[LUTE] Re: Lute strap
And Pat strongly advocated playing standing up, with the lute close to one's chin. He also emphatically recommended looping the strap around a couple of pegs on the treble side of the pegbox: http://polyhymnion.org/swv/images/strap.jpg to prevent one's lute from facing the ceiling. RT On 5/24/2020 3:04 PM, Leonard Williams wrote: Disclaimer--I am a largely self-taught (with tips from this list!), falteringly intermediate player. I use strap, footstool and shelf liner. I enjoy playing, while mindfully trying to approximate recognized proper technique. It seems that what has taken me the longest time to get right (or nearly so) is the balance of comfort, security, and accessibility for right and left hands. As we are all built to different proportions and agility, my conclusion is that there is no single right physical approach to the lute; one needs simply to pay attention to what's happening between the body and the instrument. A good teacher who can "read" your body language while playing would be very helpful (Pat O'Brien could do this kind of thing). (here ends this 2 cents worth) Regards, Leonard Williams -Original Message- From: Jurgen Frenz To: Leonard Williams Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sun, May 24, 2020 8:06 am Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute strap I find the strap discussion quite interesting especially what Leonhard Williams just said - it reminds me (and everybody who likes to think about his/her playing) that the simple position we sit down and hold the instrument has quite an impact on our playing. As often, there is no "rule" except that everybody has to figure out how it's real comfortable to play. I strongly believe that the instrument has to sit there without any additional effort to hold it, one needs to figure out how that exactly can be achieved. Good luck! âââââââ Original Message âââââââ On Saturday, May 23, 2020 11:45 PM, Leonard Williams <[1]arc...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: > Yes--the shelf liner material works very nicely to de-grease the piggy! > I actually use a footstool on the right to get the lute up a little > higher (thigh under the widest point). Can't say it's improved my > playing, however. > Leonard Williams > -Original Message- > From: John Mardinly [2]john.mardi...@asu.edu > To: howard posner [3]howardpos...@ca.rr.com; Lute List > [4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Sent: Sat, May 23, 2020 2:47 pm > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute strap > I've been playing without a strap since 1970. However, I must admit > that holding the lute is a bit like holding a greased pig. What works > for me now is rubberized shelf liner: > [1][5]https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LWAPOO1/ref=sspa_dk_detail_4?psc=1 d_r > d_i=B01LWAPOO1_rd_w=kPNRm_rd_p=48d372c1-f7e1-4b8b-9d02-4bd86f5158 > c5_rd_wg=FAgbm_rd_r=6BF0CZFPTPEJ3V0B4C0J_rd_r=b4cc3dc9-fcdd-4e > 91-871f-3a45b2ca6f75=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyQlpFOVExWUNKOFBTJ > mVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMzAxNTgzMVdHTVVXMjg5QjlLUiZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNzkz > MDU1NFFLQzJMQzQzRVIzJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfZGV0YWlsJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGl > yZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ== > Cut out a 15'x15' piece for each thigh, and use a footstool for the > left leg like guitarists use. The lute is then fairly stable. Makes a > guitar a bit more stable also. $5 buys enough to last a lifetime. > A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. > Classical Guitarist/Lutenist > > > On May 22, 2020, at 4:16 PM, howard posner > > <[2][6]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On May 22, 2020, at 7:19 AM, Christopher Stetson > > <[3][7]christophertstet...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, all. I've been playing without a strap since 1974. It is > > possible. > > > > > > Arthur: Ah. Look, the statue. How do get the cup bit to stay where it > > is, unsupported? > > > > > > Wise Old Bird: It stays there because it's artistically right. > > > > > > Arthur: What? > > > > > > WOB: The Law of Gravity isn't as indiscriminate as people often > > think. You learn things like that when you're a bird. > > > > > > --Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (original radio script) Fit the > > Tenth > > > > > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > > > > [4][8]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmo uth > .edu_-7Ewbc_lute-2Dadmin_index.html=DwIFaQ=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n > 1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E=T0D > BLPWi-JsEl3u9ihtW2Cu9gVo3NkkKh4as-2CmlkM=7riCOmG8O7h8gdO6D70sBjwmU8mI
[LUTE] Re: Lute strap from the LUTEDUO links
[1]We could not find the links in the message I sentthey should be at the bottom of the message So hopefully this information can be helpful, Anton & Anna [2]LESSON 1, LUTE STRAP www.luteduo.com [youtube.png] LESSON 1, LUTE STRAP www.luteduo.com This video shows the very basic part of lute positioning technique - the strap, this is a very efficient way to ... [3]Some more lute tricks Luteduo lesson - YouTube [youtube.png] Luteduo lesson - YouTube Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content and share it all with friends, family and the world... -- References Visible links: 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C03fsBh5IUg 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C03fsBh5IUg 3. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Luteduo+lesson Hidden links: 5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C03fsBh5IUg 6. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Luteduo+lesson To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute strap from the LUTEDUO
[1]Hope this might be helpful:) Anna & Anton [2]LESSON 1, LUTE STRAP www.luteduo.com [youtube.png] LESSON 1, LUTE STRAP www.luteduo.com This video shows the very basic part of lute positioning technique - the strap, this is a very efficient way to ... [3]Luteduo lesson - YouTube [youtube.png] Luteduo lesson - YouTube Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content and share it all with friends, family and the world... On Sunday, May 24, 2020, 9:06:58 PM GMT+2, Leonard Williams wrote: Disclaimer--I am a largely self-taught (with tips from this list!), falteringly intermediate player. I use strap, footstool and shelf liner. I enjoy playing, while mindfully trying to approximate recognized proper technique. It seems that what has taken me the longest time to get right (or nearly so) is the balance of comfort, security, and accessibility for right and left hands. As we are all built to different proportions and agility, my conclusion is that there is no single right physical approach to the lute; one needs simply to pay attention to what's happening between the body and the instrument. A good teacher who can "read" your body language while playing would be very helpful (Pat O'Brien could do this kind of thing). (here ends this 2 cents worth) Regards, Leonard Williams -Original Message- From: Jurgen Frenz <[4]eye-and-ear-cont...@protonmail.com> To: Leonard Williams <[5]arc...@verizon.net> Cc: [6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu <[7]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Sun, May 24, 2020 8:06 am Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute strap I find the strap discussion quite interesting especially what Leonhard Williams just said - it reminds me (and everybody who likes to think about his/her playing) that the simple position we sit down and hold the instrument has quite an impact on our playing. As often, there is no "rule" except that everybody has to figure out how it's real comfortable to play. I strongly believe that the instrument has to sit there without any additional effort to hold it, one needs to figure out how that exactly can be achieved. Good luck! âââââââ Original Message âââââââ On Saturday, May 23, 2020 11:45 PM, Leonard Williams <[1][8]arc...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: > Yes--the shelf liner material works very nicely to de-grease the piggy! > I actually use a footstool on the right to get the lute up a little > higher (thigh under the widest point). Can't say it's improved my > playing, however. > Leonard Williams > -Original Message- > From: John Mardinly [2][9]john.mardi...@asu.edu > To: howard posner [3][10]howardpos...@ca.rr.com; Lute List > [4][11]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Sent: Sat, May 23, 2020 2:47 pm > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute strap > I've been playing without a strap since 1970. However, I must admit > that holding the lute is a bit like holding a greased pig. What works > for me now is rubberized shelf liner: > [1][5][12]https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LWAPOO1/ref=sspa_dk_detail_4?psc =1 d_r > d_i=B01LWAPOO1_rd_w=kPNRm_rd_p=48d372c1-f7e1-4b8b-9d02-4bd86f5158 > c5_rd_wg=FAgbm_rd_r=6BF0CZFPTPEJ3V0B4C0J_rd_r=b4cc3dc9-fcdd-4e > 91-871f-3a45b2ca6f75=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyQlpFOVExWUNKOFBTJ > mVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMzAxNTgzMVdHTVVXMjg5QjlLUiZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNzkz > MDU1NFFLQzJMQzQzRVIzJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfZGV0YWlsJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGl > yZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ== > Cut out a 15'x15' piece for each thigh, and use a footstool for the > left leg like guitarists use. The lute is then fairly stable. Makes a > guitar a bit more stable also. $5 buys enough to last a lifetime. > A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. > Classical Guitarist/Lutenist > > > On May 22, 2020, at 4:16 PM, howard posner > > <[2][6][13]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On May 22, 2020, at 7:19 AM, Christopher Stetson > > <[3][7][14]christophertstet...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, all. I've been playing without a strap since 1974. It is > > possible. > > > > > > Arthur: Ah. Look, the statue. How do get the cup bit to stay where it > > is, unsupported? > > > > > > Wise Old Bird: It stays there because it's artistically right. > > > > > > Arthur: What? > > > > > > WOB: The Law of Gravity isn't as indiscriminate as people often > > think.
[LUTE] Re: Lute strap
Disclaimer--I am a largely self-taught (with tips from this list!), falteringly intermediate player. I use strap, footstool and shelf liner. I enjoy playing, while mindfully trying to approximate recognized proper technique. It seems that what has taken me the longest time to get right (or nearly so) is the balance of comfort, security, and accessibility for right and left hands. As we are all built to different proportions and agility, my conclusion is that there is no single right physical approach to the lute; one needs simply to pay attention to what's happening between the body and the instrument. A good teacher who can "read" your body language while playing would be very helpful (Pat O'Brien could do this kind of thing). (here ends this 2 cents worth) Regards, Leonard Williams -Original Message- From: Jurgen Frenz To: Leonard Williams Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sun, May 24, 2020 8:06 am Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute strap I find the strap discussion quite interesting especially what Leonhard Williams just said - it reminds me (and everybody who likes to think about his/her playing) that the simple position we sit down and hold the instrument has quite an impact on our playing. As often, there is no "rule" except that everybody has to figure out how it's real comfortable to play. I strongly believe that the instrument has to sit there without any additional effort to hold it, one needs to figure out how that exactly can be achieved. Good luck! âââââââ Original Message âââââââ On Saturday, May 23, 2020 11:45 PM, Leonard Williams <[1]arc...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote: > Yes--the shelf liner material works very nicely to de-grease the piggy! > I actually use a footstool on the right to get the lute up a little > higher (thigh under the widest point). Can't say it's improved my > playing, however. > Leonard Williams > -Original Message- > From: John Mardinly [2]john.mardi...@asu.edu > To: howard posner [3]howardpos...@ca.rr.com; Lute List > [4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Sent: Sat, May 23, 2020 2:47 pm > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute strap > I've been playing without a strap since 1970. However, I must admit > that holding the lute is a bit like holding a greased pig. What works > for me now is rubberized shelf liner: > [1][5]https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LWAPOO1/ref=sspa_dk_detail_4?psc=1 d_r > d_i=B01LWAPOO1_rd_w=kPNRm_rd_p=48d372c1-f7e1-4b8b-9d02-4bd86f5158 > c5_rd_wg=FAgbm_rd_r=6BF0CZFPTPEJ3V0B4C0J_rd_r=b4cc3dc9-fcdd-4e > 91-871f-3a45b2ca6f75=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyQlpFOVExWUNKOFBTJ > mVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMzAxNTgzMVdHTVVXMjg5QjlLUiZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNzkz > MDU1NFFLQzJMQzQzRVIzJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfZGV0YWlsJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGl > yZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ== > Cut out a 15'x15' piece for each thigh, and use a footstool for the > left leg like guitarists use. The lute is then fairly stable. Makes a > guitar a bit more stable also. $5 buys enough to last a lifetime. > A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. > Classical Guitarist/Lutenist > > > On May 22, 2020, at 4:16 PM, howard posner > > <[2][6]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On May 22, 2020, at 7:19 AM, Christopher Stetson > > <[3][7]christophertstet...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, all. I've been playing without a strap since 1974. It is > > possible. > > > > > > Arthur: Ah. Look, the statue. How do get the cup bit to stay where it > > is, unsupported? > > > > > > Wise Old Bird: It stays there because it's artistically right. > > > > > > Arthur: What? > > > > > > WOB: The Law of Gravity isn't as indiscriminate as people often > > think. You learn things like that when you're a bird. > > > > > > --Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (original radio script) Fit the > > Tenth > > > > > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > > > > [4][8]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmo uth > .edu_-7Ewbc_lute-2Dadmin_index.html=DwIFaQ=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n > 1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E=T0D > BLPWi-JsEl3u9ihtW2Cu9gVo3NkkKh4as-2CmlkM=7riCOmG8O7h8gdO6D70sBjwmU8mI > 2u_3cw-r5nvTuEw= > > --- --- --- --- --- > > References > > 1. [9]https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LWAPOO1/ref=sspa_dk_detail_4?psc=1_r
[LUTE] Re: Lute strap
I find the strap discussion quite interesting especially what Leonhard Williams just said - it reminds me (and everybody who likes to think about his/her playing) that the simple position we sit down and hold the instrument has quite an impact on our playing. As often, there is no "rule" except that everybody has to figure out how it's real comfortable to play. I strongly believe that the instrument has to sit there without any additional effort to hold it, one needs to figure out how that exactly can be achieved. Good luck! ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Saturday, May 23, 2020 11:45 PM, Leonard Williams wrote: > Yes--the shelf liner material works very nicely to de-grease the piggy! > I actually use a footstool on the right to get the lute up a little > higher (thigh under the widest point). Can't say it's improved my > playing, however. > Leonard Williams > -Original Message- > From: John Mardinly john.mardi...@asu.edu > To: howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com; Lute List > lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Sent: Sat, May 23, 2020 2:47 pm > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute strap > I've been playing without a strap since 1970. However, I must admit > that holding the lute is a bit like holding a greased pig. What works > for me now is rubberized shelf liner: > [1]https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LWAPOO1/ref=sspa_dk_detail_4?psc=1_r > d_i=B01LWAPOO1_rd_w=kPNRm_rd_p=48d372c1-f7e1-4b8b-9d02-4bd86f5158 > c5_rd_wg=FAgbm_rd_r=6BF0CZFPTPEJ3V0B4C0J_rd_r=b4cc3dc9-fcdd-4e > 91-871f-3a45b2ca6f75=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyQlpFOVExWUNKOFBTJ > mVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMzAxNTgzMVdHTVVXMjg5QjlLUiZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNzkz > MDU1NFFLQzJMQzQzRVIzJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfZGV0YWlsJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGl > yZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ== > Cut out a 15'x15' piece for each thigh, and use a footstool for the > left leg like guitarists use. The lute is then fairly stable. Makes a > guitar a bit more stable also. $5 buys enough to last a lifetime. > A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. > Classical Guitarist/Lutenist > > > On May 22, 2020, at 4:16 PM, howard posner > > <[2]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On May 22, 2020, at 7:19 AM, Christopher Stetson > > <[3]christophertstet...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, all. I've been playing without a strap since 1974. It is > > possible. > > > > > > Arthur: Ah. Look, the statue. How do get the cup bit to stay where it > > is, unsupported? > > > > > > Wise Old Bird: It stays there because it's artistically right. > > > > > > Arthur: What? > > > > > > WOB: The Law of Gravity isn't as indiscriminate as people often > > think. You learn things like that when you're a bird. > > > > > > --Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (original radio script) Fit the > > Tenth > > > > > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > > > > [4]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmouth > .edu_-7Ewbc_lute-2Dadmin_index.html=DwIFaQ=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n > 1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E=T0D > BLPWi-JsEl3u9ihtW2Cu9gVo3NkkKh4as-2CmlkM=7riCOmG8O7h8gdO6D70sBjwmU8mI > 2u_3cw-r5nvTuEw= > > --- > > References > > 1. > https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LWAPOO1/ref=sspa_dk_detail_4?psc=1_rd_i=B01LWAPOO1_rd_w=kPNRm_rd_p=48d372c1-f7e1-4b8b-9d02-4bd86f5158c5_rd_wg=FAgbm_rd_r=6BF0CZFPTPEJ3V0B4C0J_rd_r=b4cc3dc9-fcdd-4e91-871f-3a45b2ca6f75=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyQlpFOVExWUNKOFBTJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMzAxNTgzMVdHTVVXMjg5QjlLUiZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNzkzMDU1NFFLQzJMQzQzRVIzJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfZGV0YWlsJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ== > 2. mailto:howardpos...@ca.rr.com > 3. mailto:christophertstet...@gmail.com > 4. > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmouth.edu_-7Ewbc_lute-2Dadmin_index.html=DwIFaQ=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E=T0DBLPWi-JsEl3u9ihtW2Cu9gVo3NkkKh4as-2CmlkM=7riCOmG8O7h8gdO6D70sBjwmU8mI2u_3cw-r5nvTuEw=
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Recodings of pieces from the Burwell Lute Tutor
Dear lute friends, Over the last months or so I tried playing nearly all pieces presented in the Burwell Lute Tutor book, after I identified (if possible), corrected and completed majority of these pieces. Today I have uploaded the MP3 versions of my home recordings of baroque lute pieces from the âBurwell Lute Tutorâ to [1]https://soundcloud.com/user-731566193/sets/baroque-lute-pieces-from- the-burwell-lute-tutor-1670 as playlist of my Soundcloud channel "Viennalute A" ([2]https://soundcloud.com/user-731566193). Following pieces are included: Corante_Du-But_d-minor, Saraband-J-Gaultier_F-Major, LesTricotins_d-minor, Sarabande-de Madame Royale-Pinel, Courante-d-minor_ano, Sarabande-F-major-anonym, Saraband-Mortmar-d-minor, Corant-Mr-Gaultier-F-Major, Saraband-Mr-Vincent-g-minor, Sarabande-Mr-Gaultier-Paris-a-minor, Corant-MrPinel-C-Major, Preludeum_vieux-Gaultier-F-Major. A PDF copy of my own tablature compilation of all pieces is available on request. As you may know, the âBurwell Lute Tutorâ is a manuscript tutor for the baroque lute. The manuscript is Miss Mary Burwellâs (born 1654) copy of a method written by an Englishman (the name Mr. John Rogers has been suggested) who claims was himself a pupil of the French Ennemond Gaultier. The teacher corrected Miss Burwellâs copy of the text and filled in the music examples. Both the âBurwell Lute Tutorâ and âThe Lute Made Easieâ (by Thomas Mace, London, 1676) are two very authentic and surviving sources of its time teaching in great detail from A to Z how to play the baroque lute. For teaching practice, the manuscript contains examples of French-style lute pieces, mainly fragments and sometimes individual bars only. The music examples are chaotic, with both teacher and pupil contributing to mistakes Some of the pieces are known, and concordances exist in other lute manuscripts, other pieces are new and unique. However, the manuscript describes in great detail how the music is played on the baroque lute, when and how to use the left hand, the thumb and the first and second finger of the right hand, how to play big and the small chords, ornaments, etc. In many cases, each measure is individually analysed how to play and present it. Thus, the baroque lute pieces of the 17th century collection in the Burwell Lute Tutor exactly shows the repertoire of an amateur lute player (like me) of the second half of the 17th century, and what the pupil should be capable to play under the supervision of an experienced lute teacher. By no means I pretend to play the baroque lute as good as it should be played, however I try the best I can to observe all authentic instructions given by Mrs. Burwell's teacher, being a Vienna-based lute amateur more than 350 years later. I play all pieces on my gut strung 11-course Frei lute (string length is 67 cm, build by Mr. Renatus Lechner), which should be very close to Miss Mary Burwellâs instrument. My other lute channels are "Viennalute-1" ([3]https://soundcloud.com/user-32080944) and "Viennalute-2" ([4]https://soundcloud.com/user-731566193). Please stay healthy and resist Corona! Ernst Bernhard from Vienna. -- References 1. https://soundcloud.com/user-731566193/sets/baroque-lute-pieces-from-the-burwell-lute-tutor-1670 2. https://soundcloud.com/user-731566193 3. https://soundcloud.com/user-32080944 4. https://soundcloud.com/user-731566193 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
