Re: [lubuntu-users] First response to Lu 20.04 alpha LTS live session . . . .
> > 1. Live only > > Most linux distros provide hybrid iso files, and they make bootable live > systems when cloned to a USB pendrive (or SSD or memory card). Cloning > is the main mode of mkusb. > > 2. Persistent live > > mkusb can also create persistent live drives, but it is more tricky. It > is an extracting method designed to work with Ubuntu and the Ubuntu > family flavours (e.g. Lubuntu) and Debian live. mkusb can also create > persistent live systems with some distros that are similar enough, for > example Linux Mint, but it will *not* work with most other linux distros. > > --- > > > > Best regards > Nio > Nio: Thanks again for the details, all seems clear, but seems like you are saying that the choice for "cloning" as one of the options is the same as "live installer"??? I usually use "make a live installer" but saw the "cloning" option which I thought was for making duplicates, rather than the regular mode?? Got it on the persistent live as a way to move a bootable system around to other computers, etc. F -- Lubuntu-users mailing list Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users
Re: [lubuntu-users] First response to Lu 20.04 alpha LTS live session . . . .
@Nio: Thanks for taking the time to reply. > Hi Fritz, > > An 8GB usb 2.0 flash drive is small and very slow. It works well for a > live (live-only) system, and can work also for a persistent live system, > if you use it in a careful way. But it is a bad idea to update & upgrade > it. > > If you have an SSD connected via a USB 3 adapter or box, you have a big > and fast drive, and you can use mkusb to make a persistent live system, > that will be very responsive. Such a system can be updated & upgraded > without problems. > > But you should be aware, that the original kernel and its drivers will > be used, because they are started before the overlay structure of the > persistent live system is active. > > I have tested a persistent live Lubuntu system in an SSD for a long time > with > > sudo apt update > sudo apt full-upgrade > > for a long time without any problems. > > I have tested mkusb with Focal Fossa, and it works as it should, except > that there is a new bug, that will affect you when you try to boot the > persistent live drive in live-only mode. See this link > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/1851123 > > Best regards > Nio > OK I read through that bug report, overall I find mkusb to be very reliable and consistent maker of live installers, only recently have I started to fiddle with "persistent" . . . because I saw you and others talking about it . . . but I guess I don't actually know what it is or does . . . . I usually discover stuff "the hard way" . . . and the usb2 flash drive was the "drive I had" at the time and then scrolling thru the "dus" menu I saw "persistent" . . . and jsut went for it w/o considering the smallish size of the drive. In the recent episode of trying to restore or reinstall several systems that were damaged I was using a 16GB flash and figured that might be a little "better" . . . but the persistent option seemed to come and go, so I mainly went back to "live." One thing to mention, although in the past I had used the usb3 port on my MP this time the making process seemed to be "quicker" . . . and in the case of trying out Solus' smallish file size on the .iso . . . very fast; but then the computer wouldn't boot them (2 versions of it) and not only that the alt/option key wouldn't bring up the mobo boot manager to choose any systems. Took a few minutes to figure out to pull the flash drive and then function came back. The making and booting and installing of Manjaro had gone well, I happened to look into the live folder of the Solus system and there were only 3 folder/directories inside, I recall from memory, I think there was no "EFI boot" mentioned? Anyway, there seemed to be a problems with Solus. That's when I went back to my olde Lu possibly 19.10 iso and zsync'd it into Focal, and mkusb handled it well, although possibly "persistent" didn't show up in the list? Or if it did all I was testing was to see if I could boot a live installer, which for Lu 20.04 it did well. Yesterday I used mkusb to wipe the drive and install an OpenSUSE TW iso and all went well, after I figured out the pilot error on the OSuse installer . . . although it didn't seem to get grub in order--otherwise mkusb worked quite well. -- Lubuntu-users mailing list Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users
Re: [lubuntu-users] First response to Lu 20.04 alpha LTS live session . . . .
On Fri, Nov 01, 2019 at 05:04:43PM -0700, Fritz Hudnut wrote: > considering installing […] but if you don't think it's ready for prime time In general, I would not recommend using development versions for production use. If you're really adept, patient, and well-aware of the changes that are going on in the Debian/Ubuntu ecosystem, then go for it. Otherwise, consider a virtual machine or maybe as a much less convenient solution, a dual boot. That is advice I would say applies to Focal as much as it does any other development version. > why [¸] "difficult" to get it turned into a "persistent live" I have no clue. I've never bothered with persistence at all. Nio would be more well equipped than I am at discussing the inner workings of mkusb. -- @wxl | polka.bike C563 CAC5 8BE1 2F22 A49D 68F6 8B57 A48B C4F2 051A -- Lubuntu-users mailing list Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users
Re: [lubuntu-users] First response to Lu 20.04 alpha LTS live session . . . .
Walter: Appreciate the reply, everything seemed to run well in the live iso on my '12 MP . . . opened a few apps, nothing seemed to freeze as they had in the past. I was considering installing it in the third partition of my 09 MBP laptop, but if you don't think it's ready for prime time . . . why did it seem to be "difficult" to get it turned into a "persistent live" usb drive? I did one before with Lu 19.10 using mkusb into an 8GB usb 2.0 flash drive and it didn't complain at all . . . it just took hours to get part way through an update so I cancelled out of it. This time it kept asking for "efi" and "grub" and saying it could download them and then it couldn't, and then it just cancelled the deal, so I just ran a regular live installer and it went fine. But if I could get a persistent version of Lu 20.04 going it could be easier to run through breakages than a bare metal install . . . Siduction busted up my other linux partitions pretty good a couple times, finally giving up on it as it's like OSX and doesn't play well with others . . . ??? On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 3:28 PM Walter Lapchynski wrote: > > > On November 1, 2019 2:01:22 PM PDT, Fritz Hudnut > wrote: > > it seems essentially the same as Eoan > > > I should also point out that the images we have are quite old since the > current Qt transition is breaking new builds. Again, early in the cycle, > breakages of all kinds are to be expected. > -- >@wxl | polka.bike > > -- Lubuntu-users mailing list Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users
Re: [lubuntu-users] First response to Lu 20.04 alpha LTS live session . . . .
On November 1, 2019 2:01:22 PM PDT, Fritz Hudnut wrote: > it seems essentially the same as Eoan Early in the development cycle, the new image is often the same as the old one. > the desktop image shows a "19 Eoan Ermine" image Usually things like art and version strings are the last things to change in the development cycle. I should also point out that the images we have are quite old since the current Qt transition is breaking new builds. Again, early in the cycle, breakages of all kinds are to be expected. -- @wxl | polka.bike C563 CAC5 8BE1 2F22 A49D 68F6 8B57 A48B C4F2 051A -- Lubuntu-users mailing list Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users
[lubuntu-users] First response to Lu 20.04 alpha LTS live session . . . .
So I was fiddling around with some other distro and the live iso wasn't booting up, so then I thought OK, I'll try Lubuntu and I tried to zsync it but it wasn't recognizing the file . . . then I saw that current was now "focal" . . . so I zsync'd that and mkusb did a good job on the "live" version, couldn't seem to get "persistent" to work on it . . . . First comment, it seems essentially the same as Eoan, but the desktop image shows a "19 Eoan Ermine" image, rather than some kind of "20 Focalized Fossil" type of image??? Intentional?? Seemed like mkusb was reading the file as "Eoan" when it looked at the base package, but then showed "Focal" before the install . . . so are there "mixed" sources at play?? F -- Lubuntu-users mailing list Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users
