[LUTE] Odp: Re: Other de Gallots....
Dear friends, Dnia 20-03-2011 o godz. 16:23 mathias.roe...@t-online.de napisał(a): > Dear Martyn, Grzegorz, Martin, > > the Gallots seemingly were quite a large family, that much seems to be > true ... I only tried to make clear that Jacques was the name of at > least two members of the gang. > > I still have at least two questions. > > 1. The print of Pieces de Luth Composees sur differents Modes is more > often than not dated ca. 1670. But if the allemande Le Bout that it > contains, was taken from Denis Gaultier's second print, Livre de > tablature etc., then it must be after 1672. Correct? Probably yes. I did not examined and played these pieces. > > 2. If Antoine and Alexandre were often confused, then who is the author > of Le Canon contained in the Milleran ms.? This is good question. But the main problem is we know not much about Antoine Gallot’s music. More evidence could be find about Alexander. Both died before compiled Ms. Milleran (dated in among other things in Meyer to ca. 1690), so it could be no possibilities to find there autograph by Antoine and Alexander. But we possess traces which indicate to Alexander: e.g. concordances, style his music and inscriptions - there are some helpful traces to know his music. So e.g. for Le Canon in ms. Milleran (f. 30v) we have two concordances ( http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=2&type=ms&lang=deu&ms=F-Pn823&st=0 ). One from there is very interesting: F-B279152 (p. 15). There are inscription with Vieux Gallot. But in his time it was normal to get pieces from others composers. When we examine others pieces by Vieux Gallot and Alaxander Gallot we could conclude that mentioned Le Canon could be attribute to Alexander. Result of this kind of work you could find in mentioned OEuvres des Gallot, [CLF], Paris 1987 and e.g. Gallot Jacques, Pieces de Luth, ed. François Lesure, Faksimile, Genève 1978 (reprint). Sometimes it is very hard to determine which one Gallot wrote some pieces even we have this some traces, because in one source we could find attribute to one Gallot in other source to other Gallot, like in La canon example. But still too few evidence to could compare music by Antoine Gallot with other composers. > > Mathias And Martin, you mentiond about 'Tombeau de Charles De Gallot par De Gallot d'Irelande'. This article could be intersting also for you: M. Rollin, Le “tombeau" chez les luthistes Denis Gautier, Jacques Gallot, Charles Mouton, "XVIIe siècle“, (1954) no. 21-22, pp. 463-79. Best wishes Grzegorz > > -Original-Nachricht- > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Odp: Other de Gallots > > Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 15:40:26 +0100 > > From: Martyn Hodgson > > To: Grzegorz Joachimiak > > Cc: lute List , Martin Shepherd > > > > > > > What about the guitar de Gallot: Henri Francois de Gallot (ignore the > > computer glich below). The dates in the Ms (Oxford, Bodleian Library, > > Ms. Mus.Sch. C.94) suggest it was complied between 1660 and 1684 and > > in England. > > > > There's also possibly even more plucking de Gallots, since on f. 128 > > is a 'Tombeau de Charles De Gallot par De Gallot d'Irelande' > > suggesting two more in addition to Henri Francois.. > > > > The 'de Gallot d'Angleterre' mentioned in the Ms is probably Henri > > Francois himself, but if not then yet another one surfaces. > > > > MH > > ' > > --- On Sun, 20/3/11, Grzegorz Joachimiak wrote: > > From: Grzegorz Joachimiak > > Subject: Odp: [LUTE] Other de Gallots > > To: "Martyn Hodgson" , > > mathias.roe...@t-online.de > > Cc: "lute List" , "Martin Shepherd" > > > > Date: Sunday, 20 March, 2011, 14:17 > > > > Dear Martin and Mathias, > > I would like to pay your attention that Antoine Gallot who died in > > 1647 in Vilnius was not the same person as Gallot d'Angers. Jacques > > Gallot (I) was NOT brother to Antoine Gallot. This is one of main > > problem with to determine which evidence indicate to any connection > > between Antoine Gallot and rest of Gallot's family (apart from his > > name). > > Probably you confused Antoine with Alexandre so-called older Gallot > > (Le vieux Gallot d'Angers). Alexandre was probably Jacques Gallot's > > (I, so-called vieux Gallot de Paris) cousin (M. Rollin) or brother > > (MGG). > > Antoine Gallot was connected with Marco Scacchi's band. In his > > appendix (Xenia apollinea) to Cribrum Musicum (Venice 1643) we could > > find one piece titled "Canon a 2" by "Dn. Antonij Gallot." > > More informations about Antoine and especially rest of Gallot's family > > you could find in > > M. Rollin, OEuvres des Gallot, [CLF], Paris 1987 and in "Gallot" > > entries in MGG2 and New Grove Dictionary. > > Have a nice afternnon > > Grzegorz > > Dnia 20-03-2011 o godz. 13:58 Martyn Hodgson napisaAA'(a): > > >Dear Martin, > > > > > >The guitar composing de Gallot is Henry FranAS:ois de Gallot who > > wrote > > >(probably between
[LUTE] Re: Other de Gallots....
According to the title page Ms. Mus.Sch. C.94 was actually copied by Gallot's "tres humbles et affectionne seruitur Monnier". The pieces are by at least two Gallot - Gallot d'Angleterre and Gallot d'Irlande, possibly others. Monica - Original Message - From: "Martyn Hodgson" To: ; "Martin Shepherd" Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 12:58 PM Subject: [LUTE] Other de Gallots Dear Martin, The guitar composing de Gallot is Henry FranAS:ois de Gallot who wrote (probably between 1660 and 1670) the large and distinctive Ms now in the Bodleian: Pieces de guittarre de differendes autheures recueillis par Pieces de guittarre de differendes autheures recueillis par Henry FranAS:ois de Gallot (Oxford, Bodleian Library, Ms. Mus.Sch. C.94). Martyn --- On Sun, 20/3/11, mathias.roe...@t-online.de wrote: From: mathias.roe...@t-online.de Subject: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Re: Jacques Gallot and Francesco da Milano To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Sunday, 20 March, 2011, 12:08 Let me try. Jacques Gallot (I) was brother to Antoine Gallot. Antoine (Gallot d'Angers) died 1647 in Vilnius, Jacques (I) (Gallot de Paris) died around 1685 in Paris. Both were called Gallot le vieux. Jacques Gallot (I) was lute teacher to Sebastien de Brossard (b. 1654) in Paris. The Milleran ms. hearkens back to him. He bequeathes music by his brother as well as music by the Gaultiers. Antoine Gallot's courante Le Canon (in Milleran) is reflected by a courante of the same name and model by Denis Gaultier (Barbe, p 1). Jacques (II) Gallot, called le jeune, was born around 1640 in Paris and died there around 1700. Boetticher guessed that Jacques (II) was a son to Antoine Gallot. The print "Pieces de Luth Composees sur differens Modes par J. G. Auec les folies d'Espagnes etc" (Paris probably 1670) is his work. So far ... Mathias -Original-Nachricht- > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Jacques Gallot and Francesco da Milano > Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 11:16:51 +0100 > From: Martin Shepherd <[1]mar...@luteshop.co.uk> > To: [2]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Thanks, I'd forgotten that. Can you help us out by telling us > something about which is which? I'm thinking mostly of the printed > book, and the music in the Barbe MS - and it would be interesting to > know if they are by different composers. Isn't there also guitar > music, or is that yet another Gallot? > > Martin > > On 20/03/2011 00:25, Mathias Roesel wrote: > > > Erm aEUR| there were two aEUR| > > > > Mathias > > > >> -UrsprA 1/4ngliche Nachricht- > >> Von: [3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] > Im >> Auftrag von Martin Shepherd > >> Gesendet: Samstag, 19. MACURrz 2011 12:41 > >> An: Lute List > >> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Jacques Gallot and Francesco da Milano > >> > >> > >> Yes, I agree! > >> > >> Martin > >> > >> On 18/03/2011 22:46, wikla wrote: > >>> Original Message > >>> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Jacques Gallot and Francesco da Milano >>> > Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 23:29:00 +0200 > >>> From: wikla<[5]wi...@cs.helsinki.fi> > >>> To: [6]baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu > >>> > >>> Dear baroque lutenists, > >>> > >>> after having check-played through quite a few pieces by Jacques > >>> Gallot, I've come to the conclusion (that means this is my > subjective >>> opininion, of > >>> course!) that Jacques really is one of the great lute composers - > in >>> the level of F. da Milano, Dowland, E. Gaultier and such). And > what >>> especially came to mind, is that J. Gallot in a way tastes > same as >>> Francesco da Milano > >>> - about 150 years later: very economic writing, actually in > extrem, >>> very clever ideas of melody and harmony, extremely very > well written >>> to the instrument, its tuning, and to the fingers of > both hands of the >>> player. Not to speak of the enjoyment to the > ears and understanding. > >>> > >>> So Jacques is thus taken to my heaven of lute geniuses! :-) >>> > >>> Recommended! > >>> > >>> All the best, > >>> > >>> Arto > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> To get on or off this list see list information at > >>> [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > > > -- References 1. http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mar...@luteshop.co.uk 2. http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wi...@cs.helsinki.fi 6. http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] (Brief) Lute sighting
We went to see Rango yesterday. The film features a Greek chorus in the form of a Mariachi band made up of four owls with Mexican accents. At one point Rango and the townspeople of Dirt attempt to get close to the bad guys by putting on a "thespian performance". The owl guitarist (who also plays banjo in The Flight of the Valykyries) briefly switches to lute and the band plays a snippet of Sellinger's Round. It went by so fast I thought I might have imagined it, but Ekko saw it too. Many jokes over the head of children. How many kids are familiar with Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, or Chinatown? ..Bob To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Fw: Wandervögel Songs
Hello, I should notify all that Martyn's system detected a Trojan horse virus when trying to open my link. Apologies, and use with caution. Best, Chris. On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 8:17 PM, Christopher Stetson <[1]christophertstet...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi, all, I'm interested, if only obliquely, as part of an interest in early 20th c. guitar, so thanks for posting this Arthur. In case anyone else is, I'll take the opportunity to remind the list of this that I put up awhile ago in response to some questions about Wandervogel laute: [1][2]http://www.scribd.com/doc/31168462/Alte-und-Neue-Lieder-German -songs -for-laute-and-voice. I didn't check for any concordances. Best to all, and keep playing, Chris. On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 7:18 PM, A. J. Ness <[2][3]arthurjn...@verizon.net> wrote: Subject: Wandervoegel Songs Some of you may be interested in this collection in several volumes with hundreds of songs (alas arranged for piano, but originally for lute-guitar): [1][3][4]http://hdl.handle.net/1802/14257 Publication Name: Was die Wandervögel singen ... für Klavier bearbeitet und herausgegeben von Hermann Krome. Illustriert von Paul Telemann. Band I-IV. Arranger:Krome, Hermann (1888 - 1955) Is anyone out there interested in this repertory? Roman? -- References 1. [4][5]http://hdl.handle.net/1802/14257 To get on or off this list see list information at [5][6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. [7]http://www.scribd.com/doc/31168462/Alte-und-Neue-Lieder-German-so ngs-for-laute-and-voice 2. mailto:[8]arthurjn...@verizon.net 3. [9]http://hdl.handle.net/1802/14257 4. [10]http://hdl.handle.net/1802/14257 5. [11]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:christophertstet...@gmail.com 2. http://www.scribd.com/doc/31168462/Alte-und-Neue-Lieder-German-songs 3. mailto:arthurjn...@verizon.net 4. http://hdl.handle.net/1802/14257 5. http://hdl.handle.net/1802/14257 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 7. http://www.scribd.com/doc/31168462/Alte-und-Neue-Lieder-German-songs-for-laute-and-voice 8. mailto:arthurjn...@verizon.net 9. http://hdl.handle.net/1802/14257 10. http://hdl.handle.net/1802/14257 11. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Re: Pieces of Melchior Neusidler in the Web?
See also http://www.gerbode.net/ft2= /composers/MNewsidler/saltarello/ Mathias -Original-Nachricht- > Subject: [LUTE] Re: = Pieces of Melchior Neusidler in the Web? > Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 = 16:06:07 +0100 > From: Hilbert Joerg > To: Andreas Schroth > Cc: lute List > Dear A= ndreas, > > it's not the web, but two or three of = those pieces are part of he > supplement of Lauteninfo of the Deut= schen Lautengesellschaft 4/2010 > (french tab.). > Best, = Joerg > > > > > Am 20.= 03.2011 um 15:27 schrieb Andreas Schroth: > > >= ; > Dear collected wisdom, are there some pieces by Melchior Neusidler > > in tabulatur (italian or french) in the net?( I know, there = are some > > printed facsimiles) > > Thank You all!= > > Yours > > Andreas Schroth, Berlin, Germany > > > > > > > > To get on o= r off this list see list information at > > http://www.cs.dartm= outh.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > >= > > To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Other de Gallots....
Dear Martyn, Grzegorz, Martin, the Gallots seemingly were quite a large family, that much seems to be true ... I only tried to make clear that Jacques was the name of at least two members of the gang. I still have at least two questions. 1. The print of Pieces de Luth Composees sur differents Modes is more often than not dated ca. 1670. But if the allemande Le Bout that it contains, was taken from Denis Gaultier's second print, Livre de tablature etc., then it must be after 1672. Correct? 2. If Antoine and Alexandre were often confused, then who is the author of Le Canon contained in the Milleran ms.? Mathias -Original-Nachricht- > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Odp: Other de Gallots > Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 15:40:26 +0100 > From: Martyn Hodgson > To: Grzegorz Joachimiak > Cc: lute List , Martin Shepherd > > > What about the guitar de Gallot: Henri Francois de Gallot (ignore the > computer glich below). The dates in the Ms (Oxford, Bodleian Library, > Ms. Mus.Sch. C.94) suggest it was complied between 1660 and 1684 and > in England. > > There's also possibly even more plucking de Gallots, since on f. 128 > is a 'Tombeau de Charles De Gallot par De Gallot d'Irelande' > suggesting two more in addition to Henri Francois.. > > The 'de Gallot d'Angleterre' mentioned in the Ms is probably Henri > Francois himself, but if not then yet another one surfaces. > > MH > ' > --- On Sun, 20/3/11, Grzegorz Joachimiak wrote: > From: Grzegorz Joachimiak > Subject: Odp: [LUTE] Other de Gallots > To: "Martyn Hodgson" , > mathias.roe...@t-online.de > Cc: "lute List" , "Martin Shepherd" > > Date: Sunday, 20 March, 2011, 14:17 > > Dear Martin and Mathias, > I would like to pay your attention that Antoine Gallot who died in > 1647 in Vilnius was not the same person as Gallot d'Angers. Jacques > Gallot (I) was NOT brother to Antoine Gallot. This is one of main > problem with to determine which evidence indicate to any connection > between Antoine Gallot and rest of Gallot's family (apart from his > name). > Probably you confused Antoine with Alexandre so-called older Gallot > (Le vieux Gallot d'Angers). Alexandre was probably Jacques Gallot's > (I, so-called vieux Gallot de Paris) cousin (M. Rollin) or brother > (MGG). > Antoine Gallot was connected with Marco Scacchi's band. In his > appendix (Xenia apollinea) to Cribrum Musicum (Venice 1643) we could > find one piece titled "Canon a 2" by "Dn. Antonij Gallot." > More informations about Antoine and especially rest of Gallot's family > you could find in > M. Rollin, OEuvres des Gallot, [CLF], Paris 1987 and in "Gallot" > entries in MGG2 and New Grove Dictionary. > Have a nice afternnon > Grzegorz > Dnia 20-03-2011 o godz. 13:58 Martyn Hodgson napisaAA'(a): > >Dear Martin, > > > >The guitar composing de Gallot is Henry FranAS:ois de Gallot who > wrote > >(probably between 1660 and 1670) the large and distinctive Ms > now in > >the Bodleian: Pieces de guittarre de differendes autheures > recueillis > >par Pieces de guittarre de differendes autheures recueillis par > Henry > >FranAS:ois de Gallot (Oxford, Bodleian Library, Ms. Mus.Sch. > C.94). > > > >Martyn > > > >--- On Sun, 20/3/11, [1]mathias.roe...@t-online.de > ><[2]mathias.roe...@t-online.de> wrote: > > > > From: [3]mathias.roe...@t-online.de > <[4]mathias.roe...@t-online.de> > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Re: Jacques Gallot and Francesco da > > Milano > > To: [5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > > Date: Sunday, 20 March, 2011, 12:08 > > > >Let me try. > >Jacques Gallot (I) was brother to Antoine Gallot. Antoine (Gallot > >d'Angers) died 1647 in Vilnius, Jacques (I) (Gallot de Paris) > died >around 1685 in Paris. Both were called Gallot le vieux. > >Jacques Gallot (I) was lute teacher to Sebastien de Brossard (b. > 1654) > >in Paris. The Milleran ms. hearkens back to him. He bequeathes > music by > >his brother as well as music by the Gaultiers. Antoine Gallot's > >courante Le Canon (in Milleran) is reflected by a courante of > the same > >name and model by Denis Gaultier (Barbe, p 1). > >Jacques (II) Gallot, called le jeune, was born around 1640 in > Paris and > >died there around 1700. Boetticher guessed that Jacques (II) was > a son > >to Antoine Gallot. The print "Pieces de Luth Composees sur > differens > >Modes par J. G. Auec les folies d'Espagnes etc" (Paris probably > 1670) > >is his work. > >So far ... > >Mathias > >-Original-Nachricht- > >> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Jacques Gallot and Francesco da Milano > > > Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 11:16:51 +0100 > >> From: Martin Shepherd <[1][6]mar...@luteshop.co.uk> > >> To: [2][7]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > >> Thanks, I'd forgotten that. Can you help us out by telling us > >> something abo
[LUTE] Re: Pieces of Melchior Neusidler in the Web?
Dear Andreas, it’s not the web, but two or three of those pieces are part of he supplement of Lauteninfo of the Deutschen Lautengesellschaft 4/2010 (french tab.). Best, Jörg Am 20.03.2011 um 15:27 schrieb Andreas Schroth: > Dear collected wisdom, are there some pieces by Melchior Neusidler in > tabulatur (italian or french) > in the net?( I know, there are some printed facsimiles) > Thank You all! > Yours > Andreas Schroth, Berlin, Germany > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Odp: Other de Gallots....
What about the guitar de Gallot: Henri Francois de Gallot (ignore the computer glich below). The dates in the Ms (Oxford, Bodleian Library, Ms. Mus.Sch. C.94) suggest it was complied between 1660 and 1684 and in England. There's also possibly even more plucking de Gallots, since on f. 128 is a 'Tombeau de Charles De Gallot par De Gallot d'Irelande' suggesting two more in addition to Henri Francois.. The 'de Gallot d'Angleterre' mentioned in the Ms is probably Henri Francois himself, but if not then yet another one surfaces. MH ' --- On Sun, 20/3/11, Grzegorz Joachimiak wrote: From: Grzegorz Joachimiak Subject: Odp: [LUTE] Other de Gallots To: "Martyn Hodgson" , mathias.roe...@t-online.de Cc: "lute List" , "Martin Shepherd" Date: Sunday, 20 March, 2011, 14:17 Dear Martin and Mathias, I would like to pay your attention that Antoine Gallot who died in 1647 in Vilnius was not the same person as Gallot d'Angers. Jacques Gallot (I) was NOT brother to Antoine Gallot. This is one of main problem with to determine which evidence indicate to any connection between Antoine Gallot and rest of Gallot's family (apart from his name). Probably you confused Antoine with Alexandre so-called older Gallot (Le vieux Gallot d'Angers). Alexandre was probably Jacques Gallot's (I, so-called vieux Gallot de Paris) cousin (M. Rollin) or brother (MGG). Antoine Gallot was connected with Marco Scacchi's band. In his appendix (Xenia apollinea) to Cribrum Musicum (Venice 1643) we could find one piece titled "Canon a 2" by "Dn. Antonij Gallot." More informations about Antoine and especially rest of Gallot's family you could find in M. Rollin, OEuvres des Gallot, [CLF], Paris 1987 and in "Gallot" entries in MGG2 and New Grove Dictionary. Have a nice afternnon Grzegorz Dnia 20-03-2011 o godz. 13:58 Martyn Hodgson napisaAA'(a): >Dear Martin, > >The guitar composing de Gallot is Henry FranAS:ois de Gallot who wrote >(probably between 1660 and 1670) the large and distinctive Ms now in >the Bodleian: Pieces de guittarre de differendes autheures recueillis >par Pieces de guittarre de differendes autheures recueillis par Henry >FranAS:ois de Gallot (Oxford, Bodleian Library, Ms. Mus.Sch. C.94). > >Martyn > >--- On Sun, 20/3/11, [1]mathias.roe...@t-online.de ><[2]mathias.roe...@t-online.de> wrote: > > From: [3]mathias.roe...@t-online.de <[4]mathias.roe...@t-online.de> > Subject: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Re: Jacques Gallot and Francesco da > Milano > To: [5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Date: Sunday, 20 March, 2011, 12:08 > >Let me try. >Jacques Gallot (I) was brother to Antoine Gallot. Antoine (Gallot >d'Angers) died 1647 in Vilnius, Jacques (I) (Gallot de Paris) died >around 1685 in Paris. Both were called Gallot le vieux. >Jacques Gallot (I) was lute teacher to Sebastien de Brossard (b. 1654) >in Paris. The Milleran ms. hearkens back to him. He bequeathes music by >his brother as well as music by the Gaultiers. Antoine Gallot's >courante Le Canon (in Milleran) is reflected by a courante of the same >name and model by Denis Gaultier (Barbe, p 1). >Jacques (II) Gallot, called le jeune, was born around 1640 in Paris and >died there around 1700. Boetticher guessed that Jacques (II) was a son >to Antoine Gallot. The print "Pieces de Luth Composees sur differens >Modes par J. G. Auec les folies d'Espagnes etc" (Paris probably 1670) >is his work. >So far ... >Mathias >-Original-Nachricht- >> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Jacques Gallot and Francesco da Milano >> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 11:16:51 +0100 >> From: Martin Shepherd <[1][6]mar...@luteshop.co.uk> >> To: [2][7]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu >> Thanks, I'd forgotten that. Can you help us out by telling us >> something about which is which? I'm thinking mostly of the printed >> book, and the music in the Barbe MS - and it would be interesting to >> know if they are by different composers. Isn't there also guitar >> music, or is that yet another Gallot? >> >> Martin >> >> On 20/03/2011 00:25, Mathias Roesel wrote: >> >> > Erm aEUR| there were two aEUR| >> > >> > Mathias >> > >> >> -UrsprA 1/4ngliche Nachricht- >> >> Von: [3][8]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu >[mailto:[4][9]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] >> Im >> Auftrag von Martin Shepherd >> >> Gesendet: Samstag, 19. MACURrz 2011 12:41 >> >> An: Lute List >> >> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Jacques Gallot and Francesco da Milano >> >> >> >> >> >> Yes, I agr
[LUTE] Re: Odp: lute poems
Dear Ned, I know that polish language it could be problem and everybody should know English. But know Poland is slowly changing. More and more people speak English and even ein bisschen auf Deutsch:) Pozdrawiam Grzegorz Dnia 20-03-2011 o godz. 15:12 Edward Mast napisał(a): > Very nice photos, Thomas. Many years ago, with my very limited German, > I knew I could go into any restaurant and get "Ein Bier, bitte". > -Ned > On Mar 20, 2011, at 3:32 AM, Thomas Schall wrote: > > > Hi Grzegorz, > > > > I really loved the tour through eastern Poland. It was an adventure > > because nearly nobody spoke english or german or any other language I > > understand. So even ordering a Pizza would become a challenge (while > > ordering beer hasn't been a problem - so the supply of the really > > important foods has been given) :-) > > > > The people there have been very helpful, though. > > > > Really a beautiful country you live in - I hope I can return very soon > > with a little bit more time to visit places I missed last year. > > > > The palace of Pulawy is a great place to perform. > > > > Some more fotos of my Poland tour are on flickr > > (http://www.flickr.com/photos/lautenist/sets/72157624472837526/) > > > > Best wishes > > > > Thomas > > > > Am Sonntag, 20. Maerz 2011, um 01.58:09 schrieben Sie: > > > >> Hi Thomas, > > > >> > > > >> thank you for link to your homepage. > > > >> > > > >> By the way, there are nice photos from Poland in Kazimierz Dolny, > > Pulawy > > > >> and surroundings. I love it this place! You are lucky man that you > > did > > > >> play in these interiors. > > > >> > > > >> Bests > > > >> > > > >> Grzegorz > > > >> > > > >> Dnia 19-03-2011 o godz. 23:03 Thomas Schall napisa^3(a): > > > >>> Hi all, > > > >>> > > > >>> I've redisigned my homepage (http://www.lautenist.de) and would > > like > > > >>> to ask if some of you know poems related to the lute which are not > > > >>> listed on my page. > > > >>> > > > >>> Thanks for your help and all the best > > > >>> -- > > > >>> > > > >>> Thomas Schall > > > >>> > > > >>> Doerflistrasse 2 > > > >>> > > > >>> CH-6078 Lungern > > > >>> > > > >>> +41 41 678 00 79 > > > >>> > > > >>> lauten...@lautenist.de > > > >>> -- > > > >>> > > > >>> To get on or off this list see list information at > > > >>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > -- > > > > Thomas Schall > > > > Doerflistrasse 2 > > > > CH-6078 Lungern > > > > +41 41 678 00 79 > > > > lauten...@lautenist.de > > -- > >
[LUTE] Pieces of Melchior Neusidler in the Web?
Dear collected wisdom, are there some pieces by Melchior Neusidler in tabulatur (italian or french) in the net?( I know, there are some printed facsimiles) Thank You all! Yours Andreas Schroth, Berlin, Germany To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] AW: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Re: Wandervögel Songs
Hello, I just scanned a wonderful small "Wandervogel Lautenbuch" from 1913. It is by Alfred Kurella (see: wikipedia), who was later a functionary in the GDR. You can download the pdf-file (22 mb)here: http://www.mediafire.com/?dxceoidm4p4xfmi Greetings wolfgang -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von mathias.roe...@t-online.de Gesendet: Sonntag, 20. März 2011 11:27 An: A. J. Ness; Lute List Betreff: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Re: Wandervögel Songs You'll have all the tunes and lyrics from this edition, at least. But these are adaptations for the keyboard, definitely no more feasible on the lute. Quite a few copies of Der Zupfgeigenhandel are still floating around ( http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_Zupfgeigenhansl ), why not take one of those. Mathias > Some of you may be interested in this collection in several volumes > with hundreds of songs (alas arranged for piano, but originally for > lute-guitar): > > [1]http://hdl.handle.net/1802/14257 > > Publication Name: Was die Wandervögel singen ... für > Klavier bearbeitet und herausgegeben von Hermann Krome. Illustriert > von Paul Telemann. Band I-IV. > Arranger:Krome, Hermann (1888 - 1955) > > Is anyone out there interested in this repertory? Roman? > References > > 1. http://hdl.handle.net/1802/14257 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Odp: Other de Gallots....
Dear Martin and Mathias, I would like to pay your attention that Antoine Gallot who died in 1647 in Vilnius was not the same person as Gallot d'Angers. Jacques Gallot (I) was NOT brother to Antoine Gallot. This is one of main problem with to determine which evidence indicate to any connection between Antoine Gallot and rest of Gallot's family (apart from his name). Probably you confused Antoine with Alexandre so-called older Gallot (Le vieux Gallot d’Angers). Alexandre was probably Jacques Gallot's (I, so-called vieux Gallot de Paris) cousin (M. Rollin) or brother (MGG). Antoine Gallot was connected with Marco Scacchi's band. In his appendix (Xenia apollinea) to Cribrum Musicum (Venice 1643) we could find one piece titled "Canon a 2" by "Dn. Antonij Gallot." More informations about Antoine and especially rest of Gallot's family you could find in M. Rollin, OEuvres des Gallot, [CLF], Paris 1987 and in "Gallot" entries in MGG2 and New Grove Dictionary. Have a nice afternnon Grzegorz Dnia 20-03-2011 o godz. 13:58 Martyn Hodgson napisał(a): >Dear Martin, > >The guitar composing de Gallot is Henry FranAS:ois de Gallot who wrote >(probably between 1660 and 1670) the large and distinctive Ms now in >the Bodleian: Pieces de guittarre de differendes autheures recueillis >par Pieces de guittarre de differendes autheures recueillis par Henry >FranAS:ois de Gallot (Oxford, Bodleian Library, Ms. Mus.Sch. C.94). > >Martyn > >--- On Sun, 20/3/11, mathias.roe...@t-online.de > wrote: > > From: mathias.roe...@t-online.de > Subject: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Re: Jacques Gallot and Francesco da > Milano > To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Date: Sunday, 20 March, 2011, 12:08 > >Let me try. >Jacques Gallot (I) was brother to Antoine Gallot. Antoine (Gallot >d'Angers) died 1647 in Vilnius, Jacques (I) (Gallot de Paris) died >around 1685 in Paris. Both were called Gallot le vieux. >Jacques Gallot (I) was lute teacher to Sebastien de Brossard (b. 1654) >in Paris. The Milleran ms. hearkens back to him. He bequeathes music by >his brother as well as music by the Gaultiers. Antoine Gallot's >courante Le Canon (in Milleran) is reflected by a courante of the same >name and model by Denis Gaultier (Barbe, p 1). >Jacques (II) Gallot, called le jeune, was born around 1640 in Paris and >died there around 1700. Boetticher guessed that Jacques (II) was a son >to Antoine Gallot. The print "Pieces de Luth Composees sur differens >Modes par J. G. Auec les folies d'Espagnes etc" (Paris probably 1670) >is his work. >So far ... >Mathias >-Original-Nachricht- >> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Jacques Gallot and Francesco da Milano >> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 11:16:51 +0100 >> From: Martin Shepherd <[1]mar...@luteshop.co.uk> >> To: [2]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu >> Thanks, I'd forgotten that. Can you help us out by telling us >> something about which is which? I'm thinking mostly of the printed >> book, and the music in the Barbe MS - and it would be interesting to >> know if they are by different composers. Isn't there also guitar >> music, or is that yet another Gallot? >> >> Martin >> >> On 20/03/2011 00:25, Mathias Roesel wrote: >> >> > Erm aEUR| there were two aEUR| >> > >> > Mathias >> > >> >> -UrsprA 1/4ngliche Nachricht- >> >> Von: [3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu >[mailto:[4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] >> Im >> Auftrag von Martin Shepherd >> >> Gesendet: Samstag, 19. MACURrz 2011 12:41 >> >> An: Lute List >> >> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Jacques Gallot and Francesco da Milano >> >> >> >> >> >> Yes, I agree! >> >> >> >> Martin >> >> >> >> On 18/03/2011 22:46, wikla wrote: >> >>> Original Message >> >>> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Jacques Gallot and Francesco da Milano >>>> >> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 23:29:00 +0200 >> >>> From: wikla<[5]wi...@cs.helsinki.fi> >> >>> To: [6]baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu >> >>> >> >>> Dear baroque lutenists, >> >>> >> >>> after having check-played through quite a few pieces by Jacques >> >>> Gallot, I've come to the conclusion (that means this is my >> subjective >>> opininion, of >> >>> course!) that Jacques really is one of the great lute composers - >> in >>> the level of F. da Milano, Dowland, E. Gaultier and such). And >> what >>> especially came to mind, is that J. Gallot in a way tastes >> same as >>> Francesco da Milano >> >>> - about 150 years later: very economic writing, actually in >> extrem, >>> very clever ideas of melody and harmony, extremely very >> well written >>> to the instrument, its tuning, and to the fingers of >> both hands of the >>> player. Not to speak of the enjoyment to the >> ears and understanding. >> >>> >> >>> So Jacque
[LUTE] Re: Odp: lute poems
Very nice photos, Thomas. Many years ago, with my very limited German, I knew I could go into any restaurant and get "Ein Bier, bitte". -Ned On Mar 20, 2011, at 3:32 AM, Thomas Schall wrote: > Hi Grzegorz, > > I really loved the tour through eastern Poland. It was an adventure > because nearly nobody spoke english or german or any other language I > understand. So even ordering a Pizza would become a challenge (while > ordering beer hasn't been a problem - so the supply of the really > important foods has been given) :-) > > The people there have been very helpful, though. > > Really a beautiful country you live in - I hope I can return very soon > with a little bit more time to visit places I missed last year. > > The palace of Pulawy is a great place to perform. > > Some more fotos of my Poland tour are on flickr > (http://www.flickr.com/photos/lautenist/sets/72157624472837526/) > > Best wishes > > Thomas > > Am Sonntag, 20. Maerz 2011, um 01.58:09 schrieben Sie: > >> Hi Thomas, > >> > >> thank you for link to your homepage. > >> > >> By the way, there are nice photos from Poland in Kazimierz Dolny, > Pulawy > >> and surroundings. I love it this place! You are lucky man that you > did > >> play in these interiors. > >> > >> Bests > >> > >> Grzegorz > >> > >> Dnia 19-03-2011 o godz. 23:03 Thomas Schall napisa^3(a): > >>> Hi all, > >>> > >>> I've redisigned my homepage (http://www.lautenist.de) and would > like > >>> to ask if some of you know poems related to the lute which are not > >>> listed on my page. > >>> > >>> Thanks for your help and all the best > >>> -- > >>> > >>> Thomas Schall > >>> > >>> Doerflistrasse 2 > >>> > >>> CH-6078 Lungern > >>> > >>> +41 41 678 00 79 > >>> > >>> lauten...@lautenist.de > >>> -- > >>> > >>> To get on or off this list see list information at > >>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- > > Thomas Schall > > Doerflistrasse 2 > > CH-6078 Lungern > > +41 41 678 00 79 > > lauten...@lautenist.de > -- >
[LUTE] Re: lute poems
Thank you Daniel, I already found tons of lute poems and will include those of the LSA, too. A great program by Ronn and Robert Aubry Davis Thanks again Thomas Am Sonntag, 20. Maerz 2011, um 14.24:38 schrieb Daniel F Heiman: > Thomas: > > With regard to poems in English, you should take a look at the program > and videos from the performance by Ronn McFarlane and Robert Aubry Davis > last Summer at the LSA Summer Seminar and Lute Festival. Mr. Davis read > sections from eleven different poems that mention the lute. Some are > quotations from Shakespeare plays (I am sure you do not want to post the > whole document for those (-;), and some are well known to the lute > community because they are the texts of lutesongs. > > The main page for the program is here, with MP3 files so you can hear > some of the readings: > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~lsa/old/Cleveland2010/McFarlaneConcert/ind ex > .html > The full texts of the poems "Blame not my lute" and "Objections Against > the Immortality of the Soule" are here: > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~lsa/old/Cleveland2010/McFarlaneConcert/Tex ts > .html > > Videos of "Blame not My Lute" > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3GYM8b7L8Q > and "Objections" > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3GYM8b7L8Q > > Feel free to reference these pages. > > Regards, > > Daniel Heiman > > On Sat, 19 Mar 2011 23:03:59 +0100 Thomas Schall > > writes: > > Hi all, > > > > I've redisigned my homepage (http://www.lautenist.de) and would > > > > like to > > > > ask if some of you know poems related to the lute which are not > > > > listed > > > > on my page. > > > > Thanks for your help and all the best > > -- > > > > Thomas Schall > > > > Doerflistrasse 2 > > > > CH-6078 Lungern > > > > +41 41 678 00 79 > > > > lauten...@lautenist.de > > -- > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Thomas Schall Doerflistrasse 2 CH-6078 Lungern +41 41 678 00 79 lauten...@lautenist.de --
[LUTE] Re: lute poems
A few from my "collection" - Enjoy! If music and sweet poetry agree, As they must needs, the sister and the brother, Then must love be great 'twixt thee and me, Because thou lov'st the one, and I the other. Dowland to thee is dear, whose heavenly touch Upon the lute doth ravish human sense; Spencer to me, whose deep conceit is such, As, passing all conceit, needs no defence. Thou lov'st to hear the sweet melodious sound That Phoebus' lute, the queen of music, makes; And I in deep delight am chiefly drown'd, When as himself to singing he betakes. One god is god of both, as poets feign; One knight loves both, and both in thee remain. - Richard Barnfield (1598) On a cat who has chewed his master's lute strings: Are these the strings that poets feigne have clear'd the Ayre, and clam'd the mayne? Charm'd wolves, and from the mountaine creasts Made forests dance with all their beasts? Could these neglected shreads you see Inspire a Lute of Ivorie And make it speake? Oh! Think then what Hath beene committed by my catt, Who, in the silence of this night Hath gnawne these cords, and marrd them quite. Leaving such reliques as may be For frets, not for my lute, but me. Pusse I will curse thee, may'st thou dwell With some dry Hermit in a cell Where rat neere peeped, where mouse neere fedd And flies go supperless to bed; Or with some close par'd brother, where Thou'lt fast each Sabbath in the yeare; Or else prophane be hanged on Munday, For bothering a mouse on Sunday; Or may'st thou tumble from some tower, And miss to land upon all fower, Taking a fall that may untie Eight of nine lives, and let them flye. Or may the midnight embers sindge Thy daintie coate, or Jane beswinge Thy hide, when she shall take thee biting Her cheese clouts, or her house beshiting. What, was there neere a ratt nor mouse, Nor Buttery ope? Nought in the house But harmlesse Lutestrings could suffice Thy paunch, and draw thy glaring eyes? Did not thy conscious stomach finde Nature prophan'd, that kind with kind Should staunch his hunger? Thinke on that, Thou caniball, and Cyclops catt. For know, thou wretch, that every string Is a catt-gutt, which art doth spinne Into a thread; and how suppose Dunstan, that snuff'd the divell's nose, Should bid these strings revive, as once He did the calfe, from naked bones; Or I, to plague thee for thy sinne, Should draw a circle, and beginne To conjure, for I am, look to't, An Oxford scholer, and can doo't. Then with three setts of mopps and mowes, Seaven of odd words, and motley showes, A thousand tricks, that may be taken From Faustus, Lambe, or Fryar Bacon: I should beginne to call my strings My catlings, and my mynikins; And they recalled, straight should fall To mew, to purr, to catterwaule From puss's belly. Sure as death, Pusse should be an Engastranith; Pusse should be sent for to the king For a strange bird, or some rare thing. Pusse should be sent to farre and neere, As she some cunning woman were. Pusse should be carried up and downe, From shire to shire, from Towne to Towne, Like to the camel, Leane as a Hagg, The Elephant or Apish nagg. For a strange sight; pusse should be sung In Lousy Ballads, midst the Throng At markets, with as good a grace As Agincourt, or Chevy-Chase. The Troy-sprung Brittan would foregoe His pedigree he chaunteth soe, And singe that Merlin - long deceast - Returned is in a nyne-liv'd beast. Thus, pusse, thou seest what might betide thee; But I forbeare to hurt or chide thee; For may be pusse was melancholy And so to make her blithe and jolly, Finding these strings, shee'ld have a fitt Of mirth; nay, pusse, if that were it, Thus I revenge mee, that as thou Hast played on them, I've plaid on you; And as thy touch was nothing fine, Soe I've but scratch'd these notes of mine. -Thomas Master (1603-43) Blame not my lute! For she must sound Of these or that as tuned by me;
[LUTE] Re: lute poems
Thomas: With regard to poems in English, you should take a look at the program and videos from the performance by Ronn McFarlane and Robert Aubry Davis last Summer at the LSA Summer Seminar and Lute Festival. Mr. Davis read sections from eleven different poems that mention the lute. Some are quotations from Shakespeare plays (I am sure you do not want to post the whole document for those (-;), and some are well known to the lute community because they are the texts of lutesongs. The main page for the program is here, with MP3 files so you can hear some of the readings: http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~lsa/old/Cleveland2010/McFarlaneConcert/index .html The full texts of the poems "Blame not my lute" and "Objections Against the Immortality of the Soule" are here: http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~lsa/old/Cleveland2010/McFarlaneConcert/Texts .html Videos of "Blame not My Lute" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3GYM8b7L8Q and "Objections" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3GYM8b7L8Q Feel free to reference these pages. Regards, Daniel Heiman On Sat, 19 Mar 2011 23:03:59 +0100 Thomas Schall writes: >Hi all, > >I've redisigned my homepage (http://www.lautenist.de) and would > like to >ask if some of you know poems related to the lute which are not > listed >on my page. > >Thanks for your help and all the best >-- > >Thomas Schall > >Doerflistrasse 2 > >CH-6078 Lungern > >+41 41 678 00 79 > >lauten...@lautenist.de >-- > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >
[LUTE] Re: Other de Gallots....
Francois of course- how do these things happen? M --- On Sun, 20/3/11, Martyn Hodgson wrote: From: Martyn Hodgson Subject: [LUTE] Other de Gallots To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu, "Martin Shepherd" Date: Sunday, 20 March, 2011, 12:58 Dear Martin, The guitar composing de Gallot is Henry FranAS:ois de Gallot who wrote (probably between 1660 and 1670) the large and distinctive Ms now in the Bodleian: Pieces de guittarre de differendes autheures recueillis par Pieces de guittarre de differendes autheures recueillis par Henry FranAS:ois de Gallot (Oxford, Bodleian Library, Ms. Mus.Sch. C.94). Martyn --- On Sun, 20/3/11, [1]mathias.roe...@t-online.de <[2]mathias.roe...@t-online.de> wrote: From: [3]mathias.roe...@t-online.de <[4]mathias.roe...@t-online.de> Subject: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Re: Jacques Gallot and Francesco da Milano To: [5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Sunday, 20 March, 2011, 12:08 Let me try. Jacques Gallot (I) was brother to Antoine Gallot. Antoine (Gallot d'Angers) died 1647 in Vilnius, Jacques (I) (Gallot de Paris) died around 1685 in Paris. Both were called Gallot le vieux. Jacques Gallot (I) was lute teacher to Sebastien de Brossard (b. 1654) in Paris. The Milleran ms. hearkens back to him. He bequeathes music by his brother as well as music by the Gaultiers. Antoine Gallot's courante Le Canon (in Milleran) is reflected by a courante of the same name and model by Denis Gaultier (Barbe, p 1). Jacques (II) Gallot, called le jeune, was born around 1640 in Paris and died there around 1700. Boetticher guessed that Jacques (II) was a son to Antoine Gallot. The print "Pieces de Luth Composees sur differens Modes par J. G. Auec les folies d'Espagnes etc" (Paris probably 1670) is his work. So far ... Mathias -Original-Nachricht- > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Jacques Gallot and Francesco da Milano > Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 11:16:51 +0100 > From: Martin Shepherd <[1][6]mar...@luteshop.co.uk> > To: [2][7]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Thanks, I'd forgotten that. Can you help us out by telling us > something about which is which? I'm thinking mostly of the printed > book, and the music in the Barbe MS - and it would be interesting to > know if they are by different composers. Isn't there also guitar > music, or is that yet another Gallot? > > Martin > > On 20/03/2011 00:25, Mathias Roesel wrote: > > > Erm aEUR| there were two aEUR| > > > > Mathias > > > >> -UrsprA 1/4ngliche Nachricht- > >> Von: [3][8]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[4][9]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] > Im >> Auftrag von Martin Shepherd > >> Gesendet: Samstag, 19. MACURrz 2011 12:41 > >> An: Lute List > >> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Jacques Gallot and Francesco da Milano > >> > >> > >> Yes, I agree! > >> > >> Martin > >> > >> On 18/03/2011 22:46, wikla wrote: > >>> Original Message > >>> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Jacques Gallot and Francesco da Milano >>> > Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 23:29:00 +0200 > >>> From: wikla<[5][10]wi...@cs.helsinki.fi> > >>> To: [6][11]baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu > >>> > >>> Dear baroque lutenists, > >>> > >>> after having check-played through quite a few pieces by Jacques > >>> Gallot, I've come to the conclusion (that means this is my > subjective >>> opininion, of > >>> course!) that Jacques really is one of the great lute composers - > in >>> the level of F. da Milano, Dowland, E. Gaultier and such). And > what >>> especially came to mind, is that J. Gallot in a way tastes > same as >>> Francesco da Milano > >>> - about 150 years later: very economic writing, actually in > extrem, >>> very clever ideas of melody and harmony, extremely very > well written >>> to the instrument, its tuning, and to the fingers of > both hands of the >>> player. Not to speak of the enjoyment to the > ears and understanding. > >>> > >>> So Jacques is thus taken to my heaven of lute geniuses! :-) >>> > >>> Recommended! > >>> > >>> All the best, > >>> > >>> Arto > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> To get on or off this list see list information at > >>> [7][12]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > > > -- References 1. [13]http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mar...@luteshop.co.uk 2. [14]http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lute@cs
[LUTE] Other de Gallots....
Dear Martin, The guitar composing de Gallot is Henry FranAS:ois de Gallot who wrote (probably between 1660 and 1670) the large and distinctive Ms now in the Bodleian: Pieces de guittarre de differendes autheures recueillis par Pieces de guittarre de differendes autheures recueillis par Henry FranAS:ois de Gallot (Oxford, Bodleian Library, Ms. Mus.Sch. C.94). Martyn --- On Sun, 20/3/11, mathias.roe...@t-online.de wrote: From: mathias.roe...@t-online.de Subject: [LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Re: Jacques Gallot and Francesco da Milano To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Sunday, 20 March, 2011, 12:08 Let me try. Jacques Gallot (I) was brother to Antoine Gallot. Antoine (Gallot d'Angers) died 1647 in Vilnius, Jacques (I) (Gallot de Paris) died around 1685 in Paris. Both were called Gallot le vieux. Jacques Gallot (I) was lute teacher to Sebastien de Brossard (b. 1654) in Paris. The Milleran ms. hearkens back to him. He bequeathes music by his brother as well as music by the Gaultiers. Antoine Gallot's courante Le Canon (in Milleran) is reflected by a courante of the same name and model by Denis Gaultier (Barbe, p 1). Jacques (II) Gallot, called le jeune, was born around 1640 in Paris and died there around 1700. Boetticher guessed that Jacques (II) was a son to Antoine Gallot. The print "Pieces de Luth Composees sur differens Modes par J. G. Auec les folies d'Espagnes etc" (Paris probably 1670) is his work. So far ... Mathias -Original-Nachricht- > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Jacques Gallot and Francesco da Milano > Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 11:16:51 +0100 > From: Martin Shepherd <[1]mar...@luteshop.co.uk> > To: [2]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Thanks, I'd forgotten that. Can you help us out by telling us > something about which is which? I'm thinking mostly of the printed > book, and the music in the Barbe MS - and it would be interesting to > know if they are by different composers. Isn't there also guitar > music, or is that yet another Gallot? > > Martin > > On 20/03/2011 00:25, Mathias Roesel wrote: > > > Erm aEUR| there were two aEUR| > > > > Mathias > > > >> -UrsprA 1/4ngliche Nachricht- > >> Von: [3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] > Im >> Auftrag von Martin Shepherd > >> Gesendet: Samstag, 19. MACURrz 2011 12:41 > >> An: Lute List > >> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Jacques Gallot and Francesco da Milano > >> > >> > >> Yes, I agree! > >> > >> Martin > >> > >> On 18/03/2011 22:46, wikla wrote: > >>> Original Message > >>> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Jacques Gallot and Francesco da Milano >>> > Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 23:29:00 +0200 > >>> From: wikla<[5]wi...@cs.helsinki.fi> > >>> To: [6]baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu > >>> > >>> Dear baroque lutenists, > >>> > >>> after having check-played through quite a few pieces by Jacques > >>> Gallot, I've come to the conclusion (that means this is my > subjective >>> opininion, of > >>> course!) that Jacques really is one of the great lute composers - > in >>> the level of F. da Milano, Dowland, E. Gaultier and such). And > what >>> especially came to mind, is that J. Gallot in a way tastes > same as >>> Francesco da Milano > >>> - about 150 years later: very economic writing, actually in > extrem, >>> very clever ideas of melody and harmony, extremely very > well written >>> to the instrument, its tuning, and to the fingers of > both hands of the >>> player. Not to speak of the enjoyment to the > ears and understanding. > >>> > >>> So Jacques is thus taken to my heaven of lute geniuses! :-) >>> > >>> Recommended! > >>> > >>> All the best, > >>> > >>> Arto > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> To get on or off this list see list information at > >>> [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > > > -- References 1. http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mar...@luteshop.co.uk 2. http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wi...@cs.helsinki.fi 6. http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Re: Jacques Gallot and Francesco da Milano
Let me try. Jacques Gallot (I) was brother to Antoine Gallot. Antoine (Gallot d'Angers) died 1647 in Vilnius, Jacques (I) (Gallot de Paris) died around 1685 in Paris. Both were called Gallot le vieux. Jacques Gallot (I) was lute teacher to Sebastien de Brossard (b. 1654) in Paris. The Milleran ms. hearkens back to him. He bequeathes music by his brother as well as music by the Gaultiers. Antoine Gallot's courante Le Canon (in Milleran) is reflected by a courante of the same name and model by Denis Gaultier (Barbe, p 1). Jacques (II) Gallot, called le jeune, was born around 1640 in Paris and died there around 1700. Boetticher guessed that Jacques (II) was a son to Antoine Gallot. The print "Pieces de Luth Composees sur differens Modes par J. G. Auec les folies d'Espagnes etc" (Paris probably 1670) is his work. So far ... Mathias -Original-Nachricht- > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Jacques Gallot and Francesco da Milano > Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 11:16:51 +0100 > From: Martin Shepherd > To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Thanks, I'd forgotten that. Can you help us out by telling us > something about which is which? I'm thinking mostly of the printed > book, and the music in the Barbe MS - and it would be interesting to > know if they are by different composers. Isn't there also guitar > music, or is that yet another Gallot? > > Martin > > On 20/03/2011 00:25, Mathias Roesel wrote: > > > Erm … there were two … > > > > Mathias > > > >> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > >> Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] > Im >> Auftrag von Martin Shepherd > >> Gesendet: Samstag, 19. März 2011 12:41 > >> An: Lute List > >> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Jacques Gallot and Francesco da Milano > >> > >> > >> Yes, I agree! > >> > >> Martin > >> > >> On 18/03/2011 22:46, wikla wrote: > >>> Original Message > >>> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Jacques Gallot and Francesco da Milano >>> > Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 23:29:00 +0200 > >>> From: wikla > >>> To: baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu > >>> > >>> Dear baroque lutenists, > >>> > >>> after having check-played through quite a few pieces by Jacques > >>> Gallot, I've come to the conclusion (that means this is my > subjective >>> opininion, of > >>> course!) that Jacques really is one of the great lute composers - > in >>> the level of F. da Milano, Dowland, E. Gaultier and such). And > what >>> especially came to mind, is that J. Gallot in a way tastes > same as >>> Francesco da Milano > >>> - about 150 years later: very economic writing, actually in > extrem, >>> very clever ideas of melody and harmony, extremely very > well written >>> to the instrument, its tuning, and to the fingers of > both hands of the >>> player. Not to speak of the enjoyment to the > ears and understanding. > >>> > >>> So Jacques is thus taken to my heaven of lute geniuses! :-) >>> > >>> Recommended! > >>> > >>> All the best, > >>> > >>> Arto > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> To get on or off this list see list information at > >>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > > >
[LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Re: Jacques Gallot and Francesco da Milano
Let me try. Jacques Gallot (I) was brother to Antoine Gallot. Antoine (Gallot d'Angers= ) died 1647 in Vilnius, Jacques (I) (Gallot de Paris) died around 1685 in P= aris. Both were called Gallot le vieux. Jacques Gallot (I) was lute teacher to Sebastien de Brossard (b. 1654) i= n Paris. The Milleran ms. hearkens back to him. He bequeathes music by his = brother as well as music by the Gaultiers. Antoine Gallot's couran= te Le Canon (in Milleran) is reflected by a courante = &n= bsp;of the same name and model by Denis Gaultier = (Barbe, p 1). Jacques (II) Gallot, called le jeune, was born around 1640 in Paris and = died there around 1700. Boetticher guessed that Jacques (II) was a son to A= ntoine Gallot. The print "Pieces de Luth Composees sur differens Modes par = J. G. Auec les folies d'Espagnes etc" (Paris probably 1670) is his work. So far ... Mathias -Original-Nachricht- > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Jacques Gallo= t and Francesco da Milano > Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 11:16:51 +0100<= br /> > From: Martin Shepherd > T= o: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Thanks, I'd forgotten that. Can= you help us out by telling us > something about which is which? = I'm thinking mostly of the printed > book, and the music in the Ba= rbe MS - and it would be interesting to > know if they are by diff= erent composers. Isn't there also guitar > music, or is that yet = another Gallot? > > Martin > > On 20/= 03/2011 00:25, Mathias Roesel wrote: > > > Erm &helli= p; there were two ... > > > > Mathias &g= t; > > >> -Urspruengliche Nachricht- &g= t; >> Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.ed= u] > Im >> Auftrag von Martin Shepherd > >> G= esendet: Samstag, 19. Maerz 2011 12:41 > >> An: Lute Lis= t > >> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Jacques Gallot and Francesco da M= ilano > >> > >> > >> Yes, I ag= ree! > >> > >> Martin > >> > >> On 18/03/2011 22:46, wikla wrote: > >>> = Original Message > >>> Subject: [BAROQU= E-LUTE] Jacques Gallot and Francesco da Milano >>> > Date= : Fri, 18 Mar 2011 23:29:00 +0200 > >>> From: wikla > >>> To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmout= h.edu > >>> > >>> Dear baroque lutenist= s, > >>> > >>> after having check-playe= d through quite a few pieces by Jacques > >>> Gallot, I'v= e come to the conclusion (that means this is my > subjective >&= gt;> opininion, of > >>> course!) that Jacques really = is one of the great lute composers - > in >>> the level o= f F. da Milano, Dowland, E. Gaultier and such). And > what >>= ;> especially came to mind, is that J. Gallot in a way tastes >= same as >>> Francesco da Milano > >>> - about 1= 50 years later: very economic writing, actually in > extrem, >&= gt;> very clever ideas of melody and harmony, extremely very > = well written >>> to the instrument, its tuning, and to the fingers= of > both hands of the >>> player. Not to speak of the e= njoyment to the > ears and understanding. > >>><= br /> > >>> So Jacques is thus taken to my heaven of lute geniu= ses! :-) >>> > >>> Recommended! > >= >> > >>> All the best, > >>> > >>> Arto > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> To get on or off this list se= e list information at > >>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~= wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Re: Wandervögel Songs
You'll have all the tunes and lyrics from this edition, at least. But these are adaptations for the keyboard, definitely no more feasible on the lute. Quite a few copies of Der Zupfgeigenhandel are still floating around ( http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_Zupfgeigenhansl ), why not take one of those. Mathias > Some of you may be interested in this collection in several volumes > with hundreds of songs (alas arranged for piano, but originally for > lute-guitar): > > [1]http://hdl.handle.net/1802/14257 > > Publication Name: Was die Wandervögel singen ... für > Klavier bearbeitet und herausgegeben von Hermann Krome. Illustriert > von Paul Telemann. Band I-IV. > Arranger:Krome, Hermann (1888 - 1955) > > Is anyone out there interested in this repertory? Roman? > References > > 1. http://hdl.handle.net/1802/14257 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Jacques Gallot and Francesco da Milano
Thanks, I'd forgotten that. Can you help us out by telling us something about which is which? I'm thinking mostly of the printed book, and the music in the Barbe MS - and it would be interesting to know if they are by different composers. Isn't there also guitar music, or is that yet another Gallot? Martin On 20/03/2011 00:25, Mathias Roesel wrote: Erm … there were two … Mathias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Martin Shepherd Gesendet: Samstag, 19. März 2011 12:41 An: Lute List Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Jacques Gallot and Francesco da Milano Yes, I agree! Martin On 18/03/2011 22:46, wikla wrote: Original Message Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Jacques Gallot and Francesco da Milano Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 23:29:00 +0200 From: wikla To: baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu Dear baroque lutenists, after having check-played through quite a few pieces by Jacques Gallot, I've come to the conclusion (that means this is my subjective opininion, of course!) that Jacques really is one of the great lute composers - in the level of F. da Milano, Dowland, E. Gaultier and such). And what especially came to mind, is that J. Gallot in a way tastes same as Francesco da Milano - about 150 years later: very economic writing, actually in extrem, very clever ideas of melody and harmony, extremely very well written to the instrument, its tuning, and to the fingers of both hands of the player. Not to speak of the enjoyment to the ears and understanding. So Jacques is thus taken to my heaven of lute geniuses! :-) Recommended! All the best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Fw: Wandervögel Songs
Thanks for poiting us towards this collection, Arthur. I have a few books from the period, but nothing so extensive as this! It reminds me to have my Wandervogellaute fixed. David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: modern music for lute
On 19 March 2011 19:17, Stuart Walsh wrote: >> Calliope Tsupaki, even though it had 20 minutes near-continuous >> tremolo. > > At first I thought it was a dulcimer! At first I thought it was impossible! > I was interested in the lute pieces played by Peter Soderberg. Do you know > what kind of lute he is playing (Renaissance-type tuning or D minor or No idea. The piece might be listed in the modern music for lute catalogue (is it on-line?). David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Odp: lute poems
Hi Grzegorz, I really loved the tour through eastern Poland. It was an adventure because nearly nobody spoke english or german or any other language I understand. So even ordering a Pizza would become a challenge (while ordering beer hasn't been a problem - so the supply of the really important foods has been given) :-) The people there have been very helpful, though. Really a beautiful country you live in - I hope I can return very soon with a little bit more time to visit places I missed last year. The palace of Pulawy is a great place to perform. Some more fotos of my Poland tour are on flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/lautenist/sets/72157624472837526/) Best wishes Thomas Am Sonntag, 20. Maerz 2011, um 01.58:09 schrieben Sie: > Hi Thomas, > > thank you for link to your homepage. > > By the way, there are nice photos from Poland in Kazimierz Dolny, Pulawy > and surroundings. I love it this place! You are lucky man that you did > play in these interiors. > > Bests > > Grzegorz > > Dnia 19-03-2011 o godz. 23:03 Thomas Schall napisa^3(a): > > Hi all, > > > > I've redisigned my homepage (http://www.lautenist.de) and would like > > to ask if some of you know poems related to the lute which are not > > listed on my page. > > > > Thanks for your help and all the best > > -- > > > > Thomas Schall > > > > Doerflistrasse 2 > > > > CH-6078 Lungern > > > > +41 41 678 00 79 > > > > lauten...@lautenist.de > > -- > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Thomas Schall Doerflistrasse 2 CH-6078 Lungern +41 41 678 00 79 lauten...@lautenist.de --
