Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Meeting
Absolutely add me to the mailing list. Aside from the QA tracker for iso-testing that's the only way I'll get news. You'll notice I'm someone that speaks up very seldom unless I think I have something to truly add to the conversation. Lance --- On Tue, 1/3/12, Phill Whiteside wrote: From: Phill Whiteside Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Meeting To: "Lance" Cc: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2012, 9:30 AM Hi Lance, great to read your email. Feel to chip in any time, your previous knowledge and experience will be appreciated. It is hoped the lubuntu-qa mailing list will be low volume, if you would like to be added, just ask. Regards, Phill. On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Lance wrote: Regarding, "As the representative from lubuntu to the qa team please go easy on me", rest assured I will be ;^) I also need to be cut a little slack. While I've been a member of Ubuntu QA for quite some time I pretty much limit my tasks to iso-testing. I think Julien would affirm that I (Erick Brunzell) have helped diagnose a few bugs with both the live and alternate images. Sadly I also have an occasional brain fart :^/ That said I would like to play a part in the Lubuntu QA team but, and this is a huge but, I've never been able to conquer IRC - in spite of this: http://lubuntu.net/tags/irc Although that did get me closer than I'd ever been :^) The problem for me is that I'm both sand blind and sand deaf due to a bout of meningo-encephalitis (unknown etiology) around the end of 2001. That makes communication really tough. Basically things (both visual and audible) get garbled very easily so I can't respond quickly at all. I must take time to decipher things, sometimes it takes longer than others, and certain circumstances even result in seizures which are NOT fun. But I'd very much like to be a part of the Lubuntu QA team. I think I could be useful, particularly given my experience with troubleshooting ubiquity and d-i problems. So count me as "on board" but with limited abilities :^) As always, thanks to everyone for all they do, Lance --- On Mon, 1/2/12, Phill Whiteside wrote: From: Phill Whiteside Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Meeting To: "lubuntu-desktop" Date: Monday, January 2, 2012, 11:40 PM Hi, a couple of hours before the 1st lubuntu meeting, I have a QA [1] meeting. This was sent to the couple of guys who are signed up for lubuntu QA, but as I always get asked so many questions about QA / Testing I invite others to attend. We only have a one hour slot, followed a couple of hours later with our lubuntu meeting. As the representative from lubuntu to the qa team please go easy on me & ensure any topics you wish to discuss on the QA meeting are on the aganda. I hope that just sitting in on a QA meeting will be educational to those who are interested in joining our lubuntu-qa area. My apologies for being the chair, it was not planned - I hate being the chair of meetings. Oh, and just So I do not look like a complete fool, could someone sort out [2] this link so it actually points to the meeting area. I have been via Edubuntu, kubuntu to try and get it... Regards, Phill.[1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings [2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings -- Forwarded message -- From: Phill Whiteside Date: Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 4:21 AM Subject: Meeting To: Phill Whiteside You are invited to the 1st QA meeting of the New Year. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings Yeah, even better reason to attend, as our usual chair for all of the teams will not be there, I have been asked to chair it. when it gets to the #lubuntu section, please do simply say that we have followed up on last request and created a team? Thanks, Phill. -- This message was sent from Launchpad by Phill Whiteside (https://launchpad.net/~phillw) to each member of the Lubuntu-QA team using the "Contact this team" link on the Lubuntu-QA team page (https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa). For more information see https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/ContactingPeople -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Meeting
Regarding, "As the representative from lubuntu to the qa team please go easy on me", rest assured I will be ;^) I also need to be cut a little slack. While I've been a member of Ubuntu QA for quite some time I pretty much limit my tasks to iso-testing. I think Julien would affirm that I (Erick Brunzell) have helped diagnose a few bugs with both the live and alternate images. Sadly I also have an occasional brain fart :^/ That said I would like to play a part in the Lubuntu QA team but, and this is a huge but, I've never been able to conquer IRC - in spite of this: http://lubuntu.net/tags/irc Although that did get me closer than I'd ever been :^) The problem for me is that I'm both sand blind and sand deaf due to a bout of meningo-encephalitis (unknown etiology) around the end of 2001. That makes communication really tough. Basically things (both visual and audible) get garbled very easily so I can't respond quickly at all. I must take time to decipher things, sometimes it takes longer than others, and certain circumstances even result in seizures which are NOT fun. But I'd very much like to be a part of the Lubuntu QA team. I think I could be useful, particularly given my experience with troubleshooting ubiquity and d-i problems. So count me as "on board" but with limited abilities :^) As always, thanks to everyone for all they do, Lance --- On Mon, 1/2/12, Phill Whiteside wrote: From: Phill Whiteside Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Meeting To: "lubuntu-desktop" Date: Monday, January 2, 2012, 11:40 PM Hi, a couple of hours before the 1st lubuntu meeting, I have a QA [1] meeting. This was sent to the couple of guys who are signed up for lubuntu QA, but as I always get asked so many questions about QA / Testing I invite others to attend. We only have a one hour slot, followed a couple of hours later with our lubuntu meeting. As the representative from lubuntu to the qa team please go easy on me & ensure any topics you wish to discuss on the QA meeting are on the aganda. I hope that just sitting in on a QA meeting will be educational to those who are interested in joining our lubuntu-qa area. My apologies for being the chair, it was not planned - I hate being the chair of meetings. Oh, and just So I do not look like a complete fool, could someone sort out [2] this link so it actually points to the meeting area. I have been via Edubuntu, kubuntu to try and get it... Regards, Phill.[1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings [2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings -- Forwarded message -- From: Phill Whiteside Date: Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 4:21 AM Subject: Meeting To: Phill Whiteside You are invited to the 1st QA meeting of the New Year. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings Yeah, even better reason to attend, as our usual chair for all of the teams will not be there, I have been asked to chair it. when it gets to the #lubuntu section, please do simply say that we have followed up on last request and created a team? Thanks, Phill. -- This message was sent from Launchpad by Phill Whiteside (https://launchpad.net/~phillw) to each member of the Lubuntu-QA team using the "Contact this team" link on the Lubuntu-QA team page (https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa). For more information see https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/ContactingPeople -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu 12.04 Alpha 1 Testing
Oops, forgot to include the team ;^/ --- On Sat, 12/24/11, Lance wrote: From: Lance Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu 12.04 Alpha 1 Testing To: "amjjawad HOOHAA" Date: Saturday, December 24, 2011, 1:14 PM Everything Jonathan Marsden said is exactly right, is there still any confusion? Lance --- On Fri, 12/23/11, amjjawad HOOHAA wrote: From: amjjawad HOOHAA Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu 12.04 Alpha 1 Testing To: "Lance" Cc: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Date: Friday, December 23, 2011, 8:52 AM Hi Lance, Finally I can tell who is kansasnoob :) Thanks for your reply. Yes, I saw it before (but honestly did not read it all) and I just read it now. One thing I'm in doubt about it:I have Lubuntu 12.04 installed and it's up and running. I have done all the updates and upgrades (http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11559293&postcount=23) and now, I want to use "zsync" that I already installed. From my understanding to all this, I just need to do this: zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/20111222/precise-desktop-i386.iso.zsync >From Terminal and that is all, right? Now, as per your post that you mentioned (http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11334389&postcount=4) and as per this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ZsyncCdImage ... "zsync" will NOT update the installed system but will update the previously downloaded iso so that you'll get the LATEST Daily Image and then you just need to burn a CD and Install all over again, right? I just need to double check and make sure we are in the same page :) Now, another doubt: What's the point from all the above if I do: sudo apt-get upgradeand sudo apt-get dist-upgrade Isn't that enough? Sorry of my questions are so silly but I'm very new in testing. Last time I tested Lubutnu 11.10 Beta 2 and that was for 10 days or more so didn't learn much stuff at that time. I'm very much willing to learn and understand more at the moment. Thank you in advance and I wish whatever I do will help Lubuntu and Lubuntu Users. Yes, I know I did nothing yet but I'm doing my best. Regards,amjjawad/A.J On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Lance wrote: Did you see my post late into Oneiric final testing: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11334389&postcount=4 If any of that is the least bit confusing please PM me. You seldom, actually almost never, need to DL an entire new iso - but you will have to burn a new disc! I appreciate your contribution to Lubuntu and I'll be glad to help you in any way I can. --- On Tue, 12/13/11, amjjawad HOOHAA wrote: From: amjjawad HOOHAA Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu 12.04 Alpha 1 Testing To: "Yorvyk" Cc: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2011, 4:04 PM Sorry if my previous Email caused any confusion. I have downloaded The Daily Build (08-12) - more details here:http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11535501&postcount=18 I was just wondering whether I have to keep downloading and installing from time to time? or just upgrade using zsync? Hope it's clear now :) On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:50 AM, Yorvyk wrote: On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 01:29:34 +0400 amjjawad HOOHAA wrote: > Hi Julien, Phill and Everyone :) > > Last time I did a test for Lubuntu 11.10 Beta 2, Phill advised to download > the daily build iso and install it rather than using "zsync". Does it stand > true on Alpha 1 as well? do I have to download the daily build? If yes, how > often do I have to do that? obviously, it doesn't make sense to do that > daily. My internet isn't that fast and during downloading, I can't do much > except waiting - any other website will be slow. > Not sure I really understand what you're saying here but, if you already have an ISO of Precise I would use zsync to update to Alpha1 or to a daily whichever you require as you realise it saves bandwidth and time. -- Yorvyk ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Best Regards, amjjawad Lubuntu One Stop Thread (Mega Thread) My Wiki Page | My Launchpad | My Ubuntu Forum Profile My Actions Speak Louder Than My Words || I walk by faith, not by sight || Imagination is more important than Knowledge || Keep It Simple and Short -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Best Regards, amjjawad Lubuntu One Stop T
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Wubi on 12.04
I subscribed to that bug and added an offer to provide testing. While Wubi is not as stable as an actual installation it can be quite useful, particularly since many Win 7 OEM's now use 4 primary partitions. IMHO it's definitely worth pursuing. Lance --- On Wed, 12/21/11, Phill Whiteside wrote: From: Phill Whiteside Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Wubi on 12.04 To: "Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset" Cc: "lubuntu-desktop" Date: Wednesday, December 21, 2011, 3:21 PM hi Jean-Pierre, I have had a dig around and raised a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/wubi/+bug/907524 If someone could pop on there and click on the "affects me" button, that will auto confirm it. Regards, Phill. On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset wrote: One thing I would like to see in Lubuntu, is the presence of Wubi. I've wanted to "show" some friend/familiars/co-workers how Lubuntu rocks but the only way i get is by livecd... and they want to try it a little :) Wubi is a GREAT option for a lot of people (myself included since i have only one hard drive and original windows is installed on it ;) Is this possible? -- jpxsat ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu 12.04 Alpha 1 Testing
Did you see my post late into Oneiric final testing: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11334389&postcount=4 If any of that is the least bit confusing please PM me. You seldom, actually almost never, need to DL an entire new iso - but you will have to burn a new disc! I appreciate your contribution to Lubuntu and I'll be glad to help you in any way I can. --- On Tue, 12/13/11, amjjawad HOOHAA wrote: From: amjjawad HOOHAA Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu 12.04 Alpha 1 Testing To: "Yorvyk" Cc: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2011, 4:04 PM Sorry if my previous Email caused any confusion. I have downloaded The Daily Build (08-12) - more details here:http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11535501&postcount=18 I was just wondering whether I have to keep downloading and installing from time to time? or just upgrade using zsync? Hope it's clear now :) On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:50 AM, Yorvyk wrote: On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 01:29:34 +0400 amjjawad HOOHAA wrote: > Hi Julien, Phill and Everyone :) > > Last time I did a test for Lubuntu 11.10 Beta 2, Phill advised to download > the daily build iso and install it rather than using "zsync". Does it stand > true on Alpha 1 as well? do I have to download the daily build? If yes, how > often do I have to do that? obviously, it doesn't make sense to do that > daily. My internet isn't that fast and during downloading, I can't do much > except waiting - any other website will be slow. > Not sure I really understand what you're saying here but, if you already have an ISO of Precise I would use zsync to update to Alpha1 or to a daily whichever you require as you realise it saves bandwidth and time. -- Yorvyk ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Best Regards, amjjawad Lubuntu One Stop Thread (Mega Thread) My Wiki Page | My Launchpad | My Ubuntu Forum Profile My Actions Speak Louder Than My Words || I walk by faith, not by sight || Imagination is more important than Knowledge || Keep It Simple and Short -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Sun/Oracle Java
I honestly don't see a huge problem. I find the documentation to be adequate. Of course in some instances the official Ubuntu documentation works for both Ubuntu and Lubuntu, other times not so much. I think it's also fair to say that we must still rely on LXDE's own documentation for many things, and let's not forget that we're very young as a legitimate child of Ubuntu/Canonical ;^) I suspect we'll garner more support from the Canonical devs as time goes along but some patience is needed. I know everyone is doing their best :^) I'd personally defer to Phill W on this, if he's available. He helped bring us to the point of acceptance into the Canonical family and his voice means a lot to me. As always, thanks to everyone for everything they do, Lance --- On Sun, 12/4/11, amjjawad HOOHAA wrote: From: amjjawad HOOHAA Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Sun/Oracle Java To: "lubuntu-desktop" Date: Sunday, December 4, 2011, 5:31 PM I do agree with all what have been said/written. With all the honesty in the world, I don't like the Wiki Pages. Why? 1- I've been told it MUST be the main source of our information while there are LOTS of missing information already, NOT to mention it is not organized nor up to date. 2- One can't find what he/she is looking for easily. 3- The whole structure is bad IMHO. 4- When I tried to contribute to the Wiki Area, I have heard NOTHING but bad negative and rude attitude so I decided NOT to touch it any more and take care of Ubuntu Forum as that is where I belong. 5- There is NO dedicated team to maintain our Wiki Perhaps these are the main reasons. Again, to be honest, I have another thoughts and different approaches and I'm having hard time to explain myself over and over again. Thus, I have decided weeks ago to remain silent and do my job quietly. I'm doing well on the forum and I'll keep it up, period. I have so much plans to help Lubuntu Users on the Froum. Writing guides and more. I couldn't remain silent anymore. I can't deny I do have my own style that is different big time than everyone's style in this team but since this is a Team Work more than anything else, I'm trying my best to learn more about this team, even more than learning about Lubuntu which I breath daily. I'm here as always and ready to help and take our Wiki to the next step but WE do need to talk and discuss, period. :) Excuse my approach, I just couldn't resist. On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 2:56 AM, ∅ wrote: On 12/04/2011 02:26 PM, Yorvyk wrote: > On Mon, 5 Dec 2011 07:43:15 +1000 > Jared Norris wrote: >> On 5 December 2011 06:17, amjjawad HOOHAA wrote: >>> So, again, please double check this: >>> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/10/things-to-tweak-after-installing-ubuntu.html >>> and if necessary, update this: >>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#Some_Java_applications_don.27t_work.2C_I_want_proprietary_Oracle_Java >> This is the very big problem I see with having a separate FAQ to the >> main information on the wiki. Unless it's specific to Lubuntu I really >> don't see why it should exist on our FAQ area at all. All this does is >> duplicate information AND reduce the number of people working on a >> topic. This is a perfect example because the proper Java page [0] was >> updated a while ago to reflect the changes. >> >> So my opinion is, unless it's specific to Lubuntu we should contribute >> and rely on the community documentation for *Ubuntu instead of trying >> to carve out our own little niche that will easily be out of date and >> hard to maintain with fewer resources. (To answer your question my >> suggestion would be to remove the java section altogether, if you HAVE >> to have something, link to the main page for Java). >> >> [0] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java > Couldn't agree more Jared. Repeating the same information over and over in > different places is not helpful. Users who aren't quite sure what their > problem is end up 'not seeing the wood for the trees.' This is the sort of > thing a decent index is helps with. to me, this begs the question of why we have a FAQ at all. there's no reason there shouldn't be an LXDE-specific section to the general "Ubuntu" wiki as it is relevant to LXDE. how many people have you come across that run LXDE in Ubuntu rather than doing Lubuntu? it's often a gateway to officially making the switch. my problem with the "main" wiki is that it is often so GNOME-centric, it's not always apparent whether or not something is truly applicable to Lubuntu. so if we updated it for Lubuntu, there would be ONE
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Tracking progress (was: Re: [Lubuntu 12.04] My Suggestions)
I just wanted to drop a brief comment about this statement: "Please don't make extra work for our scarce and overworked developers :)" I've honestly wondered about that for some time now. While I'm no dev by any stretch of the imagination I have been involved in Ubuntu iso-testing for well over 3 years, and recently the number of "suggestions" regarding Lubuntu here at the mailing list have been almost overwhelming. How much time has this taken away from fixing actual bugs or implementing meaningful change? While it's great to have someone new and energetic join the team it's also important for the new members to give the actual devs time to deal with the basic tasks of maintaining the project ;^) I hope that doesn't sound too harsh. As always thanks to everyone for everything they do, Lance --- On Sat, 11/12/11, Jonathan Marsden wrote: From: Jonathan Marsden Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Tracking progress (was: Re: [Lubuntu 12.04] My Suggestions) To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Date: Saturday, November 12, 2011, 5:38 PM On 11/12/2011 12:38 PM, amjjawad HOOHAA wrote: > *My suggestions*: > http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11447159&postcount=94 > > *Original thread*: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1870442 > > In case I want to add more, shall I update my post or send them through > this email? This mailing list is more likely to be seen and responded to by Lubuntu developers than forum threads, IMO. > If there is any kind of updates about 12.04, please let me know. Thanks! Please don't make extra work for our scarce and overworked developers :) Instead, if you are interested in tracking progress towards Lubuntu 12.04, please login to the wiki and read the wiki page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/P-Plan then click the "Subscribe" button so you are emailed about all changes to that page. Then, subscribe to each of the Lubuntu 12.04 blueprints on Launchpad, so you will automatically get emails as they are updated. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-lubuntu-p-users-experience is one such blueprint, I can't seem to find the others right now, I think that there should (theoretically) be one each for the "clean house" and "organization" parts of the plan too. Maybe Julien can provide pointers to those for us. Thanks, Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu - One Stop Thread
Looks great, I like it :^) I've had very little desk time lately but I think that's a great idea. Possibly around December or January I can help contribute to that. Thanks for your dedication, Lance --- On Fri, 10/21/11, Ali Linx wrote: From: Ali Linx Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu - One Stop Thread To: "lubuntu-desktop" Date: Friday, October 21, 2011, 12:58 PM Dear All, I think this will be the first Mega Lubuntu Thread on Ubuntu Forum. Since my most activities on the Forum and because I'm trying to put together everything related to Lubuntu in one place, I have decided to create this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1844755 Before, it was just a thread with two guides but now, it has another purpose and aim. Thank you! P.S. Needless to say that your contributions will be highly appreciated ;) -- Best Regards, A.J amjjawad My Blog | My Wiki Page | My Launchpad | My Ubuntu Forum Profile ~ My Actions Speak Louder Than My Words || I walk by faith, not by sight || Imagination is more important than Knowledge || Keep It Simple and Short ~ -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] System won't boot in 11.10
I've never tried "sudo start lxdm", but rather "sudo service lxdm start". I've actually meant to ask about the difference (if any) but I just never got around to it :^/ I just thought trying the nomodeset option would at least rule out one thing, since it helped advance things a bit I now wonder what issues the X11 updates I've seen since release might actually apply to. I'm toying with that borked power-manager icon thing ATM, but I'll try to parse those X11 updates to see if they might address any bugs similar to this with Radeon graphics. BTW, I'm very impressed with Lubuntu final, great work by all :^) As always, thanks to everyone for all they do, Lance --- On Fri, 10/14/11, Julien Lavergne wrote: From: Julien Lavergne Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] System won't boot in 11.10 To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Date: Friday, October 14, 2011, 10:40 AM Le 10/14/2011 03:55 PM, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset a écrit : > Lance: thank you! after setting the boot with "nomodeset" at last i > see my "Lubuntu splashcreen" (even if it's the plymouth text-mode). > No errors were found when checking the disk for deffects... > > Now i see "ubuntu@ubuntu:-$" and type "sudo lxdm" to start the session > and it doesn't work... in the other machines i tried this it does... > > Oh, i forgot to say i'm using the 64bit version. Hum, it seems that the graphical card have a problem with modesetting (good catch Lance :)). But at least you should be able to start with "sudo start lxdm". Any errors when running this command ? Or could you try startx to see if the session start ? Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] System won't boot in 11.10
My initial thoughts: #1: When booting the live CD, just after selecting language, select "Check disc for defects". It takes several minutes to complete. If that shows no defects found move to step #2: #2: When rebooting the live CD select language and with "Try Lubuntu w/o installing" highlighted press F6 which will display several optional boot parameters. From there select "nomodeset" using the arrow keys, press enter to apply (you'll know it's applied by an "x" next to it), then press Esc. Now the "nomodeset" boot option will be applied when you boot. That's sometimes helpful troubleshooting graphics card compatibility issues with the Xserver. Let us know what happens, Lance --- On Fri, 10/14/11, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset wrote: From: Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] System won't boot in 11.10 To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Date: Friday, October 14, 2011, 6:58 AM The screen turns off after showing the menu "try lubuntu, install lubuntu, ..." What GPU do you use? Did you MD5 test the ISO you burned and did you burn as slowly as possible? The MD5 test is correct on both Lubuntu & Ubuntu discs, both burned as slowly as possible. The hardware is a quad core with dual graphics (i know is far from lubuntu target, but i love lubuntu... what can i do!) an A8 AMD with an AMD Radeon HD 6620G. In 11.04 it works... :'( -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] A few notes about zsync
I quickly typed up some instructions for using zsync to manage testing images here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11334389&postcount=4 I hope that may be helpful to some, and that I didn't make a bunch of mistakes. Much testing to do so time for me to get busy, as always thanks to everyone for all they do, Lance ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Oneiric Beta 2 released
I just want to personally thank you for fixing the software sources glitch in the alternate CD so fast. Awesome fast and reliable bug fix ;^) In my small corner of the *buntu world the alternate/debian installer is a must have because of limitations in ubiquity. I look forward to working with you in the future and, as always, thanks to everyone that's made Lubuntu such a great distro, Lance PS: apologies for the times I've just been a pain in the neck ;^) --- On Fri, 9/23/11, Julien Lavergne wrote: From: Julien Lavergne Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Oneiric Beta 2 released To: "lubuntu-desktop" Date: Friday, September 23, 2011, 8:55 AM Hi, Following the announce for Ubuntu, Lubuntu Beta 2 is also available for testing. You can find it on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/oneiric/beta-2/ A quick summary of important changes since Beta 1 : * Bug fixes. Know issues : * Include apt-xapian-index : http://pad.lv/798437 * Installer require 4.6 Gb of free space : http://pad.lv/819538 * Ubiquity broken icon switcher : http://pad.lv/830898 * Update icons on desktop for persitent mode broken : http://pad.lv/837470 * Firefox locales installed : http://pad.lv/820056 * Fallback icons on notification area broken : http://pad.lv/819542 and http://pad.lv/820080 * Not able to install virtualbox drivers after installation from desktop ISO : http://pad.lv/854995 * Entries with "Lubuntu" are not translated on the boot menu on any Lubuntu ISO : http://pad.lv/855977 Happy testing Regards, Julien Lavergne -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] Please check my bug filing
I'm particularly concerned about this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libappindicator/+bug/820080 The network manager icon is fixed, but the power manager icon is broken again after being fixed once before. I just want to be certain that I'm commenting at the correct bug report. * I'd bet Colin Watson will get on top of this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/854244 But any and all feedback is appreciated ;^) This one is quite new and needs much follow-up: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/854837 I will follow up on that as I continue to test :^) * All in all I think things look pretty great and I must return to testing, still some old Ubuntu bugs to follow up on too, just please don't feel I'm pressuring anyone. As always I'm thankful for all everyone does to make Lubuntu such a great distro, Lance ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Re: Lubuntu beta 2 iso-test images not showing up
Got this update from jibel :^) I'll test accordingly. Lance --- On Mon, 9/19/11, Jean-Baptiste Lallement wrote: From: Jean-Baptiste Lallement Subject: Re: Lubuntu beta 2 iso-test images not showing up To: "Lance" Date: Monday, September 19, 2011, 2:28 PM Hey, On 09/19/2011 06:53 PM, Lance wrote: > Sorry to be the constant nuisance that I know I am ;^( No worries :) > > When I click on the Lubuntu test image links I just get: > > "No image found for this build" > > I'm beginning from the new build notification in my mailbox. > > During Beta 1 testing I just used the corresponding daily images and > made sure to mention exactly what image I was using, but can we fix this? I fixed the path for alternate images which was wrong. There has been a problem building the desktop images. I requested a new build. New images should be available in the next couple of hours. > > As always I appreciate all you do. I know you're facing many difficult > tasks. > > Many thanks in advance, Many thanks for all the testing you're doing. That's much appreciated. > > Lance > -- Jean-Baptiste irc: jibel ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Lubuntu beta 2 iso-test images not showing up
Thought I should share what I'm doing ;^) --- On Mon, 9/19/11, Lance wrote: From: Lance Subject: Lubuntu beta 2 iso-test images not showing up To: "Jean-Baptiste Lallement" Date: Monday, September 19, 2011, 11:53 AM Sorry to be the constant nuisance that I know I am ;^( When I click on the Lubuntu test image links I just get: "No image found for this build" I'm beginning from the new build notification in my mailbox. During Beta 1 testing I just used the corresponding daily images and made sure to mention exactly what image I was using, but can we fix this? As always I appreciate all you do. I know you're facing many difficult tasks. Many thanks in advance, Lance ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] Current status of alternate installer
I went ahead and tested both the 20110910 and 20110911 i386 alternate install images to see if I could reproduce that broken software sources UI that I'd mentioned previously, but I couldn't get that far. I encountered "the installer cannot find a suitable kernel package to install" and being unsure how to install the kernel post-install I just aborted the installation. I did report a new bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/847772 I hope I did OK there, and that I'm not coming across as pushy :^) Just looking at the calendar and realizing that we have 10 days until Beta 2, and probably one week before the next round of iso-testing, I thought it wise to do a little follow up now. As always thanks for all you do to make Lubuntu the great distro it is, Lance ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Re: Testing, and md5sums that vary???
It appears that I forgot the team twice in a row. Sorry :^( Lance --- On Sat, 9/10/11, Lance wrote: From: Lance Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Testing, and md5sums that vary??? To: "Phill Whiteside" Date: Saturday, September 10, 2011, 5:49 PM IMHO that looks fine. The download link displays the official Ubuntu DL links, and the md5sum link displays the actual Ubuntu official info. I think now that we're officially part of Ubuntu it's always best to use their info. I'm not sure how to handle older links, like Alpha 3. That's a dead link, the same is true for Ubuntu itself. Outside of hardcore testers who wants an old image anyway ;^) Of course this will all change with 12.04 and beyond because we'll always want to provide DL info for all supported versions of Lubuntu. Once official support ends then it should, and must, get harder to find those images. As always, thanks for all you do, Lance --- On Fri, 9/9/11, Phill Whiteside wrote: From: Phill Whiteside Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Testing, and md5sums that vary??? To: "Lance" Cc: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Date: Friday, September 9, 2011, 9:38 PM Hi Lance, Sorry for the delay. Is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing#Lubuntu_Oneiric_11.10 better in terms of the table layout and links for Beta 1? Thanks for your input on this. Regards, Phill. On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Lance wrote: Could the "See server" part of the Beta 1 line be highlighted red and link to this page: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/oneiric/beta-1/MD5SUMS Just an idea, but I have no idea how to do it ;^) Also "Torrent link" may be misleading because that link includes all DL options (http, jigdo, zsync, torrent). And that should be the only DL link needed for the Beta 1, having the QA testing link there could be confusing because about 4 days before Beta 2 those images will change, and we mention (and link to) the iso-tracker in the next paragraph. In fact when the LTS releases have "point-upgades", eg: 10.04.4, they also pop up on the iso-tracker, sometimes several days prior to the actual release. As always thanks for all you do. That extends to every member of the team. Lance --- On Sat, 9/3/11, Phill Whiteside wrote: From: Phill Whiteside Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Testing, and md5sums that vary??? To: "Jonathan Marsden" Cc: "lubuntu-desktop" Date: Saturday, September 3, 2011, 5:33 AM Hi Jonathan, as there are various incarnations of lubuntu (i386, amd64, alt.) each comes with its own unique md5. That is what I allude to when I state that the md5 varies. Maybe a note explaining that there are different build flavours each with their own md5 needs doing? I put it simply as for a person to check at the down load area for the md5 for which image they downloaded? Regards, Phill. On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 7:28 AM, Jonathan Marsden wrote: On https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing we have a chart that now says our md5sums for some ISOs vary. Um. The whole point is that they don't :) For a given ISO image, the md5sum *must* be the same, or you don't have the same image! I think maybe someone got lazy and didn't want to add entries for 4 ISOs (LiveCD i386, LiveCD amd64, AlternateCD i386 abd AlternateCD amd64)? Is that what "varies" means -- there are four images, each with their own (non-varying!) md5sum? Basically, I don't think saying our md5sums vary is helpful... can we fix this please? Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Re: Release meeting status
Forgot the team, sorry.
I am gaining . very slowly.
Just to clarify: I was not complaining, just trying to point out a problem that
I've not had time to follow up on properly.
I should have my testing box running again soon. I have most of the data
copied, I now just need to set up some symlinks.
I hate to mention the kitchen. Hint: don't try to mix lacquer and enamel
products when refinishing metal cabinets ;^(
Using the wrong filler cost me a whole day.
--- On Sat, 9/10/11, Lance wrote:
From: Lance
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Release meeting status
To: "Phill Whiteside"
Date: Saturday, September 10, 2011, 6:00 PM
That would be very helpful. I already checked to be sure the Ubuntu alternate
image worked OK.
I need to know if the most recent Lubuntu alternate daily image still produces
a borked software sources UI.
If so, immediately after installing you should be able to just run "ubuntu-bug
debian-installer". Then just explain what's wrong.
I am gaining on this end and I'll be able to follow up prior to Beta 2 :^)
--- On Fri, 9/9/11, Phill Whiteside wrote:
From: Phill Whiteside
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Release meeting status
To: "Lance"
Cc: "Julien Lavergne" , lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Date:
Friday, September 9, 2011, 4:55 PM
hi Lance,
I'll have a play with it over the w/end and see if I can get similar behaviour
in VM. If not, I'll start slicing disks up :)
Regards,
Phill.
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Lance wrote:
I plan on doing that but I don't have time to test the current daily ATM.
That's why I mentioned comparing to Ubuntu alternate-daily but not having time
yet to test the newest Lubuntu alternate.
I'm just an independent iso-tester and ATM I'm rebuilding my kitchen while also
rebuilding my testing computer to hopefully be a more efficient iso-tester ;^)
I was hoping someone else could jump in and help figure that out and/or file a
new bug report. Honestly I'm not goofing off, but I was just aware of a
potential problem that I've not had time to follow up on properly :^)
I'm doing my best, reinstalling Win XP as I type so I can test Wubi stuff, even
though the Wubi folks might not bring Lubuntu into the fold during the Oneiric
cycle.
Lance
--- On Fri, 9/9/11, Julien Lavergne
wrote:
From: Julien Lavergne
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Release meeting status
To: "Lance"
Cc: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Friday, September 9, 2011, 1:30 PM
Pleas open another bug report (it's another problem) and attached
the content of /etc/apt/sources.list, I'll have a look at it.
Regards,
Julien Lavergne
Le 09/09/2011 19:50, Lance a écrit :
I think Lubuntu
looks pretty good, but one thing I do need to follow up on
is shown here:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/835961/comments/16
I'd very much appreciate anyone else jumping into testing
to see what they find. I'm just under serious time
constraints ATM but I will follow up ASAP.
As always thanks for all you, and everyone, do to make
Lubuntu the great OS it is,
Lance
--- On Fri, 9/9/11, Julien Lavergne
wrote:
From: Julien Lavergne
Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] Release meeting status
To: "lubuntu-desktop"
Date: Friday, September 9, 2011, 11:02 AM
Hi,
I do a summary of the Lubuntu developpement each week
for the release
meeting. If you are interested, I add them to this
page :
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric
If you have something to mention before the meeting
(each Friday),
please send me a mail before, so I can have a look at
it.
Regards,
Julien Lavergne
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Release meeting status
I plan on doing that but I don't have time to test the current daily ATM.
That's why I mentioned comparing to Ubuntu alternate-daily but not having time
yet to test the newest Lubuntu alternate.
I'm just an independent iso-tester and ATM I'm rebuilding my kitchen while also
rebuilding my testing computer to hopefully be a more efficient iso-tester ;^)
I was hoping someone else could jump in and help figure that out and/or file a
new bug report. Honestly I'm not goofing off, but I was just aware of a
potential problem that I've not had time to follow up on properly :^)
I'm doing my best, reinstalling Win XP as I type so I can test Wubi stuff, even
though the Wubi folks might not bring Lubuntu into the fold during the Oneiric
cycle.
Lance
--- On Fri, 9/9/11, Julien Lavergne wrote:
From: Julien Lavergne
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Release meeting status
To: "Lance"
Cc: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Friday, September 9, 2011, 1:30 PM
Pleas open another bug report (it's another problem) and attached
the content of /etc/apt/sources.list, I'll have a look at it.
Regards,
Julien Lavergne
Le 09/09/2011 19:50, Lance a écrit :
I think Lubuntu
looks pretty good, but one thing I do need to follow up on
is shown here:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/835961/comments/16
I'd very much appreciate anyone else jumping into testing
to see what they find. I'm just under serious time
constraints ATM but I will follow up ASAP.
As always thanks for all you, and everyone, do to make
Lubuntu the great OS it is,
Lance
--- On Fri, 9/9/11, Julien Lavergne
wrote:
From: Julien Lavergne
Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] Release meeting status
To: "lubuntu-desktop"
Date: Friday, September 9, 2011, 11:02 AM
Hi,
I do a summary of the Lubuntu developpement each week
for the release
meeting. If you are interested, I add them to this
page :
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric
If you have something to mention before the meeting
(each Friday),
please send me a mail before, so I can have a look at
it.
Regards,
Julien Lavergne
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Release meeting status
I think Lubuntu looks pretty good, but one thing I do need to follow up on is shown here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/835961/comments/16 I'd very much appreciate anyone else jumping into testing to see what they find. I'm just under serious time constraints ATM but I will follow up ASAP. As always thanks for all you, and everyone, do to make Lubuntu the great OS it is, Lance --- On Fri, 9/9/11, Julien Lavergne wrote: From: Julien Lavergne Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] Release meeting status To: "lubuntu-desktop" Date: Friday, September 9, 2011, 11:02 AM Hi, I do a summary of the Lubuntu developpement each week for the release meeting. If you are interested, I add them to this page : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric If you have something to mention before the meeting (each Friday), please send me a mail before, so I can have a look at it. Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] membership
I'd add that silence from any team member is not an indication that they agree or disagree / like or dislike anything offered by another team member.I generally remain silent unless I feel that my input may truly be helpful ;^)That said, my input may sometimes only cause confusion regardless of my intension. I hope I've at least been tolerable ;^)As always, thanks to everyone for everything they do for Lubuntu,Lance--- On Mon, 9/5/11, 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna) wrote:From: 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna) Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] membershipTo: "Jerry" Cc: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.netDate: Monday, September 5, 2011, 4:25 AMYes, I'm fully agree. Not only coders are important making operating systems. The LoCo team is fundamental, as well as testers, forum keepers, etc. There's a lot of people evolving a distro, and sometimes users claim for this or that to coders when solution often comes from other sources. -Inline Attachment Follows-___Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktopPost to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.netUnsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktopMore help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] OEM Mode doesn't work?
Please consider this largely thinking out loud on my part. I'm only an iso-tester with no ties to the actual development end of things, but I did a bit of studying that I hope may be helpful regarding this. I pulled up the Ubuntu and Lubuntu live-i386 Beta 1 iso-tracker pages: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/6450 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/6386 You'll see that OEM testing was listed under the Ubuntu image but not the Lubuntu image. (OT but the same was true of Wubi installs). So I suspect that Ubuntu development just isn't there yet with Lubuntu, but that's just a guess. Ultimately I think two things are required here: 1) File a bug from the fresh OEM install if possible by opening lxterminal and running 'ubuntu-bug ubiquity' which will allow apport to collect info, then give the bug a title and I'd think the same explanation you provided here would be sufficient as a description. 2) Maybe Phill or Julien could correspond with Colin Watson (or another installer team member) via IRC channel #ubuntu-installer regarding the status of OEM installs with Lubuntu live images. Note: sorry I haven't yet managed to tackle IRC-chat, I have tried but my visual impairment always gets the best of me :^/ I hope this might be at least slightly helpful, as always thanks to everyone for all they do, Lance --- On Sun, 9/4/11, Richard Foulkes wrote: From: Richard Foulkes Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] OEM Mode doesn't work? To: "Lubuntu" Date: Sunday, September 4, 2011, 3:35 PM Hi guys, I've just installed the beta1 i386 desktop iso in vmware - and i'm disappointed to see that the OEM installation mode still isn't working. I didn't enter a name for the 'batch of systems', selected 'download updates whilst installing', automatic partitioning options, timezone Europe/London, UK standard keyboard, and set the hostname and password for the temporary user. As with ubuntu desktop, the OEM user is created (uid/gid 2), but the oem-config-prepare script is missing. I don't know how oem mode works on a regular ubuntu in terms of which packages are installed. If i manually install the oem-config package (and its dependencies), then run oem-config-prepare then i DO get the 'out of box experience' - however it's in the console not X - plus i am prompted to install packages for ubuntu server! I have a feeling that this bug might hinder lubuntu's official adoption as an official derivative which would be a shame. I like the ubiquity slideshow though - looks very nice! -- This message was sent from Launchpad by Richard Foulkes (https://launchpad.net/~rbsfou) using the "Contact this team" link on the Lubuntu team page (https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop). For more information see https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/ContactingPeople ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 775124] Re: Ubiquity should have a command line option to override the free space check
Regarding the live-installer/ubiquity requiring 2X "disc space" I'm not sure what you mean, but I notice the actual installed size of / after a live install is somewhere between 2.1GB and 2.2GB, but the installed size after using the alternate (d-i) installer is about 1.9GB. I've dug around a bit and I can't really see anything that's lacking in the alternate installation, but that seems odd to me. I plan on testing an Ubuntu live install vs an Ubuntu alternate install soon to see if the same applies. Regarding swap Colin Watson responded to me recently here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-auto/+bug/782507/comments/7 So work is ongoing :^) Aside from that using the alternate CD should not be scary to anyone, although I do realize that the cost of an additional CD can be prohibitive to some users, and anything new is always intimating. While this is written for a dual-boot it's pretty well descriptive: http://members.iinet.net.au/~herman546/p2.html But, yeah, it's confusing I guess. Sometime in the near future I'll try to come up with something using the forums so I can post some screenshots. Don't hold your breath though. I must get my kitchen put back together :^) --- On Sat, 9/3/11, Phill Whiteside wrote: From: Phill Whiteside Subject: Re: [Bug 775124] Re: Ubiquity should have a command line option to override the free space check To: lbsol...@yahoo.com, "Jonathan Marsden" , "Julien Lavergne" Cc: "lubuntu-desktop" Date: Saturday, September 3, 2011, 6:27 AM Hi, I'll do this not via bug report as it is a 'work around' rather than a fix. In the past we have had the instructions for minimal iso at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu specfically https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall My suggestion is that we re-write the notes to use the alt install so that they are n00b friendly and cover the tricky part of manually partitioning? The pro's for this is that the alt image works, the con's are that it still leaves Ubiquity wanting silly usage of disk & RAM space when it should be fixed, IMHO, in a couple of lines of code as to where JM alluded. I'd much prefer the 'hack' that caused the regression to be accepted as a regression and a more elegant solution be found to the problem. Simply 'telling' Ubiquity to want 2 X Disk space and 2 X RAM, for me is simply insane. It has been proven that the 2 X disk space is not required https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/11.04MinimalDiskSpace but, with my pragmatic head on and us using the 'official' build system whilst we argue these points out there are people who cannot install. If we do go for the hand-holding alt instructions, I'd like to also make /home a partition as well. IMHO this would allow the / system to be as small as possible, allow us to factor in depending on RAM the /swap area and then have all the user data on its own partition. For such small disks we are not going to be installing side by side with another system. Well, those are my thoughts. I look forward to the replies, The battle may have been lost for 11.10, but the war for 12.04 is yet to start. If 12.04 can address the ubiquity issues that affect Lubuntu (and any other low-footprint) then we get a win-win. Regards, Phill. 2011/9/3 Erick Brunzell The Lubuntu Oneiric Beta 1 live-i386 image now says only 3.9GB is required. I think the Ubuntu image says 4.4GB but I need to recheck that. So I started the "automated" install (install alongside) where my blank 4GB flash drive was the only unpartitioned space available, and I have 2GB of RAM, so the installation stalls with the attached warning because it wants to create about 2GB of swap which leaves an insufficient amount of disc space for /. IMHO that's actually OK though, because you're told that clicking on continue will result in failure, and if you click on back you end up in the manual partitioning screen. Lubuntu now also has an alternate install image so I'd think we're OK here. I have no 64bit hardware so I can't test the amd64 images. ** Attachment added: "lack_of_space.png" https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/775124/+attachment/2347816/+files/lack_of_space.png -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Lubuntu Packages Team, which is subscribed to a duplicate bug report (819538). https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/775124 Title: Ubiquity should have a command line option to override the free space check Status in “ubiquity” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Status in “ubiquity” source package in Oneiric: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: ubiquity I downloaded the 11.04 desktop i386 iso, put it on a usb drive so i could it install it on my netbook, but couldnt even get past the install screen, because it says i need 4.4GB to install ubuntu 11.04. The problem is that my hard drive i
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Testing, and md5sums that vary???
Could the "See server" part of the Beta 1 line be highlighted red and link to this page: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/oneiric/beta-1/MD5SUMS Just an idea, but I have no idea how to do it ;^) Also "Torrent link" may be misleading because that link includes all DL options (http, jigdo, zsync, torrent). And that should be the only DL link needed for the Beta 1, having the QA testing link there could be confusing because about 4 days before Beta 2 those images will change, and we mention (and link to) the iso-tracker in the next paragraph. In fact when the LTS releases have "point-upgades", eg: 10.04.4, they also pop up on the iso-tracker, sometimes several days prior to the actual release. As always thanks for all you do. That extends to every member of the team. Lance --- On Sat, 9/3/11, Phill Whiteside wrote: From: Phill Whiteside Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Testing, and md5sums that vary??? To: "Jonathan Marsden" Cc: "lubuntu-desktop" Date: Saturday, September 3, 2011, 5:33 AM Hi Jonathan, as there are various incarnations of lubuntu (i386, amd64, alt.) each comes with its own unique md5. That is what I allude to when I state that the md5 varies. Maybe a note explaining that there are different build flavours each with their own md5 needs doing? I put it simply as for a person to check at the down load area for the md5 for which image they downloaded? Regards, Phill. On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 7:28 AM, Jonathan Marsden wrote: On https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing we have a chart that now says our md5sums for some ISOs vary. Um. The whole point is that they don't :) For a given ISO image, the md5sum *must* be the same, or you don't have the same image! I think maybe someone got lazy and didn't want to add entries for 4 ISOs (LiveCD i386, LiveCD amd64, AlternateCD i386 abd AlternateCD amd64)? Is that what "varies" means -- there are four images, each with their own (non-varying!) md5sum? Basically, I don't think saying our md5sums vary is helpful... can we fix this please? Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Re: Network and Power icons - what package to file bugs against?
Oops, left the team out. My bad. --- On Tue, 8/30/11, Lance wrote: From: Lance Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Network and Power icons - what package to file bugs against? To: "Julien Lavergne" Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 7:48 PM I added a comment and screenshot @ bug 820080, but just before I got the iso tag added I got a new build notification for Lubuntu 20110830.2-i386. Guess I'll make a fresh pot of coffee :^) --- On Tue, 8/30/11, Julien Lavergne wrote: From: Julien Lavergne Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Network and Power icons - what package to file bugs against? To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 1:31 PM On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 07:48:09 -0700 (PDT) Lance wrote: > I think this has been mentioned before but both of those panel icons are still just a box containing a "do-not-enter" symbol. Are there existing bug reports? I'm not even sure if these should be filed against lxpanel or what. See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/819617 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libappindicator/+bug/820080 Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] Network and Power icons - what package to file bugs against?
I think this has been mentioned before but both of those panel icons are still just a box containing a "do-not-enter" symbol. Are there existing bug reports? I'm not even sure if these should be filed against lxpanel or what. While mentioning lxpanel, and waiting for a test install to complete, I might as well bring up a couple of wish-list items: Gosh, it would be nice to be able to adjust the font of the clock :^) And I never have figured out how to get the temp monitor to work. CPU temp is a real good indicator of how hard things are having to work. Other than that I think we have a real winner! I like the grey panel background. My eyesight stinks and after adjusting a few basic things the clock is the only thing I can't really read. To all, thanks for everything you do. I especially appreciate Phill keeping info up to date at the forums and all of the great work he does on documentation. Lance ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] Update on iso-testing images
Rather than retype everything please look here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11201545&postcount=309 I've not yet started testing the i386 live DE images, I will shortly, but I did test the 20110830-i386 alternate which may or may NOT be an official iso-testing image. I reported the failure in post #6 here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/835961 I hope Jean-Baptiste Lallement doesn't shoot me. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu iso-testing
I think wait. I tried the live image from the iso-tracker and the ubiquity version was seriously out-of-date. --- On Mon, 8/29/11, Phill Whiteside wrote: From: Phill Whiteside Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu iso-testing To: "Julien Lavergne" Cc: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net, "Jean-Baptiste Lallement" , "Lance" Date: Monday, August 29, 2011, 2:37 PM Ditto, I just tried to grab the i386 from them. The links at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/current/ have the set, are they okay to use or do we await the arrival of iso on the qa site? Regards, Phill. On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Lance wrote: I had no doubt about that but I'm not receiving iso-testing notifications as usual. In fact I now notice that there is an Ubuntu live image ready for testing, but no notification. I'm just double-checking in case something is wrong at Ubuntu QA ;^) And I hate to start testing with an incomplete or outdated image that would only waste the devs' time, or anything of that nature. --- On Mon, 8/29/11, Julien Lavergne wrote: From: Julien Lavergne Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu iso-testing To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Date: Monday, August 29, 2011, 12:18 PM On 08/29/2011 06:44 PM, Lance wrote: > I noticed from Launchpad activity that some iso-testing began several > hours ago so I've checked the iso-tracker a few times and there is an > Lubuntu live image: You can see all the ISO available by following this link : http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/lubuntu/all It should work for all releases in the future :) Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] proof of impatience
I tried the newest Lubuntu daily live image and it still has ubiquity 2.7.17 whereas the installer team is now up to 2.7.20: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/ubiquity/+changelog I haven't checked debian-installer but I'd expect likewise ;^) Sorry for being impatient. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu iso-testing
I had no doubt about that but I'm not receiving iso-testing notifications as usual. In fact I now notice that there is an Ubuntu live image ready for testing, but no notification. I'm just double-checking in case something is wrong at Ubuntu QA ;^) And I hate to start testing with an incomplete or outdated image that would only waste the devs' time, or anything of that nature. --- On Mon, 8/29/11, Julien Lavergne wrote: From: Julien Lavergne Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu iso-testing To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Date: Monday, August 29, 2011, 12:18 PM On 08/29/2011 06:44 PM, Lance wrote: > I noticed from Launchpad activity that some iso-testing began several > hours ago so I've checked the iso-tracker a few times and there is an > Lubuntu live image: You can see all the ISO available by following this link : http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/lubuntu/all It should work for all releases in the future :) Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu iso-testing
Hello, and sorry to be a pain in the neck. I'm likely just being impatient but I'd rather ask a dumb question than make a wrong assumption. I noticed from Launchpad activity that some iso-testing began several hours ago so I've checked the iso-tracker a few times and there is an Lubuntu live image: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/info/6300 So I double-checked my subscriptions and I am subscribed to Lubuntu desktop testing so I just wanted to be sure there was not a QA-testing glitch of some sort, what with Lubuntu being the new kid on the block :^) Apologies again, I've seen from following several bugs that you are very busy, and I really hate being a pest. As always thanks for all that you do, I hope Canonical knows what a great asset you are to the community. Lance ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Alternate CD images exist -- please test!
In deed. I filed a bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/835961 I hope that's helpul. --- On Sat, 8/27/11, Julien Lavergne wrote: From: Julien Lavergne Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Alternate CD images exist -- please test! To: "Jonathan Marsden" Cc: "lubuntu-desktop" Date: Saturday, August 27, 2011, 5:33 PM On 08/27/2011 07:34 PM, Jonathan Marsden wrote: > They are very very new. Please test, and report your results. These > images are a BIG benefit of our using the official build system this > cycle, requiring zero additional effort for us to generate them. Thanks, forgot to announce it properly :) Unfortunately, my last try to install with this alternate ISO resulted in an incomplete system. STill not ready to be used, but it's just a matter of time :) Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Alternate CD images exist -- please test!
No PowerPC here, I can only test i386 images but I'm downloading the alternate as I type. I'll also look at amending my iso-testing subscriptions appropriately. It's going to be a bit trying for me because I have a few Ubuntu/unity specific ubiquity bugs to follow up on that don't appear with Lubuntu, such as bug 830923: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/830923 Be patient with me, I'll do my best, but I'd expect Beta 1 iso-testing to begin Monday ;^) --- On Sat, 8/27/11, Jonathan Marsden wrote: From: Jonathan Marsden Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Alternate CD images exist -- please test! To: "lubuntu-desktop" Date: Saturday, August 27, 2011, 12:34 PM http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily/current/oneiric-alternate-i386.iso Thanks to some recent work by Colin Watson on this, specifically for Lubuntu, we now have automatically created daily Lubuntu Alternate CD images. These should install on low RAM machines more easily than the Live CD images do. They are very very new. Please test, and report your results. These images are a BIG benefit of our using the official build system this cycle, requiring zero additional effort for us to generate them. Incidentally, if anyone has PowerPC hardware available, testing the daily PowerPC builds, both LiveCD and AlternateCD, would be good. Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Not good news re. old mesa drivers
That's definitely bad news for me :^( I currently still maintain 24 machines with P4M800 integrated chips and, if I'm reading that right, I'm about to need some major hardware upgrades. I also maintain a few machines with older Intel 8xx chips. Most of the machines with VIA chips are ones I upgraded myself for seniors to bring them out of the Win 98 and ME stone-age. I may be tarred and feathered if I can't keep these machines working ;^) --- On Sat, 8/27/11, Yorvyk wrote: From: Yorvyk Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] Not good news re. old mesa drivers To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Date: Saturday, August 27, 2011, 9:04 AM This is not good news, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTg0Mg -- Yorvyk ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] When might lubuntu daily images be available again?
I don't know what else I can add to the title. No daily images have been available for several days. I particularly want to be able to test some of the ubiquity changes with Lubuntu rather than Ubuntu but so far that's not possible. Also quite a few sites now say that "dailies" are available but when you search nothing is available. Just wondering. Thanks in advance. Lance ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] A question
I see some of the info on the linked pages is out of date, specifically: http://qa.ubuntu.com/testing/iso-testing/ You'll notice it refers to "You can check at the Lucid Schedule that there was an Alpha 1, Alpha 2, Alpha 3 ..". I do know the Lubuntu desktop image appeared on the tracker for Oneiric Alpha 3: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/ Although there were no alternate or upgrade tests listed we're gaining. Keeping documentation updated is a huge challenge, one that I lack both the time and skills to tackle :^( --- On Fri, 8/12/11, Phill Whiteside wrote: From: Phill Whiteside Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] A question To: "Ubuntu Mailing list" Cc: "lubuntu-desktop" Date: Friday, August 12, 2011, 2:11 PM Hi, QA, A couple of people have stated that Lubuntu is not 'really' on the ISO testing area, one simple example would be http://qa.ubuntu.com/ which does not even list xubuntu? I am struggling to send people who would like to get involved in QA when they return to me to say "the site does not work". If there are any wiki edits that you need to live and active pages I would be more than happy to get them there. (I also have a gang of people who would love this in their resumee). Regards, Phill. -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] forum area
We're OK ;^) One person went on a rant without spending a little time to explore. They were basically comparing our Alpha 3 to a final release w/o even having read the release notes.. I think the i386 is pretty good other than a few cosmetic blemishes, can't comment on the 64bit version because I lack 64bit hardware but I saw a lot of bugs reported. Hopefully in about another week I'll be able to monitor the forums a bit closer, but not all of those threads should have been merged. Regardless it was mostly just a rant that begs to question, "should development releases be limited to those who have at least a basic understanding what the word development means?" ;^) I'd hope not actually because I might not be able to pass the test. --- On Thu, 8/11/11, Phill Whiteside wrote: From: Phill Whiteside Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] forum area To: "lubuntu-desktop" Cc: ubuntu-qa-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com, ubuntu-beginners-coun...@lists.ubuntu.com Date: Thursday, August 11, 2011, 6:30 PM Whilst we cannot serve the forum area, would I ask people to keep an eye on them, and re-iterrate that bugs should be reported correctly. Having discussions on areas that our devs do not monitor is regressive. I know that the ops on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11142592 have and do wonderful work. If you see a posting, please 'report' it and ask the they move it there. All you need to do is click on 'REPORT'. the guys are not going to say it is spam. it just cuts down where we look and allows people on the forum to know to know better that they are not alone. Herding the comments into one area is better for us & better for the forum area. Regards, Phill. -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Alpha 3 testing
Thanks Steven. I PM'ed someone I know at QA and I think it's fixed now. I hadn't yet seen your post when I posted. Thanks for all you do, we're gaining everyday, Lance --- On Tue, 8/2/11, Steven wrote: From: Steven Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Alpha 3 testing To: "Lance" Cc: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Date: Tuesday, August 2, 2011, 3:20 AM Lance, You'll see on iso.qa.ubuntu.com that the Lubuntu build you're testing is "Lubuntu Desktop i386 (20110801)" That means it's the daily-live from 08/01/2011. So you should use the images from: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/20110801/ Tomorrow might bring "Lubuntu Desktop i386 (20110802)", which means the images would be in: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/20110802/and so on. I have a feeling you might already know this and are just reporting a bug (in which case I don't mean to sound presumptuous), but I figured an answer to the question couldn't hurt. And other Lubuntu testers might not be as adept at the iso tracker and might like a little detail and explanation. :) -Steven On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 2:54 AM, Lance wrote: Arrgh, just realized when I sent this to Julien I forgot to cc the list. Sorry, Lance --- On Mon, 8/1/11, Lance wrote: From: Lance Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Alpha 3 testing To: "Julien Lavergne" Date: Monday, August 1, 2011, 11:20 PM Hi Julien. I've just begun some Ubuntu Alpha3 iso-testing and I noticed Lubuntu is now listed, yeah! But whether I use the links you provided or just go through the iso-tracker when I click on the disc graphic I just get the following page saying "no image found": http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/info/6096 I do however see that the daily iso has been updated now: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/current/ Is that the correct image? Maybe a link just needs to be fixed? Thanks for all you do, Lance --- On Mon, 8/1/11, Julien Lavergne wrote: From: Julien Lavergne Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Alpha 3 testing To: "lubuntu-desktop" Date: Monday, August 1, 2011, 6:00 PM Hi, For Oneiric Alpha 3, there will be some changes for people who test the ISOs. We are going to use http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ to track tests and bugs on the ISOs :) You can find documentation on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Procedures Currently, there are 2 ISOs to test : - Live i386 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/6096 - Live amd64 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/6095 Alternates will probably be too late for Alpha 3, but we may be able to test them in the futur. For now, test cases are standard. If you have idea to extent them, fell free to propose them, so we can discuss them on the list. There are already several bugs reported about the ISO. Be sure to check them before reporting a new bug. Also, be sure to subscribe to them if you want to track progress on them : - Jockey crashes on start : http://pad.lv/819506 - Missing icons in the menu : http://pad.lv/819525 - No indicators on lxpanel : http://pad.lv/819528 - Installer require 4.6 Gb of free space : http://pad.lv/819538 - Gwibber install by default : http://pad.lv/819519 - GTK3 applications doesn't have a theme : http://pad.lv/819529 - Generic icon for network-manager : http://pad.lv/796147 - Generic icon for jockey : http://pad.lv/819542 I also modified the page for testing on the wiki : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing And remember, Alpha 3 is planned for Thursday, don't start testing on Friday ;) Thanks in advance for all adventurous testers :) Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Alpha 3 testing
Arrgh, just realized when I sent this to Julien I forgot to cc the list. Sorry, Lance --- On Mon, 8/1/11, Lance wrote: From: Lance Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Alpha 3 testing To: "Julien Lavergne" Date: Monday, August 1, 2011, 11:20 PM Hi Julien. I've just begun some Ubuntu Alpha3 iso-testing and I noticed Lubuntu is now listed, yeah! But whether I use the links you provided or just go through the iso-tracker when I click on the disc graphic I just get the following page saying "no image found": http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/info/6096 I do however see that the daily iso has been updated now: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/current/ Is that the correct image? Maybe a link just needs to be fixed? Thanks for all you do, Lance --- On Mon, 8/1/11, Julien Lavergne wrote: From: Julien Lavergne Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Alpha 3 testing To: "lubuntu-desktop" Date: Monday, August 1, 2011, 6:00 PM Hi, For Oneiric Alpha 3, there will be some changes for people who test the ISOs. We are going to use http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ to track tests and bugs on the ISOs :) You can find documentation on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Procedures Currently, there are 2 ISOs to test : - Live i386 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/6096 - Live amd64 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/6095 Alternates will probably be too late for Alpha 3, but we may be able to test them in the futur. For now, test cases are standard. If you have idea to extent them, fell free to propose them, so we can discuss them on the list. There are already several bugs reported about the ISO. Be sure to check them before reporting a new bug. Also, be sure to subscribe to them if you want to track progress on them : - Jockey crashes on start : http://pad.lv/819506 - Missing icons in the menu : http://pad.lv/819525 - No indicators on lxpanel : http://pad.lv/819528 - Installer require 4.6 Gb of free space : http://pad.lv/819538 - Gwibber install by default : http://pad.lv/819519 - GTK3 applications doesn't have a theme : http://pad.lv/819529 - Generic icon for network-manager : http://pad.lv/796147 - Generic icon for jockey : http://pad.lv/819542 I also modified the page for testing on the wiki : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing And remember, Alpha 3 is planned for Thursday, don't start testing on Friday ;) Thanks in advance for all adventurous testers :) Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Second Test Lubuntu Lucid 10.04.3 ISO image available
OK, some testing done. Just FYI, whether I have a passing md5sum or not I always begin by running the Live CD "self-test" and this one passed with no errors. I find it's always best to double-check even though I've had less than 1% of my burns fail . I'm kind of anal retentive about such things ;^) Anyway I've completed an "entire disc" install and an "auto-resize" install with only very minor issues: #1: As you said clicking on Install from the boot menu still brings up the live desktop. #2: Choosing "login automatically" during installation does not work. #3: There is no "slide-show" during installation but to be honest I prefer that :^) #4: The upstream bug #539027 (IO error after CD is ejected at end of install), but just like the live usb-creator problem these are Ubuntu issues so we just need to link to Ubuntu release notes I'd think. But otherwise I find things to be quite usable, even that version of pcmanfm seems quite intuitive. Due to poor eyesight I keep a custom xorg.conf on my flash drive and I always copy it to home using pcmanfm, then use the terminal with "sudo" to move it to /etc/X11, and it just works great as does browsing through multiple other OS's and data partitions. IMHO there are no real show-stopper bugs in this iso, although I know from having played with Lubuntu on my old Micron w/335mhz PII and 256MB RAM that installing from live does not work, but generally installing by choosing install from the boot menu will, so we'd probably be doing somewhat low-spec users a favor by having that work. NOTE: That old PII 335mhz is painfully slow with Lubuntu, but no slower than Win XP. Puppy is a somewhat better fit but it gives me fits with my wired router whereas Lubuntu has no connection problems at all. Sorry to get a bit off topic. It looks to me like you're very close on this and just FYI I'm testing on actual hardware: Intel Atom 230 CPU @ 1.60GHz System Memory 2GB DIMM Intel 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Thanks again for all your hard work, Lance --- On Sun, 7/31/11, Jonathan Marsden wrote: From: Jonathan Marsden Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Second Test Lubuntu Lucid 10.04.3 ISO image available To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Date: Sunday, July 31, 2011, 11:37 PM On 07/31/2011 06:09 PM, Jonathan Marsden wrote: > HOWEVER: *first*, the 10.04.3 image needs to work as designed, and > actually install to a hard disk :) ... Well, I'm a significant step closer. A file called lubuntu-lucid-20110801-i386.iso is being uploaded to Phill W's site as I type. It still has a non-functional "Install Lubuntu" menu item, but the "Try Lubuntu without installing" one now has an appropriate installer icon on the desktop, and clicking it works, allowing you to install Lubuntu 10.04.3 to your hard drive. At least, it works for me in VirtualBox. Once the upload finishes, it should available using wget -c http://phillw.net/lubuntu-lucid-20110801-i386.iso I'm not sure how much more time I will be able to spend on this during the work week, so I'm uploading a second test 10.04.3 ISO that I know still has at least one significant flaw. If anyone out there is expecting a "real" fully working and fully tested Lubuntu 10.04.3 release image, then "These are not the ISOs you are looking for" :) Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Second Test Lubuntu Lucid 10.04.3 ISO image available
Just downloaded it, the md5sum I get is: 3f2d7b310e2db02a08b6085bd03b44ba lubuntu-lucid-20110801-i386.iso I'm going to go ahead and burn it because I seldom get a bad download, but thought I should verify all the same. I'll let you know how things go. --- On Sun, 7/31/11, Jonathan Marsden wrote: From: Jonathan Marsden Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Second Test Lubuntu Lucid 10.04.3 ISO image available To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Date: Sunday, July 31, 2011, 11:37 PM On 07/31/2011 06:09 PM, Jonathan Marsden wrote: > HOWEVER: *first*, the 10.04.3 image needs to work as designed, and > actually install to a hard disk :) ... Well, I'm a significant step closer. A file called lubuntu-lucid-20110801-i386.iso is being uploaded to Phill W's site as I type. It still has a non-functional "Install Lubuntu" menu item, but the "Try Lubuntu without installing" one now has an appropriate installer icon on the desktop, and clicking it works, allowing you to install Lubuntu 10.04.3 to your hard drive. At least, it works for me in VirtualBox. Once the upload finishes, it should available using wget -c http://phillw.net/lubuntu-lucid-20110801-i386.iso I'm not sure how much more time I will be able to spend on this during the work week, so I'm uploading a second test 10.04.3 ISO that I know still has at least one significant flaw. If anyone out there is expecting a "real" fully working and fully tested Lubuntu 10.04.3 release image, then "These are not the ISOs you are looking for" :) Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Test Lubuntu Lucid 10.04.3 ISO image available
OK, booted again and tried clicking on that install folder icon but it was a no go. I browsed about a bit in there but I'm stumped :^( I haven't yet tried repeating that persistence test but I'll wait until I hear from you. Note: I expect there to be official iso-testing of Ubuntu 11.10 Alpha3 images very soon, probably within 24 to 48 hours, so that will be a priority for me. Although as soon as Lubuntu is added to the QA-tracker I'll change my subscription from testing Ubuntu images to testing Lubuntu images ;^) My guess is that most people wanting Lubuntu will want the "latest and greatest" anyway, and with 12.04 being the next LTS we could then decide what to do about LTS point releases. For example only Ubuntu and Kubuntu produced a 10.04.3, Xubuntu did not, so there appears to be some leeway regarding that. I'll admit that I'm just "itching" to see Lubuntu 11.10, or at the latest 12.04, get into official iso-testing ;^) Lance --- On Sun, 7/31/11, Jonathan Marsden wrote: From: Jonathan Marsden Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Test Lubuntu Lucid 10.04.3 ISO image available To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Date: Sunday, July 31, 2011, 12:14 AM On 07/30/2011 10:02 PM, Jonathan Marsden wrote: > My first attempt at an Lubuntu 10.04.3 ISO (warning: this is an > unofficial, community version, which is relatively untested, and may eat > your cat/steal your girlfriend/do bad things...) is now at > > ftp://ftp/jmarsden.org/pub/lubuntu-lucid-20110731-i386.iso Typo alert! Let's make that ftp://ftp.jmarsden.org/pub/lubuntu-lucid-20110731-i386.iso Incidentally, there is an md5sum file for it at ftp://ftp.jmarsden.org/pub/lubuntu-lucid-20110731-i386.iso.md5 Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Test Lubuntu Lucid 10.04.3 ISO image available
Regarding the lack of an install icon: I booted the Live CD this time choosing to "Install" but it still booted to the Live Desktop. As I browsed about in pcmanfm I found the Lubuntu image and once opened it shows an install icon. I posted a screenshot here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11104452&postcount=149 I didn't try clicking on that yet to begin the installation but I wanted to let you know what I'd found. Lance --- On Sun, 7/31/11, Jonathan Marsden wrote: From: Jonathan Marsden Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Test Lubuntu Lucid 10.04.3 ISO image available To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Date: Sunday, July 31, 2011, 12:14 AM On 07/30/2011 10:02 PM, Jonathan Marsden wrote: > My first attempt at an Lubuntu 10.04.3 ISO (warning: this is an > unofficial, community version, which is relatively untested, and may eat > your cat/steal your girlfriend/do bad things...) is now at > > ftp://ftp/jmarsden.org/pub/lubuntu-lucid-20110731-i386.iso Typo alert! Let's make that ftp://ftp.jmarsden.org/pub/lubuntu-lucid-20110731-i386.iso Incidentally, there is an md5sum file for it at ftp://ftp.jmarsden.org/pub/lubuntu-lucid-20110731-i386.iso.md5 Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Test Lubuntu Lucid 10.04.3 ISO image available
I just booted that original Lubuntu 10.04 CD and "Install Lubuntu" is on the desktop, whereas on the new 10.04.3 CD the only desktop icon present is My Documents which appears to open "Home". One other minor thing, well a difference between the two, the F6 option on the 10.04 CD says "Other options" as seems normal, but the 10.04.3 CD says "Password", although pressing F6 displays the expected options. I'll run a few more tests ASAP. Oh, as far as I tell pcmanfm and all of the lxde apps seem to work well. Although I'm still quite new to Lubuntu so I could easily overlook something, but mounting filesystems (including a data flash drive) and browsing through system files seems to work quite well. I'm very impressed with the simplicity and functionality of pcmanfm, IMHO it's a true work of art, very intuitive. Lance --- On Sun, 7/31/11, Jonathan Marsden wrote: From: Jonathan Marsden Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Test Lubuntu Lucid 10.04.3 ISO image available To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Date: Sunday, July 31, 2011, 12:14 AM On 07/30/2011 10:02 PM, Jonathan Marsden wrote: > My first attempt at an Lubuntu 10.04.3 ISO (warning: this is an > unofficial, community version, which is relatively untested, and may eat > your cat/steal your girlfriend/do bad things...) is now at > > ftp://ftp/jmarsden.org/pub/lubuntu-lucid-20110731-i386.iso Typo alert! Let's make that ftp://ftp.jmarsden.org/pub/lubuntu-lucid-20110731-i386.iso Incidentally, there is an md5sum file for it at ftp://ftp.jmarsden.org/pub/lubuntu-lucid-20110731-i386.iso.md5 Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Test Lubuntu Lucid 10.04.3 ISO image available
The first thing I notice is that there is no "Install" icon on the desktop or in the menu to allow installation from the Live Desktop. You can of course reboot and begin the installation process from the boot menu. I just happened to look though and I see that I have an original Lubuntu 10.04 Live CD so let me do a quick comparison. I'll still go ahead and run through three installation scenarios (an "entire disc" install, followed by an "auto-resize" install, and finally a "manual partitioning" install) just to be certain no cats are eaten ;^) I also failed at running a "persistent" session with the Live CD using a "casper-rw" partition but I need to repeat that test to be certain what went wrong ... there's always a possibility that I goofed. ATM I don't have a spare flash drive to create a Live USB, but when I was iso-testing the Ubuntu 10.04.3 images I found that bug #645818 still existed so it's difficult to create a Lucid Live USB with some newer versions of "usb-creator". Also I may be unavailable for a few hours. I've been trying to get most of my "physical work" done early here before the heat sets in. Thanks for all you do, Lance --- On Sun, 7/31/11, Jonathan Marsden wrote: From: Jonathan Marsden Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Test Lubuntu Lucid 10.04.3 ISO image available To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Date: Sunday, July 31, 2011, 12:14 AM On 07/30/2011 10:02 PM, Jonathan Marsden wrote: > My first attempt at an Lubuntu 10.04.3 ISO (warning: this is an > unofficial, community version, which is relatively untested, and may eat > your cat/steal your girlfriend/do bad things...) is now at > > ftp://ftp/jmarsden.org/pub/lubuntu-lucid-20110731-i386.iso Typo alert! Let's make that ftp://ftp.jmarsden.org/pub/lubuntu-lucid-20110731-i386.iso Incidentally, there is an md5sum file for it at ftp://ftp.jmarsden.org/pub/lubuntu-lucid-20110731-i386.iso.md5 Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New ISO images available : Lubuntu
In deed, the image will get smaller. My message may have been misleading. I was just reflecting on three years of iso-testing ;^) It's not at all uncommon for dev images to be larger than normal, particularly during Alpha stage. Sorry if I caused any confusion. --- On Wed, 7/27/11, Matthew Byers wrote: From: Matthew Byers Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New ISO images available : Lubuntu To: "gs" Cc: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Date: Wednesday, July 27, 2011, 5:01 PM The image size will become smaller. On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 5:18 PM, gs wrote: On 07/27/2011 12:08 AM, Lance wrote: This is excellent news. Hopefully Ubuntu QA will be able to add the Lubuntu images to iso-testing by either Alpha3 or Beta1. Once Lubuntu is included in iso-testing I'll shift my testing from Ubuntu desktop images to Lubuntu desktop images. Don't worry too much about the oversize images. I've been iso-testing for quite some time and oversize images are the norm during alpha stage, and even the daily beta images are often oversize. As RC and final iso-testing approaches more effort is made at reducing the size of the images to under 700MB. Many thanks for all of the great work, Lance --- On Tue, 7/26/11, Julien Lavergne wrote: From: Julien Lavergne Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] New ISO images available : Lubuntu To: "Ubuntu Developers" Cc: "lubuntu-desktop" Date: Tuesday, July 26, 2011, 4:52 PM Hi Ubuntu developers, New images have pop up on cdimage.ubuntu.com [1]. Finally, Lubuntu is out of the Ubuntu factory :) [2] For people who don't know Lubuntu, this is a quick presentation. Lubuntu is a distribution based on Ubuntu, and the LXDE desktop environnement. The main goal is to provide a very lightweight distribution, but with all the advantages of the Ubuntu world (repositories, support ...). Currently we are using : - Chromium for the browser - Openbox for the windows manager - Pcmanfm for the file manager - Abiword + Gnumeric for office work - Pidgin for IM - Audacious for playing music - Gnome-mplayer for videos - Some GNOME components : evince, file-roller, gnome-keyring - Most of the LXDE components You can find the complete list of applications by default on the wiki [3]. After 2 years of work, and 3 "unofficial" releases (10.04, 10.10 and 11.04), we had recently an official go from the Technical Board and ISO images are now made like other Ubuntu flavors. I hope the 11.10 will be the 1st official release of Lubuntu as a member of the Ubuntu family :) We have 2 important particularities. Like Xubuntu, we use another GTK-based desktop environnement than GNOME, and we try to avoid unnecessary GNOME depends which could slow the system. We need some GNOME parts because LXDE doesn't provide all necessary components. It's the reason why we are very careful about dependencies of those applications. We are also very strict with ressources requirement. It's the reason why we don't include all Ubuntu specific applications. For example, we don't include Software-Center because it's still a bit heavy for some of our targets. I would like to thanks all people who make this happen, especially Mark, Colin and Emmet, and all people involved in the development of Lubuntu and LXDE. If you want to talk to the Lubuntu community, you can use our mailing list (lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net) or IRC : #lubuntu on Freenode. You can also find information on our wiki [3]. Thanks for your attention :) Regards, Julien Lavergne [1] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/ [2] It's still young images, which for now, are oversized, don't load the desktop session, and have wrong splash images .. they should be better in the futur :) [3] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Applications [4] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp is the iso going to stay at 800gb or is it going back down to 600 please ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- God Bless -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.n
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New ISO images available : Lubuntu
This is excellent news. Hopefully Ubuntu QA will be able to add the Lubuntu images to iso-testing by either Alpha3 or Beta1. Once Lubuntu is included in iso-testing I'll shift my testing from Ubuntu desktop images to Lubuntu desktop images. Don't worry too much about the oversize images. I've been iso-testing for quite some time and oversize images are the norm during alpha stage, and even the daily beta images are often oversize. As RC and final iso-testing approaches more effort is made at reducing the size of the images to under 700MB. Many thanks for all of the great work, Lance --- On Tue, 7/26/11, Julien Lavergne wrote: From: Julien Lavergne Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] New ISO images available : Lubuntu To: "Ubuntu Developers" Cc: "lubuntu-desktop" Date: Tuesday, July 26, 2011, 4:52 PM Hi Ubuntu developers, New images have pop up on cdimage.ubuntu.com [1]. Finally, Lubuntu is out of the Ubuntu factory :) [2] For people who don't know Lubuntu, this is a quick presentation. Lubuntu is a distribution based on Ubuntu, and the LXDE desktop environnement. The main goal is to provide a very lightweight distribution, but with all the advantages of the Ubuntu world (repositories, support ...). Currently we are using : - Chromium for the browser - Openbox for the windows manager - Pcmanfm for the file manager - Abiword + Gnumeric for office work - Pidgin for IM - Audacious for playing music - Gnome-mplayer for videos - Some GNOME components : evince, file-roller, gnome-keyring - Most of the LXDE components You can find the complete list of applications by default on the wiki [3]. After 2 years of work, and 3 "unofficial" releases (10.04, 10.10 and 11.04), we had recently an official go from the Technical Board and ISO images are now made like other Ubuntu flavors. I hope the 11.10 will be the 1st official release of Lubuntu as a member of the Ubuntu family :) We have 2 important particularities. Like Xubuntu, we use another GTK-based desktop environnement than GNOME, and we try to avoid unnecessary GNOME depends which could slow the system. We need some GNOME parts because LXDE doesn't provide all necessary components. It's the reason why we are very careful about dependencies of those applications. We are also very strict with ressources requirement. It's the reason why we don't include all Ubuntu specific applications. For example, we don't include Software-Center because it's still a bit heavy for some of our targets. I would like to thanks all people who make this happen, especially Mark, Colin and Emmet, and all people involved in the development of Lubuntu and LXDE. If you want to talk to the Lubuntu community, you can use our mailing list (lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net) or IRC : #lubuntu on Freenode. You can also find information on our wiki [3]. Thanks for your attention :) Regards, Julien Lavergne [1] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/ [2] It's still young images, which for now, are oversized, don't load the desktop session, and have wrong splash images .. they should be better in the futur :) [3] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Applications [4] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Alpha 2 cancelled
It was recently mentioned at the forums to possibly use the "lubuntu-dev/staging" ppa for bug testing. I've been using the "lubuntu-dev/lubuntu-daily" ppa for quite some time and I wonder if it's safe to mix the two ppa's? I might just add that I've encountered only a few minor problems: 1) I can't for the life of me get the hardware temp monitor to work in lxpanel. 2) I wish I could increase the font size of the clock in lxpanel (poor eyesight). 3) Double (or triple) icon in the panel showing that my network is broken, although it's not. 4) When installing only "lubuntu-core" in an existing Ubuntu installation the package "galculator" is installed, and I wonder why that's a dependency of "lubuntu-core" rather than just "lubuntu-desktop". Note: I personally much prefer a clean install of Lubuntu anyway, but I anticipate others may want to at least try that approach. Of course all of the above are very minor, insignificant things and I'm really impressed with Lubuntu in general. Many thanks to all involved for all of your efforts. --- On Fri, 7/22/11, Julien Lavergne wrote: From: Julien Lavergne Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Alpha 2 cancelled To: "lubuntu-desktop" Date: Friday, July 22, 2011, 9:34 AM Hi, Just to confirm that there will be no Alpha 2 of Lubuntu Oneiric. Works are in progress to make it usable. I hope to have an Alpha 3 to test. For the build with Ubuntu ISO build system, we still blocked by technical problems on Canonical side. I'll post when I have more news about it. Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Ubuntu Developer Week - Preparation
I've not been able to play at the desk much in the past few weeks. but the top of my list is: 1) Integrate with iso-testing so I can test Lubuntu rather than Ubuntu. (Although I'll still cross-test for certain bugs.) 2) I think you know what will work best with the documentation. I stumbled a bit at first but after corresponding briefly with you at the Ubuntu forums it all became clear. 3) Bug reporting info is "good" but may need some refining. I'm personally quite pleased with Lubuntu, both Natty and Oneiric. Beyond being a great "light-weight" distro I think it offers a sweet alternative to the newer Unity and Gnome options ;^) BTW I can get Lubuntu to run on a PII 333mhz CPU w/256mb RAM, not "live" but if I choose "install" it does install and work properly - certainly better than Win 98 :^) --- On Mon, 7/4/11, Phill Whiteside wrote: From: Phill Whiteside Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Ubuntu Developer Week - Preparation To: "lubuntu-desktop" Date: Monday, July 4, 2011, 5:01 PM Well, very quickly, what do all wish me to concentrate upon? My view is where we came on from and our rasion d'etre There still seems to be an issue between https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu#Downloading Lubuntu and the information on http://lubuntu.net/ A new comer to Lubuntu cares not about which area has the up to date information. All that matters to them is that we do not get one set of information on lubuntu.net that is not in synch with the other and, vice versa. Whatever Lubuntu area is chosen for the most up to date information is THE area, all others feed off it. I know that I am awaiting for the build system to be finalised, I can and will happily explain that we are awaiting. It was nice to be asked from the Lubuntu area to make a presentation to everyone. We have enough time (well, about 10 days). Please do shout and scream at me. Regards, Phill. -- Forwarded message -- From: Daniel Holbach Date: Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 12:43 PM Subject: Ubuntu Developer Week - Preparation To: Sebastien Bacher , direct...@apebox.org, Barry Warsaw , Bhavani Shankar R , Martin Pitt , Brian Murray , Deryck Hodge , Nathan Handler , David Planella , John Johansen , Dustin Kirkland , Zygmunt Krynicki , Mark Russell , Florian Boucault , Ahmed Kamal , Jani Monoses , Jay Taoko , James Page , Sam Spilsbury , Nigel Babu , Michael Hall , Carlos de Avillez , Pedro Villavicencio , phi...@ubuntu.com Hello everybody, first of all: thank you very much for agreeing to give a session at this cycle's Ubuntu Developer Week! UDW would be nothing without you. Please forward this message to people who will give the session together with you, so they know what's going on and who to ask for help if necessary. We are going to announce the event either today or tomorrow and there is only very little for you to do until then (apart from preparing a few bits for your session... :-)). You might have heard of Lernid already. Think of it as a great way to join into learning events on IRC. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lernid has more info about it. We will advertise this as a good way for new people to join UDW. The great thing is that they don't have to bother with IRC and stuff, but also that links you mention automatically are opened in a webpage pane and that if you decide to use slides (in .pdf format), you can demo them too. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lernid/Session%20Leaders has more info about how to do that. If you want your presentation to be available for the event, either send me a link to it or the presentation itself. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek is the final schedule and I just set up https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Sessions where you can ask the attendants of your sessions to prepare themselves, if necessary. Also describe what the session is about. Please update the page accordingly. For those of you who have not participated in an Ubuntu Developer Week before, this is roughly how it works: - Sessions are held in #ubuntu-classroom on irc.freenode.net. It will almost exclusively you speaking in there. Please try to finish your session in time for the next session. - Some sessions in the past had ~400 attendants, so to keep the session log readable and understandable, we ask attendants to ask their questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat. We will have a bot in the chat channel who can relay questions easily. Check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom/ClassBot for more info. - Session logs will be made available afterwards on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek - We will have translators available in channels like #ubuntu-classroom-chat-ca, #ubuntu-classroom-chat-de, etc. who will translate and relay questions to #ubuntu-classroom-chat for those who
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a new release.
@ Jonathan and Julien, This sounds great. I'll try to check this out in the next couple of days: https://launchpad.net/~jmarsden/+archive/lubuntu A shared PPA, like "lubuntu-dev/lubuntu-daily" sounds like a great idea. I'm moving my home office ATM, LAN wiring is complete, but I may be tied up with this mess for a while. --- On Sun, 6/19/11, Julien Lavergne wrote: From: Julien Lavergne Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a new release. To: "Jonathan Marsden" Cc: "Lance" , lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Date: Sunday, June 19, 2011, 5:57 AM Le Saturday 18 June 2011 à 21:31 -0700, Jonathan Marsden a écrit : > Option (2) happened, or is happening. > > My PPA at ppa:jmarsden/lubuntu now has libfm and pcmanfm versions for > Natty 11.04, packages that you can help us test. They are being built > from the upstream git development source code. Right now, the amd64 > versions are already there, and the i386 build of pcmanfm should > arrive > in a couple of hours. So > > sudo add-apt-repository ppa:jmarsden/lubuntu > sudo apt-get update > sudo apt-get install pcmanfm > > should get you a packaged pcmanfm you can test. > > Jonathan Could we push them to a shared PPA, like lubuntu-dev/lubuntu-daily ? I'll will set up the rest of lxde components to have fully daily build fo LXDE. Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a new release.
As a complete noob to Lubuntu (moving from Ubuntu/Gnome) I wonder if it would be possible to test this via a PPA before committing to a change for Oneiric. Take note; I'm only an iso-tester so I'm clueless about the complexity involved, but I find pcmanfm quite easy to adapt to (basically just simple and intuitive) so I'm reluctant to see the devs make any changes that could possibly have a negative effect ;^) I just want to see Lubuntu remain as stable as it is while confronting it's current challenges: 1) Becoming a full fledged member of the Ubuntu family. 2) IMHO maintaining a very feasible fall-back for those "turned off" by gnome3, gnome-shell, and/or unity :^) 3) Implementing the change to GTK+ 3. Of course this is just an opinion from a true "end user" with a bit of testing experience. --- On Sat, 6/11/11, PCMan wrote: From: PCMan Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a new release. To: "lxde-list" , "pcmanfm-develop" , "lubuntu-desktop" , lxde-i...@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Saturday, June 11, 2011, 12:21 PM Hi all, I'm here to call for a review for PCManFM as the source code in git is in quite good shape now. Many known bugs are fixed and I did much refactor to the tabbed browsing part and merge changes in tab-rework3 branch with master. Please help test and update translations in various distros. If things are ok, I propose a new release. Some major changes: 1. "Reload Folder" is available now in View menu. 2. "Directory Tree" mode is available in side pane. 3. Filesystem size is updated in a more correctly and efficient way. 4. Many bugs causing crashes are fixed. 5. Shows a warning icon in toolbar when running as "root". 6. Supports menu keys. minor changes: 1. Fixed some memory leaks. 2. ~ and / to move focus to location bar 3. Improve internal structure of PCManFM. 4. Code cleanup. A new release as 0.9.9 is required. Please help review and test the code in git. Thanks a lot. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Proposed changes to lubuntu-desktop
Generally speaking, packages like "lubuntu-desktop" or "ubuntu-desktop" are meta-packages: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MetaPackages It's generally OK to remove a meta-package but you must know what you're doing to some degree. For instance I could remove 'lxterminal' but if I did so prior to installing another terminal I'd be pretty well up a creek w/o a paddle. Aysiu from Ubuntu forums created a guide here: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/index If you look at the "Playing Around" section you'll get a good general idea what I'm talking about. --- On Tue, 6/7/11, Todd Carnes wrote: From: Todd Carnes Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Proposed changes to lubuntu-desktop To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2011, 6:08 PM On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 08:15:16 -0400 Tim Bernhard wrote: > The only thing I don't like is the games. (Is there an easy way for me to > remove the games all at once?? I never really looked into it.) I wanted to remove them (as well as Abiword & Gnumeric), but when I tell Synaptic to get rid of them, it says that it must remove lubuntu-desktop as well. So, not wanting to destroy an otherwise great system, I cancel out of it. It does irk me though that lubuntu presumes to know better than I what is needed on my system and threatens to self-destruct if I don't do as it says. -- Todd Carnes ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Proposed changes to lubuntu-desktop
"I say stick with what we've got and lets get Lubuntu twiddled and polished. "Remember when suggesting applications that the target is a couple of hundred MHz CPU and 128 MiB of RAM." Indeed, let's remain focused on keeping Lubuntu light. We also need to consider how many changes are already in the works ;^) I doubt the change to GTK+ 3 will be without numerous challenges, as will be transition to becoming a full-fledged Ubuntu release. No easy time for the limited number of devs. But, regarding software in particular this may come into play, from the ToDo (more than bite size) list: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/TODO "Software-center : Work on a new minimal interface to see if it's possible to switch to SC: TODO " It may be possible that an appropriate version of SC could solve most of these problems. Maybe we could install even less and then let people decide what fits their needs and hardware best. But ATM we need to give the devs room to adjust to the changes at hand. --- On Tue, 6/7/11, Yorvyk wrote: From: Yorvyk Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Proposed changes to lubuntu-desktop To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2011, 2:19 PM On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 13:06:28 -0400 Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset wrote: > >From a very-humble user point of view: > > I use Libre Office + Gnumeric (Abiword can't convince me). As i read > recently, Libre Office is getting performance improvements, but the problem > is still the ram consumption vs the ram used by abiword (i use LO for writer > and slideshows, but gnumeric is a magnificient tool), LO is an option? It > could bring a slideshow editor to Lubuntu... Let individually decide but my > guess is that Lubuntu should remain with abiword & gnumeric for the concept. > Midori: in many ways it could be best than chromium, but as PCMAN said, it's > not stable at all . Try running Libre/open Office on a 160 MIB, 300MHz machine and I think you'll find it just becomes unpleasant. Abiword does everything I need of a word processor, and I install it on Ubuntu as Libre/Open Office is just cumbersome. As somebody who has had to sit through endless 'slide show' presentations I believe it may be one of the worst uses for a computer ever. I have Midori on one machine and keep trying it. It seems to take two steps forward then one back. It has a way to go before it is a real alternative to FF or Chromium, sadly. > Games: ace of penguins is faster than anything, but they're not "cool" at > all. Everybody i've shown this says something like "looks ugly, how can i > configure it?". There's nothing better around? Ace of Penquins is probably best described as functional ;) but, who needs 'looks' in card games anyway? There is however a set of icons being produced, slowly, for it. \o/ > PDF viewers: i'm with Rafael on this, Evince is the best choice there is > (besides, it can read a lot of formats, not only pdf ;) Evince does appear to be the most functional of PDF reader on Linux. > > xscreensaver makes my installations crash on every old computer i own, i > already said this on the mailing list: it's heavy and it consumes energy > displaying something fancy on the screen instead of just a black screen or > turn it off (clearly i don't like it...); but it locks the screen, so it's > necessary. I have nothing nice to say about screen-savers so will say nothing. > > xchat as i know is on discussion as i read recently... Pidgin would be the > option. I hate Pidgin and will install XChat if it isn't installed by default. I say stick with what we've got and lets get Lubuntu twiddled and polished. Remember when suggesting applications that the target is a couple of hundred MHz CPU and 128 MiB of RAM. -- Steve Cook (Yorvyk) http://lubuntu.net ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] The need to improve Lubuntu bug filing
Indeed, you're right. Using "sudo /etc/init.d/lxdm restart" does complete the live CD boot process and lands me in a true Lubuntu DE instead of that LXDE. And the buttons are there in the Lubuntu DE so it's all somehow related to the Live CD not completing the boot process on it's own. No worries. Since you have a whole new build process in the works I look forward to helping you test. Sorry to be a nuisance. --- On Sun, 6/5/11, Julien Lavergne wrote: From: Julien Lavergne Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] The need to improve Lubuntu bug filing To: "Lance" Cc: "lubuntu-desktop" Date: Sunday, June 5, 2011, 3:48 PM Le Sunday 05 June 2011 à 13:14 -0700, Lance a écrit : > Regarding the lacking restart or shutdown buttons I posted a > screenshot here: > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/792850 I think it's because you use startx. LXDM do some black magic to enable features that startx probably doesn't (consolkit here). I suspect it's because you don't have some commands. Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] The need to improve Lubuntu bug filing
Thanks for responding Julien. I hadn't seen the release announcement (didn't know there was one) because I subscribed to the mailing list after that. I have now however found it in the archives, and I posted the text at the forums to hopefully prevent a flood of questions or bug reports. Regarding the lacking restart or shutdown buttons I posted a screenshot here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/792850 Note that I could only start the DE by typing "startx". I'm not sure I know how to restart lxdm. I tried "sudo service lxdm start" and that failed, but I'm used to Gnome so I will have a learning curve to tackle with Lubuntu ;^) Regardless don't worry much about these particular bugs. I was just trying to prepare for changing the lion's share of my iso-testing to Lubuntu once it's added to the list. I should be able to repeat tests to see if bugs exist in both Ubuntu and Lubuntu. Regarding my original point, when I look here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReportingBugs I still wonder if the package 'lubuntu-desktop' shouldn't be included as an option so people can file a bug against Lubuntu when they're otherwise unsure what specific package is involved? I'll do everything in my power to help the project. IMHO Lubuntu is just great, besides being lightweight it could be a great "bridge" for those who don't quite love Unity and/or gnome3. I find the DE very easy to adapt to having used gnome2 since Gutsy. --- On Sun, 6/5/11, Julien Lavergne wrote: From: Julien Lavergne Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] The need to improve Lubuntu bug filing To: "Lance" Cc: "lubuntu-desktop" Date: Sunday, June 5, 2011, 7:48 AM Hi, Thanks for your help. However, as I said in Alpha 1 announcement, bugs on the ISO will probably be invalid when we will switch to the official ISO building infrastructure. Le Friday 03 June 2011 à 10:47 -0700, Lance a écrit : > 1) The Lubuntu Alpha1 Live CD boots to a tty, so you have to type > startx to get the DE. I saw it sometimes, restarting lxdm or just waiting "fix" the problem. > 2) The default DE lacks restart or shutdown buttons. Screenshot needed :) > 3) Upon completing the installation I was asked whether to restart or > keep using the Live DE as usual. I chose to restart and the CD ejected > as expected but the screen was just blank. So I removed the CD, closed > the tray and hit enter, but nothing happened. I tried some common key > combos but finally had to use the reset button on my box to complete > the restart. Never see it, but pressing reboot button should not hurt too much :) Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] The need to improve Lubuntu bug filing
The forum thing was actually an afterthought, and perhaps a poor one. My original intention was to explore the proper manner of filing bugs against Lubuntu when it's known that the same bugs don't exist in Ubuntu or another variant. In this case the actual apps effected were probably casper and ubiquity, but I knew the same issues weren't present in Ubuntu. I know sometimes, if in doubt, filing against a meta-package will draw the needed attention and get a bug properly reassigned. --- On Sat, 6/4/11, matthew byers wrote: From: matthew byers Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] The need to improve Lubuntu bug filing To: "Lance" Cc: "Chris" , "Phill Whiteside" , "lubuntu-desktop" Date: Saturday, June 4, 2011, 3:15 PM Per the post on the foums that i just read is all this questioning the need of a official forum for lubuntu? On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Lance wrote: I may have done a bit of a bad job explaining myself. I'm not too concerned ATM about the bugs I encountered, I'm just testing the waters in order to be as useful to the Lubuntu project as possible. Since time is limited please look at my "test" bug report and also this forum thread (no need to comment at the forums): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/792850 http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10901610&postcount=10 I did have one other thought however. Do you suppose the Ubuntu Forum mods might grant us permission to start a sub-forum here: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=46 All thoughts are welcome. My ideas may stink and I don't mind being told so. --- On Fri, 6/3/11, Chris wrote: From: Chris Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] The need to improve Lubuntu bug filing To: "Phill Whiteside" Cc: "Lance" , "lubuntu-desktop" Date: Friday, June 3, 2011, 8:38 PM Hello Lance, I haven't run oneiric yet, but I think the missing of shutdown/restart buttons is due to not having GTK3 icons for that. We're hard at work in creating the new themes for oneiric, which should be GTK3 ready. And just pressing enter/return didn't do the trick on getting along with the installer (bug 3)? Welcome to the crew by the way. With metta, Chris Druif On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 00:22, Phill Whiteside wrote: hiyas kansasnoob, firstly, great to see you - I don't get onto the forum areas as much as I used to (or should do). The A1 is still built the 'old way' and is, afaik, just a toe stretching session for the new kernel to be included. There has been some work the apps done, along with deciding which applications we include by default. Pcman has a new pcmanfm out in the wild for us to break. Hooks for apport are on the TODO list and are being added, but the 1,000 dedicated developers we have . err, well, I may have over estimated by 998 are awaiting getting their teeth into the 'official' iso building system. This should be done for a2. The general page for 11.10 is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers Progress on the apport hooks can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/TODO If you, or any of the testers on the main area would like to keep abreast of what Lubuntu is up to, please doe feel free to add the mailing list to your cluttered boxes (We don't send that many out!) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved has the one click link to get the lubuntu discussions. Please give my regards to Ranch Hand, I must pop on and find out what better name he has for 11.10 - I will make a point of letting the testing area know when A2 comes out, but the a1 had little in the way of changes. Apart from anything else, it will be nice to 'touch base' with all you great people again. For A2, I will try to get a set of notes together so you good people know where Lubuntu is headed for 11.10, as it is the precursor for 12.04 (LTS) we need to get as many bugs ironed out as possible during the 11.10 cycle (errr, you may recall Grub2 coming out in 9.10 :P ). Lubuntu is also now popping it's toe into the water for accessibility, but realistically this is a couple of cycles away - we simply do not have enough devs. Accessibility could do themselves a favour, but we do have a meeting coming up under Jono Bacon to allow us to ask questions. It is times like this I miss Ranch Hand's 'say it as it is' attitude, although JM one of our devs is no shrinking violet. I'm sure he and Ranch Hand would get on great :P My kindest regards to you and the rest of the testers, Phill. P.S. - Now go and dig me up a spare developer or two :D @ Julien and JM - if there is any thing factually incorrect, please correct me. On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Lance wrote: First a brief intro. I'm Erick Brunzell at Launchpad, Lance at iso-te
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] The need to improve Lubuntu bug filing
I may have done a bit of a bad job explaining myself. I'm not too concerned ATM about the bugs I encountered, I'm just testing the waters in order to be as useful to the Lubuntu project as possible. Since time is limited please look at my "test" bug report and also this forum thread (no need to comment at the forums): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/792850 http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10901610&postcount=10 I did have one other thought however. Do you suppose the Ubuntu Forum mods might grant us permission to start a sub-forum here: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=46 All thoughts are welcome. My ideas may stink and I don't mind being told so. --- On Fri, 6/3/11, Chris wrote: From: Chris Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] The need to improve Lubuntu bug filing To: "Phill Whiteside" Cc: "Lance" , "lubuntu-desktop" Date: Friday, June 3, 2011, 8:38 PM Hello Lance, I haven't run oneiric yet, but I think the missing of shutdown/restart buttons is due to not having GTK3 icons for that. We're hard at work in creating the new themes for oneiric, which should be GTK3 ready. And just pressing enter/return didn't do the trick on getting along with the installer (bug 3)? Welcome to the crew by the way. With metta, Chris Druif On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 00:22, Phill Whiteside wrote: hiyas kansasnoob, firstly, great to see you - I don't get onto the forum areas as much as I used to (or should do). The A1 is still built the 'old way' and is, afaik, just a toe stretching session for the new kernel to be included. There has been some work the apps done, along with deciding which applications we include by default. Pcman has a new pcmanfm out in the wild for us to break. Hooks for apport are on the TODO list and are being added, but the 1,000 dedicated developers we have . err, well, I may have over estimated by 998 are awaiting getting their teeth into the 'official' iso building system. This should be done for a2. The general page for 11.10 is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers Progress on the apport hooks can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/TODO If you, or any of the testers on the main area would like to keep abreast of what Lubuntu is up to, please doe feel free to add the mailing list to your cluttered boxes (We don't send that many out!) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved has the one click link to get the lubuntu discussions. Please give my regards to Ranch Hand, I must pop on and find out what better name he has for 11.10 - I will make a point of letting the testing area know when A2 comes out, but the a1 had little in the way of changes. Apart from anything else, it will be nice to 'touch base' with all you great people again. For A2, I will try to get a set of notes together so you good people know where Lubuntu is headed for 11.10, as it is the precursor for 12.04 (LTS) we need to get as many bugs ironed out as possible during the 11.10 cycle (errr, you may recall Grub2 coming out in 9.10 :P ). Lubuntu is also now popping it's toe into the water for accessibility, but realistically this is a couple of cycles away - we simply do not have enough devs. Accessibility could do themselves a favour, but we do have a meeting coming up under Jono Bacon to allow us to ask questions. It is times like this I miss Ranch Hand's 'say it as it is' attitude, although JM one of our devs is no shrinking violet. I'm sure he and Ranch Hand would get on great :P My kindest regards to you and the rest of the testers, Phill. P.S. - Now go and dig me up a spare developer or two :D @ Julien and JM - if there is any thing factually incorrect, please correct me. On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Lance wrote: First a brief intro. I'm Erick Brunzell at Launchpad, Lance at iso-testing (in which I've participated for over 3 years), and "kansasnoob" at Ubuntu forums. I'm quite glad to see that Lubuntu will soon become an official member of the Ubuntu family. I particularly look forward to the day that Lubuntu's images are included in Ubuntu's iso-testing. Anyway I obtained the Lubuntu Oneiric Alpha1 image here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/ And naturally I encountered a few minor bugs. To expect any less this early in a dev cycle is insane, but I still felt they should be reported. The specific bugs are: 1) The Lubuntu Alpha1 Live CD boots to a tty, so you have to type startx to get the DE. 2) The default DE lacks restart or shutdown buttons. 3) Upon completing the installation I was asked whether to restart or keep using the Live DE as usual. I chose to restart and the CD ejected as expected but the screen was just blank. So I removed the CD, closed the tray and hit en
[Lubuntu-desktop] The need to improve Lubuntu bug filing
First a brief intro. I'm Erick Brunzell at Launchpad, Lance at iso-testing (in which I've participated for over 3 years), and "kansasnoob" at Ubuntu forums. I'm quite glad to see that Lubuntu will soon become an official member of the Ubuntu family. I particularly look forward to the day that Lubuntu's images are included in Ubuntu's iso-testing. Anyway I obtained the Lubuntu Oneiric Alpha1 image here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/ And naturally I encountered a few minor bugs. To expect any less this early in a dev cycle is insane, but I still felt they should be reported. The specific bugs are: 1) The Lubuntu Alpha1 Live CD boots to a tty, so you have to type startx to get the DE. 2) The default DE lacks restart or shutdown buttons. 3) Upon completing the installation I was asked whether to restart or keep using the Live DE as usual. I chose to restart and the CD ejected as expected but the screen was just blank. So I removed the CD, closed the tray and hit enter, but nothing happened. I tried some common key combos but finally had to use the reset button on my box to complete the restart. Of course none of these are serious or unexpected this early in a dev cycle, but I wanted to get my feet wet checking out bug filing against Lubuntu anyway, and I'm a bit puzzled. I'm used to iso-testing pure Ubuntu so all of the above bugs would be filed against 'casper' but I know these bugs were not present when I tested Ubuntu so I thought I should possibly file them against the meta-package 'lubuntu-desktop' but that's a no-go. I'm just wondering if the meta-package 'lubuntu-desktop' should be added to launchpad as a bug filing option? I'm very impressed with the Lubuntu project and I hope my iso-testing skills may be helpful at some point, but I have no development skills. I'm just a tester. Apologies in advance if I was wrong posting in this manner. Sincerely, Lance ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
