Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Audio players - some thoughts & RFC

[Mike Nokel]

My tests for alsaplayer:
1) Package: alsaplayer-gtk
Size: 573k
Dependencies: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.29.3), libc6 (>= 2.4), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4),
libfontconfig1 (>= 2.8.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1),
libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libgl1-mesa-glx | libgl1,
libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.16.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0),
libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1)
2) Package: alsaplayer-common
Size: 471K
Dependencies: libc6 (>= 2.7), libflac8 (>= 1.2.1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1),
libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libid3tag0 (>= 0.15.1b),
libmad0 (>= 0.15.1b-3), libmikmod2 (>= 3.1.10),
libogg0
(>= 1.0rc3), libsndfile1 (>= 1.0.20), libstdc++6 (>=
4.4.0), libvorbis0a (>= 1.1.2), libvorbisfile3 (>=
1.1.2), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), alsaplayer-alsa |
alsaplayer-output, alsaplayer-gtk |
alsaplayer-interface
3) Package: alsaplayer-alsa
Size: 90,1 K
Dependencies: libasound2 (> 1.0.22), libc6 (>= 2.4)

As for CPU and RAM (from HTOP)
1) CPU: 16%, RAM: 21 M (test machine is Asus EEE PC 1015 PN).

It is in repos.

Screenshot is in attachments.

2011/2/27 Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset 

> 2011/2/27 Yorvyk 
>
>> Basically this would involve everybody using the same music to carry out
>> the measurements and also reporting the hardware used.
>
>
> Couldn't be more agree with you: a standard test to make the decision would
> be perfect to take a decision (and for everything should be this way)
> Yorvyk, let me know if you need a hand since i'm very interested on this.
> The decision about the files to play will be a funny thing i guess :)
> Also, i think that a huge load of files (10.000+) it's an excessive task
> for the machines that Lubuntu is made for... but not something unfeasible
> :)
>
> So, first propositions:
> - Check App dependencies
> - Check Kb used by the packages
> - It must be in the repos
> - Results should be taken from HTOP
> - CPU + RAM must be verified before, during and after the test
> - Tests must be made with the same files: an assortment of extensions &
> bitrates
>
> This said, wich will be the version of Audacious in 11.04??
>
> --
> jpxsat
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Audio players

[Mike Nokel]

Hi!

I have just tested some audio players in my Lubuntu Maverick and I want to
share my experience with you. First of all, my testing machine was Asus EEE
PC 1015 pn. It has Atom N550 inside and 2 GB of memory.
Firstly, I have installed deadbeef. I don't know whether it is a bug or not
but after playing from one to three songs it stops playing at all. So this
player was removed.
Then I have read about audacious in this mail's list. I have installed it
and it looked very nice, but used ~28% of my CPU. This was too big for me,
so this player was also removed.
Then I have found decibel audio player. This one used ~18% of my CPU and had
very simple, but nice interface.
I have also tried pogo audio player. It used ~16% of my CPU.
So, now about two winners in this small compettion in my opinion. First of
them is pragha. It is very fast, has simple but nice interface, is coded in
C++ and uses ~14% of my CPU. And the second is alsaplayer. It has nice
interface, equalizer and some available plugins that can imitate winamp
style. It uses ~12% of my CPU. So I think that this is the best one for me.

P.S. All of these players use nearly the same amount of memory.
P.P.S. All digits were taken from htop utility.

Best regards,
Mike Nokel
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Memory leak in network-manager

[Mike Nokel]

Hi!

I have just updated my kernel with 2.6.37 version from Ubuntu Kernel PPA (
http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/). And after 10 hours of using
it I found that nm-applet was using near 300 Mb. There is confirmed
memory-leak in this package (
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/684599).
This bug is opened. So I removed network-manager and switched to wicd. Now I
have no such problem. So may be you should do the same in coming Lubuntu
Natty or not?

Best regards,
Mike Nokel
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Inclusion of guvciew

[Mike Nokel]

Hi!

I proposed to include guvcview near month ago. I have already tested it on
my asus m51tr, asus eee pc 1015 pn and hp 2133. It is working fine. No
problems at all.

Best regards,
Mike Nokel


2011/2/26 Julien Lavergne 

> Hi,
>
> With the removal of cheese, we have nothing to test a webcam, especially
> on the live-cd.
> Someone proposed to include guvcview. It seems to be a good choice :
> quite simple and not too much dependencies.
>
> Did someone already test it ? I don't have a webcam, I'll be glad if
> someone have feedbacks about it :)
>
> Thanks.
>
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] drop box

[Mike Nokel]

Hi all!

I have been using dropbox for a long time with LXDE, there is no problems at
all. Go to http://wiki.dropbox.com/TipsAndTricks/TextBasedLinuxInstall.
There are instructions to run dropbox as CLI script. So 3 steps:
1) download x86 vesrion
2) unpack it and move to your ~ directory
3) create in .config/autostart/ some file, for example dropbox.desktop and
place there:
[Desktop Entry]
Type=Application
Exec=.dropbox-dist/dropboxd

save it and here you are.

On every start of your system you will get dropbox autostarted. Place
something in your selected on the first run Dropbox folder and it will be
automatically synchronized.

Best wishes.

2010/12/26 Phill Whiteside 

> Hiyas developers,
>
> firstly I hope you have had a restful Christmas. This is only on the 'wish
> list', but is it possible?
>
> (21:11:01) ChrisDruif: Is there a way for dropbox to work with lubuntu?
> Those other programs should work on LXDE...however, dropbox only works with
> nautilus...and through a script on thunar
>
> Hiyas Lubunteers,
>
> Thanks, and my kindest regards to you and your families over the festive
> period. I look forward to the New Year and watching Lubuntu evolve and
> finally get its rightful place as a fully adopted member of the ubuntu
> family. My warmest regards and thanks to every Lubuntuteer and those from
> other teams that are kind enough to help out as I 'kidnap' our lubunteers to
> help other other teams. Being a part of the family is what matters.
>
> http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/12/06/why-it-matters/
>
> Regards,
>
> Phill.
>
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Applications by default : remove Cheese

[Mike Nokel]

How about including guvcview: http://guvcview.berlios.de/?



2010/11/22 Ezra Morrison :
> On 11/22/2010 11:00 AM, david wrote:
>>
>>  I agree it should be removed due to the Clutter requirement. How
>> important is pre-installed webcam software? Is an alternative needed or
>> would the next version not come with webcam software?
>>
>> -djs
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> this is my first post on this list :D
>
> On the topic of Cheese, even though my computer has a web cam, i never seem
> to do anything with it except for video chatting. And don't forget that some
> don't even have web cams. It's not really that important imo; if someone
> wants it, they can just install it.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] 10.10 Beta1 2 Bugs: Remasterys & Network Manager

[Mike Nokel]

2010/9/8 Leszek Lesner 

> Am 08.09.2010 16:02, schrieb Pierre Yahoo:
> > Julien & Others,
> >
> > I was very impressed with Lubuntu Lucid... very stable & opened
> > everything I threw at it.
> >
> > 10.10 Beta1:
> > Installing Remastersys failed (latest sourceforge version
> > 2.0.17-1.deb).  GDebi error: ... did not recognize flags.
> See the GDebi Thread. Its a known bug in GDebi use sudo dpkg -i
>  to install it.
> >
> > Lucid & Maverick Network Manager
> > Network Manager (perhaps Applet in LXPanel)
> > The only instability issue I had in Lucid (will probably be the same
> > in Maverick) is the Network Manager.  It failed to connect to the
> > Internet (wired) on a number of occasions.
> If network-manager seems to fail you can always try to ditch it and
> manually configure network.
> >
> > Tried to reinstall and various other things without success.  Now, I
> > have no access to Edit and VPN Connection windows (clicking on the
> > options does not open the window)... i.e. cannot change anything or
> > redo the connection if it fails.
> >
> > It is a MAJOR PROBLEM as a computer without network access is useless.
> >
> > Was not able to reinstall... not sure what to reinstall exactly... or
> > got message that program was being used.  It is probably a simple fix
> > but if you do not know it, you have to reinstall everything.
> >
> > What and how do I reinstall it exactly (including how and which
> > 'program in used' to terminate) to fix this problem?
> > Could not seem to find the correct answer in forums.
> network-manager-gnome is the package that needs to be reinstalled. If it
> isn't working try searching the Ubuntu Bug Tracker for the error that
> matches your experience. If you don't find any please report it as a new
> bug.
> >
> > Thanks.  Great Work!
>
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I had the same problem on two computers. I installed Maverick (cli) and then
installed lubuntu-core and network-manager-gnome. Network manager told me
that wired interface wasn't managed. So I just removed it and installed
wicd. Everything is working perfectly now. May be try this. Hope, helps.

Best wishes,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] great lubuntu with problem

[Mike Nokel]

I think that is good idea to subscribe to ubuntu geek. Here are 2 articles
about problems with nvidia cards on ubuntu 10.04. Check them:
http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-install-nvidia-drivers-manually-on-ubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx.html
 and
http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-fix-ubuntu-10-04-lts-lucid-blank-screen-at-startup.html.
They were very useful for me cause I had GT 240 card and this helped me.
Hope, it will help you too.

Regards, Mike.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Inclusion in 10.10 [Disk Mounting]

[Mike Nokel]

2010/5/17 Phillip Whiteside 

> Hi,
>
> It has been asked on IRC if it is possible to automount devices on startup.
> I could only advise manually editing the fstab. Having had a further dig,
> pysadm does not bring any dependencies onto my system (I'm guessing they're
> already there because of Pyneighborhood). As it is only going to use up a
> little disk space and I would not think more resources to run than something
> like Pyneighborood do you think it is an included candidate, or should it be
> just noted that a user requiring such functionality can install it via
> Synaptics.
>
> Regards,
>
> Phill.
>
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> Hi!
I have installed ntfs-config. And after selecting "auto-configure" there now
I have all my ntfs-devices mounted automatically during the startup. Hope,
it helps.

Regards, Michael.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Replacing Aqualung with Exaile [DISCUSSION]

[Mike Nokel]

2010/5/15 PCMan 

> I encourage every Lubuntu and LXDE users to try DeadBeef, an almost
> perfect lightweight yet feature-rich music player.
> The author provided deb packages already. The latest release is quite
> awesome.
> http://deadbeef.sourceforge.net/
> The UI is very similar to that of LXMusic, but it's much more functional.
> Please try it and share your opinions.
> This is my favorite so far.
>
> On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 2:26 AM, Sylkis  wrote:
> > hi
> > in my personal opinion exaile is worthless. I had only problems with
> > it, user-unfriendly interface, trying to be amarok-like libary with
> > addition of player. both aqualung and rythmbox are much better choice.
> > rhythmbox has bizzare interface that you have to learn how to use, but
> > it is possible to do that (unlike with exaile, wich seems very similar
> > to players like amarok so ypu think theres nothing to learn, but then
> > it suprises you with its options and features hidden so much that you
> > can't configure it at all and in the end it unusable and impossible to
> > learn it without help on forums! and we want lubuntu to be easy for
> > everyone, right?), and aqualung is pure spartan simplicity, yet
> > powerfullness, like foobar on windows, with wich you have to really
> > try to mess something up to have it not working.
> > so I'd stick to aqualung.
> > cheers
> >
> > 2010/5/15 Glenn :
> >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> >> Hash: SHA1
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I am sending this mail because of the advise Julien Lavergne gave me in
> >> our big ¨Lubuntu application discussion for maverick¨ discussion. :P
> >>
> >> This mail is about discussing Aqualung replacing with Exaile.
> >> Exaile is a bit like a lightweight rhythmbox, it loads quickly and
> >> supports a lot of music files. Through Synaptic you can even install a
> >> plugin for Ipod support, and you can also install a plugin for pidgin so
> >> pidgin can display the music song you are listening with Exaile.
> >> Exaile uses about 18,8 mb of memory on idle, and Aqualung uses 9.9 mb of
> >> memory on idle (LXmusic 2.7 mb :P )
> >> Exaile has many advantages, it is not gray and not odd looking like
> >> Aqualung (which looks weird in every Desktop Enviroment) less
> >> dependencies, more support because of a bigger project. (e.g Exaile has
> >> a good launchpad page with bug reporting and translating all open to
> >> everyone, Aqualung hasn´t got a launchpad page.)
> >> Is the 9 mb difference in memory consumption acceptable in Lubuntu? Or a
> >> slightly different question, is it worth the sacrifice? (Atleast I think
> >> it definetly is, but what about you guys?)
> >>
> >> - -Glenn
> >>
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Thank you, PCMan. I have tried it - it has very simple user-frinedly
interface, uses about 9 mb of memory. So, it is my choice for audio player
now.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] main ubuntu forum

[Mike Nokel]

>
> +1 for 'Lubuntu tag'.
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Slypheed

[Mike Nokel]

2010/4/21 Goh Lip 

>
> This is also my first time using slypheed, noticed 2 areas that could
> improve.
> o  The reply to mailing list sends to sender instead. (have to resend my 2
> previous messages).
> o  When typing address, slypheed does not auto-fill; (nice feature to have,
> otherwise may type address wrongly).
>
> Hope this input helps, (I am not complaining :)  )
>
> Regards - Goh Lip
>

Instead of typing here about sylpheed you may see TODO-list designed for its
developers: http://sylpheed.sraoss.jp/en/todo.html
There are a lot of more features to improve/add than you specified. It is
not a problem of lubuntu team, by the way.

Regards,
Michael
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Beta 2 "Auto-login"

[Mike Nokel]

2010/4/11 Julien Lavergne 

> Hi,
>
> The Lubuntu Lucid Beta 2 is now available. Don't forget that it's build
> with Ubuntu Lucid (10.04) which is still in Beta state of development,
> so same warnings :
>
> "Pre-releases of Lucid are *not* encouraged for anyone needing a stable
> system or anyone who is not comfortable running into occasional, even
> frequent breakage.  They are, however, recommended for Ubuntu developers
> and those who want to help in testing, reporting, and fixing bugs."
>
> We passed Feature Freeze, that mean most of the features should now be
> available. It's now time for testing and fixing bugs.
>
> == New stuff since Beta 1 ==
> * Auto-login at install time
> * Support encrypted home directory
> * Up-to-date lxdm, libfm and pcmanfm2
>
> == Specific Lubuntu changes ==
> Lubuntu still contains modifications not available in the official
> repository, you can see them in the Lubuntu PPA [1] :
> - New pcmanfm2 and libfm (LP: #523433)
> - lubuntu-default-settings with pcmanfm2 support
> - Fix for blurry shutdown-icon from elementary-icons (LP: #527345)
> - Autologin support in ubiquity (LP: #546445)
> - New lxdm
>
> == Testing needed ==
> I'll appreciate some feedbacks about the followings recent additions :
> - pcmanfm2, the new filemanager, is still in beta state. Please report
> bugs on
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam/pcmanfm2Testing
> - The new lxdm may fixed some issue regarding the keyring and PAM
> support, but it needs more tests.
>
> == Known bugs ==
> * If you test on a USB, the first screen will freeze for a moment when
> you click on "Try Lubuntu ...". Just wait, it will continue as normal.
> * See also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam
>
> == Reporting bugs ==
> Bug reported during testing :
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam
>
> If you want to create a bootable usb system, please use the usb creator
> directly on Ubuntu.
>
> Please follow the testing process described on this page :
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam . You can also
> report problems and bugs relative to the tests on this page.
>
> Torrent: http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-lucid-beta2.iso.torrent
> Download: http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-lucid-beta2.iso
> Md5: http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/md5sum.txt
>
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
>
> [1] :  https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppa
>
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Excellent! I have booted up from livecd. You have fixed many bugs from the
previous beta and now almost everything is looking very exciting) However, I
have found 2 problems with pcmanfm:
1) when trying to access network in pcmanfm, I can see labels of my
computers in my network, but I can't access them.
2) when trying to run pcmanfm via sudo command, it crashes with segmentation
fault (core dumped).

As soon as I can find some free time, I will try to do fresh install and
will send you some more feedbacks.

Regards,
Michael
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] fskbsetting for Lucid Lynx - no segfaults

[Mike Nokel]

10/3/24 Yaroslav 

> Hello all.
>
> I found newest version of fskbsetting - simple GUI tool for managing
> keyboard layouts.
>
> http://forum.runtu.org/index.php?topic=5579.0;all
> Version 0.3 works fine with Lucid distributives, it is very usefull for
> bilingual fellows, who
> use non-latinic layouts.
>
> By the way, also I use gxneur - automatic layout switcher, analog for punto
> switcher in MS
> Windows. It is also convient and customizable tool.
>
>
> Best regards, Yaroslav.
>

I confirm it. Now fskbsetting is working nice in Ubuntu 10.04
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Beta 1 "Logo"

[Mike Nokel]

So, I have tried livecd. There is huge improvement since last alpha. Thank
you. But I have noticed following bugs:
1) when I launch screensaver (from parameters) I see again  annoying error
telling me that there is no directory /usr/share/backgrounds. May be create
this directory by default?
2) I have noticed one way to crash pcmanfm2. I have gone to "Go->Network"
and after it showed me my network, I have pressed it. And pcmanfm2 crashes.
3) Also there is no terminal emulator by default (that is specified in
preferences). May be it should be?
4) When I marked to show WM menu (going to parameters of my desktop) it was
very difficult for me to return to parameters of my desktop. After few
minutes of trying to find the solution, I go to terminal and type "pcmanfm2
--desktop-pref" and it appears. May be this window should be able to appear
under "Desktop Settings" in WM menu?

In the near future as soon as I find some free time I will do fresh install
on my computer and tell you about my experiences.

Regards,
Michael
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Beta 1 "Logo"

[Mike Nokel]

2010/3/19 Julien Lavergne 

> Hi,
>
> The Lubuntu Lucid Beta 1 is now available. Don't forget that it's build
> with Ubuntu Lucid (10.04) which is still in Beta state of development,
> so same warnings :
>
> "Pre-releases of Lucid are *not* encouraged for anyone needing a stable
> system or anyone who is not comfortable running into occasional, even
> frequent breakage.  They are, however, recommended for Ubuntu developers
> and those who want to help in testing, reporting, and fixing bugs."
>
> We passed Feature Freeze, that mean most of the features should now be
> available. It's now time for testing and fixing bugs.
>
> == New stuff since Alpha 3 ==
> * New logo made by Rafael Laguna.
> * Addition to the seed
> - gnome-disk-utility
> - simple-scan
>
> == Specific Lubuntu changes ==
> Lubuntu still contains modifications not available in the official
> repository, you can see them in the Lubuntu PPA [1] :
> - New pcmanfm2 and libfm (LP: #523433)
> - lubuntu-default-settings with pcmanfm2 support
> - lubuntu-artwork with new logo
> - lubuntu-meta updated
> - lxsession 0.4.3 (LP: #541559)
> - lxterminal 0.1.7 (LP: #533466)
> - Autostart gnome-authentification (for polkit support) (LP: #529492)
> - Fix for blurry shutdown-icon from elementary-icons (LP: #527345)
> - Don't autostart print applet (LP: #529472)
>
> == Testing needed ==
> I'll appreciate some feedbacks about the followings recent additions :
> - pcmanfm2, the new filemanager, is still in beta state. Please report
> bugs on
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam/pcmanfm2Testing
> - lxterminal (new version available)
> - Logout command (hibernate, suspend, logout etc ...)
>
> == Known bugs ==
> * If you test on a USB, the first screen will freeze for a moment when
> you click on "Try Lubuntu ...". Just wait, it will continue as normal.
> * See also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam
>
> == Reporting bugs ==
> Bug reported during testing :
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam
>
> If you want to create a bootable usb system, please use the usb creator
> directly on Ubuntu.
>
> Please follow the testing process described on this page :
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam . You can also
> report problems and bugs relative to the tests on this page.
>
> Torrent: 
> http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-lucid-beta1.iso.torrent
> Download: 
> http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-lucid-beta1.iso
>
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
>
> [1] :  
> https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppa
>
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Good news! Downloading and testing!
I will send you some feedbacks later.

Regards,
Michael
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] _P於 lxdm _F_r

[Mike Nokel]

2010/3/10 Leszek Lesner 

> Shouldn't a PATH= entry in /etc/profile solve this issue ? We could also
> make it Lubuntu specific by putting it in /etc/skel/.profile
>
> It doesn't work with current version of lxdm now (I mean placing PATH entry
in /etc/profile). But how is it solved in gdm (or slim) I don't know.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] External display does't work on notebook Acer TM 2200

[Mike Nokel]

2010/2/27 Denis I. 

> Hi everyone,
>
> I tried to run alpha3 on my notebook and found that external display Acer
> AL1916 not working after booting OS.
> Internal display is broken and I can use vga output only.
> I tried two ways loading:
>
> 1) Default.
> Display was disabled after boot menu.
> I could't see boot process and loaded OS.
>
> 2) "Safe graphics mode".
> I saw boot process but after booting display throw message "Input Not
> Supported".
>
> Acer AL1916 contain x1250 ATI graphics chipset.
>
> --
> With best wishes.
>
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> This is a problem of your videocard. Suggestions: 1) install ati-driver
(however, it doesn't work for me - ATI Radeon hd 4670) 2) open
/etc/X11/xorg.conf and edit it: change Option "ActiveDevice" to "LCD,CRT"
(you can do it from recovery mode typing "nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf").
It is not a bug of Lubuntu. Currently, it is a bug of Lucid and will be
solved in the future.

Best wishes,
Michael.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Games

[Mike Nokel]

2010/2/26 Jo Gerb 

> Hey team,
>
> We should think about the games in Lubuntu. I think that with a little
> cards-game (like solitaire) and a reaction-game (like snake) most of our
> users would be happy. Maybe we also could add a little puzzle-game and
> something like Space Invaders, but we have to remember that there's not that
> much free space left. We now have to choose some good games with no or just
> some dependencies that run fast on old hardware. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Best regards, Jo.
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>
Mmm... What about pysol (http://www.pysol.org/ - it is available in the
jaunty repositories however only. It doesn;t have much dependencies and is
written in python), gtkballs (http://gtkballs.antex.ru/#about - it is
available in the lucid repositories and doesn't have any dependencies except
gtk)?
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New testing ISO 20100215

[Mike Nokel]

>
> Hello, everyone.


I have been testing this iso for a week now. I have added Julien Lavergne's
PPA. Everything is working good enough, except 4 things:
1) pcmanfm2. It crashes almost everytime I've opened it. No auto-mount at
all and even no mount. I can't mount any USB-drive at all. May be someone
can help me?
When I create symlinks to the Desktop, they don't work.
2) unreadahead gives me a lot of errors during startup.
3) fskbsetting after installation (I think it should be included by default)
gives me segmentation fault and won't work. So I can't switch from US to any
other language using lxpanel-plugin.
4) already reported bug with gnome-power-manager.

And it uses just 90 mb out of 2Gb memory. It looks very perfect.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] colours

[Mike Nokel]

Hi, I also suggests to use green theme + Onyx - I think it looks perfectly.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New testing ISO 20100215

[Mike Nokel]

2010/2/17 Sylkis 

> 1) a lot of people hide it away, or even disable, when using windows,
> as most people dont need it and it causes problems, when the lng gets
> switched (in poland it used to be very common quite a few years ago,
> that Y and Z were switching because of some key shortcut that was
> unnknown to most users) - i think that feature is good only for truly
> biligual people (like people living in foreign country), and there are
> relatively few of them
> 2) stationary PC's don't have batteries, and this is supposed to be
> for old computers in the first place, not netbooks...
>
> 12) the games issue has been started today in another thread :)
>

1) ok. It was only my opinion.
2) I understand. May be then remove it from panel? Empty space isn't good
idea, I think.
12) Oh, I see. Thank you.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New testing ISO 20100215

[Mike Nokel]

>
> Hi.

I have found some time to install it on my computer. In general, everything
looks and works perfectly. However, there are some problems:
1) by default, there is no keyboard layout controller on the panel. I think,
that it should be there. A lot of people uses it in everyday's life.
2) as for battery monitor on the panel: it should be visible by default.
This empty space looks really strange.
3) there is still pcmanfm 0.5.2, not pcmanfm2(
4) you have included "osmo" as a default program. My friends and me haven't
heard about this program before. And in everyday life may be it is not so
necessary to be included, I think.
5) without installing packages "xscreensaver-gl", "xscreensaver-gl-extra",
"xscreensaver-data-extra" I see a lot of error messages telling me that
there is no directory "/usr/share/backgrounds". It is annoying.
6) when I launch lxterminal, appeared the window without any string like
this: "ubu...@ubuntu:~/". But when you hit any key on the keyboard it
appears unexpectably.
7) some buttons such as "OK", "Cancel" just don't work (only hitting "Close
Window" helped me to close the windows). It is so when you are configuring
panel for example.
8) you have used LXDM as a login manager. It is perfect, but it has serious
problems:
 - when I enable autologin on it, I just can't switch my keyboard layout
by hitting on the applet on the panel. Only typing "sudo lxpanelctl restart"
helped me.
 - there is no gui-program to configure LXDM yet. For a lot of people it
will be hard to understand what do if they want enable "autologin" or so on.
 - using LXDM I can't modify PATH variable (even modifying file
/etc/profile), so I can't play any games using menu (Menu->Games->...). It
won't work.
9) sound card by default doesn't work. So, I have gone to alsa-project.org,
downloaded the latest driver, lib and utils, installed it. Run "sudo
alsaconf" and after reboot I heart the sound.
10) I've got ati radeon 4670 video, but when I tried to install
"xorg-driver-fglrx", it tells me that he wants to remove xorg with all its
dependencies. Strange behaviour. So, I have only poor 3D now(
11) I've tried to install fskbsetting. But when launching it gives me
"segmentation fault". I don't know why.
12) May be there should be some games, at least some gnome-games?

So, this is my first experience.

Regards,
Michael.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New testing ISO 20100215

[Mike Nokel]

Hi!
It's great! Nice artwork! Respect for including such applications as
"hardware drivers", "printing", "languages" by default. It now looks very
user-friendly.
However, there are some minor problems:
1) a lot of errors when changing screensavers. It can be solved by creating
directory /usr/share/backgrounds by default.
2) as was discussed earlier when clicking "Desktop Session Settings" the tab
"Desktop" should be opened, not "Interface".
3) why have you choosen "xfburn" to include? I think that the most popular
area for installing LXDE (and of course Lubuntu) are netbooks and they just
don't have any CD/DVD-ROMs... In my opinion, it is unnecessary.

I have tested on my netbook HP 1233 - everything is working perfectly, and
using by default 110 Mb out of 1Gb is impressive (with Ubuntu 9.10 mini.iso
+ LXDE it uses after startup nearly 155 Mb). However, if there is xsplash I
haven't seen it, may be because of my videocard (Via Chrome9), I don't know.

I have also tried to run livecd on my notebook Asus M51TR. However, all that
I have seen was Lubuntu logo for approximately 1 minute after what there
came a kernel panic. I'll try to find solution but exactly now I don't know
why it is happening so.

In conclusion, I would like to say that it looks perfect and amazing. Thank
you!

Regards,
Michael.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Last changes to applications installed by default

[Mike Nokel]

2010/2/14 Julien Lavergne 

> Hi,
>
> First, I would like to thanks all people for their feedbacks.
> Also, I know people will be disagree about some choices, but we can't
> make all people agreed :) Remember that the goal is to provide a
> distribution ready to use, especially designed for low ressource
> hardware.
> This list can evolve before the final release, but I would like to not
> change it too much, so we can focus on bug fix and integration.
> So, this is the last changes proposal :
>
> === chromium for the browser ===
> Well, it's not because Chromium is the best, it's more because the
> others options is not really suitable, for different reasons :
> - Firefox have serious performance problem on limited hardware.
> - Midori have limited features, limited upstream ressources (compare to
> others), with not significant ressources gain.
>
> === gnome-mplayer for videos ===
> There is no reason to keep smplayer which bring extra depends on QT,
> when gnome-mplayer have the same functionalities.
>
> === network-manager instead of wicd ===
> This was not planned at the first time, but there are the reasons : new
> version of wicd (1.7.0) use 2 instances, and this double the among of
> memory it used. Also, there is some reports that wireless is not
> supported in some cases.
> Network-manager is not perfect, but the support is quite good, and we
> can share the maintenance with other teams. Also, memory usage is not
> that bad, but it's definitely better than wicd.
>
> === Using pcmanfm2 instead of old pcmanfm ===
> Lubuntu Lucid will be the first real release for Lubuntu. It's not the
> end, but I hope the beginning for it. It makes more sense to use
> directly the futur pcmanfm, than working on the old one which will be
> deprecated very soon.
>
> For others part, no change. It's mean, keeping Aqualung for music player
> and Sylpheed for e-mail. There was arguments for and against Sylpheed,
> some preferred Claw-Mails. But there is no big arguments for a switch,
> as the memory and CPU usage are the same, and main functionalities are
> in both clients.
>
> I'll made the changes to the Lubuntu packages and release a testing ISO
> tomorrow or Monday. We will have a complete week to test it, until the
> IRC meeting next Sunday, and do adjustments if it's needed.
>
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
>
>
Good news! Ready to test new alpha.
But however, I have tested using wicd 1.7.0 - on the 3 out of 4 computers it
works perfectly, and only on my notebook it needs manual configuration. Then
I installed network-manager and everything is now working automatically, but
the use of memory increase from 180 Mb to 200 Mb by default (I've got 3 Gb
memory on my notebook so it doesn't matter for me)... So I don't know
whether network-manager is a good choice on the low-end machines. But we
will see on the coming alpha 3. For the other choices I agree.

Regards,
Michael Nokel
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