Re: [lubuntu-users] The ending of various technological "waves"

[Aere Greenway]

On 6/3/19 11:21 AM, Fritz Hudnut wrote:




That could very well happen.

But of course, those perfectly-useful machines could eventually
die a 'natural computer death', as well, rather than being junked
because there is no modern OS to run on them.

So far though, they are working well, and going strong,
accomplishing useful tasks for me.

It may surprise a lot of people to hear that the slower machines
are actually more valuable to me, because they allow me to test if
my software really does work on 'older, slower machines', as I
claim on my website.

Strangely, my 32-bit MacBook seems to have a better display than
my later 64-bit MacBook.  And with Linux, it makes a perfectly
good musical instrument for performances.

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@Aere:

Possibly the 32-bit MacBook might have an Nvidia graphics card, which 
generally seems to bring a crisper display than the Radeon options . . 
. .  Apple seems to "mix n match" the hardware in different platforms, 
so to make it seem competitive with PC choices?


And, right, "the wish for a natural death" scenario, rather than 
"induced death due to lack of support" . . . I've tried to keep my old 
PPC machines going, unnaturally adding parts to revive them from 
zombie state . . . but, the pull of the technological wave seems to 
keep sending them back . . . and then the new parts don't have the 
right connectors . . . making it difficult to sustain "life" . . . .


It's somewhat like "newer, fresher horsies" are the "better" choice in 
the cost/benefit ratio of time management theory . . . ??


F


There's something people planning future support of Linux systems, 
thinking machines will have hardware failures, and no longer be in-use, 
need to consider.


Wear-and-tear for computers used all the time, differs from computers 
used only occasionally.  Machines of the latter variety, tend to last a 
lot longer than those used all the time, at least, in my experience that 
seems to be the case.


That's probably why my older machines are still going strong.

- Aere

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Re: [lubuntu-users] The ending of various technological "waves"

[Fritz Hudnut]

That could very well happen.
>
> But of course, those perfectly-useful machines could eventually die a
> 'natural computer death', as well, rather than being junked because there
> is no modern OS to run on them.
>
> So far though, they are working well, and going strong, accomplishing
> useful tasks for me.
>
> It may surprise a lot of people to hear that the slower machines are
> actually more valuable to me, because they allow me to test if my software
> really does work on 'older, slower machines', as I claim on my website.
>
> Strangely, my 32-bit MacBook seems to have a better display than my later
> 64-bit MacBook.  And with Linux, it makes a perfectly good musical
> instrument for performances.
>
> --
> Sincerely,
> Aere
>
>
@Aere:

Possibly the 32-bit MacBook might have an Nvidia graphics card, which
generally seems to bring a crisper display than the Radeon options . . . .
Apple seems to "mix n match" the hardware in different platforms, so to
make it seem competitive with PC choices?

And, right, "the wish for a natural death" scenario, rather than "induced
death due to lack of support" . . . I've tried to keep my old PPC machines
going, unnaturally adding parts to revive them from zombie state . . . but,
the pull of the technological wave seems to keep sending them back . . .
and then the new parts don't have the right connectors . . . making it
difficult to sustain "life" . . . .

It's somewhat like "newer, fresher horsies" are the "better" choice in the
cost/benefit ratio of time management theory . . . ??

F
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Re: [lubuntu-users] The ending of various technological "waves"

[Walter Lapchynski]

On 2019-06-03 15:19, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> At best a teenager remembers to have
> heard one of the most sold Beatles songs, if a grandpa ever put a
> best of the Beatles record on.

Not to mess with you Ralf, but my daughter, a teenager, absolutely loves
the Beatles and I'm primarily the person that introduced her to them.
And I'm not even a grandpa. 

Put another way, I think your analogies will break down really quickly
when you talk about art, which always seems to come back after being
abandoned by earlier generations. There's still relevance.

Technology, on the other hand, rarely has relevance to future
generations, unless they're trying to rehash the experience of earlier
ones. Case in point: Kon-tiki.
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Re: [lubuntu-users] The ending of various technological "waves"

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 17:19:50 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 07:57:16 -0700, Fritz Hudnut wrote:  
>>Still, likely at some point Debian will do with 32 bit
>>what it did with PPC??? Hard to say for sure . . . .
>
>It is not hard to say.
>https://www.dodo.com/sites/dodo/files/2018-08/Dodo_14b_Home_LRG_1014x1049_3.png
>
>Immortality does not exist.
>
>How many primary school children do you know, that remember listening
>to a recording from Jimi Hendrix? At best a teenager remembers to have
>heard one of the most sold Beatles songs, if a grandpa ever put a
>best of the Beatles record on.

PS:

I'm a guitarist and the last job I did wasn't playing electric guitar,
but in 2018 I worked as a primary-school pupil tamer half of the day
and the other half of the day, I tried to keep primary-school pupil and
teens in check. "Pluto" was a planet, but it isn't anymore ;D.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] The ending of various technological "waves"

[Aere Greenway]

On 6/3/19 8:57 AM, Fritz Hudnut wrote:

Hi,

On Sun, 2 Jun 2019 at 01:28, Aere Greenway >

wrote:
> Thanks for the information.  I will do that if 32-bit is still not
> available in Lubuntu 20.04.
>
Debian is my plan B for my 32-bit netbook :)
BW,

Ian

@Aere && Ian:

I have a "Siduction" install in one of my linux partitions, which is a 
"sid" based system stacked on Debian 10, not a bad system but the GUI 
isn't as worked out as the Lu 19 GUI, and I think it is 64 bit . . . 
.  Still, likely at some point Debian will do with 32 bit what it did 
with PPC???  Hard to say for sure . . . .


F


That could very well happen.

But of course, those perfectly-useful machines could eventually die a 
'natural computer death', as well, rather than being junked because 
there is no modern OS to run on them.


So far though, they are working well, and going strong, accomplishing 
useful tasks for me.


It may surprise a lot of people to hear that the slower machines are 
actually more valuable to me, because they allow me to test if my 
software really does work on 'older, slower machines', as I claim on my 
website.


Strangely, my 32-bit MacBook seems to have a better display than my 
later 64-bit MacBook.  And with Linux, it makes a perfectly good musical 
instrument for performances.


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Re: [lubuntu-users] The ending of various technological "waves"

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 07:57:16 -0700, Fritz Hudnut wrote:
>Still, likely at some point Debian will do with 32 bit
>what it did with PPC??? Hard to say for sure . . . .

It is not hard to say.
https://www.dodo.com/sites/dodo/files/2018-08/Dodo_14b_Home_LRG_1014x1049_3.png

Immortality does not exist.

How many primary school children do you know, that remember listening
to a recording from Jimi Hendrix? At best a teenager remembers to have
heard one of the most sold Beatles songs, if a grandpa ever put a
best of the Beatles record on.

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Re: [lubuntu-users] The ending of various technological "waves"

[Fritz Hudnut]

Hi,

On Sun, 2 Jun 2019 at 01:28, Aere Greenway 
wrote:
> Thanks for the information.  I will do that if 32-bit is still not
> available in Lubuntu 20.04.
>
Debian is my plan B for my 32-bit netbook :)
BW,

Ian

@Aere && Ian:

I have a "Siduction" install in one of my linux partitions, which is a
"sid" based system stacked on Debian 10, not a bad system but the GUI isn't
as worked out as the Lu 19 GUI, and I think it is 64 bit . . . .  Still,
likely at some point Debian will do with 32 bit what it did with PPC???
Hard to say for sure . . . .

F
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