[LUTE] Re: lilypond for tab using mac, any experienced users?
Arthur: The files are at the top of my Member page where it says "You added 3 songs," and are labeled jeune##.pdf. If you select one of the link buttons to the left of the filename with the right mouse button and choose "Open in a new window..." or "Save file as.." as Sean suggests, it should load correctly. The files are the same ones you saw in 1989, except that they have been converted to PDF format.. Daniel On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:47:34 -0500 "Arthur Ness" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I can confirm what Daniel says. I too use SCORE, and all of the > music > and the tablature (for the Marco pieces) was done with that > program. > The prgram is built so that it would be easy to directly change the > Italian tabature into French. Daniel has been particularly > resourceful in selecting appropriate type for French tablature. > > I saw some of his work many years ago. I can't find the example he > > mentions on his web page. > =AJN (Boston, Mass.)= > > - Original Message - > From: "Daniel F Heiman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:20 PM > Subject: [LUTE] Re: lilypond for tab using mac, any experienced > users? > > > | Since the discussion is about music printing and publishing > software, I > | have to put in my 2 cents worth. > | > | I can claim that I am a programmer also, since I write (sometimes > sloppy) > | HTML, but this entry method (as in alexander's message below) is > way > too > | much hassle for me. I will contend (and defend this contention > to > | whatever length someone desires in a debate) that SCORE is the > ultimate > | program for setting high quality tablature. Yes, Fronimo is a > reasonably > | well-thought-out tablature program, and Francesco has done a > marvelous > | job of creating beautiful and highly legible fonts, but Fronimo > still > | lacks the flexibility necessary for high-quality publishing, and > SCORE > | had that already more than twenty years ago. > | > | Output I created in 1989 is here: > | http://lutegroup.ning.com/profile/Libertylute > | Yes, I know that PDF files were not around then, but the > PostScript > files > | I just converted into these PDFs bear creation dates of 16 July > 1989. > | This transcription was done a few weeks after I acquired the > program, so > | I used a standard font (Zapf Chancery). Remember, you couldn't > just > | download any font you want off the Internet in those days -- it > took > a > | while to locate and purchase ware back then. I was obviously not > | completely satisfied with the solution for the "d" tablature > character, > | since I used a couple of different versions. Now days, lots of > nice > tab > | fonts are available, and it is much less difficult to create your > own > | than it was then. The point here is the spacing of the music and > the > | page layout in general. Any almost infinitesimal variation in > staff > size > | and placement is available. Any almost infinitesimal variation > in > the > | size and location of any object on the staff is available. Each > object on > | the page, including each character, has its own parameters, and > they > are > | editable by the user. The horizontal spacing of the ojects on a > staff is > | done with a simple letter command (LJ, for "line up and > justify"), > | generating this effortless-appearing layout. > | > | Regards, > | Daniel Heiman > | > | On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 19:54:24 -0500 alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > writes: > | > Lilypond is not in the lute tablature business. However, the > | > abctab2ps - is. For the love of VIm - it is perfect. This file: > | > > | > X:1 > | > T:Lacrimae > | > C:Dowland, 1600 > | > L:1/4 > | > M:C| > | > K:Bb > | > %%pageheight 11 in > | > %%staffwidth 7.7 in > | > %%titlespace 0.2 in > | > %%musicspace 0.2 in > | > %%staffsep 0.5 in > | > %%systemsep 0.5 in > | > %%indent 0.5 in > | > %%leftmargin .5 in > | > %%tabfontsize 11 > | > %%tabfontscale 1.4 > | > %%barnumbers 0 > | > %%scale 0.7 > | > %%taballflags=f > | > %%strictness1 0.5 > | > % > | > V:1 clef=alto name=Viol > | > V:2 clef=frenchtab name=Lute > | > % > | > %System 1 > | > [V:1] g3 f/e/ d2 b4 a g ^f4 | g2 d3 dff | e2 c2 d3 a | b2g2a2f2 > | > g1 > | > b3/2 a/ g1 ^f2 b2 | > | > [V:2] [,,bcca3] ,,a1 [,,bc,a] ,,d ,a ,,,a [,,,cd] ,,d/,,b ,,d2 > | > [,aa,c] ,a |\ > | > [,,bcca1] ,a a ,a [,d,,,d/],b,a,,d [,ab,,d1] ,,a | > | > [,,d,a] ,,b [,,a,d] ,,,c [,,a,c] ,,,c ,,,b2 |\ > | > [,,,c,a1] ,a3/2 ,,d/ [,abc],c [,daa1] ,,d [,aa,c2]| > [,,,cd1] > | > ,a ,,d2 [,aa,c] [,ab,,d1] ,d | > | > %System 2 > | > [V:1] a g g3 ^f/=e/ ^f2 | g8 || \ > | > g/G/B/c/ d/e/c/d/ B/c/A/B/ G/A/B/c/ d/c/B/A/ G/A//B// A/G/ > | > [V:2] [,bd,a] ,,b [,,ded] ,,,c [,,a,c] ,a2 ,,d1 |\ > | > [,,ccca3/2] ,b/ ,a ,,d ,,c ,,a [,ac,,a1] ,,,c ,a2 ||\ > | > [,,bcca3] ,,a1 [,,bc,a] ,,d ,a ,,,a [,,,cd] ,,d/,,b > | > %System 3 > | > [V:1] ^F/D/[K:bass]A/d/ D/[K:alto]d//c//
[LUTE] Re: was Galliard after Laveche (William Ballet Lute Book), now: scan vs camera
Nancy Carlin wrote: I love the idea of the LSA Microfilm library being digital, but wonder if it will happen in my lifetime. There is considerable concern that the libraries that provided those microfilms (a lot of them to me back in the 70s when I was Microfilm Librarian) would go ballistic if did anything more than loan out our copies of the films. From what I understand they cannot own the copyrights on the original materials because they are so old, but they do own it on the photography. Unfortunate but true. It makes the LSA microflim library of very little use to those of us who have no access to microfilm equipment. Stephen fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: was Galliard after Laveche (William Ballet Lute Book), now: scan vs camera
I love the idea of the LSA Microfilm library being digital, but wonder if it will happen in my lifetime. There is considerable concern that the libraries that provided those microfilms (a lot of them to me back in the 70s when I was Microfilm Librarian) would go ballistic if did anything more than loan out our copies of the films. From what I understand they cannot own the copyrights on the original materials because they are so old, but they do own it on the photography. Nancy I also thought of shooting the camera on one of those special screened microfilm readers. I had one of the teepee type that I found at a used office equipment store, but it didn't work very well and took up space, so I trashed it. And need something to replace it. And the scanner might be a good substitute. Anyway, there have been several useful suggestions. I'll let you all know what works. There are also services that will digitalize microfilms by the reel, but I do not know how much they charge. Wouldn't it be wonderful to have the entire LSA MIcrofilm Library in digital format? =AJN (Boston, Mass.)= This week's free download from Classical Music Library is Berlioz's Overture to "Benvenuto Cellini," performed by the Orchestre National de Montpellier; Lionel Arnaud, conductor. . To download, click on the CML link here [1]http://mysite.verizon.net/arthurjness/ My Web Page: Scores [2]http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/arthurjnesslutescores/ Other Matters: [3]http://mysite.verizon.net/arthurjness/ [4]http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/musexx/ === - Original Message - From: "ml" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "List LUTELIST" Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 2:50 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: was Galliard after Laveche (William Ballet Lute Book), now: scan vs camera another possibility of scanning microfilm: making a photography of it with a digital camera. I imagine that it would not be that difficult to arrange a "reprography stage" using: 1. a negative holder recycled from an old analog photographic enlarger for holding the microfilm flat, and at the same time framing it, so that we see only the white light that illuminates the film from below, and no light surrounds the film. The light coming from below originates in 2. a small light table (those used for inspecting slides). For holding the camera we need 3. a small tripod. I would arrange everything vertically: on the lowest level the light table, resting on it the negative holder with the microfilm, and above everything the camera. The only problem: we need a camera that can photograph a very small area: 24 x 36 mm. But I'm sure on the market there must be many that are able to do that. The main difference between a scanner and this setup is speed. If many "repros" had to be made this setup is not good, of course. But if you have access to an old enlarger and a light table, why not use them for photographing microfilms? Saludos, Manolo Another way of doing the same would be using on a digital SLR those cheap tubes for reproducing slides that exist since the analogic era. El 06/12/2008, a las 17:52, Stuart Walsh escribio: > Arthur Ness wrote: >> Jean-Marie, >> >> Can you explain how you scan a microfilm? That technique would be >> very handy for many of us. >> >> Commercial microfilm scanners cost several thousands of dollars, >> but I can use one at the library. >> >> Arthur. >> >> > > I use a very cheap slide scanner that I got years ago - a PrimeFilm > 1800... absolutely the bottom of the market. It is not very good > for actual photographic slides but it's fine for microfilm. I think > you can get a cheap slide scanner for about -L-50 in Britain - so > probably cheaper in USA. The scanner connects via USB. It's a bit > fiddly and slow but once you've got a scan you can clean it up. You > can zoom in on details etc. And you have a permanent record of it. > > It doesn't work for every microfilm though: the de Gallot guitar MS > is some kind of A4, portrait shape (I don't know the technical term) > and it has been photographed in landscape format. So the top and > bottom is chopped off. > > > Stuart > >> =AJN (Boston, Mass.)= >> This week's free download from Classical >> Music Library is Berlioz's Overture to >> "Benvenuto Cellini," performed by the >> Orchestre National de Montpellier; >> Lionel Arnaud, conductor. . >> >> To dow
[LUTE] Lilypond da Milano
O well ,once started, hard to stop. This is how it looks in the end ( pdf, midi
and ly files here)
http://www.4shared.com/dir/10890314/b1afbb12/Francesco.html
\version "2.10.33"
\header{
title = "Ricercar"
opus = \markup {\small \italic "(N 52)"}
composer = "Francesco da Milano"
tagline = ""
piece = \markup {\small \italic ""}
}
\paper{
paper-size = "letter"
oddFooterMarkup = "Francesco Ricercar"
%%system-count = #10
ragged-bottom = ##t
ragged-lastbottom = ##t
%%print-page-number = ##t
top-margin = .001\in
%%bottom-margin = .1\in
%%head-separation = 0\in
%%foot-separation = 0\in
%%between-system-space = .25\in
%%between-system-padding = .25\in
before-title-space = .001\in
between-title-space = .001\in
after-title-space = .001\in
}
#(set-global-staff-size 17
)
#(define (fret-letter-tablature-format string tuning pitch)
(make-string 1 (integer->char
(+ (char->integer #\a)
(- (ly:pitch-semitones pitch)
(list-ref tuning (- string 1)))
bb = \bar "|"
offset = {
\override Voice.Stem #'extra-offset = #'(0 . .6)
\override Voice.Beam #'extra-offset = #'(0 . .6)
}
I = \context Voice \relative c' {
\set Staff.midiInstrument = "harpsichord"
\once \override Score.MetronomeMark #'transparent = ##t
\tempo 4 = 42
\offset
\stemUp g'4\1 g8\1 g\1 \bar "|" d4\2 d\2 \bar "|" r8 a'\1 g\1 f\2 ees\2
g16.\1 a32\1 \bar "|"
bes8\1 bes\1 a\1 g\1 \bb g\1 f\2 ees\2 d\2 \bb r16 f\2 ees\2 d\2 r bes'\1
a\1 g\1 r c\1 \bb
bes8.\1 a16\1 g16.\1 f32\2 ees16 d c f8 ees16 \bb d8. s r16 d \bb bes ees d
g[ f bes] g c a f \bb
g bes8 a g fis16 \bb g4 f8 d ees4 d8 s \bb
f16. g32 a16 f c'4 \bb bes8. bes16 a g8 fis16 \bb g8 g g ees16 c d bes c d
\bb
ees16. d32 c16 bes a g32\4 a \bb bes c d e f g a bes c16 bes a g \bb f32 ees
d c bes a g f ees d c bes\6
r16 c'' bes a g bes a g \bb f a g f e g f e \bb r bes' a g16. e32 fis g
fis16 g \bb g4 \bar "||"
}
II = \context Voice \relative c' {
\set Staff.midiInstrument = "harpsichord"
\stemDown s1 d8\2 d\2 bes\3 bes\3 r16 c\3 ees8\2
d s s c bes a c d\3 c s s s c
d8. s s s bes c16 bes c a8 s16 c bes ees s d ees8 c16 d\3
ees d c8 d s s1
s4.. ees16 d8. d16 c bes a8 s16 ees' d c8 b16 c a\4 bes g8 bes16
s4. s2 s4.
s16 c d8 bes c a bes s4 d8 s s4 d
}
III = \context Voice \relative c' {
\set Staff.midiInstrument = "harpsichord"
\offset
\stemUp g8\4 g16\4 a\3 bes\3 g\4 bes8\3 g4\4 g\4 fis8\4 s s s g4
r16 g d'8 r16 f, s8 g r16 f s8 g16 f f8\4 bes g c a\4
g8. s s s s a16 g8. fis16 g8 s16 c a d g,8 s
s4 bes8 a g4 a c bes16. c32 d16 bes
a4 s g s g8 s s s s s
s4. s4 ees'16 d c bes a s s4
s2 s4 g8 a f c'16 bes a8 a 4
}
IV = \context Voice \relative c' {
\set Staff.midiInstrument = "harpsichord"
\stemDown g,4\6 g8\6 g\6 g\6 g16\6 a\6 bes\6 g\6 bes\6 c\5 d8\5 d\5 ees\5
d16\5 bes\6 c8\5 c\5
g\6 r16 g\6 d'8 r16 c r16 g\6 d'8 r16 c r bes\6 s8 g'\4 ees c4
r16 g32\6 a\6 bes\6 c d16 ees c32 d ees f g16 a f32 g a bes c16 r bes,32\6 c
d ees f16\5 s c d8 ees16 c g' c, d bes\6 c8 f16 bes\4
ees, bes\6 ees f g bes,\6 c d g,16.\6 a32\6 bes16\6 g\6 d'16. ees32 f16 d
c16. d32 ees16 c g8.\6 g16\6
d'8. d16 c16. d32 ees16 c g16.\6 a32\6 bes16\6 g\6 a\6 bes\6 c d g,\6 c b\6
c g8\6 c16 f\5 bes,\6 ees8 bes16\6
c d ees16. d32 c16 bes\6 g8\6 d' c16 d f g d8 g,4\6
a32\6 g\6 a16\6 g\6 d' ees8 c d bes\6 c a\6 bes\6 c d d g,4\6
}
\score {
<<
\new TabStaff = "guitar tab" <<
\set TabStaff.stringTunings = #'(7 2 -3 -7 -12 -17)
%\set TabStaff.stringTunings = #'(7 2 -3)
%%\override TabStaff.Stem #'transparent = ##t
%%\override TabStaff.Dots #'transparent = ##t
\set TabStaff.tablatureFormat = #fret-letter-tablature-format
\override TabStaff.TabNoteHead #'extra-offset = #'(0 . .3)
\set Score.defaultBarType = "empty"
\context TabVoice = "I" {\I }
\context TabVoice = "II" {\II }
%\context TabVoice = "III" {\III }
%\context TabVoice = "IV" {\IV }
>>
\new TabStaff = "guitar tab" <<
\set TabStaff.stringTunings = #'(7 2 -3 -7 -12 -17)
%\set TabStaff.stringTunings = #'(-7 -12 -17)
%%\override TabStaff.Stem #'transparent = ##t
%%\override TabStaff.Dots #'transparent = ##t
\set TabStaff.tablatureFormat = #fret-letter-tablature-format
\override TabStaff.TabNoteHead #'extra-offset = #'(0 . .3)
\set Score.defaultBarType = "empty"
%\context TabVoice = "I" {\I }
%\context TabVoice = "II" {\II }
\context TabVoice = "III" {\III }
\context TabVoice = "IV" {\IV }
>>
>>
\layout { }
\midi {
}
}
There was a small bug, i did not try to figure out - it would not automatically
select the 6th string, so i had to mark all of them, oth
[LUTE] Re: Fret Calculator
Oops! I sent this to Dan, only; meatn it for the list (sorry, Dan, for the redundance): Regarding the acceptance (or lack thereof) of Equal Temp, I recommend the following: How Equal Temperament Ruined Harmony (And Why You Should Care) Ross Duffin (2007) ISBN-13: 978-0-393-06227-4 You can find writings of Duffin on the web, also. Regards, Leonard Williams /[ ] / \ | * | \_=_/ On 12/2/08 11:28 AM, "Daniel Winheld" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Even the piano (Ivers & Pond, 1906- their "Upright >>> Grand") is tuned to temperament one of my students calls "Victorian >>> Meantone" > > Whoops should have seen that one coming! From what the piano tuner > told me, I gathered that it is one of a variety of "well" > temperaments, similar to what J.S. Bach may have intended with his > "Well Tempered Clavier" - that is, enough of a nod to the thirds that > they sound better than equal, but compromised enough to make all keys > useable. -True et took a LONG time to become universally accepted, and - more recently than one would have expected- but I would have to look - it up to give dates, places, venues & menus so I'm stopping here. > My tuner dude says that "Victorian Meantone" is not the true name for > this temperament, but the wise-ass nickname that my lute student > gives it. She also plays piano and employs his services; in fact she > recommended him to me. Anytime any of you come out here, bring your > piano with you and we'll fix you up with Larry Riley, a fine piano > tuner indeed. > >> Just out of curiosity, what exactly is "Victorian Meantone?" To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Lute spotting...
..in 'Whisper of the heart' - an animated film by the wonderful Studio Ghibli (directed by Hayao Miyazaki's protege Yoshifumi Kondo). (Plot summary: teenage girl who dreams of becoming a writer meets teenage boy who dreams of becoming a luthier - they fall in love!) A 6 course lute appears - along with a violin, gamba, tambourine, shawm and recorder - in a scene where characters improvise an accompaniment to John Denver's 'Take Me Home Country Roads'. Like everything, it's on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIX4Blu1sHw But definitely worth seeing the whole film. Andrew -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: scan vs camera
And then there's the easy way: Many Libraries have microfilm scanning stations. There's one at the UCB music library, for example. Bring a USB drive and scan away. dt At 01:56 PM 12/6/2008, you wrote: I'm no rocket surgeon but I've taken fine, sharp pictures just holding a loupe in one hand between a 3.2meg digital camera (in the other hand) and the object. In this case the object is a microfilm on a light table. Do a little experimenting w/ objects at different lengths from the camera w/ various magnifiers: old camera lenses, magnifying glasses (maybe that one that came w/ the OED years ago), grandma's knitting glasses, telescope eyepieces, projector lenses, what-have-you. Just avoid the reducing lenses. Eventually you'll want to use a tripod and adjust the camera to point straight down at the microfilm on the light table and make some kind of holder to hold the lens at the right height. There might be a little vignetting around the edges depending on the diameter of the loupe and its focal length (and eye relief--the distance between the loupe and eye/cameralens) but as long as you have the whole page in the viewfinder you can crop out the rest. If you're using a simple one lens magnifier, try to go for as long a focal length (towards the telephoto--away from close-up/macro mode) as possible. This may seem counter-intuitive but the longer focal length will help cut down on the color abberation (rainbowing) at the edges. It may take a while to set up but remember that electrons are free. And remember how everybody makes a big deal out of the one non-musician in the Galileo family (who also used a very long focal length to avoid color abberation so, yes, this is mildly reflective of contemporary lute playing. Getting back to scanners, I don't see how a negative/slide scanner _couldn't_ work. Get one with a 120 (6x6) film holder if possible. If that doesn't fit your microfilm, make one out of cardboard. I bought one 3 years ago for $200 (an Epson 4490) and I'm sure they've come down since. I'll disclose that I haven't done it but only because I don't have any microfilms around the house. Sean ps Cheapo light table= a tissue between two panes of glass w/ a light bulb underneath. On Dec 6, 2008, at 11:50 AM, ml wrote: another possibility of scanning microfilm: making a photography of it with a digital camera. I imagine that it would not be that difficult to arrange a "reprography stage" using: 1. a negative holder recycled from an old analog photographic enlarger for holding the microfilm flat, and at the same time framing it, so that we see only the white light that illuminates the film from below, and no light surrounds the film. The light coming from below originates in 2. a small light table (those used for inspecting slides). For holding the camera we need 3. a small tripod. I would arrange everything vertically: on the lowest level the light table, resting on it the negative holder with the microfilm, and above everything the camera. The only problem: we need a camera that can photograph a very small area: 24 x 36 mm. But I'm sure on the market there must be many that are able to do that. The main difference between a scanner and this setup is speed. If many "repros" had to be made this setup is not good, of course. But if you have access to an old enlarger and a light table, why not use them for photographing microfilms? Saludos, Manolo Another way of doing the same would be using on a digital SLR those cheap tubes for reproducing slides that exist since the analogic era. El 06/12/2008, a las 17:52, Stuart Walsh escribió: Arthur Ness wrote: Jean-Marie, Can you explain how you scan a microfilm? That technique would be very handy for many of us. Commercial microfilm scanners cost several thousands of dollars, but I can use one at the library. Arthur. I use a very cheap slide scanner that I got years ago - a PrimeFilm 1800... absolutely the bottom of the market. It is not very good for actual photographic slides but it's fine for microfilm. I think you can get a cheap slide scanner for about £50 in Britain - so probably cheaper in USA. The scanner connects via USB. It's a bit fiddly and slow but once you've got a scan you can clean it up. You can zoom in on details etc. And you have a permanent record of it. It doesn't work for every microfilm though: the de Gallot guitar MS is some kind of A4, portrait shape (I don't know the technical term) and it has been photographed in landscape format. So the top and bottom is chopped off. Stuart =AJN (Boston, Mass.)= This week's free download from Classical Music Library is Berlioz's Overture to "Benvenuto Cellini," performed by the Orchestre National de Montpellier; Lionel Arnaud, conductor. . To download, click on the CML link here http://mysite.verizon.net/arthurjness/ My Web Page: Scores http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/arthurjnesslutescores/
[LUTE] Re: scan vs camera
Many Libraries have microfilm scanning stations. There's one at the UCB music library, for example. Bring a USB drive and scan away. dt At 01:56 PM 12/6/2008, you wrote: I'm no rocket surgeon but I've taken fine, sharp pictures just holding a loupe in one hand between a 3.2meg digital camera (in the other hand) and the object. In this case the object is a microfilm on a light table. Do a little experimenting w/ objects at different lengths from the camera w/ various magnifiers: old camera lenses, magnifying glasses (maybe that one that came w/ the OED years ago), grandma's knitting glasses, telescope eyepieces, projector lenses, what-have-you. Just avoid the reducing lenses. Eventually you'll want to use a tripod and adjust the camera to point straight down at the microfilm on the light table and make some kind of holder to hold the lens at the right height. There might be a little vignetting around the edges depending on the diameter of the loupe and its focal length (and eye relief--the distance between the loupe and eye/cameralens) but as long as you have the whole page in the viewfinder you can crop out the rest. If you're using a simple one lens magnifier, try to go for as long a focal length (towards the telephoto--away from close-up/macro mode) as possible. This may seem counter-intuitive but the longer focal length will help cut down on the color abberation (rainbowing) at the edges. It may take a while to set up but remember that electrons are free. And remember how everybody makes a big deal out of the one non-musician in the Galileo family (who also used a very long focal length to avoid color abberation so, yes, this is mildly reflective of contemporary lute playing. Getting back to scanners, I don't see how a negative/slide scanner _couldn't_ work. Get one with a 120 (6x6) film holder if possible. If that doesn't fit your microfilm, make one out of cardboard. I bought one 3 years ago for $200 (an Epson 4490) and I'm sure they've come down since. I'll disclose that I haven't done it but only because I don't have any microfilms around the house. Sean ps Cheapo light table= a tissue between two panes of glass w/ a light bulb underneath. On Dec 6, 2008, at 11:50 AM, ml wrote: another possibility of scanning microfilm: making a photography of it with a digital camera. I imagine that it would not be that difficult to arrange a "reprography stage" using: 1. a negative holder recycled from an old analog photographic enlarger for holding the microfilm flat, and at the same time framing it, so that we see only the white light that illuminates the film from below, and no light surrounds the film. The light coming from below originates in 2. a small light table (those used for inspecting slides). For holding the camera we need 3. a small tripod. I would arrange everything vertically: on the lowest level the light table, resting on it the negative holder with the microfilm, and above everything the camera. The only problem: we need a camera that can photograph a very small area: 24 x 36 mm. But I'm sure on the market there must be many that are able to do that. The main difference between a scanner and this setup is speed. If many "repros" had to be made this setup is not good, of course. But if you have access to an old enlarger and a light table, why not use them for photographing microfilms? Saludos, Manolo Another way of doing the same would be using on a digital SLR those cheap tubes for reproducing slides that exist since the analogic era. El 06/12/2008, a las 17:52, Stuart Walsh escribió: Arthur Ness wrote: Jean-Marie, Can you explain how you scan a microfilm? That technique would be very handy for many of us. Commercial microfilm scanners cost several thousands of dollars, but I can use one at the library. Arthur. I use a very cheap slide scanner that I got years ago - a PrimeFilm 1800... absolutely the bottom of the market. It is not very good for actual photographic slides but it's fine for microfilm. I think you can get a cheap slide scanner for about £50 in Britain - so probably cheaper in USA. The scanner connects via USB. It's a bit fiddly and slow but once you've got a scan you can clean it up. You can zoom in on details etc. And you have a permanent record of it. It doesn't work for every microfilm though: the de Gallot guitar MS is some kind of A4, portrait shape (I don't know the technical term) and it has been photographed in landscape format. So the top and bottom is chopped off. Stuart =AJN (Boston, Mass.)= This week's free download from Classical Music Library is Berlioz's Overture to "Benvenuto Cellini," performed by the Orchestre National de Montpellier; Lionel Arnaud, conductor. . To download, click on the CML link here http://mysite.verizon.net/arthurjness/ My Web Page: Scores http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/arthurjnesslutescores/ Other Matters: http://mysite.verizon.net/arthurjness/ http://
[LUTE] Re: scan vs camera
I'm no rocket surgeon but I've taken fine, sharp pictures just holding a loupe in one hand between a 3.2meg digital camera (in the other hand) and the object. In this case the object is a microfilm on a light table. Do a little experimenting w/ objects at different lengths from the camera w/ various magnifiers: old camera lenses, magnifying glasses (maybe that one that came w/ the OED years ago), grandma's knitting glasses, telescope eyepieces, projector lenses, what-have-you. Just avoid the reducing lenses. Eventually you'll want to use a tripod and adjust the camera to point straight down at the microfilm on the light table and make some kind of holder to hold the lens at the right height. There might be a little vignetting around the edges depending on the diameter of the loupe and its focal length (and eye relief--the distance between the loupe and eye/cameralens) but as long as you have the whole page in the viewfinder you can crop out the rest. If you're using a simple one lens magnifier, try to go for as long a focal length (towards the telephoto--away from close-up/macro mode) as possible. This may seem counter-intuitive but the longer focal length will help cut down on the color abberation (rainbowing) at the edges. It may take a while to set up but remember that electrons are free. And remember how everybody makes a big deal out of the one non-musician in the Galileo family (who also used a very long focal length to avoid color abberation so, yes, this is mildly reflective of contemporary lute playing. Getting back to scanners, I don't see how a negative/slide scanner _couldn't_ work. Get one with a 120 (6x6) film holder if possible. If that doesn't fit your microfilm, make one out of cardboard. I bought one 3 years ago for $200 (an Epson 4490) and I'm sure they've come down since. I'll disclose that I haven't done it but only because I don't have any microfilms around the house. Sean ps Cheapo light table= a tissue between two panes of glass w/ a light bulb underneath. On Dec 6, 2008, at 11:50 AM, ml wrote: another possibility of scanning microfilm: making a photography of it with a digital camera. I imagine that it would not be that difficult to arrange a "reprography stage" using: 1. a negative holder recycled from an old analog photographic enlarger for holding the microfilm flat, and at the same time framing it, so that we see only the white light that illuminates the film from below, and no light surrounds the film. The light coming from below originates in 2. a small light table (those used for inspecting slides). For holding the camera we need 3. a small tripod. I would arrange everything vertically: on the lowest level the light table, resting on it the negative holder with the microfilm, and above everything the camera. The only problem: we need a camera that can photograph a very small area: 24 x 36 mm. But I'm sure on the market there must be many that are able to do that. The main difference between a scanner and this setup is speed. If many "repros" had to be made this setup is not good, of course. But if you have access to an old enlarger and a light table, why not use them for photographing microfilms? Saludos, Manolo Another way of doing the same would be using on a digital SLR those cheap tubes for reproducing slides that exist since the analogic era. El 06/12/2008, a las 17:52, Stuart Walsh escribió: Arthur Ness wrote: Jean-Marie, Can you explain how you scan a microfilm? That technique would be very handy for many of us. Commercial microfilm scanners cost several thousands of dollars, but I can use one at the library. Arthur. I use a very cheap slide scanner that I got years ago - a PrimeFilm 1800... absolutely the bottom of the market. It is not very good for actual photographic slides but it's fine for microfilm. I think you can get a cheap slide scanner for about £50 in Britain - so probably cheaper in USA. The scanner connects via USB. It's a bit fiddly and slow but once you've got a scan you can clean it up. You can zoom in on details etc. And you have a permanent record of it. It doesn't work for every microfilm though: the de Gallot guitar MS is some kind of A4, portrait shape (I don't know the technical term) and it has been photographed in landscape format. So the top and bottom is chopped off. Stuart =AJN (Boston, Mass.)= This week's free download from Classical Music Library is Berlioz's Overture to "Benvenuto Cellini," performed by the Orchestre National de Montpellier; Lionel Arnaud, conductor. . To download, click on the CML link here http://mysite.verizon.net/arthurjness/ My Web Page: Scores http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/arthurjnesslutescores/ Other Matters: http://mysite.verizon.net/arthurjness/ http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/musexx/
[LUTE] Re: was Galliard after Laveche (William Ballet Lute Book), now: scan vs camera
Dear Manolo, I also thought of shooting the camera on one of those special screened microfilm readers. I had one of the teepee type that I found at a used office equipment store, but it didn't work very well and took up space, so I trashed it. And need something to replace it. And the scanner might be a good substitute. Anyway, there have been several useful suggestions. I'll let you all know what works. There are also services that will digitalize microfilms by the reel, but I do not know how much they charge. Wouldn't it be wonderful to have the entire LSA MIcrofilm Library in digital format? =AJN (Boston, Mass.)= This week's free download from Classical Music Library is Berlioz's Overture to "Benvenuto Cellini," performed by the Orchestre National de Montpellier; Lionel Arnaud, conductor. . To download, click on the CML link here http://mysite.verizon.net/arthurjness/ My Web Page: Scores http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/arthurjnesslutescores/ Other Matters: http://mysite.verizon.net/arthurjness/ http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/musexx/ === - Original Message - From: "ml" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "List LUTELIST" Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 2:50 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: was Galliard after Laveche (William Ballet Lute Book), now: scan vs camera another possibility of scanning microfilm: making a photography of it with a digital camera. I imagine that it would not be that difficult to arrange a "reprography stage" using: 1. a negative holder recycled from an old analog photographic enlarger for holding the microfilm flat, and at the same time framing it, so that we see only the white light that illuminates the film from below, and no light surrounds the film. The light coming from below originates in 2. a small light table (those used for inspecting slides). For holding the camera we need 3. a small tripod. I would arrange everything vertically: on the lowest level the light table, resting on it the negative holder with the microfilm, and above everything the camera. The only problem: we need a camera that can photograph a very small area: 24 x 36 mm. But I'm sure on the market there must be many that are able to do that. The main difference between a scanner and this setup is speed. If many "repros" had to be made this setup is not good, of course. But if you have access to an old enlarger and a light table, why not use them for photographing microfilms? Saludos, Manolo Another way of doing the same would be using on a digital SLR those cheap tubes for reproducing slides that exist since the analogic era. El 06/12/2008, a las 17:52, Stuart Walsh escribió: > Arthur Ness wrote: >> Jean-Marie, >> >> Can you explain how you scan a microfilm? That technique would be >> very handy for many of us. >> >> Commercial microfilm scanners cost several thousands of dollars, >> but I can use one at the library. >> >> Arthur. >> >> > > I use a very cheap slide scanner that I got years ago - a PrimeFilm > 1800... absolutely the bottom of the market. It is not very good > for actual photographic slides but it's fine for microfilm. I think > you can get a cheap slide scanner for about £50 in Britain - so > probably cheaper in USA. The scanner connects via USB. It's a bit > fiddly and slow but once you've got a scan you can clean it up. You > can zoom in on details etc. And you have a permanent record of it. > > It doesn't work for every microfilm though: the de Gallot guitar MS > is some kind of A4, portrait shape (I don't know the technical term) > and it has been photographed in landscape format. So the top and > bottom is chopped off. > > > Stuart > >> =AJN (Boston, Mass.)= >> This week's free download from Classical >> Music Library is Berlioz's Overture to >> "Benvenuto Cellini," performed by the >> Orchestre National de Montpellier; >> Lionel Arnaud, conductor. . >> >> To download, click on the CML link here >> http://mysite.verizon.net/arthurjness/ >> >> My Web Page: Scores >> http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/arthurjnesslutescores/ >>Other Matters: >> http://mysite.verizon.net/arthurjness/ >> http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/musexx/ >> === >> >> - Original Message - From: "Jean-Marie Poirier" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> To: "lute" >> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 7:55 AM >> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Galliard after Laveche (William Ballet Lute >> Book) >> >> >> | === 06-12-2008 13:35:22 == >> | >Hi, lutelisters, >> | > >> | >is there a modern edition of the "William Ballet Lute Book"? I'm >> after >> | >"A Galliard after Laveche" (Anon.), among other pieces. >> | > >> | Not that I know of... I have a microfilm copy of less than >> average quality, but still very useful ! >> | I you want I can scan the Galliard in question and send it over >> as anattachment to your private mailbox. >> | >> | >A
[LUTE] lilypond for tab using mac, any experienced users?
We're all experienced users now!
Here is a version that will produce midi output. Ye'rall invited to
listen to Alexander's Beast at:
http://www.phys.uri.edu/~nigh/AlexandersBeast
Click on the file with extension mid. (The pdf file should be the same as
Alexander's jpg file mentioned below.)
The "\context Voice" in the code below produces midi, but not tab; change
that to "\new Voice" in the definitions of I,II,..,IV to produce tab. In
that case, all voices are sung by a church organ. Do not ask me why.
Peter.
\version "2.10.33"
#(define (fret-letter-tablature-format string tuning pitch)
(make-string 1 (integer->char
(+ (char->integer #\a)
(- (ly:pitch-semitones pitch)
(list-ref tuning (- string 1)))
offset = {
\override Voice.Stem #'extra-offset = #'(0 . .6)
\override Voice.Beam #'extra-offset = #'(0 . .6)
}
I = \context Voice {
\set Staff.midiInstrument = "choir aahs"
\offset
\stemUp g'4\1 g'8\1 g'\1 \bar "|" d'4\2 d'\2 \bar "|" r8 a'\1 g'\1 f'\2
ees'\2 g'16.\1 a'32\1 \bar "|"
}
II = \context Voice {
\set Staff.midiInstrument = "bird tweet"
\stemDown s1 d'8\2 d'\2 bes\3 bes\3 r16 c'\3 ees'8\2
}
III = \context Voice {
\set Staff.midiInstrument = "cello"
\offset
\stemUp g8\4 g16\4 a\3 bes\3 g\4 bes8\3 g4\4 g\4 fis8\4 s s s g4
}
IV = \context Voice {
\set Staff.midiInstrument = "church organ"
\stemDown g,4\6 g,8\6 g,\6 g,\6 g,16\6 a,\6 bes,\6 g,\6 bes,\6 c\5 d8\5 d\5
ees\5 d16\5 bes,\6 c8\5 c\5
}
\score {
<<
\new TabStaff = "guitar tab" <<
\set TabStaff.stringTunings = #'(7 2 -3 -7 -12 -17)
%\set TabStaff.stringTunings = #'(7 2 -3)
%%\override TabStaff.Stem #'transparent = ##t
%%\override TabStaff.Dots #'transparent = ##t
\set TabStaff.tablatureFormat = #fret-letter-tablature-format
\override TabStaff.TabNoteHead #'extra-offset = #'(0 . .3)
\set Score.defaultBarType = "empty"
\context TabVoice = "I" {\I \I}
\context TabVoice = "II" {\II \II}
%\context TabVoice = "III" {\III \III}
%\context TabVoice = "IV" {\IV \IV}
>>
\new TabStaff = "guitar tab" <<
\set TabStaff.stringTunings = #'(7 2 -3 -7 -12 -17)
%\set TabStaff.stringTunings = #'(-7 -12 -17)
%%\override TabStaff.Stem #'transparent = ##t
%%\override TabStaff.Dots #'transparent = ##t
\set TabStaff.tablatureFormat = #fret-letter-tablature-format
\override TabStaff.TabNoteHead #'extra-offset = #'(0 . .3)
\set Score.defaultBarType = "empty"
%\context TabVoice = "I" {\I \I}
%\context TabVoice = "II" {\II \II}
\context TabVoice = "III" {\III \III}
\context TabVoice = "IV" {\IV \IV}
>>
>>
\layout { }
\midi {
\context {
\Score
tempoWholesPerMinute = #(ly:make-moment 42 4)
}
}
}
On Sat, 6 Dec 2008, alexander wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:53:00 -0500
> alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> O, that's easy part:
>>
>> http://wa4.images.onesite.com/vokaria.onesite.com/large/tabtempoly2staff.jpg?v=142650
>>
>> code:
>>
>> I= { \override Voice.Stem #'extra-offset = #'(0 . .6) \override Voice.Beam
>> #'extra-offset = #'(0 . .6) \stemUp g'4\1 g'8\1 g'\1 \bar "|" d'4\2 d'\2
>> \bar "|" r8 a'\1 g'\1 f'\2 ees'\2 g'16.\1 a'32\1
>> \bar "|"}
>> II= {\stemDown s1 d'8\2 d'\2 bes\3 bes\3 r16 c'\3 ees'8\2 }
>> III= { \override Voice.Stem #'extra-offset = #'(0 . .6) \override
>> Voice.Beam #'extra-offset = #'(0 . .6) \stemUp g8\4 g16\4 a\3 bes\3 g\4
>> bes8\3 g4\4 g\4 fis8\4 s s s g4 }
>> IV= {\stemDown g,4\6 g,8\6 g,\6 g,\6 g,16\6 a,\6 bes,\6 g,\6 bes,\6
>> c\5 d8\5 d\5 ees\5 d16\5 bes,\6
>> c8\5 c\5 }
>>
>> As you can see, Voice.Stem and Beam are offset up, the way the lower voices
>> beams are offset down, same distance.
>>
>> alexander
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[LUTE] Re: was Galliard after Laveche (William Ballet Lute Book), now: scan vs camera
another possibility of scanning microfilm: making a photography of it with a digital camera. I imagine that it would not be that difficult to arrange a "reprography stage" using: 1. a negative holder recycled from an old analog photographic enlarger for holding the microfilm flat, and at the same time framing it, so that we see only the white light that illuminates the film from below, and no light surrounds the film. The light coming from below originates in 2. a small light table (those used for inspecting slides). For holding the camera we need 3. a small tripod. I would arrange everything vertically: on the lowest level the light table, resting on it the negative holder with the microfilm, and above everything the camera. The only problem: we need a camera that can photograph a very small area: 24 x 36 mm. But I'm sure on the market there must be many that are able to do that. The main difference between a scanner and this setup is speed. If many "repros" had to be made this setup is not good, of course. But if you have access to an old enlarger and a light table, why not use them for photographing microfilms? Saludos, Manolo Another way of doing the same would be using on a digital SLR those cheap tubes for reproducing slides that exist since the analogic era. El 06/12/2008, a las 17:52, Stuart Walsh escribió: Arthur Ness wrote: Jean-Marie, Can you explain how you scan a microfilm? That technique would be very handy for many of us. Commercial microfilm scanners cost several thousands of dollars, but I can use one at the library. Arthur. I use a very cheap slide scanner that I got years ago - a PrimeFilm 1800... absolutely the bottom of the market. It is not very good for actual photographic slides but it's fine for microfilm. I think you can get a cheap slide scanner for about £50 in Britain - so probably cheaper in USA. The scanner connects via USB. It's a bit fiddly and slow but once you've got a scan you can clean it up. You can zoom in on details etc. And you have a permanent record of it. It doesn't work for every microfilm though: the de Gallot guitar MS is some kind of A4, portrait shape (I don't know the technical term) and it has been photographed in landscape format. So the top and bottom is chopped off. Stuart =AJN (Boston, Mass.)= This week's free download from Classical Music Library is Berlioz's Overture to "Benvenuto Cellini," performed by the Orchestre National de Montpellier; Lionel Arnaud, conductor. . To download, click on the CML link here http://mysite.verizon.net/arthurjness/ My Web Page: Scores http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/arthurjnesslutescores/ Other Matters: http://mysite.verizon.net/arthurjness/ http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/musexx/ === - Original Message - From: "Jean-Marie Poirier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: "lute" Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 7:55 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Galliard after Laveche (William Ballet Lute Book) | === 06-12-2008 13:35:22 == | >Hi, lutelisters, | > | >is there a modern edition of the "William Ballet Lute Book"? I'm after | >"A Galliard after Laveche" (Anon.), among other pieces. | > | Not that I know of... I have a microfilm copy of less than average quality, but still very useful ! | I you want I can scan the Galliard in question and send it over as anattachment to your private mailbox. | | >As always, thank you very much in advance for your help. | > | >Saludos from Barcelona, | > | >Manolo | | Saludos del oveste de Francia ! | | Jean-Marie | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://adueliuti.free.fr | 06-12-2008 | | | | | To get on or off this list see list information at | http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html | No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.14/1832 - Release Date: 05/12/2008 09:57
[LUTE] Re: lilypond for tab using mac, any experienced users?
On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:53:00 -0500
alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> O, that's easy part:
>
> http://wa4.images.onesite.com/vokaria.onesite.com/large/tabtempoly2staff.jpg?v=142650
>
> code:
>
> I= { \override Voice.Stem #'extra-offset = #'(0 . .6) \override Voice.Beam
> #'extra-offset = #'(0 . .6) \stemUp g'4\1 g'8\1 g'\1 \bar "|" d'4\2 d'\2 \bar
> "|" r8 a'\1 g'\1 f'\2 ees'\2 g'16.\1 a'32\1
> \bar "|"}
> II= {\stemDown s1 d'8\2 d'\2 bes\3 bes\3 r16 c'\3 ees'8\2 }
> III= { \override Voice.Stem #'extra-offset = #'(0 . .6) \override
> Voice.Beam #'extra-offset = #'(0 . .6) \stemUp g8\4 g16\4 a\3 bes\3 g\4
> bes8\3 g4\4 g\4 fis8\4 s s s g4 }
> IV= {\stemDown g,4\6 g,8\6 g,\6 g,\6 g,16\6 a,\6 bes,\6 g,\6 bes,\6
> c\5 d8\5 d\5 ees\5 d16\5 bes,\6
> c8\5 c\5 }
>
> As you can see, Voice.Stem and Beam are offset up, the way the lower voices
> beams are offset down, same distance.
>
> alexander
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Dec 5, 2008, Peter Nightingale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> >
> > > http://phys.uri.edu/~nigh/tab-in-lily2.pdf
> >
> > better, almost legible.
> >
> > NOt entirely familiar with Lilypond data entry yet, I assume you have
> > coded this in four voices, two each on two staves?
> >
> > Some of the flag stems are touching fret-glyphs, some are not (which is
> > better); I notice the following code:
> >
> > >\override TabStaff.TabNoteHead #'extra-offset = #'(0 . .3)
> >
> > it seems to work well for the lower voice of each stave, but the upper
> > voice seems to touch the fretglyphs; is another similar statement needed
> > for each of the two upper voices?
> >
> > is this affecting both voices in the staff, or is another needed for the
> > higher voice?
> > --
> > Dana Emery
> >
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[LUTE] Re: lilypond for tab using mac, any experienced users?
On Sat, 6 Dec 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Fri, Dec 5, 2008, Peter Nightingale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > >> http://phys.uri.edu/~nigh/tab-in-lily2.pdf > > better, almost legible. > > NOt entirely familiar with Lilypond data entry yet, I assume you have > coded this in four voices, two each on two staves? Alexander put the four voices in four variables and then combined them in one tab staff. I created two staves and associated two of those for with the top staff and two with the bottom one and combined the two staves into one score. If you look at the code you will see segments that look like this << A B >> That means that A and B run in lockstep the same time. This can be done recursively, in the sense that A and B themselves are <<...>> constructs. > Some of the flag stems are touching fret-glyphs, some are not (which is > better); I notice the following code: > >>\override TabStaff.TabNoteHead #'extra-offset = #'(0 . .3) I do not know what it means, but my guess is that you are right. > it seems to work well for the lower voice of each stave, but the upper > voice seems to touch the fretglyphs; is another similar statement needed > for each of the two upper voices? I do not know the scoping rules in detail, but I guess that each new TabStaff segment needs its own redefinitions of the defaults. You can avoid knowing the rules, by simply putting whatever you want to re-use in a variable, which you then include wherever you like > is this affecting both voices in the staff, or is another needed for the > higher voice? This is where some tweaking is needed, but once you have it you can recycle it forever. As I said before, I am a parasitic user, i.e. I just blindly duplicated what Alexander came up with. Peter. > -- > Dana Emery > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > the next auto-quote is: If only God would give me some clear sign! Like making a large deposit in my name in a Swiss bank. (Woody Allen) /\/\ Peter Nightingale Telephone (401) 874-5882 Department of Physics, East Hall Fax (401) 874-2380 University of Rhode Island Kingston, RI 02881
[LUTE] Re: lilypond for tab using mac, any experienced users?
On Sat, 6 Dec 2008, alexander wrote: > No, no, no! I am not defending Lilypond as a tab tool! Lilypond is not > intended as such, and it sucks, as such. Indeed, if Aristotle did not say it, he should have: "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." Peter. the next auto-quote is: If it turns out that there is a God, I don't think that he's evil. But the worst that you can say about him is that basically he's an underachiever. (Woody Allen) /\/\ Peter Nightingale Telephone (401) 874-5882 Department of Physics, East Hall Fax (401) 874-2380 University of Rhode Island Kingston, RI 02881 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: lilypond for tab using mac, any experienced users?
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008, Peter Nightingale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > http://phys.uri.edu/~nigh/tab-in-lily2.pdf better, almost legible. NOt entirely familiar with Lilypond data entry yet, I assume you have coded this in four voices, two each on two staves? Some of the flag stems are touching fret-glyphs, some are not (which is better); I notice the following code: >\override TabStaff.TabNoteHead #'extra-offset = #'(0 . .3) it seems to work well for the lower voice of each stave, but the upper voice seems to touch the fretglyphs; is another similar statement needed for each of the two upper voices? is this affecting both voices in the staff, or is another needed for the higher voice? -- Dana Emery To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Galliard after Laveche (William Ballet Lute Book)
Arthur Ness wrote: Jean-Marie, Can you explain how you scan a microfilm? That technique would be very handy for many of us. Commercial microfilm scanners cost several thousands of dollars, but I can use one at the library. Arthur. I use a very cheap slide scanner that I got years ago - a PrimeFilm 1800... absolutely the bottom of the market. It is not very good for actual photographic slides but it's fine for microfilm. I think you can get a cheap slide scanner for about £50 in Britain - so probably cheaper in USA. The scanner connects via USB. It's a bit fiddly and slow but once you've got a scan you can clean it up. You can zoom in on details etc. And you have a permanent record of it. It doesn't work for every microfilm though: the de Gallot guitar MS is some kind of A4, portrait shape (I don't know the technical term) and it has been photographed in landscape format. So the top and bottom is chopped off. Stuart =AJN (Boston, Mass.)= This week's free download from Classical Music Library is Berlioz's Overture to "Benvenuto Cellini," performed by the Orchestre National de Montpellier; Lionel Arnaud, conductor. . To download, click on the CML link here http://mysite.verizon.net/arthurjness/ My Web Page: Scores http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/arthurjnesslutescores/ Other Matters: http://mysite.verizon.net/arthurjness/ http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/musexx/ === - Original Message - From: "Jean-Marie Poirier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "lute" Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 7:55 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Galliard after Laveche (William Ballet Lute Book) | === 06-12-2008 13:35:22 == | >Hi, lutelisters, | > | >is there a modern edition of the "William Ballet Lute Book"? I'm after | >"A Galliard after Laveche" (Anon.), among other pieces. | > | Not that I know of... I have a microfilm copy of less than average quality, but still very useful ! | I you want I can scan the Galliard in question and send it over as anattachment to your private mailbox. | | >As always, thank you very much in advance for your help. | > | >Saludos from Barcelona, | > | >Manolo | | Saludos del oveste de Francia ! | | Jean-Marie | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://adueliuti.free.fr | 06-12-2008 | | | | | To get on or off this list see list information at | http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html | No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.14/1832 - Release Date: 05/12/2008 09:57
[LUTE] Re: lilypond for tab using mac, any experienced users?
No, no, no! I am not defending Lilypond as a tab tool! Lilypond is not intended as such, and it sucks, as such. And i use abctab only as need arise (for one, i have to compile it every time on my laptop, as abc is using old libraries and i use unstable Debian, so i use abctab and then remove it, sort of like coffee-grinds situation). Peter puzzled about a two-staff tab representation, that's all. Personally, i read the keyboard notation on the lute like any organist reads his score, right off the bat, so have no need for such a device. Really? ABCtab has "the most attractive output"? Then certainly, these people: "abctab2ps is written by Christoph Dalitz, based upon code by Michael Methfessel. Apart from these two main authors, the following persons have additionally contributed to the project (in alphabetical order, see the file CHANGES in the source distribution for details): Michael Burzan, Martin Fick, Luis Pablo Gasparotto, Werner von Hoersten, Jef Moine, Frank Nordberg, Alain Veylit, Anders Wiren, John Wright" need a bit of appreciation sent their way! p.s. cold up there, on the hill?... b alexander Ron Andrico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Hello Alex: >I am reading with some amusement your defense of Lilypond as a >tablature tool, knowing how you feel about tablature in general. I'm >particularly enjoying the irony of going to the trouble of creating a >grand staff polyphonic transcription in tablature. I still have to >agree that, having used Fronimo and Finale extensively, ABCtab has the >most attractive output, and you are probably the fastest gun in the >west when it comes to creating scores. >Best wishes, >Ron Andrico >www.mignarda.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: lilypond for tab using mac, any experienced users?
Hello Alex:
I am reading with some amusement your defense of Lilypond as a
tablature tool, knowing how you feel about tablature in general. I'm
particularly enjoying the irony of going to the trouble of creating a
grand staff polyphonic transcription in tablature. I still have to
agree that, having used Fronimo and Finale extensively, ABCtab has the
most attractive output, and you are probably the fastest gun in the
west when it comes to creating scores.
Best wishes,
Ron Andrico
www.mignarda.com
> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 07:57:46 -0500
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> CC: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: lilypond for tab using mac, any experienced
users?
>
> You know, it certainly looks like a reasonable teaching tool. Some
color can be added:
>
> I= { \override Stem #'color = #red \override Beam #'color = #red
\stemUp g'4\1 g'8\1 g'\1 \bar "|" d'4\2 d'\2 \bar "|" r8 a'\1 g'\1 f'\2
ees'\2 g'16.\1 a'32\1
> \bar "|"}
> II= {\stemDown s1 d'8\2 d'\2 bes\3 bes\3 r16 c'\3 ees'8\2 }
> III= { \override Stem #'color = #(x11-color 'LimeGreen) \override
Beam #'color = #(x11-color 'LimeGreen) \stemUp g8\4 g16\4 a\3 bes\3 g\4
bes8\3 g4\4 g\4 fis8\4 s s s g4 }
> IV= {\stemDown g,4\6 g,8\6 g,\6 g,\6 g,16\6 a,\6 bes,\6 g,\6 bes,\6
c\5 d8\5 d\5 ees\5 d16\5 bes,\6
> c8\5 c\5 }
>
> With colors, we could almost get up there with elementary school
string teachers... SlateBLue2 - what a potential!
>
> alexander
>
> Peter Nightingale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Alexander,
> >
> > Here is your FdM lilypond tab spread out over two staves:
> > http://phys.uri.edu/~nigh/tab-in-lily2.pdf
> >
> > I find it quite intriguing!
> >
> > And here is your slightly expanded lilypond code, which compiles
without
> > collision warnings:
> >
>
>
>
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[LUTE] Re: Fret replacement
There is one other possibility, for a handyman. A thin cotton thread, taken in a necessary number of layers, and then twisted (a drill or such), stretched and carefully painted with hot hide glue (add a few drops of linseed oil, to make it flexible on drying) and then dried. After a bit of practicing, a very convincing substitute for gut can be made. If nylon (old string or fishing line) is used, sand it first with some rough sandpaper, it will reduce its' cutting into the strings. alexander Omer katzir Sat, 06 Dec 2008 00:42:24 -0800 It's dry, really dry down here in Israel. and it's winter...or at least supposed to me. My gut frets are going bad, really bad. and until I'll get new ones, i need something to replace them. Now, I have guitar strings, i all sizes and shapes, I also have some old nylon lute strings. and i think i even have one A cello string, even computer cables. So...what to do? any recommendation? Thank you, Omer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Fret replacement
On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 2:05 PM, vance wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Omer: > > In a pinch you can substitute monofilament fishing line of appropriate > gauge, 30 lbs test or better. Yes, I've done that and been there. Used nylon too, but beware of especially the carbon frets, they tend to cut into the neck of your lute. That's not nice next time you're about to embark on one of your temperamental shifts. Nylon and carbon frets also tend to eat into gut strings a bit more quickly than gut frets do. David -- *** David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Galliard after Laveche (William Ballet Lute Book)
Jean-Marie, Can you explain how you scan a microfilm? That technique would be very handy for many of us. Commercial microfilm scanners cost several thousands of dollars, but I can use one at the library. Arthur. =AJN (Boston, Mass.)= This week's free download from Classical Music Library is Berlioz's Overture to "Benvenuto Cellini," performed by the Orchestre National de Montpellier; Lionel Arnaud, conductor. . To download, click on the CML link here http://mysite.verizon.net/arthurjness/ My Web Page: Scores http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/arthurjnesslutescores/ Other Matters: http://mysite.verizon.net/arthurjness/ http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/musexx/ === - Original Message - From: "Jean-Marie Poirier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "lute" Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 7:55 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Galliard after Laveche (William Ballet Lute Book) | === 06-12-2008 13:35:22 == | >Hi, lutelisters, | > | >is there a modern edition of the "William Ballet Lute Book"? I'm after | >"A Galliard after Laveche" (Anon.), among other pieces. | > | Not that I know of... I have a microfilm copy of less than average quality, but still very useful ! | I you want I can scan the Galliard in question and send it over as anattachment to your private mailbox. | | >As always, thank you very much in advance for your help. | > | >Saludos from Barcelona, | > | >Manolo | | Saludos del oveste de Francia ! | | Jean-Marie | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://adueliuti.free.fr | 06-12-2008 | | | | | To get on or off this list see list information at | http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html |
[LUTE] Re: Fret replacement
Hi Omer: In a pinch you can substitute monofilament fishing line of appropriate gauge, 30 lbs test or better. - Original Message - From: "Omer katzir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "lute-cs. dartmouth. edu" Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 3:38 AM Subject: [LUTE] Fret replacement It's dry, really dry down here in Israel. and it's winter...or at least supposed to me. My gut frets are going bad, really bad. and until I'll get new ones, i need something to replace them. Now, I have guitar strings, i all sizes and shapes, I also have some old nylon lute strings. and i think i even have one A cello string, even computer cables. So...what to do? any recommendation? Thank you, Omer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1833 - Release Date: 12/5/2008 7:08 PM
[LUTE] Re: lilypond for tab using mac, any experienced users?
You know, it certainly looks like a reasonable teaching tool. Some color can be
added:
I= { \override Stem #'color = #red \override Beam #'color = #red \stemUp
g'4\1 g'8\1 g'\1 \bar "|" d'4\2 d'\2 \bar "|" r8 a'\1 g'\1 f'\2 ees'\2 g'16.\1
a'32\1
\bar "|"}
II= {\stemDown s1 d'8\2 d'\2 bes\3 bes\3 r16 c'\3 ees'8\2 }
III= { \override Stem #'color = #(x11-color 'LimeGreen) \override Beam
#'color = #(x11-color 'LimeGreen) \stemUp g8\4 g16\4 a\3 bes\3 g\4 bes8\3 g4\4
g\4 fis8\4 s s s g4 }
IV= {\stemDown g,4\6 g,8\6 g,\6 g,\6 g,16\6 a,\6 bes,\6 g,\6 bes,\6
c\5 d8\5 d\5 ees\5 d16\5 bes,\6
c8\5 c\5 }
With colors, we could almost get up there with elementary school string
teachers... SlateBLue2 - what a potential!
alexander
Peter Nightingale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Alexander,
>
> Here is your FdM lilypond tab spread out over two staves:
> http://phys.uri.edu/~nigh/tab-in-lily2.pdf
>
> I find it quite intriguing!
>
> And here is your slightly expanded lilypond code, which compiles without
> collision warnings:
>
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[LUTE] Re: lilypond for tab using mac, any experienced users?
Daniel, I still cannot access your tablatures, and I would like very much to see them. I just get a file "miniplayer.gif" when I try to download. Your link says *.pdf, which I can read. I guess I cannot read *.GIF, although I always thought I could. I used the right click that Sean suggested. Sign me, confused. AJN =AJN (Boston, Mass.)= This week's free download from Classical Music Library is Berlioz's Overture to "Benvenuto Cellini," performed by the Orchestre National de Montpellier; Lionel Arnaud, conductor. . To download, click on the CML link here http://mysite.verizon.net/arthurjness/ My Web Page: Scores http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/arthurjnesslutescores/ Other Matters: http://mysite.verizon.net/arthurjness/ http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/musexx/ === - Original Message - From: "Daniel F Heiman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:20 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: lilypond for tab using mac, any experienced users? | Since the discussion is about music printing and publishing software, I | have to put in my 2 cents worth. | | I can claim that I am a programmer also, since I write (sometimes sloppy) | HTML, but this entry method (as in alexander's message below) is way too | much hassle for me. I will contend (and defend this contention to | whatever length someone desires in a debate) that SCORE is the ultimate | program for setting high quality tablature. Yes, Fronimo is a reasonably | well-thought-out tablature program, and Francesco has done a marvelous | job of creating beautiful and highly legible fonts, but Fronimo still | lacks the flexibility necessary for high-quality publishing, and SCORE | had that already more than twenty years ago. | | Output I created in 1989 is here: | http://lutegroup.ning.com/profile/Libertylute | Yes, I know that PDF files were not around then, but the PostScript files | I just converted into these PDFs bear creation dates of 16 July 1989. | This transcription was done a few weeks after I acquired the program, so | I used a standard font (Zapf Chancery). Remember, you couldn't just | download any font you want off the Internet in those days -- it took a | while to locate and purchase ware back then. I was obviously not | completely satisfied with the solution for the "d" tablature character, | since I used a couple of different versions. Now days, lots of nice tab | fonts are available, and it is much less difficult to create your own | than it was then. The point here is the spacing of the music and the | page layout in general. Any almost infinitesimal variation in staff size | and placement is available. Any almost infinitesimal variation in the | size and location of any object on the staff is available. Each object on | the page, including each character, has its own parameters, and they are | editable by the user. The horizontal spacing of the ojects on a staff is | done with a simple letter command (LJ, for "line up and justify"), | generating this effortless-appearing layout. | | Regards, | Daniel Heiman | | On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 19:54:24 -0500 alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | > Lilypond is not in the lute tablature business. However, the | > abctab2ps - is. For the love of VIm - it is perfect. This file: | > | > X:1 | > T:Lacrimae | > C:Dowland, 1600 | > L:1/4 | > M:C| | > K:Bb | > %%pageheight 11 in | > %%staffwidth 7.7 in | > %%titlespace 0.2 in | > %%musicspace 0.2 in | > %%staffsep 0.5 in | > %%systemsep 0.5 in | > %%indent 0.5 in | > %%leftmargin .5 in | > %%tabfontsize 11 | > %%tabfontscale 1.4 | > %%barnumbers 0 | > %%scale 0.7 | > %%taballflags=f | > %%strictness1 0.5 | > % | > V:1 clef=alto name=Viol | > V:2 clef=frenchtab name=Lute | > % | > %System 1 | > [V:1] g3 f/e/ d2 b4 a g ^f4 | g2 d3 dff | e2 c2 d3 a | b2g2a2f2 | g1 | > b3/2 a/ g1 ^f2 b2 | | > [V:2] [,,bcca3] ,,a1 [,,bc,a] ,,d ,a ,,,a [,,,cd] ,,d/,,b ,,d2 | > [,aa,c] ,a |\ | > [,,bcca1] ,a a ,a [,d,,,d/],b,a,,d [,ab,,d1] ,,a | | > [,,d,a] ,,b [,,a,d] ,,,c [,,a,c] ,,,c ,,,b2 |\ | > [,,,c,a1] ,a3/2 ,,d/ [,abc],c [,daa1] ,,d [,aa,c2]| [,,,cd1] | > ,a ,,d2 [,aa,c] [,ab,,d1] ,d | | > %System 2 | > [V:1] a g g3 ^f/=e/ ^f2 | g8 || \ | > g/G/B/c/ d/e/c/d/ B/c/A/B/ G/A/B/c/ d/c/B/A/ G/A//B// A/G/ | > [V:2] [,bd,a] ,,b [,,ded] ,,,c [,,a,c] ,a2 ,,d1 |\ | > [,,ccca3/2] ,b/ ,a ,,d ,,c ,,a [,ac,,a1] ,,,c ,a2 ||\ | > [,,bcca3] ,,a1 [,,bc,a] ,,d ,a ,,,a [,,,cd] ,,d/,,b | > %System 3 | > [V:1] ^F/D/[K:bass]A/d/ D/[K:alto]d//c// d//c//B//A// |\ | > B//A//G//F// G//F//G//A// B/>A/ G//A//B//c// d//c//B//A// | > B//c//d//e// f/>e/ d//f//e//d// |\ | > e/>d/ e//d//c//B// c/d/e/c/ | > [V:2] ,,d2 [,aa,c] ,a |\ | > [,,bcca1] ,a a ,a [,d,,,d/],b,a,,d [,ab,,d1] ,,a | [,,d,a] ,,b | > [,,a,d] ,,,c | > %System 4 | > [V:1] d/A/^F/D/ [K:bass] D/d/ a/g//a// |\ | > b/g/d/G/ [
[LUTE] Re: Galliard after Laveche (William Ballet Lute Book)
=== 06-12-2008 13:35:22 == >Hi, lutelisters, > >is there a modern edition of the "William Ballet Lute Book"? I'm after >"A Galliard after Laveche" (Anon.), among other pieces. > Not that I know of... I have a microfilm copy of less than average quality, but still very useful ! I you want I can scan the Galliard in question and send it over as anattachment to your private mailbox. >As always, thank you very much in advance for your help. > >Saludos from Barcelona, > >Manolo Saludos del oveste de Francia ! Jean-Marie [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://adueliuti.free.fr 06-12-2008 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Galliard after Laveche (William Ballet Lute Book)
Hi, lutelisters, is there a modern edition of the "William Ballet Lute Book"? I'm after "A Galliard after Laveche" (Anon.), among other pieces. As always, thank you very much in advance for your help. Saludos from Barcelona, Manolo To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Fret replacement
It's dry, really dry down here in Israel. and it's winter...or at least supposed to me. My gut frets are going bad, really bad. and until I'll get new ones, i need something to replace them. Now, I have guitar strings, i all sizes and shapes, I also have some old nylon lute strings. and i think i even have one A cello string, even computer cables. So...what to do? any recommendation? Thank you, Omer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
