about a free Niagara server (in Japanese) and asked if anyone has (or knows anyone who has) any experience: http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/jonathanja?entry=free_server_v2_0_honest Wayne
Re: [LUAU] Free Niagara Server (60-day trial)
Original in English: http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/jonathan? entry=niagara_benchmarks Amazing to see his blog is being translated into other languages, like Japanese. I wonder what other languages his blog is translated into. Quite bold are his statements. "...we'll send you the fastest server on earth, absolutely free. If you don't like it, we'll send someone to pick it up [for free]." The comments are more interesting (to me) then the offer. I'm surprised they let those stand. Michael On Feb 28, 2006, at 10:19 PM, Hawaii Linux Institute wrote: A friend of mind sent me this news about a free Niagara server (in Japanese) and asked if anyone has (or knows anyone who has) any experience: http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/jonathanja? entry=free_server_v2_0_honest Wayne ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] Free Niagara Server (60-day trial)
On Tue, 2006-02-28 at 22:19 -1000, Hawaii Linux Institute wrote: > A friend of mind sent me this news about a free Niagara server (in > Japanese) and asked if anyone has (or knows anyone who has) any experience: > > http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/jonathanja?entry=free_server_v2_0_honest Wayne, I'm not sure if you know this already but Jonathan Schwartz is the current CEO (or CTO/CIO/COO whatever) of Sun Microsystems. The link you sent looks like they hire translators and is on a post time delay. His official English blog is: http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan English entry of post: http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/jonathan?entry=niagara_benchmarks I've been following his blog for a while. Mostly because it comes from the viewpoint of a Sun executive. And on occasion he has something to interesting to say. But yes. The offer sounds legitimate. But no, I don't know anyone who has had any experience. There are however online testimonials and they encourage that because "if you write a blog that fairly assesses the machine's performance (positively or negatively), send us a pointer, we're likely to let you keep the machine." You mentioned you were going to be at the Open Source Pizza last Tuesday but you weren't there so I didn't talk to you about what you had in mind for your OpenSuSE/OpenSolaris/OpenOffice study group. Maybe you can elaborate more on list in regards to OpenSolaris on list to see if others are interested? Having administered previously Solaris/AIX/HPUX/Digital/QNX Unixes (& Linux), I'm not really sure I understand going forward what the advantages are for OpenSolaris vs. Linux. If they are purely technical/engineering reasons, I believe the developer momentum behind Linux outweighs that. - Julian
