[LUTE] Re: Alcohol as glue breaker.
I for one see myself as a amateur lutemaker but I use animal glue throughout. Cheers! Lex Op 1 feb 2012, om 08:25 heeft Taco Walstra het volgende geschreven: > On 01/31/2012 07:09 PM, Bruno Fournier wrote: > > My wife is a luthier and always uses wet heat. Alcohol will damage the > varnish and repairing the varnish is a lot of extra work, especially with > violins and celli. (Although after the opening and closing of the instruments > a varnish repair is also necessary with the wet heat tool, but much less). > Using alcolhol is the amateur way of working. > In the same line: A lutemaker in the netherlands used/uses woodglue to glue > damaged lutebridges. Although he thinks himself a professional he's clearly > not. > taco > >>Have always used wet heat. >> >>A >> >>wouldn't regluing after be a problem? as there might be remnants of the >>alcohol preventing the glue from binding properly? >> >>A >> >>Bruno >> >>A >> >>A >> >>On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 12:06 PM, William Samson >><[1]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >> >> A I use alcohol - I learned the trick on a course I did in piano >> repair. >> A Very effective! A The downside is that it could hurt the finish - >> A especially if it's a French polish. A Ordinary methylated spirit >> works >> A just fine. >> A Bill >> A From: Herbert Ward<[2]wa...@physics.utexas.edu> >> A To: [3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu >> A Sent: Tuesday, 31 January 2012, 16:31 >> A Subject: [LUTE] Alcohol as glue breaker. >> >>A I asked a luthier how he broke the glue joint in doing >>A a repair. A I expected to hear a description of some >>A variation of wet heat. >>A To my surprise, he said that he used anhydrous ethyl >>A alcohol (eg, 190 proof Everclear liquor). >>A He said that the alcohol drawa all the water out of the >>A glue, and that perfectly dry glue has no strength and >>A comes apart easily. >>A Does anyone else use alcohol? A Why do some luthiers use >>A alcohol and others use wet heat? >>A To get on or off this list see list information at >> >> A [1][4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> A -- >> References >> A 1. [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >>-- >> >>A >> >>Bruno Cognyl-Fournier >> >>A >> >>[6]www.estavel.org >> >>A >> >>-- >> >> References >> >>1. mailto:willsam...@yahoo.co.uk >>2. mailto:wa...@physics.utexas.edu >>3. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu >>4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >>6. http://www.estavel.org/ >> > > > -- > >
[LUTE] Re: tuning software?
I recommend the horribly named android app GStrings. Mulititemperament multifunction with many programmable features. OK, it isn't windows, sorry. Sequoia has a built in tuner but I like the android app. Or a dedicated strobe. __ From: Ed Durbrow To: David van Ooijen ; LuteNet list Sent: Mon, January 30, 2012 7:22:44 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: tuning software? The tuner in Logic (OSX) seems pretty good. There is Tuna Pitch, app and widget, which I just tried and seems to work well, also Mac. On Jan 30, 2012, at 1:41 AM, David van Ooijen wrote: Does anybody use tuning software for Windows and/or Mac, and if so, any feedback on the software used? Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [1][1]http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch [2][2]http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ [3][3]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- References 1. [4]http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch 2. [5]http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ 3. [6]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch 2. http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ 3. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ 4. http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch 5. http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ 6. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Alcohol as glue breaker.
--- On Tue, 31/1/12, Bruno Fournier wrote: From: Bruno Fournier Subject: [LUTE] Re: Alcohol as glue breaker. To: "William Samson" Cc: "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" Date: Tuesday, 31 January, 2012, 18:09 Have always used wet heat. A wouldn't regluing after be a problem? as there might be remnants of the alcohol preventing the glue from binding properly? A Bruno A A On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 12:06 PM, William Samson <[1][1]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: A I use alcohol - I learned the trick on a course I did in piano repair. A Very effective! A The downside is that it could hurt the finish - A especially if it's a French polish. A Ordinary methylated spirit works A just fine. A Bill A From: Herbert Ward <[2][2]wa...@physics.utexas.edu> A To: [3][3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu A Sent: Tuesday, 31 January 2012, 16:31 A Subject: [LUTE] Alcohol as glue breaker. A I asked a luthier how he broke the glue joint in doing A a repair. A I expected to hear a description of some A variation of wet heat. A To my surprise, he said that he used anhydrous ethyl A alcohol (eg, 190 proof Everclear liquor). A He said that the alcohol drawa all the water out of the A glue, and that perfectly dry glue has no strength and A comes apart easily. A Does anyone else use alcohol? A Why do some luthiers use A alcohol and others use wet heat? A To get on or off this list see list information at A [1][4][4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html A -- References A 1. [5][5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- A Bruno Cognyl-Fournier A [6]www.estavel.org A -- References 1. mailto:[6]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk 2. mailto:[7]wa...@physics.utexas.edu 3. mailto:[8]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. [9]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 5. [10]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 6. [11]http://www.estavel.org/ -- References 1. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=willsam...@yahoo.co.uk 2. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wa...@physics.utexas.edu 3. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 6. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=willsam...@yahoo.co.uk 7. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wa...@physics.utexas.edu 8. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 9. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 10. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 11. http://www.estavel.org/
[LUTE] Re: tuning software?
This looks kind of cool [1]http://www.musicmasterworks.com/tuning_software.html __ From: David Tayler To: lute Sent: Wed, February 1, 2012 12:42:25 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: tuning software? I recommend the horribly named android app GStrings. Mulititemperament multifunction with many programmable features. OK, it isn't windows, sorry. Sequoia has a built in tuner but I like the android app. Or a dedicated strobe. __ From: Ed Durbrow <[2]edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp> To: David van Ooijen <[3]davidvanooi...@gmail.com>; LuteNet list <[4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Mon, January 30, 2012 7:22:44 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: tuning software? The tuner in Logic (OSX) seems pretty good. There is Tuna Pitch, app and widget, which I just tried and seems to work well, also Mac. On Jan 30, 2012, at 1:41 AM, David van Ooijen wrote: Does anybody use tuning software for Windows and/or Mac, and if so, any feedback on the software used? Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [1][1][5]http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch [2][2][6]http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ [3][3][7]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- References 1. [4][8]http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch 2. [5][9]http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ 3. [6][10]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at [7][11]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. [12]http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch 2. [13]http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ 3. [14]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ 4. [15]http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch 5. [16]http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ 6. [17]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ 7. [18]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.musicmasterworks.com/tuning_software.html 2. mailto:edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp 3. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 4. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch 6. http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ 7. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ 8. http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch 9. http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ 10. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ 11. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html 12. http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch 13. http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ 14. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ 15. http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch 16. http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ 17. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ 18. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Alcohol as glue breaker.
Alcohol will only damage the varnish if a spirit varnish has been used: oil based varnishes (as used by most professional makers) are untouched. Alcohol quickly evaporates so there is no significant residue to block further gluing. MH --- On Wed, 1/2/12, Taco Walstra wrote: From: Taco Walstra Subject: [LUTE] Re: Alcohol as glue breaker. To: "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" Date: Wednesday, 1 February, 2012, 7:25 On 01/31/2012 07:09 PM, Bruno Fournier wrote: My wife is a luthier and always uses wet heat. Alcohol will damage the varnish and repairing the varnish is a lot of extra work, especially with violins and celli. (Although after the opening and closing of the instruments a varnish repair is also necessary with the wet heat tool, but much less). Using alcolhol is the amateur way of working. In the same line: A lutemaker in the netherlands used/uses woodglue to glue damaged lutebridges. Although he thinks himself a professional he's clearly not. taco > Have always used wet heat. > > A > > wouldn't regluing after be a problem? as there might be remnants of the > alcohol preventing the glue from binding properly? > > A > > Bruno > > A > > A > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 12:06 PM, William Samson > <[1][1]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > A I use alcohol - I learned the trick on a course I did in piano > repair. > A Very effective! A The downside is that it could hurt the finish - > A especially if it's a French polish. A Ordinary methylated spirit > works > A just fine. > A Bill > A From: Herbert Ward<[2][2]wa...@physics.utexas.edu> > A To: [3][3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > A Sent: Tuesday, 31 January 2012, 16:31 > A Subject: [LUTE] Alcohol as glue breaker. > > A I asked a luthier how he broke the glue joint in doing > A a repair. A I expected to hear a description of some > A variation of wet heat. > A To my surprise, he said that he used anhydrous ethyl > A alcohol (eg, 190 proof Everclear liquor). > A He said that the alcohol drawa all the water out of the > A glue, and that perfectly dry glue has no strength and > A comes apart easily. > A Does anyone else use alcohol? A Why do some luthiers use > A alcohol and others use wet heat? > A To get on or off this list see list information at > > A [1][4][4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > A -- > References > A 1. [5][5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- > > A > > Bruno Cognyl-Fournier > > A > > [6]www.estavel.org > > A > > -- > > References > > 1. mailto:[6]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk > 2. mailto:[7]wa...@physics.utexas.edu > 3. mailto:[8]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > 4. [9]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > 5. [10]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > 6. [11]http://www.estavel.org/ > -- -- References 1. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=willsam...@yahoo.co.uk 2. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wa...@physics.utexas.edu 3. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 6. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=willsam...@yahoo.co.uk 7. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wa...@physics.utexas.edu 8. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 9. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 10. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 11. http://www.estavel.org/
[LUTE] Re: tuning software?
On 1 February 2012 09:42, David Tayler wrote: > I recommend the horribly named android app GStrings. Mulititemperament > multifunction with many programmable features. Yep, I run it on my Archos too. Works well. David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Karl Kohaut
Lute List: Spoletto planning is underway and the baroque consort I play in asked me about the Karl Kohaut pieces. I have facs. of these but the violin players (modern violin) are balking at the appearance of the violin parts. (I would redo the lute tab in Django or play from score) Does anyone know if these suites are published in modern print? Thanks, Louis Aull -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] La Pieuse Alouette and La Philomele Seraphique
Hello, I am looking for transcriptions of sacred contrafacta of lute songs from Pieuse Alouette and La Philomele Seraphique. If anyone has any to share or any suggestions whom to ask, I would be most grateful for your help. Thanks, Shannon Shannon Canavin Exsultemus period vocal ensemble 857-998-0219 s.cana...@comcast.net -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] seeking advice
I like to try and play some modern lute music. I also like to put these efforts on youtube. Harmless enough, surely? My youtube 'channel' (as it's called!) doesn't mention my actual name but a nickname that my wife thought was funny: pluckedturkeys. A few months ago a composer contacted me and he was very insistent that I put my name on the youtube videos that I played of his music, clearly indicating that it was not him playing. At first I put a link to his website on my youtube channel but that was not enough. So I thought that the simplest thing to do was to delete the videos and I did. But now I'm wondering why I did that. I don't want to be impolite to the composer but I can't understand what his problem was/is. And that's why I'm asking advice here. As I see it, if a composer publishes music then anyone who buys it legally is free to play it and to play it in a public place - like youtube. It must be very disappointing for a composer to hear his/her music mangled/misinterpreted etc. But surely that is always a possibility once the music is published and in public space. And once the music is published it seems to me (that's why I'm asking for advice) wholly unreasonable to expect control over the naming of whoever wants to try and perform the music So: is it in any way reasonable for a composer to ask/insist that I put my name on youtube videos? The whole thing sounds so utterly ridiculous and implausible that there must be some other explanation. The only obvious thing I can think of is that the composer is worried that my clunky efforts might be misunderstood as the composer's. Should I worry about that? (More to the point? Why are they worrying about that?) I really may be missing some point. Please tell me! Otherwise I'm now thinking - I enjoy trying to have a go at some of this person's music - I actually value it -so I'll just go ahead and stick it on youtube! Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: seeking advice
Writing as an ex-librarian I think that if the composer is still alive or has died within the last 50 years he is entitled to royalties when you perform his music in a public space. Just buying a copy of it doesn't give you carte-blanche to perform it anywhere. The Performing Rights Society in England exists to make sure that composers do get their royalties. This applies to recorded music as well. When I worked in the library we were not allowed to lend out new CDs within 3 months of their being issued. Copyright laws are very complex. They also cover things like photocopying music. I am not sure whether the composer is entitled to insist that you own up to playing his music. This seems a different matter. Hope that's helpful. Things may be different outside the UK. Monica - Original Message - From: "Stuart Walsh" To: "Lute Net" Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 10:28 PM Subject: [LUTE] seeking advice I like to try and play some modern lute music. I also like to put these efforts on youtube. Harmless enough, surely? My youtube 'channel' (as it's called!) doesn't mention my actual name but a nickname that my wife thought was funny: pluckedturkeys. A few months ago a composer contacted me and he was very insistent that I put my name on the youtube videos that I played of his music, clearly indicating that it was not him playing. At first I put a link to his website on my youtube channel but that was not enough. So I thought that the simplest thing to do was to delete the videos and I did. But now I'm wondering why I did that. I don't want to be impolite to the composer but I can't understand what his problem was/is. And that's why I'm asking advice here. As I see it, if a composer publishes music then anyone who buys it legally is free to play it and to play it in a public place - like youtube. It must be very disappointing for a composer to hear his/her music mangled/misinterpreted etc. But surely that is always a possibility once the music is published and in public space. And once the music is published it seems to me (that's why I'm asking for advice) wholly unreasonable to expect control over the naming of whoever wants to try and perform the music So: is it in any way reasonable for a composer to ask/insist that I put my name on youtube videos? The whole thing sounds so utterly ridiculous and implausible that there must be some other explanation. The only obvious thing I can think of is that the composer is worried that my clunky efforts might be misunderstood as the composer's. Should I worry about that? (More to the point? Why are they worrying about that?) I really may be missing some point. Please tell me! Otherwise I'm now thinking - I enjoy trying to have a go at some of this person's music - I actually value it -so I'll just go ahead and stick it on youtube! Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: seeking advice
On Feb 1, 2012, at 2:28 PM, Stuart Walsh wrote: > So: is it in any way reasonable for a composer to ask/insist that I put my > name on youtube videos? The whole thing sounds so utterly ridiculous and > implausible that there must be some other explanation. The only obvious > thing I can think of is that the composer is worried that my clunky efforts > might be misunderstood as the composer's. Should I worry about that? (More to > the point? Why are they worrying about that?) It's his music. He holds the rights to it. Let's assume, without getting into the details of international copyright law, that he can prevent your posting a performance of his music altogether (which is probably true, if you're paying him nothing). If so, he has the de facto right to impose conditions on your using it. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: seeking advice
OOn 01/02/2012 22:51, howard posner wrote: On Feb 1, 2012, at 2:28 PM, Stuart Walsh wrote: So: is it in any way reasonable for a composer to ask/insist that I put my name on youtube videos? The whole thing sounds so utterly ridiculous and implausible that there must be some other explanation. The only obvious thing I can think of is that the composer is worried that my clunky efforts might be misunderstood as the composer's. Should I worry about that? (More to the point? Why are they worrying about that?) It's his music. He holds the rights to it. Let's assume, without getting into the details of international copyright law, that he can prevent your posting a performance of his music altogether (which is probably true, if you're paying him nothing). If so, he has the de facto right to impose conditions on your using it. Thanks Monica and Howard. How extraordinary? As I understood it, his more or less insistence that I put my name on my performance of his music was not from a legal perspective at all. My worry was that it was from sort of moral perspective and that I was failing to see what that was. How extraordinary that the millions of posters on youtube, who have actually bought the music that they play, and earn no money from what they play, should be paying for for the privilege? Presumably this is an 'in principle' (as it were, 'de jure') concept whereas 'de facto' a gazillion players - or none at all - play on youtube without payment to the composer. Unless we're talking at totally cross purposes (which I suspect we are) a composer has no de facto rights (he's going to come and beat me up?) Stuart -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: seeking advice
On Feb 1, 2012, at 3:19 PM, Stuart Walsh wrote: > Unless we're talking at totally cross purposes (which I suspect we are) a > composer has no de facto rights (he's going to come and beat me up?) I think he can get your video removed from Youtube. I see videos get removed all the time, but I'm not familiar with the mechanism. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Some history questions
Hi folks, I'm new around here, so forgive me if this is too simple a question. Would baroque lute music have been played during a ball or masquerade? I often imagine it when I listen to the music, but it occurred to me that the lute may have been too quiet for it. Just curious! Adam To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Some history questions
No. It is an unstrument of private supplication. RT - Original Message - From: "Adam Olsen" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 9:08 PM Subject: [LUTE] Some history questions Hi folks, I'm new around here, so forgive me if this is too simple a question. Would baroque lute music have been played during a ball or masquerade? I often imagine it when I listen to the music, but it occurred to me that the lute may have been too quiet for it. Just curious! Adam To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Some history questions
meant INstrument.. - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" To: "Adam Olsen" ; Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 9:19 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Some history questions No. It is an unstrument of private supplication. RT - Original Message - From: "Adam Olsen" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 9:08 PM Subject: [LUTE] Some history questions Hi folks, I'm new around here, so forgive me if this is too simple a question. Would baroque lute music have been played during a ball or masquerade? I often imagine it when I listen to the music, but it occurred to me that the lute may have been too quiet for it. Just curious! Adam To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Some history questions
Ok, no dancing. Noted, thank you :-) On Feb 1, 2012 7:19 PM, "Roman Turovsky" <[1]r.turov...@verizon.net> wrote: No. It is an unstrument of private supplication. RT - Original Message - From: "Adam Olsen" <[2]arol...@gmail.com> To: <[3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 9:08 PM Subject: [LUTE] Some history questions Hi folks, I'm new around here, so forgive me if this is too simple a question. Would baroque lute music have been played during a ball or masquerade? I often imagine it when I listen to the music, but it occurred to me that the lute may have been too quiet for it. Just curious! Adam To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:r.turov...@verizon.net 2. mailto:arol...@gmail.com 3. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Some history questions
On 01/02/2012 6:08 PM, Adam Olsen wrote: Would baroque lute music have been played during a ball or masquerade? I often imagine it when I listen to the music, but it occurred to me that the lute may have been too quiet for it. While I can't speak directly for Baroque lute, certainly in the Renaissance the lute was used to accompany dancing. There is plenty of evidence for it - dance instruction manuals with lute tablature accompaniments and paintings of dancing with lute (and/or other instruments) providing the music. I think that it tended to be a quieter time generally, so the lute wasn't out of step with the times. Roman once wrote here on the same question "...they did but they shouldn't have!" Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Some history questions
Consider that EGBaron, a journeyman lute personality, considered himself nothing less that an Orpheus. And you can only imagine SLW's opinion of himself. And that is the mindset of the whole lutenism, an entirely apollinian culture. RT - Original Message - From: "Stephen Fryer" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 9:55 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Some history questions On 01/02/2012 6:08 PM, Adam Olsen wrote: Would baroque lute music have been played during a ball or masquerade? I often imagine it when I listen to the music, but it occurred to me that the lute may have been too quiet for it. While I can't speak directly for Baroque lute, certainly in the Renaissance the lute was used to accompany dancing. There is plenty of evidence for it - dance instruction manuals with lute tablature accompaniments and paintings of dancing with lute (and/or other instruments) providing the music. I think that it tended to be a quieter time generally, so the lute wasn't out of step with the times. Roman once wrote here on the same question "...they did but they shouldn't have!" Stephen Fryer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Some history questions
On Feb 1, 2012, at 7:07 PM, Roman Turovsky wrote: > Consider that EGBaron, a journeyman lute personality, considered himself > nothing less that an Orpheus. And you can only imagine SLW's opinion of > himself. > And that is the mindset of the whole lutenism, an entirely apollinian culture. Even if we assume that Baron, the Royal Prussian Lutenist, and Weiss, the highest-paid musician in the near-legendary Dresden court, felt themselves or their instrument too Apollonian to play for dancers, it's a huge jump to say that no lute player ever did it. Three or four generations of luters spent their lives playing sarabandes, courantes and bourrees. It's pretty much impossible that none of them ever played while someone was actually dancing -- even if practical problems presented presented by dancers wearing hard soles on hard floors in resonant rooms made solo lutes a poor choice for dance accompaniment. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Some history questions
A recent Lute News had an article about this very issue. They looked into some statistics about how many instruments households had and made the proposition that if there was only a lute available and people wanted to dance, they would have danced to the lute. I think trends change over time. It is hard to imagine dancing dying out immediately with the advent of Dm tuning when dance manuals had been written in lute tab around 1600, but it is also doesn't seem to fit the image of the kind of music that was being played in the time of Baron and Weiss on the Baroque lute. On the other hand, if you expand the definition of what a Baroque lute is, clearly some kinds of lutes (theorbo, archlute, theorboized dm lute) were used in orchestras that played dance music. Interesting question. I wish some musicologists would chime in. Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [1]http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch [2]http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ [3]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch 2. http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ 3. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
