[LUTE] Re: La Bella strings

[Matthew Daillie]

Dear Edward,

I ordered some La Bella strings a few years back and their calculations were 
way off. I was able to do my own for the nylon strings by measuring the 
diameter but it was really hit and miss for the copper-wound strings as I 
didn't have any basis for calculation. The strings they suggested on their 
website were totally inappropriate (far too slack). I did contact them about 
this issue but they never sorted anything out. Shame, because their strings are 
well made and reasonably priced.

Best

Matthew


On 24 avr. 2014, at 11:12, "Edward C. Yong"  wrote:

> Hi lutelisters!
> 
> So a student of mine picked up a set of La Bella lute strings w octaves and 
> we strung up her Turkish-made 8-course lute (59cm string length) with them. 
> 
> Then I noticed something very odd - the higher octaves were far too loose at 
> the correct pitch as they were flabby and flopped about. Checking the 
> diameters, I realised were basically the appropriate diameters for tuning at 
> TWO octaves above the fundamental. For example, the nylon octave D on the 8th 
> course was the same diameter as the nylon D on the 2nd course.
> 
> Next, the tension on the bass courses seems far too low - they also flop 
> about and buzz annoyingly.
> 
> This is quite perplexing - the tensions listed in the pdf on the La Bella 
> website already seem quite low, but when strung up, the strings feel far 
> looser than what is listed. Also, when I use Arto Wikla's string calculator 
> and feed in the density + string length + diameter, the resulting tensions is 
> significantly lower than what La Bella indicates. 
> 
> I haven't used La Bella in nearly two decades. Can anyone advise if I'm 
> imagining things?
> 
> Edward Chrysogonus Yong
> edward.y...@gmail.com
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Re: Re: 'Privé de duex beaux yeux', from Ballard's book of 1626.

[Matthew Daillie]

Hi Rob,

There is an instrumental version in Albrecht Werl's Lutebook (2r Aria [Privé de 
deux beaux yeux] / 4 P. Ballard: RISM B/I 16288, f. 27v; cf. n° 168 et 207.
In the same book there is a pièce inspired by a song by Guédron called 'En fin 
ces beaux yeux' (80v) but I haven't made a comparison.

I have several of the airs de cour books published by Ballard (Minkoff 
facsimiles) but unfortunately not the 1626 one (VII in the series), where the 
piece appears as being by an anonymous composer. The Minkoff facsimile is no 
longer available but I believe the Centre de musique baroque de Versailles is 
going to publish all of Ballard's books (but they will probably be very 
expensive):

http://philidor.cmbv.fr/Publications/Catalogues-de-genre/Pierre-I-Ballard-et-Robert-III-Ballard-Imprimeurs-du-roy-pour-la-musique-1599-1673/Recueils/BATAILLE-Gabriel-1575-ca-1630-AIRS-DE-COUR-ET-DE-DIFFERENTS-AUTEURS-VII/(language)/fre-FR

They have already published the collected Airs de cour of Pierre Guédron and 
two books by Moulinié:

http://editions.cmbv.fr/achat/produit_details.php?id=963
http://editions.cmbv.fr/achat/produit_details.php?id=1059
http://editions.cmbv.fr/achat/produit_details.php?id=1060

Best wishes

Matthew

On 7 mai 2014, at 17:57, Rob MacKillop  wrote:

>   Just to clear up a little confusion...Peter Steur send a reference to
>   it in Kremsmunster L81, and I hit Reply To All, but it never reached
>   the Lute List. This is what I said:
>   Thanks for theA KremsmA 1/4nster reference, Peter. I can see it on
>   Scribd, but I can't make out the text, or even the second part of the
>   title. Can you help with that?
>   I know the piece as the untitled Courante and Double (as it has become
>   known) from the Panmure 5 manuscript, in harp-sharp tuning. And there
>   is a version for viol in a manuscript in Manchester. But today I
>   learned it is also the song in Ballard's edition of 1626 (not a lute
>   book, I am told).A
>   So, I'd dearly love to see the song version, but any other version such
>   as theA KremsmA 1/4nster would be of great interest too. It's such a
>   beautiful piece.A
>   Thanks again, Peter.
>   Rob
> 
>   On 7 May 2014 16:47, Rob MacKillop <[1]robmackil...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>   A  A Ah, it says Courante de Gaultier - don't know why I couldn't see
>   that
>   A  A before.
>   A  A Rob
> 
> A  A [1][2]www.robmackillop.net
> 
>   A  A On 7 May 2014, at 16:23, "Peter Steur" <[2][3]p.st...@inrim.it>
>   wrote:
>   A  A Hi Rob,
> 
> A  A I just happen to have a copy of this song in the Kremsmuenster
> 
>   A  A manuscript L81, it's the Courante at the top. Hope this helps.
>   A  A Peter
>   A  A ---Messaggio originale---
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> A  A Da: [3]Rob MacKillop
> 
>   A  A Data: 07/05/2014 17:09:27
> 
> A  A A: [4]LuteNet list
> A  A Oggetto: [LUTE] 'Prive de duex beaux yeux', from Ballard's book
> of
> A  A 1626.
> A  A Can anyone send me, or direct me to, a copy of one song: 'Prive
> de duex
> 
>   A  A beaux yeux', from Ballard's book of 1626? Much obliged.
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[LUTE] Re: Kapsberger

[Matthew Daillie]

In Julie Anne Sadie's Companion to Baroque Music it is given as c.1580.
Best
Matthew



> On May 21, 2014, at 15:38, Monica Hall  wrote:
> 
>   Is Kapsberger's date of birth known more precisely than 1580 given in
>   Groves on line?
> 
> 
> 
>   Monica
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[LUTE] Re: Converts

[Matthew Daillie]

In my opinion, if only the neck was changed, then the conversion is not 
complete. Generally baroque barring would be quite different, to what degree 
depending to an extent on what the lute was converted from (early 6-course or 
late 10-course?).

Best

Matthew


On 27 juin 2014, at 11:00, Dieter Schmidt  wrote:

>   Dear collected wisdom,
> 
>   I have a lute, which is rebuilt the model MI54 in the Germanic National
>   Museum.
> 
>   http://objektkatalog.gnm.de/objekt/MI54
> 
>   This is a shell and top of Laux Maler converted into a baroque lute.
>   The instrument has the possibilities to play a baroque lute (13 course
>   swan neck), but the sound is more of a renaissance lute (a bit "dry").
>   My question is whether this is generally the case. Do lutes that are
>   converted from a renaissance lute to a baroque one (only changed the
>   neck) sound like renaissance lutes and only those instruments that are
>   designed as baroque lutes have the typical sound (resonance)?
> 
>   Thank you and best regards
>   Dieter
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Belgian radio broadcast in German - 60 min presenting 2 new CDS

[Matthew Daillie]

The 4th piece (starting at 6'48 in the programme) is the Passamezzo from the F 
minor sonata, which is on page 54 of the facsimile.

Best

Matthew


On 11 juil. 2014, at 12:20, Ed Durbrow  wrote:

> What is the 4th piece he plays? It sounds like a passamezzo in Fm. I cannot 
> find it in the 1620 publication. So what is the source for this music? 
> I’m on a Galilei kick myself, at the moment.
> Thanks,
> 
> On Jul 10, 2014, at 6:08 PM, b...@symbol4.de wrote:
> 
>> 
>>  with samples from
>> 
>>  A.Bailes : M. Galilei
>> 
>>  Anna Reinhold sings & Th. Dunford plays B. Strozzi,
>>  Monteverdi, Kapsperger
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  http://brf.be/brf1/klassikzeit/773964/
>> 
>> 
>>  Amicalement
>>  Bernd
>> 
>> 
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> 
> Ed Durbrow
> Saitama, Japan
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> https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow
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[LUTE] Re: Belgian radio broadcast in German - 60 min presenting 2 new CDS

[Matthew Daillie]

You can find Sarge Gerbode's modern edition here:

http://www.gerbode.net/composers/MGalilei/v_1_1620/pdf/50_passemezzo_02.pdf

There are 56 pages of tablature in the original edition.

Best

Matthew


On 11 juil. 2014, at 13:27, Ed Durbrow  wrote:

> Page 54! My copy, an old xerox which my guitar teacher gave me in the 70s, 
> ends at page 53.
> Dang. How much more is there?
> 
> On Jul 11, 2014, at 7:41 PM, Matthew Daillie  wrote:
> 
>> The 4th piece (starting at 6'48 in the programme) is the Passamezzo from the 
>> F minor sonata, which is on page 54 of the facsimile.
>> 
>> Best
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>> On 11 juil. 2014, at 12:20, Ed Durbrow  wrote:
>> 
>>> What is the 4th piece he plays? It sounds like a passamezzo in Fm. I cannot 
>>> find it in the 1620 publication. So what is the source for this music? 
>>> I’m on a Galilei kick myself, at the moment.
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2014, at 6:08 PM, b...@symbol4.de wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> with samples from
>>>> 
>>>> A.Bailes : M. Galilei
>>>> 
>>>> Anna Reinhold sings & Th. Dunford plays B. Strozzi,
>>>> Monteverdi, Kapsperger
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> http://brf.be/brf1/klassikzeit/773964/
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Amicalement
>>>> Bernd
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> To get on or off this list see list information at
>>>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>>> 
>>> Ed Durbrow
>>> Saitama, Japan
>>> http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch
>>> https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow
>>> http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>> 
>> 
> 
> Ed Durbrow
> Saitama, Japan
> http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch
> https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow
> http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/
> 
> 

[LUTE] Re: Liuto attiorbato strings

[Matthew Daillie]

I have never strung a liuto attiorbato but the principles should be exactly the 
same as for any other lute with an extended neck such a swan-neck 13-course. I 
find that the longer the string length, the more tension you have to put on to 
get the same feel under the fingers. Similarly, for a small instrument (such as 
a 6-course in a') the tension has to be considerably less.

I find the string calculations given below to be rather odd. Personally I would 
definitely put more tension on the bass strings (I would aim for a little over 
3Kg on the bass strings of the lower neck and say 3.2Kg for those of the upper 
neck). I don't buy into the idea of graduating the tension down as you go 
towards the bass (e.g. in the list below the 3rd course is at 3.4Kg whereas the 
7th course is only at 2.6 Kg). The octave strings need to be slacker than the 
basses by about  0.3 Kg- 0.5 Kg. I also find it useful to pull the bass strings 
up a bit so that there is a slight angle with the octave strings when you pluck 
down with the thumb, but that is another issue.

Obviously each instrument has its own characteristics (hardness of top, 
barring, etc) and these tensions can only be a guideline. It is not easy to 
experiment with just one course at the 'right' tension as the overall bridge 
tension is going to have any effect on how each course feels and how the 
instruments reacts, but it can at least give you some idea without going to too 
much expense.

The other thing to take into account is where you play with the right-hand. If 
it's very close to the bridge then you can get away with less tension.

Best

Matthew

On 13 juil. 2014, at 00:18, David Morales  
wrote:

>   Dear Bruno,
>   You can try the gamut's strings calculator. It suggests the following
>   setup for liuto attiorbato (aA5Hz):
>   
>   Thirteen Course Baroque Lute with Bass Extension
>   String length for first courses 1 - 7 on fingerboard in cm (Range
>   68-82)
>   String length for courses 8 - 13 on extension (Range 70-130)
>   f-1 329.63 4Kg
>   d-2 277.18 3.8Kg A
>   a-3 207.65 3.4KgA
>   F-4 164.8 3KgA
>   D-5 138.59 2.8Kg A
>   A-6 103.83 2.7KgA
>   a-6 207.65 2.7KgA
>   G-7 92.5 2.6KgA
>   g-7 185 2.6Kg
>   F-8 82.4 2.6Kg A
>   f-8 164.8 2.6KgA
>   E-9 77.78 2.6KgA
>   e-9 155.56 2.6KgA
>   D-10 69.3 2.6KgA
>   d-10 138.59 2.6KgA
>   C-11 61.47 2.6KgA
>   c-11 123.47 2.6KgA
>   B-12 58.2 2.6KgA
>   b-12 116.54 2.6KgA
>   A-13 51.91 2.6KgA
>   a-13 103.83 2.6Kg
>   
>   So, as you can see, 2.6Kg is their proper tension for these courses.
>   Anyway, you can play with the calculator and adjust it to your
>   preferences. And, of course, you can also use their quick calculator
>   (for custom hz, string length and tension calculations).
>   We use it a lot in our
>   store:A [1]http://www.cuerdaspulsadas.com/calculadoras-de-calibres
>   Regards
>   David Morales
> 
>   2014-07-12 23:55 GMT+02:00 Bruno Correia <[2]bruno.l...@gmail.com>:
> 
> A  A Could someone tell the avarage tension for the basses and
> octaves for a
> A  A liuto attiorbato (G at 415, 7 x2 = 635 cm, 7 x 2 = 92cm). I
> need to
> A  A order strings and I'm pretty confused to calculate the basses
> and their
> A  A octaves. The programs I've tried are for the long archlute, so
> the
> A  A tension should not be the same, and there are also the octaves.
> A  A Thanks.
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[LUTE] Re: Bare spot on soundboard.

[Matthew Daillie]

This is inevitable and is part of the life of the lute. The more worn it is, 
the more it shows you've been practicing! After a few years, the soundboards of 
the instruments of some professional players can look as though they are going 
to develop a hole where the little finger rests, but I've never seen that 
actually happen.

If you wash your hands before you play and keep the fingernail of your little 
finger short, then you have absolutely nothing to worry about. I wouldn't 
attempt to try any sort of patching of the finish, it will probably just make 
things worse. If the soundboard is dirty you can try using a plastic (not 
rubber) eraser but you have to be very careful not to apply any pressure and to 
go along the grain of the wood.

In time you probably won't even notice that there is a mark where your little 
finger rests and if you do, you might actually grow to like it!.

Best,

Matthew


On 27 juil. 2014, at 22:51, Herbert Ward  wrote:

> I've worn a spot on the soundboard with my RH pinkie.
> The bare wood is starting to show through the finish.
> Should I do anything?
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: fuzzy lute

[Matthew Daillie]

Hi Wayne,

This is a common problem with instruments that are new but it is strange that 
your varnish has not hardened after all these years. I you leave it out of the 
case for a while, do the marks go away? Some varnishes seem to be 
'self-healing' like that.

It's difficult to give a general recommendation to solve this type of problem; 
it is best to check with the maker first as varnish recipes are very personal 
and each luthier will probably have a polish he would recommend for his 
particular finish. In my experience, if you leave the lute out of its case for 
a while and then use a very light  polish (I have some water-based stuff from 
here in France which can be diluted and is called 'Super Nikco Vernilline) with 
some fine non abrasive wadding (such as is used for polishing cars) then you 
could probably get the marks to disappear completely. It would probably be best 
to wait for the weather to get cooler and less humid. You could also put some 
non-marking cloth in the case so that the lute's finish is not directly in 
contact with the lining. Obviously get advice from your lute maker and if you 
do use a polish, try on a small part of the surface first before risking doing 
any damage.

Best

Matthew


On 28 juil. 2014, at 15:39, wayne cripps  wrote:

> 
> Hi people -
> 
> One of my lutes has a varnish finish, and in the humid weather the fuzz from 
> the case lining sticks to the varnish, and gives part of the bowl a flocked 
> look!  Can you suggest a way to get the fuzz off and keep it from sticking 
> again?  The lute is about 20 years old.
> 
>  Wayne
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Bare spot on soundboard.

[Matthew Daillie]

I did mean a plastic rubber (UK) or eraser (US) not a cloth to rub a finish on.
Matthew



> On Jul 28, 2014, at 17:16, Martyn Hodgson  wrote:
> 
>   A 'rubber' in this context isn't an eraser - the other meaning for the
>   term outside the USA - much less a condom! It's a piece of cloth loaded
>   with a finish which is 'rubbed' onto the surface. The terminology is
>   fairly old and also commonly used by French polishers for their spirit
>   finishes.
>   MH
> __
> 
>   From: Geoff Gaherty 
>   To: "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" 
>   Sent: Monday, 28 July 2014, 13:03
>   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bare spot on soundboard.
>>   On 2014-07-28, 2:52 AM, Martyn Hodgson wrote:
>> Apply sparingly with a rubber, wipe off any excess and leave for
>>   several weeks to more fully oxidise and harden.
>   Remind us what "rubber" means in the UK.  In North America it means
>   "condom"!
>   Geoff
>   --
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[LUTE] Re: Problems with new nylgut string on top course

[Matthew Daillie]

Dear Simon,

One has to be wary about the nomenclature for nylgut strings as Aquila change 
their formula without informing customers. The old white nylgut was replaced by 
the 'new' rather sickly yellow material a few years back. The 0.40 diameter 
strings were very problematic and would indeed snap without warning. I, too, 
tried every trick in the book to make sure the grooves on the nut of my lute 
were smooth before realising that the strings were the problem.

There are now 'new new' nylgut strings available. They used only to exist in 
thick diameters and as long strings (NGE) but they are now available across the 
range. They are very shiny compared to the 'old new' nylgut and the thicker 
strings can be a pain to wind onto a peg because they are very stretchy. I have 
been sent a couple of samples but haven't tried them yet but I have been told 
by other players that they no longer break easily and that the sound is pretty 
convincing. The reference remains the same (NG).

Best wishes

Matthew


On 4 sept. 2014, at 18:26, simon.lamb...@stfc.ac.uk wrote:

> Dear Lutelisters,
> 
> 
> 
> I am trying to replace the top course on a lute with a 0.4 mm "new nylgut" 
> string, and I am finding that these strings constantly break at the nut 
> before coming up to pitch.  I have tried three strings and they all have 
> broken.
> 
> 
> 
> Previously the lute had an "old nylgut" string of the same gauge, which 
> lasted well.  I also tried a gut string, which did not break, though it soon 
> started fraying so I had to remove it.  So it seems unlikely that there is a 
> sharp edge on my nut.
> 
> 
> 
> I know this subject has come up before.  Someone suggested boiling the string 
> in water for 20 seconds but that made no difference - it broke just like the 
> others.
> 
> 
> 
> Could I have a bad batch of strings?  Does anyone else have experience or 
> advice?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
>Simon lambert
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: ML lutebook (aka sturt lutebook, Add. 38539)

[Matthew Daillie]

It's not a tab staff. Robert Spencer comments:
'Forty-six permutations of the scale of C major in bass clef, suggesting 
changes for bell ringers, or sight-singing exercises. If and how these relate 
to the lute is not clear.'
Best
Matthew



> On Sep 12, 2014, at 22:46, Leonard Williams  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know the significance of the first page of the ML book?  It's
> all 0's on a tab staff and appears to be variations of arpeggiation.  The
> page appears here:
> 
> http://www.gerbode.net/facsimiles/british_library/BL_MS_Add_38539_john_stur
> t_lute_book/01v.png
> 
> [cut and paste may be needed to correctly transfer the address to your
> browser]
> 
> A right hand exercise?
> 
> Leonard Williams
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Le Roy - En espoir vis

[Matthew Daillie]

0

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[LUTE] Re: Le Roy - En espoir vis

[Matthew Daillie]

0

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[LUTE] Re: Le Roy - En espoir vis

[Matthew Daillie]

I twice tried sending a reply to Anton with a scan of the piece he was looking 
for but for some reason (attachment fearing, over zealous anti-virus set-up?) 
the body of my message got replaced with a '0'.

Best

Matthew


On 21 sept. 2014, at 11:45, Matthew Daillie  wrote:

> 0
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[LUTE] Re: Neapolitan tablature?

[Matthew Daillie]

You might like to read the introduction to Neapolitan lute music  edited by 
John Griffiths, Dinko Fabris (notably page X):

http://books.google.fr/books?id=q8qr4CLOxysC&pg=PR10&lpg=PR10&dq=neapolitan+tablature&source=bl&ots=jXb09E-LE3&sig=I-mxbo6DHtpCkFABYvORt1giXcw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=4oI9VIHQKILMONvrgbAC&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=neapolitan%20tablature&f=false

Andreas Schlegel and Joachim Lüdtke in 'The Lute in Europe 2' comment that the 
fact that 'this tablature does not employ the zero could be taken a an argument 
for quite an early date of the system because the zero was not generally 
employed as a numeral in Europe prior to 1491'.

Best

Matthew


On 14 oct. 2014, at 21:10, Gary Boye  wrote:

>   CW:
>   Does anyone know where the term "Neapolitan Lute Tablature" (i.e., a
>   tablature without the zero and with the same string orientation as
>   French tablature) originates?
>   I've always been a little queasy about the term, but it seemed
>   relatively convenient, so I've used it in my web pages. The earliest
>   extant use of it is in I-PESo MS Pesaro 1144 [1490-1511], which comes
>   from central Italy (far from Naples). I-Bu MS 596. HH. 2 [c1500?-1560]
>   is from Naples, as is Francesco da Milano 1536c, the most important use
>   of this notation. So it may be associated with Naples, but I'm still
>   not sure when the term itself was coined (I assume in the 20th
>   century?).
>   Gary
> --
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> Professor and Music Librarian
> Appalachian State University
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[LUTE] Re: beginners, and practicalities of buying lutes

[Matthew Daillie]

Hi Roman,

Well, we've had this discussion before but I really can't agree on your minimum 
width for a 13-course lute. In paragraph 3 you say ' Make sure the bridge is 
not too narrow, ideally in the vicinity of 155mm between the 1st and the 13th 
course. If it measures only 145mm - stay away. Your thumb will be very sorry, 
and rather useless. Personally I think that 145 mm is a very comfortable 
spacing and anything over 150 mm quickly becomes unmanageable. Overall width is 
just one factor, and the distance between individual courses and the strings of 
each course is another. I have played a well set-up lute with a bridge space of 
140 mm which felt very natural. People have different techniques and 
preferences so I don't think such a sweeping statement can be left 
unquestioned, especially when, as David Van Edwards points out, there is so 
much variety in historical bridge spaces.

As for the action recommendations in paragraph 4, I agree that anything above 
4mm at the 8th fret is to be avoided, but some very well set-up lutes can have 
an action as low as 2.8 mm and not buzz even when played powerfully. Here again 
I feel that one has to bring other factors into account such as how true the 
fingerboard is, it's thickness and width, how it is fretted and how the dishing 
is built into the soundboard.

Paragraph 6 deals with the problems with swan-neck lutes. It is almost 
inevitable that even the best made of these models often have the upper neck 
pull up and twist over time, it is pretty much inherent in the design and can 
require remedial work (such as a new upper nut, for example). I have never 
heard of that pulling a bridge off though.

Best

Matthew

On 15 oct. 2014, at 17:30, "r.turov...@gmail.com"  wrote:

> Dear Collective Wisdom,
> Recently I had a few unpleasant conversations with some lute sellers, whose 
> sales were thwarted by the advice given by me.
> Therefore I've decided to update and revise an old article of mine to reflect 
> the practicalities of buying used lutes. So now I'm canvassing
> for ideas that can be added to it -
> http://polyhymnion.org/swv/theaxe.html
> Reply publicly!
> RT
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: beginners, and practicalities of buying lutes

[Matthew Daillie]

Hear, hear!



> On Oct 15, 2014, at 22:50, howard posner  wrote:
> 
> OK, but if you’re catching flak about your remarks on bridge spacing, and you 
> know you won’t change those remarks even to say that not everyone agrees with 
> you about it, why are you asking for ideas?
> 
>> On Oct 15, 2014, at 12:58 PM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> No way.
>> I'm channeling Pat's idea/ls.
>> RT
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10/15/2014 3:51 PM, howard posner wrote:
 On Oct 15, 2014, at 12:39 PM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Actually the brouhaha was mainly about the bridge width, even before I 
 could get to the distorted swanneck curve..
>>> Previous discussions indicate that there’s a lot of disagreement with your 
>>> view of bridge spacing; you might want to make it clear that there are 
>>> players who have different views.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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[LUTE] Re: Marco dall'Aquila edition

[Matthew Daillie]

Too large a folder to send by mail but I can upload to DropBox if nobody else 
has sent it to you in the meantime.

Best

Matthew

 
On 17 oct. 2014, at 01:08, al...@signtracks.com wrote:

> Darn, I am seeing this bit of information a little too late... Did someone 
> download this precious material who might be willing to send me a copy by 
> email(s)??
> Alain
> 
> On 2014-09-28 13:42, AJN wrote:
>> From: AJN
>>   Date: Sep 28, 2014 3:36:58 PM
>>   Subject: Re: Marco dall'Aquila edition
>>   To: arthurjn...@verizon.net, lute-requ...@cs.dartmouth.edu
>>I must sadly report that my ISP, verizon.com, has cancelled all its
>>   personal web pages, as of September 30th.
>>   So if you have an interest in Marco's music, you have a short while to
>>   download pieces (Italian tablature and grand staff transcriptions). You
>>   may know of CDs by Chris Wilson, Paul O'Dette and Sando Volta.
>>   I completed the edition some time ago, but it was a hassle to get it
>>   onto the web page, so only a portion of the edition is there.  As for
>>   another venue, that is an open question.
>>   Surely I'll let you know.  Marco is such a fine composer, perhaps the
>>   most important predecessor to Francesco.  You may know of Marco CDs by
>>   Chris Wilson, Paul O'Dette and Sandro Volta.
>>   [1]http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/marcodallaquila/
>>   The other scores (the Sinfonia, Lawes consort and Daube pieces) will go
>>   to ISMLP.
>> References
>>   1. http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/marcodallaquila/
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[LUTE] Re: Marco dall'Aquila edition

[Matthew Daillie]

I have had several requests for a DropBox link, I would just like Arthur's 
approval before sending it to people.

Best

Matthew


On 17 oct. 2014, at 09:20, Matthew Daillie  wrote:

> Too large a folder to send by mail but I can upload to DropBox if nobody else 
> has sent it to you in the meantime.
> 
> Best
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> On 17 oct. 2014, at 01:08, al...@signtracks.com wrote:
> 
>> Darn, I am seeing this bit of information a little too late... Did someone 
>> download this precious material who might be willing to send me a copy by 
>> email(s)??
>> Alain
>> 
>> On 2014-09-28 13:42, AJN wrote:
>>> From: AJN
>>>  Date: Sep 28, 2014 3:36:58 PM
>>>  Subject: Re: Marco dall'Aquila edition
>>>  To: arthurjn...@verizon.net, lute-requ...@cs.dartmouth.edu
>>>   I must sadly report that my ISP, verizon.com, has cancelled all its
>>>  personal web pages, as of September 30th.
>>>  So if you have an interest in Marco's music, you have a short while to
>>>  download pieces (Italian tablature and grand staff transcriptions). You
>>>  may know of CDs by Chris Wilson, Paul O'Dette and Sando Volta.
>>>  I completed the edition some time ago, but it was a hassle to get it
>>>  onto the web page, so only a portion of the edition is there.  As for
>>>  another venue, that is an open question.
>>>  Surely I'll let you know.  Marco is such a fine composer, perhaps the
>>>  most important predecessor to Francesco.  You may know of Marco CDs by
>>>  Chris Wilson, Paul O'Dette and Sandro Volta.
>>>  [1]http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/marcodallaquila/
>>>  The other scores (the Sinfonia, Lawes consort and Daube pieces) will go
>>>  to ISMLP.
>>> References
>>>  1. http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/marcodallaquila/
>>> To get on or off this list see list information at
>>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>> 
> 

[LUTE] Re: Marco dall'Aquila edition

[Matthew Daillie]

Hi,

I have now sent a DropBox link to people who wanted to download the files. I 
hope I haven't forgotten anyone, just send me an email if I have.

Best

Matthew


On 17 oct. 2014, at 01:08, al...@signtracks.com wrote:

> Darn, I am seeing this bit of information a little too late... Did someone 
> download this precious material who might be willing to send me a copy by 
> email(s)??
> Alain
> 
> On 2014-09-28 13:42, AJN wrote:
>> From: AJN
>>   Date: Sep 28, 2014 3:36:58 PM
>>   Subject: Re: Marco dall'Aquila edition
>>   To: arthurjn...@verizon.net, lute-requ...@cs.dartmouth.edu
>>I must sadly report that my ISP, verizon.com, has cancelled all its
>>   personal web pages, as of September 30th.
>>   So if you have an interest in Marco's music, you have a short while to
>>   download pieces (Italian tablature and grand staff transcriptions). You
>>   may know of CDs by Chris Wilson, Paul O'Dette and Sando Volta.
>>   I completed the edition some time ago, but it was a hassle to get it
>>   onto the web page, so only a portion of the edition is there.  As for
>>   another venue, that is an open question.
>>   Surely I'll let you know.  Marco is such a fine composer, perhaps the
>>   most important predecessor to Francesco.  You may know of Marco CDs by
>>   Chris Wilson, Paul O'Dette and Sandro Volta.
>>   [1]http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/marcodallaquila/
>>   The other scores (the Sinfonia, Lawes consort and Daube pieces) will go
>>   to ISMLP.
>> References
>>   1. http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/marcodallaquila/
>> To get on or off this list see list information at
>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> 

[LUTE] Re: Savarez KF strings etc.

[Matthew Daillie]

Dear Martin,

I don't know if this of any use to you but Savarez do supply software to 
calculate their strings tensions (a program called 'Selector'). If you ring 
them or drop a line, they will send a copy free of charge (or at least they 
used to!).

Best

Matthew


On 20 oct. 2014, at 14:41, Martin Shepherd  wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> I've had a few questions about the Savarez KF strings, so I thought I'd put 
> my answers (such as they are) out here for everyone to see.
> 
> Savarez make strings from PVF which they call "KF Alliance" strings.  As far 
> as I can tell these are the standard PVF monofilament made for fishing line.  
> They are perfectly transparent with a shiny surface, and about 10% more dense 
> than gut.  The largest string of this type they supply is .91mm.
> 
> They also make "KF" strings in larger diameters, with what they describe as a 
> "composite" construction.  The .95mm string is more opaque and less shiny 
> than the "Alliance" strings, but still quite smooth on the surface.  The 
> larger strings are more opaque and more textured.
> 
> The density of these strings is a matter of debate.  The Savarez website is 
> vague, in one place implying that the density is similar to gut, but also 
> suggesting that you might want to use thinner strings than you normally would 
> with gut (these strings seem to be aimed at harpists looking for a gut 
> substitute).  Many years ago I was told by a fellow lutemaker that the .95mm 
> string was the equivalent of a 1.11mm gut string, implying that the density 
> was about 17% greater than gut.  Arto Wikla told me that he had some strings 
> measured on a chemical balance and this gave a result of about 38% more dense 
> than gut, which seems implausibly high to me. What I don't understand is that 
> if these strings are made from PVF, how can they be more dense than the PVF 
> monofilament?
> 
> I have resorted to practical experiments, which have led me to prefer thinner 
> rather than thicker strings, whatever the actual tension.  I had been using a 
> .95 string as a 5th course on a 6c lute for many years, then more recently a 
> 1.25mm string (theoretically the same tension) on the 6th course.  Then one 
> day I ran out of 1.25 and tried 1.16 on the sixth course.  Once I got used to 
> it it worked fine.  I now work with a rule of thumb which assumes that the KF 
> strings are about 16% more dense than gut.  This may not be correct in terms 
> of the actual density, but in practice it gives me good results.
> 
> The biggest strings are still very stiff.  It is essential to thin the last 
> couple of inches of string to a much smaller diameter, preferably less than 
> 1mm, so that the portion of string which goes through the bridge and back 
> around itself at the front of the bridge is much more flexible.  The fact 
> that the first few mm of string where it leaves the bridge is thinner (and 
> possibly not even cylindrical) seems to have no effect.  This thinning of the 
> string makes it easier to tie onto the bridge (and does not require enlarging 
> the bridge hole), but improves the sound and also avoids the occasional 
> problem of the string buzzing where it virbates against the top of the 
> bridge.  I used abrasive paper to thin the string, but I'm open to 
> alternative suggestions!
> 
> To answer the question about string sizes for the liuto attiorbato (64/93cm, 
> tuned to g' at a'=392):
> 
> 1st .40 gut (x2)
> 2nd .48 gut
> 3rd .60 gut
> 4th .73 gut
> 5th KF91
> 6th KF116 + .68 gut
> 7th KF121 + .76 gut
> 8th KF86 + .51 gut
> 9th KF95 + .56 gut
> 10th KF108 + .64 gut
> 11th KF121 + .71 gut
> 12th KF132 + .76 gut
> 13th KF145 + .84 gut
> 14th KF160 + .94 gut
> 
> I tried nylon for the double first course but it was very difficult to tune 
> and just seemed too flexible.  The gut was stiffer and much easier to tune 
> and play.
> 
> Last year I also strung an 11c lute in a similar way (69cm, a'=392):
> 
> 1st .44 gut (single)
> 2nd .48 gut (single)
> 3rd  .60 gut
> 4th .74 gut
> 5th .82 gut
> 6th KF95 + .60 gut
> 7th KF105 + .64 gut
> 8th KF116 + .76 gut
> 9th KF125 + .80 gut
> 10th KF136 + .88 gut
> 11th KF150 + .97 gut
> 
> This worked very well, and it's such a treat to be able to use a decent 
> thickness for a gut top string, and at a tension which means the string lasts 
> quite well.  You can hear this lute on a short video by Peter Sinnaeve which 
> I shared on my Facebook timeline.
> 
> Finally, I have been told that the French company Parallelium make fishing 
> line called "hyperflourocarbon 3FC" which is made by a triple extrusion 
> process which gives a more flexible string.  I can't work out from their site 
> whether these strings are available in a large enough range of diameters for 
> our purposes, but perhaps someone else can enlighten me.  "Pike leaders" 
> appear to be 3FC but it is not clear whether "Shock leaders" are as well.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Martin
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Question

[Matthew Daillie]

Dear Luca,
I suspect that it is a Burkholzer copy by Lars Jönsson, about the same body 
size as the Fenton House Undervorben with a SL of around 71cm. The record 
company has put the CD booklet online here:
http://www.bgsrecords.com/products/images/pages/BGS120.pdf
Best
Matthew



> On Nov 23, 2014, at 0:11, Luca Manassero  wrote:
> 
>   Dear List wisdom,
>   I stumbled upon two beautiful Nigel North Weiss' recordings on
>   YouTube ([1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v-aeshHlvAO4 and
>   [2]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz6M98-LcTo): Nigel North plays a
>   beatiful 13 course Baroque lute which seems much "bigger" than the
>   usual Hoffman or Tielke models we tend to play.
>   Does anybody know what historical maker is that lute inspired to and
>   which lutemaker built it for him?
>   Thanks,
>   Luca
> 
> References
> 
>   1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v%C2%AAeshHlvAO4
>   2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz6M98-LcTo
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Narvaez

[Matthew Daillie]

For his doctoral thesis François Dry did a translation into French of all the 
texts from all of the vihuela books but I don't know if that is of any help.
Best
Matthew



> On Dec 7, 2014, at 10:17, Bernd Haegemann  wrote:
> 
>   Ole Sterling,
>   I can't remember having seen a translation. I put the 4 pages (660 kB)
>   here
>   [1]http://www.lute-academy.be/docstore/temp/narvaez.pdf
>   just in case someone wants to prepare a christmas gift for us by
>   translating it :-)
>   The whole delfinarium is online:
> * Luys de Narvaez
>  + [2]Los seis libros del Delphin de musica de cifras para taner
>Vihuela., Valladolid, 1538[1]
>  + [3]Los seis libros del Delphin de musica de cifras para taner
>Vihuela., Valladolid, 1538[1] (another source)
> 
>   On 07.12.2014 08:38, sterling price wrote:
> 
>   Hi all--Can someone direct me to an English translation of the
>   instructions in the first book of Delphin de Musica of Narvaez?
>   Yes, I know it is hard to believe but I recently got a nice renaissance
>   lute and I am exploring the six course music for the first time. I
>   can't believe how much fun it is. And yes I know Narvaez is for
>   viheula...
>   Sterling
> 
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> References
> 
>   1. http://www.lute-academy.be/docstore/temp/narvaez.pdf
>   2. http://bdh.bne.es/bnesearch/detalle/2691784
>   3. http://www.gerbode.net/facsimiles/narvaez_los_seys_libros_del_delphin/
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[LUTE] Re: Matthew Locke

[Matthew Daillie]

Dear Mathias,

This is what the Grove has to say:

"Locke's keyboard music is less important. His harpsichord works, mostly 
printed in Melothesia, are simple pieces doubtless written for teaching, some 
arranged from consort dances. The seven organ voluntaries in Melothesia were 
probably also written for teaching, intended to serve as specimens of what was 
essentially an improvisation genre. Locke claimed in The Present Practice of 
Musick Vindicated that he had written lute pieces without having ‘the Practical 
Use of the Lute’. They are lost, as are the pieces for two flageolets that 
Pepys played with Thomas Greeting on 13 August 1668."

Matthew Spring, in 'The Lute in Britain', writes: "…the text of Locke's music 
to Shadwell's version of the Tempest printed in 1674…calls for a 'Band of 24 
Violins with the Harspicals and Theorbo's which accompany the Voices'" (p. 392).

Best

Matthew


On 21 déc. 2014, at 11:45, Mathias Rösel  wrote:

> Dear Collected Wisdom,
> 
> The German Wiki about Matthew Locke lists two movements (courante, sarabande) 
> and an entire suite in C major for the lute. Does somebody know where to find 
> those works?
> 
> Mathias
> 
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: December's lute

[Matthew Daillie]

In response to Martin's (probably rhetorical) question, Ballard is quite 
frequently played to complement programmes of French 'Airs de cour'. I don't 
agree with Omer that his music lacks variety. It is very well composed and 
deceptively simple. I find that to get a convincing result requires a lot of 
work because it is actually very demanding technically and suffers no 
imprecision.

I have a 10-course lute with a pretty big body (a slightly scaled-down Venere 
C36) and that accommodates 10 frets on the neck very comfortably with a 67.5 cm 
string length.

Best

Matthew

On 12 janv. 2015, at 18:19, Martin Shepherd  wrote:

> Thanks, Dan.  Just one small correction - this lute only has 8 frets on the 
> neck, so in terms of proportions it's the same as a "normal" short-necked 
> lute.  To achieve the magic 10-fret neck, you either have to have a much 
> smaller body with the same string length, or an even longer string length.  
> This one is 67cm.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Martin
> On 12/01/2015 18:06, Dan Winheld wrote:
>> Hi Martin-
>> 
>> Congrats on a beautiful, FINALLY THE REAL DEAL 10 course lute- ALL the
>> Ribs, ALL the courses, and (drum roll please) ALL THE FRETS! And the
>> right size/dimensional package.
>> 
>> Why has this been such a difficult thing to achieve? I
>> have been so disappointed over the decades seeing these weird, ugly short
>> neck 10 course lutes- some of them otherwise well built and beautiful,
>> that only needed the neck lengthened to be right.
>> 
>> I think part of the problem has been those lutenists who have been
>> blindly, doggedly obsessed with having a "G" lute at a=440 but not
>> having a clue about actual historical usage, concepts of pitch
>> (absolute, relative, conjectural, etc.) and wanting an "all purpose"
>> instrument so that performances of early to mid 16th century music will
>> sound bright (esp. if played thumb under) & be easier to finger. Got to
>> sympathise with that, but a shame to have compromised historical
>> designs- which were, after all, the best.
>> 
>> Best wishes, and please continue what you're doing!
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>> On 1/12/2015 1:03 AM, Martin Shepherd wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> A new page on my site features my most recent projects - this time a
>>> multirib10c lute strung with KF basses and double top string, with
>>> photos and soundfile:
>>> 
>>> http://www.luteshop.co.uk/Latest_work.html
>>> 
>>> More photos of the construction process can be seen on my Facebook
>>> page at www.facebook.com/luteshop
>>> 
>>> Why do people not play Ballard more often?
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Martin
>>> 
>>> 
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[LUTE] Re: Cul manuscripts available as bounded Pdfs to download

[Matthew Daillie]

Thanks Matteo,

I had started doing the same but did not get round to finishing! I have posted 
your email on the Ning Lute site.

Best wishes

Matthew


On 23 janv. 2015, at 18:25, Matteo Turri  wrote:

>   Dear Colleagues,
>   I have (bulk)-downloaded all pictures of the Cambridge lute manuscripts
>   (site below) and bound them together in nice pdfs.
>   Since I have not changed the resolution, some of them are quite big
>   (Dd.2.11: 263 MB).
>   You can get them from my Google drive:
>   [1]http://goo.gl/r2s8cz
>   As the original pictures, they are licensed under a Creative Commons
>   Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License (CC BY-NC 3.0)
>   Enjoy
>   Matteo
>   [2]http://cudl.lib.cam.ac.uk/collections/music
>   P.S. Can someone send this message to the Ning Lutegroup? Thanks!
>   On 22 January 2015 at 03:56, stephen arndt
>   <[3]stephenwar...@verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> Try this: [4]http://cudl.lib.cam.ac.uk/collections/music . As far as
> I can tell, though, for any given manuscript you have to download
> one page at a time. After an intense 120 seconds of looking, I
> didn't find a way to download an entire manuscript. Perhaps someone
> else can enlighten us.
> -Original Message- From: Stephen Fryer
> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 8:02 PM
> To: Lute List
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Cambridge goes on-line.
> 
>   On 21/01/2015 4:42 PM, Robert Clair wrote:
> 
> [5]http://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/crown-jewels-of-english-lute-m
> usic-go-online?utm_medium=email&utm_source=alumnewsletter
> <[6]http://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/crown-jewels-of-english-lute-
> music-go-online?utm_medium=email&utm_source=alumnewsletter>
> Apologies if someone already posted this.
> A-c-aNOTA|Bob
> 
>   Is there a URL somewhere to access the collection?
>   Stephen Fryer
>   To get on or off this list see list information at
>   [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> 
>   --
> 
> References
> 
>   1. http://goo.gl/r2s8cz
>   2. http://cudl.lib.cam.ac.uk/collections/music
>   3. mailto:stephenwar...@verizon.net
>   4. http://cudl.lib.cam.ac.uk/collections/music
>   5. 
> http://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/crown-jewels-of-english-lute-music-go-online?utm_medium=email&utm_source=alumnewsletter
>   6. 
> http://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/crown-jewels-of-english-lute-music-go-online?utm_medium=email&utm_source=alumnewsletter
>   7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: band-aid texture question

[Matthew Daillie]

Hi Wayne
Here in Provence the winter can be pretty dry too, especially when the mistral 
wind is blowing (although it's pouring with rain right now!).
I try to avoid aggressive detergents (some washing-up liquids, for example, can 
really lead to callous skin). Drinking enough water is a priority.
When the skin on my right-hand fingers gets rough (as it inevitably does at 
this time of year) I use a very light-grained emery paper to remove dead hard 
skin and a silica based hand cream (which is not oily) followed by a sprinkling 
of Venice talc. I couldn't imagine playing with any sort of band-aid. I presume 
you already wear gloves to protect your hands outdoors.
Best
Matthew


> On Jan 29, 2015, at 16:52, wayne cripps  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks -
> 
>  I am having serious issues with cracked skin on my thumb. about where it
> contacts the string, because of the dry winter weather here in the north.
> I am using band-aids to keep the crack closed, but the ones that I have tried 
> all are too slippery to get a good sound on the lute strings.  Has anyone 
> found a good answer to this problem - either some bandage that works well
> for plucking, or some other way to keep the skin from cracking?
> 
> Wayne
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Lute in the Future again

[Matthew Daillie]

As an innocent by-stander to these exchanges (lying low downstream to the 
trenches) but as a member of the lute community who reads most of the posts, I 
have been rather surprised by the veiled or sometimes outright criticism by Ron 
and Dr. Chris of other musicians' efforts and the unabashed self-promotion of 
their own productions. I was relieved to note however that Dr. Chris gave us 
permission to give his rendition of Bach published on YouTube a thumbs down as 
long as we left a 'constructive comment'. I have so far been unable to fulfil 
this condition so I am keeping my thumbs firmly in my pockets (and my tongue in 
cheek).

If we had no faults, we would not take so much pleasure in noticing those of 
others - François de La Rochefoucauld

Best,

Matthew


On 27 févr. 2015, at 03:59, howard posner  wrote:

> On Feb 26, 2015, at 1:33 PM, Christopher Wilke  wrote:
> 
>> Howard,
>> 
>> I'll be frank. You are having way too much fun tearing apart the sincere, 
>> heartfelt confessions of musicians who - quite unlike yourself - are 
>> struggling to simultaneously make a living and art in a difficult 
>> environment. I could counter-refute your semantics, but I don't think that 
>> would be productive as I suspect that you're really more interested in 
>> playing "gotcha" logic games than advancing the discourse.
>> 
>> You are free to disagree and contribute to the discussion in a constructive 
>> way, of course. I would ask, however, that you consider replying a bit more 
>> respectfully to those of us down in the trenches to whom topic is a more 
>> personal one than it will be to someone such as yourself who holds no real 
>> stake in the matter.
>> 
>> Chris
> 
> OK.  I’ve waited a few hours and taken a lot of deep breaths, so this is me 
> being calm.  
> 
> Danny wrote that he did not understand statements that unnamed organizations 
> were doing unstated things that benefitted some unnamed persons and harmed 
> other unnamed persons.  Since any such statement, however “heartfelt” or 
> however deep in the trenches it originates, is devoid of information and thus 
> meaningless for any practical purpose, his remark was so obviously 
> self-evident that I wonder why he even wasted the 30 seconds it took to type 
> it.
> 
> You responded by calling him a liar.  
> 
> This was beneath scorn, and certainly beneath you, and I think my response 
> was measured, inasmuch as I chose to explain the substance (actually the lack 
> of it) and ignore the personal attack on Danny.  I have no idea why you 
> thought you could get into a credibility contest with someone who has never 
> made an ill-considered remark in all the years he’s been in the lute 
> community, but you are way out of line.  You should refrain from talking 
> about  “respect” until you’ve apologized to him.
> 
> And don’t even get me started on "if one were make such statements, they 
> would represent an inappropriately dismissive response to the issues under 
> discussion.”
> 
> You need to take a step back.
> 
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Intabulation

[Matthew Daillie]

I would suggest going back to some of the historical sources such as Le Roy's 
"Instructions pour le luth" (only the English version survives) or "Il Fronimo" 
by Galilei which both deal specifically with intabulating vocal works for the 
lute.
Best
Matthew




> On Feb 28, 2015, at 8:04, David van Ooijen  wrote:
> 
>   I cannot help you with what you'te looking for, but intabulaions have
>   my special interest and I wrote a number of articles on them. Find them
>   on my website under Writing':
> 
>   [1]http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
> 
>   David
>   On Saturday, February 28, 2015, stephen arndt
>   <[2]stephenwar...@verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> A  A Dear Lute Friends,
> A  A I recently had occasion to compare several lute intabulations
> with the
> A  A vocal original and became very interested in the process of
> A  A intabulating. While doing a bit of Google searching, I came
> across this
> A  A article: Marie Louise GAP:llner, "On the Process of Lute
> Intabulation
> A  A in the Sixteenth Century," in Ars Iocundissima: Festschrift fA
> 1/4r
> A  A Kurt DorfmA 1/4ller zum 60. Geburtstag, ed. Horst Leuchtmann
> and Robert
> A  A MA 1/4nster (Tutzing, 1984), 83 a 96.
> A  A I have actually found the volume for sale at a not too
> expensive price
> A  A but, since I am interested in just the one article, I was
> wondering
> A  A whether anyone on the list has read it and, if so, could tell
> me what
> A  A it is about. In particular, does it contain any "rules" or
> guidelines
> A  A to help someone learn the art of intabulation? If so, I may
> well
> A  A purchase the volume. (On the other hand, if anyone owns the
> volume, I
> A  A would be happy to compensate him or her for the trouble of
> scanning and
> A  A sending me the relevant pages.)
> A  A More generally, can anyone recommend an article or a book that
> would
> A  A give helpful suggestions for adapting Renaissance vocal works
> for the
> A  A lute. If someone somewhere has summarized whatever is to be
> found in
> A  A historical sources, that would be wonderful.
> A  A Just out of curiosity, I tried intabulating a little two-voiced
> duet by
> A  A Orlando di Lasso, first transcribing it note-for-note and then
> adding
> A  A some runs to lengthen the longer notes that cannot be sustained
> for
> A  A their full value on the lute, and I wasn't too displeased with
> the
> A  A results. I would like to try my hand at some further
> intabulations,
> A  A but, rather than learning through trial and error, it would be
> nice to
> A  A profit from whatever instruction already exists.
> A  A Thank you.
> A  A Best regards,
> A  A Stephen Arndt
> A  A --
> To get on or off this list see list information at
> [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> 
>   --
> 
>   ***
>   David van Ooijen
>   [4]davidvanooi...@gmail.com
>   [5]www.davidvanooijen.nl
>   ***
> 
>   --
> 
> References
> 
>   1. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
>   2. mailto:stephenwar...@verizon.net
>   3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>   4. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com
>   5. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/

[LUTE] Re: Tombeau de Mazarin

[Matthew Daillie]

Thank you Grezgorz for this, a very interesting, little publicised project. I 
have consulted the scans at http://polona.pl/item/30170337/0/. Do you know if 
it is possible to download a full copy of the manuscript, the download button 
brings up a 404 error in my browsers?

Many thanks,

Matthew


On 9 mars 2015, at 00:17, Grzegorz Joachimiak  wrote:

> Dear all,
> 
> did you hear Tombeau de Mazarin performed by Jan Čižmář? You can listen to it 
> together with short prelude placed before Tombeau and also read short text 
> about it: 
> http://blog.polona.pl/2015/03/ksiega-na-lutnie-prelude-tombeau/
> This is the part of The Book for Lute - project connected with PL-Wn Mus. 396 
> Cim. lute manuscript. 
> 
> Grzegorz 
> 
> --
> Lute in Silesia and in Poland
> http://www.lute.pl
> 
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Tombeau de Mazarin

[Matthew Daillie]

OK, I have worked out how to download individual images in JPG format (one has 
to sign-up with a Facebook or Google identity for example). Any way of 
downloading the whole manuscript in one go?

Many thanks

Matthew

On 9 mars 2015, at 00:17, Grzegorz Joachimiak  wrote:

> Dear all,
> 
> did you hear Tombeau de Mazarin performed by Jan Čižmář? You can listen to it 
> together with short prelude placed before Tombeau and also read short text 
> about it: 
> http://blog.polona.pl/2015/03/ksiega-na-lutnie-prelude-tombeau/
> This is the part of The Book for Lute - project connected with PL-Wn Mus. 396 
> Cim. lute manuscript. 
> 
> Grzegorz 
> 
> --
> Lute in Silesia and in Poland
> http://www.lute.pl
> 
> 
> 
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> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Tombeau de Mazarin

[Matthew Daillie]

That's great, thanks David.
Best
Matthew 



> On Mar 10, 2015, at 4:27, David Smith  wrote:
> 
> The file is now available at: http://www.dolcesfogato.com/Music/. Look for 
> Livre du Luth. It is 2.8GB so be prepared for a wait when downloading.
> 
> Regards
> David
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf 
> Of David Smith
> Sent: Monday, March 9, 2015 5:11 PM
> To: 'Matthew Daillie'; 'Grzegorz Joachimiak'
> Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Tombeau de Mazarin
> 
> I have downloaded all the images and will have a PDF of the entire document 
> up this evening. I hope this is not violating any license agreement but I did 
> not see that it did from the website. It will be big.
> 
> Regards
> David
> 
> -Original Message-----
> From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf 
> Of Matthew Daillie
> Sent: Monday, March 9, 2015 1:48 AM
> To: Grzegorz Joachimiak
> Cc: 
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Tombeau de Mazarin
> 
> OK, I have worked out how to download individual images in JPG format (one 
> has to sign-up with a Facebook or Google identity for example). Any way of 
> downloading the whole manuscript in one go?
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> Matthew
> 
>> On 9 mars 2015, at 00:17, Grzegorz Joachimiak  wrote:
>> 
>> Dear all,
>> 
>> did you hear Tombeau de Mazarin performed by Jan Ci m r? You can listen to 
>> it together with short prelude placed before Tombeau and also read short 
>> text about it: 
>> http://blog.polona.pl/2015/03/ksiega-na-lutnie-prelude-tombeau/
>> This is the part of The Book for Lute - project connected with PL-Wn Mus. 
>> 396 Cim. lute manuscript. 
>> 
>> Grzegorz
>> 
>> --
>> Lute in Silesia and in Poland
>> http://www.lute.pl
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> To get on or off this list see list information at 
>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

[LUTE] Re: Cavendish song

[Matthew Daillie]

Dear Helen,
I can send you a scan tomorrow morning (European time).
Best
Matthew


> On Mar 17, 2015, at 22:12, Helen Atkinson  
> wrote:
> 
>   Dear Forumites -
>   I'm looking for the music (voice / tab) for the Cavendish song 'Love,
>   the delight of all well-thinking minds' (1598, no. 7). Can anyone help?
>   Thanks,
>   Helen
> 
>   --
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: BBC and Lute News

[Matthew Daillie]

Dear Nancy,
There are software solutions for listening to the BBC outside the UK (such as 
Hola). These do obviously rise issues with regard to broadcasting rights.
Best
Matthew



> On May 3, 2015, at 20:53, Nancy Carlin  
> wrote:
> 
>   A friend sent me a link to the BBC comedy spoof news panel program
>   "Have I Got News for You"? Each week it includes a game based on
>   some obscure serial publication and this week (Series 49: Episode 4)
>   they chose Lute News. You can watch it on iPlayer.
> 
>   [1]http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b05t66s3/have-i-got-news-for-yo
>   u-series-49-episode-4
>   Since the BBC has their web site fixed so those of us outside the US
>   can't see this, can anyone tell me what they said?
>   Nancy
> 
> --
> Nancy Carlin
> Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA
> [2]http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org
> lute
> PO Box 6499
> Concord, CA 94524
> USA
> 925 / 686-5800
> 
> [3]www.groundsanddivisions.info
> [4]www.nancycarlinassociates.com
> 
>   --
> 
> References
> 
>   1. 
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b05t66s3/have-i-got-news-for-you-series-49-episode-4
>   2. http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org/
>   3. http://www.groundsanddivisions.info/
>   4. http://www.nancycarlinassociates.com/
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Knot in the soundboard.

[Matthew Daillie]

There are lots of knots in the soundboards of harpsichords, both period and 
modern. Purely cosmetic as far as the makers are concerned. I suppose that the 
main worry for lute makers would be the knot becoming detached and leaving a 
hole in the soundboard. It would be a shame to see one's lute be turned into a 
nest box.
Best
Matthew




> On Jun 18, 2015, at 19:30, Herbert Ward  wrote:
> 
> 
> How difficult would it be to make a good lute
> with a knot in the wood of the soundboard?
> 
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Resonance vs power.

[Matthew Daillie]

Hi,
I am neither a lute maker nor a physicist but I would explain power in terms of 
volume, dynamics and projection and resonance in terms of sustain and the 
ability to make the whole instrument vibrate. Obviously the two are closely 
linked.
A resonant and powerful instrument is not necessarily a musical one. The 
quality of resonance (its clarity and ability to carry the sound naturally) and 
power (the capacity to give a wide dynamic range and precise and balanced 
projection) are the determining factors to my mind. Tone colour (yes, I'm 
English, sorry!) and set up are obviously other major elements in making a 
successful instrument.
That's my tuppence anyway (yes, more Limey talk).
Best
Matthew 



> On Jun 23, 2015, at 6:57, Herbert Ward  wrote:
> 
> 
> Here is a web page on the interior bracing of theorbos:
> 
>   
> http://schreinerlutesandguitars.blogspot.com/2011/11/harmonic-barring-for-kaiser-theorbo.html
> 
> Near the end is a paragraph that begins "This photo shows the
> ends of bars ...".  The paragraph describes how to balance resonance 
> and power.  Could someone explain the difference between resonance 
> and power?  I would have thought the two terms more-or-less 
> synonymous.
> 
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: a missing saraband

[Matthew Daillie]

Dear Tom,

The D Major sarabande is in the second, much enlarged edition of the CNRS 
(which a friend has kindly lent me) but not in the first (which the same friend 
kindly gave me!). The numbers used in the CNRS are given for each track on 
Pascal Monteilhet's CD (the D major sarabande is number 146 in the CNRS 2nd 
edition).

I could probably scan it for you (but please contact me off-line).

Best

Matthew


On 29 juin 2015, at 19:38, Thomas Walker  wrote:

>   Appealing to the Collective Wisdom:
>   I've been working on some Dufault, and there's this lovely set of
>   pieces in D Major...there are rather fewer of them in this key than in,
>   say, C or F.  I happened on Pascal Monteilhet's recording and lo and
>   behold, heard a saraband in D major that doesn't turn up in CNRS or
>   Doug Towne's extensive library.  Can anyone point me to the source, or
>   even a pdf of the piece that might be in public domain?
>   Thanks,  all!
>   Tom Walker
> 
>   --
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: a missing saraband

[Matthew Daillie]

The CNRS edition has been out of print for ages and unfortunately they have no 
intention of reprinting it so I certainly don't feel guilty of infringing 
copyright law by offering to scan one page for a fellow lutenist for a music 
project!

Best

Matthew


On 29 juin 2015, at 20:47, Ron Andrico  wrote:

>   Or, rather than violating international copyright law, you could try
>   what musicians have done for centuries.  Transcribe the piece.  This
>   should be easily done and is of great benefit in learning to play the
>   piece musically.
>   RA
>> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 12:38:41 -0500
>> To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
>> From: twlute...@hotmail.com
>> Subject: [LUTE] a missing saraband
>> 
>> Appealing to the Collective Wisdom:
>> I've been working on some Dufault, and there's this lovely set of
>> pieces in D Major...there are rather fewer of them in this key than
>   in,
>> say, C or F. I happened on Pascal Monteilhet's recording and lo and
>> behold, heard a saraband in D major that doesn't turn up in CNRS or
>> Doug Towne's extensive library. Can anyone point me to the source, or
>> even a pdf of the piece that might be in public domain?
>> Thanks, all!
>> Tom Walker
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> 
>> To get on or off this list see list information at
>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> 
>   --

[LUTE] Re: Soap & Talc, quick question

[Matthew Daillie]

I find that good quality peg paste (such as Hills) is far more reliable over 
time. Soap and chalk can become rather an unpleasant grunge after a while 
(often sooner than later).
A sparing amount of peg paste once a year or so is generally enough to keep 
everything turning over smoothly.
Best
Matthew





> On Aug 13, 2015, at 11:11, andy butler  wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm about to change strings on my lute, and I understand that applying
> a soap/talc mix to the pegs will help with tuning.
> 
> So, is that a 50/50 mix?
> 
> Should I add any water?
> 
> any tips gratefully received
> 
> kind regards
> andy
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Soap & Talc, quick question

[Matthew Daillie]

I find that it's quite straightforward to restrict the application of the paste 
to just the part of the peg shaft that is in the hole and so the darkening 
effect is not really noticeable. Admittedly I'm referring to plum pegs which 
are definitely not as light-coloured as the lemonwood ones you use Martin.
Best,
Matthew



> On Aug 13, 2015, at 17:10, Martin Shepherd  wrote:
> 
> Hill's is good, but it's dark brown, so for light-coloured pegs (e.g. 
> lemonwood) I find I want to use something else.  Dry soap and talc seems OK. 
> Chalk can be gritty and may wear out your pegs and/or peg holes.
> 
> I actually put quite a lot of peg paste on my pegs in the process of fitting 
> them - it gets compacted into the pegbox and provides a really good basis for 
> a smooth action.  Wood-against-wood is not good.
> 
> If anyone knows of a good recipe for a pale/transparent version of Hill's, 
> please let us know.
> 
> Martin
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Matthew Daillie" 
> 
> To: "andy butler" 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 4:59 PM
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Soap & Talc, quick question
> 
> 
>> I find that good quality peg paste (such as Hills) is far more reliable over 
>> time. Soap and chalk can become rather an unpleasant grunge after a while 
>> (often sooner than later).
>> A sparing amount of peg paste once a year or so is generally enough to keep 
>> everything turning over smoothly.
>> Best
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 13, 2015, at 11:11, andy butler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I'm about to change strings on my lute, and I understand that applying
>>> a soap/talc mix to the pegs will help with tuning.
>>> 
>>> So, is that a 50/50 mix?
>>> 
>>> Should I add any water?
>>> 
>>> any tips gratefully received
>>> 
>>> kind regards
>>> andy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: une jeune fillette dowland

[Matthew Daillie]

There is an old post you can read on this topic at the following link.
Best
Matthew

https://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg05792.html




> On Aug 30, 2015, at 4:37, John Stickney  wrote:
> 
>   Good day, anyone know how I can get a copy of this beautiful dowland
>   work in lute tab?
> 
>   Thanks
> 
>   John
> 
>   --
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Violin and lute.

[Matthew Daillie]

The French Lute society publishes two collections of music which should be 
perfect for what you're looking for. They are volumes three and eight of Le 
Secret des Muses series:
http://www.sf-luth.org/index.php?Partitions/Le_Secret_des_Muses

The introductory text is in French but that shouldn't matter. The tablature is 
in French too, mind you!
Best
Matthew



> On Oct 13, 2015, at 4:46, Herbert Ward  wrote:
> 
> I have a chance to play music with a modern violinist.
> He's probably quite adept since he played with the
> symphony of a large city.  What music would be appropriate
> for "introducing" him to the Renaissance repertoire?
> I don't remembering seeing any historical duets for lute
> and bowed instrument.
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Violin and lute.

[Matthew Daillie]

Well, there are pieces for beginners (on the lute) but from memory there is a 
fair selection of repertoire and it would enable the violinist to familiarise 
him or her-self with the renaissance style and adapt his playing technique so 
as not to overshadow the lute. A lot of the grounds can be very boring for the 
lute player. Anyway, just a suggestion of material on my part (which was the 
original request).

Best

Matthew

 
On 13 oct. 2015, at 12:30, WALSH STUART  wrote:

> On 13/10/2015 09:57, Matthew Daillie wrote:
>> The French Lute society publishes two collections of music which should be 
>> perfect for what you're looking for. They are volumes three and eight of Le 
>> Secret des Muses series:
>> http://www.sf-luth.org/index.php?Partitions/Le_Secret_des_Muses
> 
> But aren't these arrangements aimed at beginners? If the violinist has played 
> in a a symphony orchestra he will probably play with a volume  not  well 
> suited to a lute and he will be able sight read almost anything. It all 
> depends on Herbert's technique but if it were me I'd go for divisions (on the 
> violin)  on grounds (played on the lute). as well as the suggestions of 
> Arto and  Sean.
> 
> 
> 
> Stuart
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> The introductory text is in French but that shouldn't matter. The tablature 
>> is in French too, mind you!
>> Best
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 13, 2015, at 4:46, Herbert Ward  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have a chance to play music with a modern violinist.
>>> He's probably quite adept since he played with the
>>> symphony of a large city.  What music would be appropriate
>>> for "introducing" him to the Renaissance repertoire?
>>> I don't remembering seeing any historical duets for lute
>>> and bowed instrument.
>>> 
>>> 
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[LUTE] Re: Doulce Memoire - Ortiz Recercada

[Matthew Daillie]

Hi Helen,

I shall send you a scan.

Best

Matthew


On 17 nov. 2015, at 17:42, Helen Atkinson  
wrote:

>   Hello -
> 
>   Can anyone help me find tablature for the following?:
> 
>   Recercada Segunda sobre la cancion 'Doulce Memoire', from Diego Ortiz
>   Trattado de Glosas, 1553.
> 
>   Helen
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Wetting Fingers

[Matthew Daillie]

I know of at least one other professional player who sometimes licks the 
fingertips of his right-hand before playing. I think the idea is to make the 
skin less dry for nicer tone but I suspect that it is counterproductive. One's 
fingers quickly dry and then it is even more likely that the skin becomes rough 
because one is removing the natural oils. Washing the hands with cheap soaps or 
doing the dishes with powerful detergents also causes rough skin, especially in 
the winter months when the air is cold and dry.
Licking one's fingers must also make the strings suffer in the long run. I once 
lent a lute to a player who had very sweaty hands. After only a couple of hours 
all the copper-wound strings were ruined and the frets were looking decidedly 
sorry for themselves.
To soften the skin I use non greasy organic silica based hand-cream (there's 
one made by Aquasilice here in France) and then dip my fingertips in a bit of 
natural talc. If the skin is particularly rough I use some extremely fine emery 
paper (grade 1200).
Hope this is of some help.
Best
Matthew



> On Dec 24, 2015, at 3:47, LSA Lute Rental Program  
> wrote:
> 
>   Every month I try to send all the renters of Lute Society of America
>   lutes a little info on some topic.   The one I am doing a bit of
>   research on now is the practice of wetting right hand thumb, index, and
>   middle fingers before playing the lute.
>   I am sure this has been a past topic and am sure there are lots of
>   opinions out there about this.   That is, actually, why I am asking for
>   your thoughts.   Some lutenists "fog" their fingers, some wet them,
>   some wet them and rub their fingers against their nose to collect oil,
>   some use lotion or mineral oil or Vaseline, some do other things, some
>   do nothing and play with dry fingers.
>   Can you offer me any history about any of these practices, any
>   information, pros/cons, advantages/disadvantages, issues of string type
>   (gut, Nylgut, nylon, etc.)?   I am not taking a position on the
>   issue...I am just gathering information and whatever you can share is
>   appreciated.
>   Thanks,
>   Michael Grant
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[LUTE] Re: Quick and temporary fix

[Matthew Daillie]

   If you're lucky and the broken string is still long enough when it
   stretches to extend between the nut and the bridge, then you could try
   tying another string to it using a fisherman's knot so as to be able to
   wind it around the peg. Be careful to ease the knot over the nut so as
   not to damage the grove.
   Best
   Matthew

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  my G string snapped today, the only string I got left to replace it

  will never reach G4. I have a recital next week and I need a quick
 fix

  until the new strings arrive.

  anyone got any tips?

  it's a 10 course lute, C2, D2, D#/E2, F2, G2, C3, F3, A3, D4, G4

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 my G string snapped today, the only string I got left to replace it
 will never reach G4. I have a recital next week and I need a quick
   fix
 until the new strings arrive.
 anyone got any tips?
 it's a 10 course lute, C2, D2, D#/E2, F2, G2, C3, F3, A3, D4, G4
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[LUTE] Re: Quick and temporary fix

[Matthew Daillie]

I hadn't read this reply properly but the octave on the 7th course is 
going to be far too large a diameter to be used on the top course. If 
you have an octave on the 4th course, that would be OK.


I don't mean to sound patronizing but it really is a good idea to have a 
stock of spare top strings around, especially if you are doing concerts.


Best

Matthew

On 24/12/2015 10:06, David van Ooijen wrote:

Take the octave string from 7, or go to your local fishing gear store
and buy a spool of nylon/carbon/anything with more or les the correct
diameter.

***
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On 24 December 2015 at 09:49, Omer Katzir <[3]kome...@gmail.com> wrote:

 my G string snapped today, the only string I got left to replace
  it
 will never reach G4. I have a recital next week and I need a
  quick fix
 until the new strings arrive.
 anyone got any tips?
 it's a 10 course lute, C2, D2, D#/E2, F2, G2, C3, F3, A3, D4, G4
 --
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[LUTE] Re: Performing lute in ensemble

[Matthew Daillie]

Hi Danny,

I'm not familiar with this particular music but as a general rule I 
suspect that one key to successful performance is using the instruments 
the composer had in mind (rather than modern manifestations) and getting 
the other musicians to listen to the lute and adapt their playing rather 
than trying to make the lute unnaturally louder. I find that attempting 
to play lute songs with a singer who is using modern technique and going 
full pelt is a complete waste of time. Once the singer agrees to sit 
next to the lutenist and actually listen to the lute part then both 
parties can interact convincingly to produce a well-balance performance.


I suspect that very often for music of this period and later there were 
several lutenists playing together (budgetary constraints rarely make 
that possible nowadays). I seem to recall a comment by Samuel Pepys that 
at one particular theatre show it was difficult to see the actors for 
all the theorbo necks!


Best

Matthew

On 27/12/2015 13:43, Daniel Shoskes wrote:

Dear list: I’ve been having fun with the Lauffensteiner g minor “concerto� 
(andante:https://youtu.be/q9dV2QbcBc8 ). In the 
Brussels Ms it has parts for 2 violins and 1 cello (OK, 2 treble clef instruments and 
a bass clef instrument with figures). In performance of pieces like this, how do 
people handle balance of instruments? Clearly having the other instruments in gut 
would help but it’s still a struggle to have the lute loud enough in comparison 
with the strings. Mics? Mutes? Just play as loud as you can all the way through?

Thanks

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[LUTE] Re: Casandra in Raimondo 1601

[Matthew Daillie]

I shall send you a copy off-list.
Best
Matthew


> On Dec 30, 2015, at 22:49, Josef Berger  wrote:
> 
>   Dear collective wisdom,
>   I am looking for a tablature of the piece labeled "Cas[s]andra" in
>   Pietro Paolo Raimondo's Libro de sonate diverse (1601), does somebody
>   have it?
>   It is played here by Massimo Marchese:
>   [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3HorZEAsOc
>   And here by Nicolae Szekely:
>   [2]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA20nI_p1hk
>   This is obviously a concordance of the "Branle couppA(c) nommA(c)
>   Cassandre" as published in the OrchA(c)sographie of Thoinot Arbeau
>   (1589:73v-74) which is also the base of the French song "Vive Henri
>   IV".
>   Yvonne Kendall has missed Raimondo's Casandra in her 2013 detailed
>   edition of Arbeau concordances, where she included only Cassandre from
>   Le TrA(c)sor d'OrphA(c)e of Antoine Francisque (1600). While
>   Francisque's version is extremely elaborate, Raimondo's version in the
>   youtube recordings is much closer to Arbeau's basic melody.
>   If somebody is interested, I can provide some non-lute concordances
>   too:
>   "La Cassandra" in SE-VACURxjAP:SB, fol.147v (violin manuscript), early
>   18th century
>   "Mon ptit coeur gauche", drinking song with staff notation in
>   Christophe Ballard (1717): La ClA(c) des chansonniers, ou recueil des
>   vaudevilles depuis cent ans & plus..., Paris, p.236-237.
>   "Cedons aux coups de l'Amour le plus doux", dance song with staff
>   notation in Christophe Ballard (1724): Les Rondes, Chansons A  Danser,
>   tome II, p.192.
>   In case of interest I have also collected numerous lyrics to this
>   melody. The earliest are in French, and attributed to Pierre de
>   Ronsard. Some later songs to this timbre are in Dutch (Vinkkel 1655)
>   and three in Swedish (Carl Michael Bellman 1788, 1789 and 1790).
>   ... Oh, and this will probably be the most modern lyrics - composed by
>   GaA<   [3]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB2fLkLkh2o
>   Best wishes from Sweden
>   Josef Berger
> 
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> 
>   1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3HorZEAsOc
>   2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA20nI_p1hk
>   3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB2fLkLkh2o
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[LUTE] Re: Andreas Martin

[Matthew Daillie]

He has a website (http://andreasmartinlaute.com) and can be contacted there:

andreasmar...@me.com

best

Matthew



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details
Many thanks
Anthony
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[LUTE] Re: new 6c design

[Matthew Daillie]

Hi Martin,

That's a very interesting project. I've often wondered how the rounder 
bodied 6-course lutes might sound compared to the more pear shaped 
copies most of us know. Having said that, in the photos your model looks 
quite similar to a Gerle. Could you give us some comparative dimensions? 
I was also surprised by the number of bars, I thought there would only 
be two with a thicker top, somewhat like the common practice for making 
vihuelas.


All the best,

Matthew

  On 19/01/2016 11:10, Martin Shepherd wrote:

Hi All,



You can see my latest effort, with some explanation of where it came
from, at:



[1]http://www.luteshop.co.uk/Latest_work.html



There is also a soundfile at the bottom of the page.  My webmaster
still hasn't put up the relevant (very pretty) page from the Capirola
MS, but I guess you all know it anyway.



Best wishes,



Martin



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[LUTE] Re: removing the body frets from a lute

[Matthew Daillie]

Definitely not something I would try. Martin's suggestions sound far 
less adventurous (hardly surprising as he is a professional maker). I 
have never encountered problems with body frets on my lutes.


Best

Matthew

On 21/01/2016 22:31, Sterling Price wrote:

Just pry them off with a razor blade. I've done it many times. Seems like a lot 
of builders have trouble getting body frets right. Almost always way too small 
and in the wrong place.
SP

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   Hello Lutenet,
   Does anyone have any advice for removing the body frets on a lute? (The
   10th-12th frets on my lute are horrendously out of tune and the builder
   seems to have changed his email address.)
   Should I just try a small knife underneath the fret? I worry about
   accidentally scraping wood off of the soundboard.
   I'd appreciate any help you could give me.
   Thanks,
   Kyle

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[LUTE] Analysis of Dowland's lyrics

[Matthew Daillie]

A few years ago there was a website which featured a number of the texts 
of Dowland's lute songs along with analysis of the possible meaning of 
problematic passages and suggested modern translations. I can no longer 
find any trace of it (even using a query with quotes of text from some 
of the print-outs I made). Does anyone know what has become of this 
website and its contents (I cannot recall the name of the author)?


Suggestions for other sources of analysis of the texts of Elizabethan 
lute songs would be much appreciated (I already have Poulton's book on 
Dowland, 'Elizabethan Lyric Poetry and its Music' by Maynard and 
'English Madrigal Verse' by Fellowes.


Best

Matthew



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[LUTE] Re: Analysis of Dowland's lyrics

[Matthew Daillie]

   Thank you Ron and Matteo for your help. David Hill has already been
   kind enough to reply to my email.
   Any suggestions of further reading would still be much appreciated.
   Best
   Matthew
   On 22/01/2016 13:54, Ron Andrico wrote:

   While the late Ed Doughtie wrote the book on texts of English lute
   songs, (Lyrics from English Airs, Harvard University Press, Cambridge,
   MA, 1970), I think you are referring to the work of the estimable David
   Hill.  I'm not sure where to find David's very thorough essay but he
   could be contacted.  [1]da...@romanglassmakers.co.uk

   RA
   
   From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [3] on
   behalf of Matthew Daillie [4]
   Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 11:04 AM
   To: [5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Subject: [LUTE] Analysis of Dowland's lyrics
   A few years ago there was a website which featured a number of the
   texts
   of Dowland's lute songs along with analysis of the possible meaning of
   problematic passages and suggested modern translations. I can no longer
   find any trace of it (even using a query with quotes of text from some
   of the print-outs I made). Does anyone know what has become of this
   website and its contents (I cannot recall the name of the author)?
   Suggestions for other sources of analysis of the texts of Elizabethan
   lute songs would be much appreciated (I already have Poulton's book on
   Dowland, 'Elizabethan Lyric Poetry and its Music' by Maynard and
   'English Madrigal Verse' by Fellowes.
   Best
   Matthew
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[LUTE] Jacques Gallot, Chaconne La Comète

[Matthew Daillie]

On 06/02/2016 09:17, dc wrote:
Would anyone have a source (or a PDF) for this piece in score format? 
It must be in the CNRS volume (Corpus des luthistes français), out of 
print.


Speaking of which, do we know if all these out-of-print volumes will 
be reprinted some day? Or issued in digital format? Are there other 
sources for French lute music in score format?


Many thanks.

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Dear Dennis,

I can scan you a copy of this piece from the CNRS edition. I phoned them 
a couple of years ago to find out whether there was any chance of a 
reprint of the Corpus des luthistes series but they are not interested. 
Some remaining volumes are presently on sale at a shop in Paris called 
Arioso: http://www.arioso.fr


Best

Matthew

[LUTE] Re: Stringing for baroque lute.

[Matthew Daillie]

Dear Hubert,

I think there is some confusion here. The PUL number (poids par unité de 
longueur) is given by Savarez for its overwound strings so as to be able to 
calculate tensions and varies from one type of overwound string to another. It 
is not an indication per se of light or heavy tensions but enables you to 
determine a particular tension for a specific course.
Savarez used to supply a string calculator in the form of an Excel spreadsheet 
but this is completely out of date and full of bugs. I tried phoning them this 
morning but the technician won't be in until this afternoon. I shall ring back 
then and keep you posted.
In the meantime why don't you use Paul Beier's calculator, that has densities 
for Savarez strings?
What type of string do you wish to use for the 9th fundamental?
Best
Matthew


> On Apr 25, 2016, at 5:00, Herbert Ward  wrote:
> 
> 
> As an experiment, I put extremely light strings on my baroque lute.
> This made the tone very difficult to control.   This is pretty good 
> practice, but in a month or two I need to venture out of the house 
> with the lute.
> 
> So it's string buying time.
> 
> Can someone give me a Savarez PUL number for the fundamental of the 
> 9th course (E) at A=415 with a 68.5 cm string length?  Also helpful 
> would be an indication of whether the PUL corresponds to heavy, medium,
> or light stringing.
> 
> Google searches gave nothing useful.
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Stringing for baroque lute.

[Matthew Daillie]

   Hi again Herbert, Martin, Arto et al.,
   I have just spoken with the technician at Savarez. They are redoing
   their website and hope to update their string calculator at some time
   in the future.
   In the meanwhile I managed to get some explanations regarding their
   reference numbers for over-wound strings. They offer silver wound
   strings (NFA), copper wound strings (NFC) and plastic wound strings
   (NFP). I have never tried the latter but Savarez recommend them for
   transitional strings on theorbo-necked instruments. I would be
   interested if anybody has any feedback on them.
   The numbers correspond to the PUL (linear density). For example, NFA
   230 is a silver wound string with a PUL of 2.3 g/metre. The silver and
   copper strings have different reference numbers because copper is
   slightly less dense than silver and to compensate the inner core is
   thicker so as to give the same tension.
   One can calculate the tension with the following formula, making sure
   to use the same units for SL and PUL (I hope I've got it right, I'm not
   a mathematician by any stretch of the imagination!):
   4 x the frequency^2 x string length^2 x PUL
   This gives tension in kilos, for Newtons divide by 9.8
   The technician gave me specific tensions for your baroque lute 9th
   course fundamental (E at a'415):
   NFA 230 gives 2.7 kgs
   NFA 250 gives 3 kgs
   NFA 275 gives 3.1 kgs
   Strangely, when I do the calculations with his formula I don't get
   quite the same results so maybe he was using a more complex formula (or
   winding down for his afternoon nap).
   I think Paul Beier's calculator is definitely the way to go for
   simplicity's sake. Otherwise, why not use Kuerschner or Aquila, their
   references use gut equivalent diameters and so are very straight
   forward for tension calculations?
   Anyway, one string down, 23 to go!
   Best,
   Matthew
 On 25/04/2016 05:00, Herbert Ward wrote:

As an experiment, I put extremely light strings on my baroque lute.
This made the tone very difficult to control.   This is pretty good
practice, but in a month or two I need to venture out of the house
with the lute.

So it's string buying time.

Can someone give me a Savarez PUL number for the fundamental of the
9th course (E) at AA5 with a 68.5 cm string length?  Also helpful
would be an indication of whether the PUL corresponds to heavy, medium,
or light stringing.

Google searches gave nothing useful.



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[LUTE] unexpected phenomenon with Aquila 'shiny' nylgut

[Matthew Daillie]

Dear All,

I have just changed some strings on my 6-course in a'. For the top two 
courses I used some nylgut strings from July 2014. These are the shiny, 
smooth nylgut strings Aquila produced for a year or so before they went 
back to the previous formula, apparently after complaints from 
lute-players that the new strings didn't have enough surface texture! I 
have tried an awful lot of nylgut strings over the years (there have 
been umpteen formulas, although Aquila didn't always publicize the fact) 
and to my mind these were by far the best for top strings: they were 
clear, true (except for the first batches), spoke freely all the way up 
the fingerboard, were very close to gut tensions for a given diameter, 
were extremely durable and could be put up to pitch and be stable almost 
immediately. A great pity they stopped producing them.


Anyway, because I don't have many left, I decided to use one 0.44 
diameter string cut in two for the second course of my lute (which has a 
53 cm string length). To my surprise, one of the strings was incredibly 
sharp going up the fingerboard. This morning I put it on the other way 
round and it was fine! I have had similar experiences with some wound 
and gut strings but I am very surprised that this should happen with a 
small diameter nylgut string (maybe this was an unmentioned issue which 
led to ceased production).


Any thoughts, comments?

Thanks,

Matthew



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[LUTE] Re: unexpected phenomenon with Aquila 'shiny' nylgut

[Matthew Daillie]

Dear Mimmo,

Thanks for responding to my email.

Would it be feasible for you to offer two types of nylgut, the present 
formula which many players seem happy with, and the shiny variety which 
I know I am not alone in thinking was your best production yet?


As for synthetic loaded gut, I have had countless conversations with 
luthiers and lutenists hoping that you would soon get round to producing 
it, thus offering a new solution to the problem of finding  satisfactory 
bass strings. I did not get to see any samples but those players and 
makers I have spoken to who did, were all very enthusiastic.


Best,

Matthew

On 01/05/2016 15:21, Mimmo Peruffo wrote:

Hello guys
Mimmo here.
a few answers to the question:

1) the shiny smooth nylgut was  done to have stronger  nylgut strings 
for the guges thinner of  .46 mm.
Unfortunately, 90% almost of players were not happy due to the 
slippering surfce. It was a pity because  making them in this way 
produce very strong strings. They go up in tune very fast also
The problem is that sometime they are not even and this is why they 
are sharp on the upper frets. They are made directly from the extruder.


2) we stopped to produce the tradictional rectified ones because the 
thinner gauges were too fragile.  Right now I have not understand why. 
Actually they are very robust when they are polisshed and smooth but  
after the rectification process they change and became less strong.
I tried a lot of solutions but  with no good results. I agree that the 
texture is not the best however i can do a better work when I will 
have time for them. Rigfht now I am going to  finish my job with the 
harp strings because there is a very urgent  problem to solve in this 
field.
In short:  the gut avalaible for these instruments -since a few years- 
is very fragile- So many asked me to 'invent' a way to have a syntetic 
that work similar to this very stiff and oververnished gut ( nylgut is 
not o: too bright). The only alternative is the standard nylon that it 
si not  good at all.


3) loaded gut basses
it is not possible to make the ol loaded gut because the raw gut is 
still not like in the past. This problem afect many stringmakers but 
they do not admit this for obvious things.
HOWEVER, things are going to change: here in Italy we are going to 
produce very good quality of gut ribbons, same of the quality of the 
past. This job is not fst because there are  people and money involved.


4) what about the sintetic loaded strings?
I have all the know- how  to produce the sintetic loded bass strings. 
My problem is that  I am very busy with the harps strings, as mentione 
before.
Fluocabon strings are ok of course however i wonder what will happen 
when you will hear the sound of these sintetic loded strings.
I am very excited to start to make these ones because I heard some 
prototypes on lutes & theorboes and they are excellent, ( to my feel 
almost)
timing? well, to be honest i think that  the harp strings will take to 
me 3 months almost. yes yes, I told this thing  againg in the past but 
in those times I hd no idea how desperate the harp string situation was.
In November I will attend the EM festival in Greenwich: my dream is to 
came with all these news on the table

Mimmo

-Messaggio originale- From: Matthew Daillie
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2016 12:25 PM
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] unexpected phenomenon with Aquila 'shiny' nylgut

Dear All,

I have just changed some strings on my 6-course in a'. For the top two
courses I used some nylgut strings from July 2014. These are the shiny,
smooth nylgut strings Aquila produced for a year or so before they went
back to the previous formula, apparently after complaints from
lute-players that the new strings didn't have enough surface texture! I
have tried an awful lot of nylgut strings over the years (there have
been umpteen formulas, although Aquila didn't always publicize the fact)
and to my mind these were by far the best for top strings: they were
clear, true (except for the first batches), spoke freely all the way up
the fingerboard, were very close to gut tensions for a given diameter,
were extremely durable and could be put up to pitch and be stable almost
immediately. A great pity they stopped producing them.

Anyway, because I don't have many left, I decided to use one 0.44
diameter string cut in two for the second course of my lute (which has a
53 cm string length). To my surprise, one of the strings was incredibly
sharp going up the fingerboard. This morning I put it on the other way
round and it was fine! I have had similar experiences with some wound
and gut strings but I am very surprised that this should happen with a
small diameter nylgut string (maybe this was an unmentioned issue which
led to ceased production).

Any thoughts, comments?

Thanks,

Matthew



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[LUTE] Re: Not really a lute question but...

[Matthew Daillie]

The navigation of the CD only worked on PC. One could view the images directly 
in their folders on a Mac but it was very inconvenient not to have the indexing 
capabilities.
Best
Matthew 



> On May 10, 2016, at 11:49, Martyn Hodgson  wrote:
> 
>   Interesting David. I bought the CD when it first appeared (I think via
>   the internet) and it loaded onto my PC fine (windows XP then). I
>   printed off all the books with no trouble. Perhaps the problem may be a
>   subsequent faulty copying of the original discs?
>   regards,
>   Martyn
> __
> 
>   From: David Van Edwards 
>   To: Jean-Marie Poirier 
>   Cc: Dmitry Medvedev ; 'Lute List'
>   
>   Sent: Tuesday, 10 May 2016, 10:30
>   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Not really a lute question but...
>   Indeed what a resource, thank you!
>   I originally bought the CD from the Lute Society but had to send it
>   back because it didn't work on a Mac, so it had more problems than
>   were quite justifiable right from the start.
>   BTW have you noticed the heretical drawing of a *lute* player on the
>   titlepage of the Mudarra book?! Could it be by Dominguos Romano? He
>   was one of the previous owners and signed a later page in ink.
>   Best wishes,
>   David
>   At 10:49 +0200 10/5/16, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote:
>> Wonderful job Dimitry ! Thank you for sharing this link !
>> 
>> All the best,
>> 
>> Jean-Marie
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> 
>>> OK, I know this is not strictly in accordance with copyright and all
>>> that, but I did try to contact the original publishers about it with
>   no
>>> result...
>>> I have recently created a web-based "remake" of the old vihuela books
>>> CD, which has all the original catalog information plus the updated
>>> images. I would be happy to make it "official" somehow, and I even
>   Interesting David. I bought the CD when it first appeared (I think via
>   the internet) and it loaded onto my PC fine (windows XP then). I
>   printed off all the books with no trouble. Perhaps the problem may be a
>   subsequent faulty copying of the original discs?
>   regards,
>   Martyn
> __
> 
>   From: David Van Edwards 
>   To: Jean-Marie Poirier 
>   Cc: Dmitry Medvedev ; 'Lute List'
>   
>   Sent: Tuesday, 10 May 2016, 10:30
>   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Not really a lute question but...
>   Indeed what a resource, thank you!
>   I originally bought the CD from the Lute Society but had to send it
>   back because it didn't work on a Mac, so it had more problems than
>   were quite justifiable right from the start.
>   BTW have you noticed the heretical drawing of a *lute* player on the
>   titlepage of the Mudarra book?! Could it be by Dominguos Romano? He
>   was one of the previous owners and signed a later page in ink.
>   Best wishes,
>   David
>   At 10:49 +0200 10/5/16, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote:
>> Wonderful job Dimitry ! Thank you for sharing this link !
>> 
>> All the best,
>> 
>> Jean-Marie
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> 
>>> OK, I know this is not strictly in accordance with copyright and all
>>> that, but I did try to contact the original publishers about it with
>   no
>>> result...
>>> I have recently created a web-based "remake" of the old vihuela books
>>> CD, which has all the original catalog information plus the updated
>>> images. I would be happy to make it "official" somehow, and I even
>>> offered the publisher my help with updating their software,
>   completely
>>> free of charge, but like I said, they were not interested...
>>> Here is the website itself, feel free to test, and let me know if you
>>> want any extra features etc.
>>> [1]http://www.musicaparavihuela.com/
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Dmitry
>>> 
 On 5/9/2016 5:34 PM, Sean Smith wrote:
 Hi Monica,
 
 I have this CD of vihuela books and also found the interface less
 than ideal. I opened it as its own folder (Finder in my case
 although I imagine Explore would do it, too) and found the group
 of images for each book. I named a new folder on my desktop for
 each book/composer and dragged the images en masse to the
 respective folder. At the end of the day (ok, it didn't take that
 long) I had a folder for each book. To further help keep it
 straight, I duplicated the images of the tables of content and
 labeled them "TOC, chapter 'X"' as needed so I could find the
 pieces as I need them. Then I never used the CD again.
 
 I took the liberty of responding to the group as well because
 I've seen this come up before concerning this CD. I hope this
 helps.
 
 Sean
 
 
> On May 9, 2016, at 11:48 AM, [2]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
> 
> Many thanks for this.  It will take some time to digest and check
> everything you suggest.
> it was upgraded from Windows 7.
> Inadvertently - it just happened.  The CDROM is of the vihuela
>   books

[LUTE] Re: Case maker Pierre Rousseau

[Matthew Daillie]

On 10/05/2016 13:15, Christian Aretz wrote:

Dear Luteninst friends,

at first: Thanks for all your replies to my last question regarding lute
case makers!

I tried to reach case maker Pierre Rousseau
(http://pierre.fab.free.fr/contactme.html) through his mail address
several times but didn't get any response.

Is anyone aware of him still being active as lute case maker?

Thanks and all the best,
Christian



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Yes, I spoke to him over the phone a couple of months ago. Perhaps his 
email address has changed. Try sending a text message to his mobile.


Best

Matthew

[LUTE] Re: gluing body fret

[Matthew Daillie]

You can buy ready to use hide glue which requires no expertise to use. Titebond 
make a liquid hide wood glue. It is quite suitable for small jobs such as 
gluing body frets (obviously professional lute makers prefer to use there own 
concoctions for jobs such as barring and assembling tops). Hide glue is very 
strong (particularly fish glue) but makes disassembling much easier and less 
destructive than modern glues.
Best
Matthew



> On Jun 8, 2016, at 10:30, Ed Durbrow  wrote:
> 
> Thank you Everett, Sterling, Dan and Martin for the guidance. I don’t have 
> any hide glue. That is kind of a speciality item for luthiers, isn’t it? I 
> read here that there is a learning curve: 
> http://www.frets.com/FretsPages/Luthier/Data/Materials/hideglue.html. I have 
> some no-brand white glue, but is Titebond not considered a white glue? I know 
> it is more yellow, but what do you think? I can try the no-brand white glue 
> and see if it is successful. What is the downside of Titebond?
> Thank you.
> 
> 
> Ed Durbrow
> Check out my music video “Trumped” at: 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrLe6TWO16A&ab_channel=EdDurbrow
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Io non compro la speranza

[Matthew Daillie]

It's in the Libro Primo of Bossinensis (xxx). You can find the facsimile 
online here:

http://www.gerbode.net/facsimiles/bossinensis/tenori_e_contrabassi_v1_1509/

Best
Matthew

> On Jul 17, 2016, at 16:37, LSA Lute Rental Program  
> wrote:
> 
>   Does anyone have tab for Marchetto Cara's Io non compro la speranza?
>   Thanks,
>   Michael
> 
>   --
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Lord Oxenford's March

[Matthew Daillie]

Hi Ed,
For the Earl of Oxford's march, Julia Craig-McFeely gives several sources, (but 
nothing for The Lord of Oxenford):

http://www.ramesescats.co.uk/thesis/appendix4.pdf

Best wishes,
Matthew


> On Jul 17, 2016, at 21:31, Edward Martin  wrote:
> 
>   Dear collective wisdom,
>   Does anyone have an intabulated lute part for this piece, I believe
>   from the Morley Consort lessons?
>   Thanks in advance!
>   ed
> 
>   --
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Danzig 4022

[Matthew Daillie]

On 15/08/2016 13:08, Daniel Shoskes wrote:

Dear Collective Wisdom: I have grown so accustomed to easy access to catalogues 
and concordances in the baroque lute world thanks to Peter Steur’s excellent 
website that when I have a Ren Ms to query I feel lost. Specifically, is there 
a catalogue of the contents of the Danzig 4022 which I have been reading 
through as I enjoy my new 10 course? Lovely music, a couple of recent fine 
recordings and many tunes that sound familiar though marked anon. Was even 
surprised to find a version of the Piccinini Sarabande I just recently made a 
video of.

So generally, is there a Ren lute manuscript resource similar to the Baroque 
site and specifically, does such a listing exist for the Danzig 4022

Thanks in advance

Danny



Hi Danny,

I doubt whether I will be telling you anything new here but here are a 
few places to start:


Howard Mayer Brown 'Instrumental Music Printed Before 1600'

The Lute Online resources portal:
http://lutesoc.co.uk/lute-portal/annotated-catalogue-of-historical-printed-sources
http://lutesoc.co.uk/lute-portal/annotated-catalogue-of-historical-lute-manuscripts

Julia Craig-McFeely's English Lute Manuscripts and Scribes 1530-1630 
online here:


http://www.ramesescats.co.uk/thesis/

Best,
Matthew



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[LUTE] Re: Danzig 4022

[Matthew Daillie]

On 15/08/2016 13:08, Daniel Shoskes wrote:

Dear Collective Wisdom: I have grown so accustomed to easy access to catalogues 
and concordances in the baroque lute world thanks to Peter Steur’s excellent 
website that when I have a Ren Ms to query I feel lost. Specifically, is there 
a catalogue of the contents of the Danzig 4022 which I have been reading 
through as I enjoy my new 10 course? Lovely music, a couple of recent fine 
recordings and many tunes that sound familiar though marked anon. Was even 
surprised to find a version of the Piccinini Sarabande I just recently made a 
video of.

So generally, is there a Ren lute manuscript resource similar to the Baroque 
site and specifically, does such a listing exist for the Danzig 4022

Thanks in advance

Danny



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Oh, and this link to sources of lute music by Arthur Ness typset by 
Wayne Cripps:


http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/Sources.html

[LUTE] Re: Danzig 4022

[Matthew Daillie]

On 17/08/2016 22:41, adS wrote:

Dear Matthew,

I am sorry to tell you:



Howard Mayer Brown 'Instrumental Music Printed Before 1600'


4022 is a manuscript.



The Lute Online resources portal:
http://lutesoc.co.uk/lute-portal/annotated-catalogue-of-historical-printed-sources 



There is, of course,  no list of concordances for 4022 - 4022 is a 
manuscript.


http://lutesoc.co.uk/lute-portal/annotated-catalogue-of-historical-lute-manuscripts 



There is no list of concordances for 4022.



Julia Craig-McFeely's English Lute Manuscripts and Scribes 1530-1630 
online here:


http://www.ramesescats.co.uk/thesis/


Doesn't contain a list of concordances for 4022, either - and is 
notoriously unreliable, anyway.


Rainer


Dear Rainer,

I am sorry to tell you that I was answering the first part of Daniel's 
enquiry regarding resources for renaissance lute in general and not 
Danzig 4022


('So generally, is there a Ren lute manuscript resource similar to the Baroque 
site and specifically, does such a listing exist for the Danzig 4022?')

but thank you for trying to make me look like a fool anyway!

Matthew




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[LUTE] Re: Giles Lodges lute book

[Matthew Daillie]

You can find digital images on the Folger Shakespeare Library site:

http://luna.folger.edu/luna/servlet/view/search/who/Lodge%252C+Giles%252C+fl.+1591.?q=Giles+lodge&os=50

Only a few pages contain lute tablature.

This is what Chris Goodwin of the Lute Society had to say:

'Giles Lodge’s lute book is a mess, notationally, but has been transcribed as a 
Lute Society (free) tablature sheet B3'.

I have this somewhere so can make you a scan (it is a free publication) if I 
manage to find it.

Dolmetsch published it in 1907 in staff notation.

Best

Matthew

> On Aug 24, 2016, at 4:05, theoj89...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu wrote:
> 
>   All:
> 
>   Has the Giles Lodges Lute Book (Folger Shakespeare Library, Wash DC)
>   been reprinted or otherwise available? Thanks trj
> 
>   --
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Charles Mouton / CNRS

[Matthew Daillie]

If you give me all the details I shall try to ring them (although many 
companies close during August in France).
Best
Matthew



> On Aug 24, 2016, at 12:11, Mathias Rösel  wrote:
> 
> Dear everybody,
> 
> In the beginning of June I ordered Les Oeuvres de Charles Mouton from CNRS
> Editions. They confirmed my payment automatically and at once. On the next
> day, Mrs Lavaud of CNRS Editions confirmed my order and promised to deal
> with it asap.
> Two months later, in the beginning of August, I wrote them a note, saying
> that I was waiting still. I have got no reply so far.
> 
> Would the French members of this list please advise me how to proceed?
> 
> Mathias
> 
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Charles Mouton / CNRS

[Matthew Daillie]

After Brexit I no longer know whether I'm an Englishman or a mad dog. Probably 
a bit of both (with a hint of garlic thrown in for good measure).
Best
Matthew



> On Aug 26, 2016, at 2:12, Dan Winheld  wrote:
> 
> "Mad dogs and Englishman do business in August..." (Pendent le mois d'aout, 
> tous le monde est en vacances...:-D)
> 
> 
>> On 8/24/2016 3:25 AM, Matthew Daillie wrote:
>> If you give me all the details I shall try to ring them (although many 
>> companies close during August in France).
>> Best
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 24, 2016, at 12:11, Mathias Rösel  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear everybody,
>>> 
>>> In the beginning of June I ordered Les Oeuvres de Charles Mouton from CNRS
>>> Editions. They confirmed my payment automatically and at once. On the next
>>> day, Mrs Lavaud of CNRS Editions confirmed my order and promised to deal
>>> with it asap.
>>> Two months later, in the beginning of August, I wrote them a note, saying
>>> that I was waiting still. I have got no reply so far.
>>> 
>>> Would the French members of this list please advise me how to proceed?
>>> 
>>> Mathias
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>> 
>> 

[LUTE] Re: Attaingnant's Preludes, Chansons, and Dances

[Matthew Daillie]

Hopkinson Smith did a recording of 22 pieces taken from Très brève et familière 
introduction (1529) and Dix-huit basses dances (1530).
You might also like to check out a very convincing keyboard CD of 28 pieces by 
Attaingnant (including Secourez-moi) by Pierre Gallon on the Encelade label.
Best,
Matthew



> On Sep 4, 2016, at 17:09, LSA Lute Rental Program  
> wrote:
> 
>   Does anyone know if there exists a recording of all the preludes,
>   chansons, and dances contained in Attaignant's Preludes, Chansons, and
>   Dances for Lute (1529-1530)?
>   I know individual pieces from this have been recorded, some innumerable
>   times, but I am wondering if there exists a recording of all the
>   pieces.   For example, I am trying to find a lute only recording of one
>   of the chansons, Secourez moy (No. 22). But I am also interested in
>   recordings of the other pieces, esp. if they exist in one recorded
>   source.
>   Thanks,
>   Michael
> 
>   --
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: composed for the lute?

[Matthew Daillie]

On 16/09/2016 17:01, Martin Shepherd wrote:

Hi all,

You might find my latest blog interesting:

http://luteshop.co.uk/was-dowland-a-composer-of-lute-music/

Best wishes,

Martin 


Hi Martin,

Stimulating and informative as usual.

Best,

Matthew



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[LUTE] Re: Kapsberger Toccata arpeggiata

[Matthew Daillie]

Unfortunately SPES has ceased activity.
Best
Matthew



> On Sep 19, 2016, at 14:44, David van Ooijen  wrote:
> 
>   Dear  Katalin
> 
>   Libro Primo D'Intavolatura di Chitarone (Venzia,1604) has the famous
>   Toccata Arpeggiata by Kapsberger. Get the box from SPES  and you can
>   play the whole book, as well as the libro primo for lute and the libro
>quarto for Chitarone. Should keep you busy for a while.
> 
>   David
>   On Monday, 19 September 2016, Katalin Koltai
>   <[1]katalinkol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>Dear All
>I would like to learn Kapsberger Toccata arpeggiata.
>What is the original source?
>Can some of you give me the music score/tabulature?
>Also, I am interested to learn more solo music for theorbo and
>archlute, so if any of you have suggestions for me, I would be
> very
>grateful.
>Thank you on advance.
>Best regards,
>Katalin
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>   --
> 
>   ***
>   David van Ooijen
>   [3]davidvanooi...@gmail.com
>   [4]www.davidvanooijen.nl
>   ***
> 
>   --
> 
> References
> 
>   1. mailto:katalinkol...@gmail.com
>   2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>   3. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com
>   4. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/

[LUTE] Re: Facsimile of the Add MS 31992

[Matthew Daillie]

Thanks David. That represents an awful lot of work. I know because I started 
but only had time to download the first 30 folios or so.
Keep up the good work!
Best,
Matthew




> On Oct 2, 2016, at 5:13, David Smith  wrote:
> 
> I have downloaded images and put a PDF of the files on 
> http://www.dolcesfogato.com/Music/ as British Library MS 31992.
> Please take a look. It was a bit of work to get the images in high enough 
> resolution to be clean.
> 
> Regards
> David
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf 
> Of Matteo Turri
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 11:05 AM
> To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Subject: [LUTE] Facsimile of the Add MS 31992
> 
>   aa
>   Facsimile of the Add MS 31992 at the BL:
>   [1]http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/FullDisplay.aspx?index=2&ref=
>   Add_MS_31992
>   "SACRED and other music, in lute notation, chiefly by William Byrd.
>   Other composers are Thomas Tallis, Nicholas Strogers, William Damon,
>   Filippo de Monte, Ludovico Vittoria, Thomas Crequillon, Giacches de
>   Wert, George Formellis, and Francesco de Rivolo. Paper; ff. 99. End of
>   XVIth or begiining of XVIIth cent. In the original binding on which is
>   stamped the name of Edwardus Paston. See another MS. in the same hand,
>   Add. 29,246. Oblate Quarto. "
> 
>   --
> 
> References
> 
>   1. http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/FullDisplay.aspx?index=2&ref=Add_MS_31992
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

[Matthew Daillie]

On 10/10/2016 15:29, fournierbru wrote:

Hello all

I would like your opinions on this interpretation of the Vivaldu lute
concerto I found on YouTube.

https://youtu.be/u9m3ghjN0RE

BRUNO


Not my cup of tea. He's using what looks like a single strung 13-course 
liuto forte, very guitar like and not particularly enticing.


Paul O'Dette and Ronn McFarlane have both recorded this work. I suspect 
their interpretations are rather more subtle and historically informed.


Best

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[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

[Matthew Daillie]

I'm not in the least bit surprised that our opinions and tastes differ Ron.
Matthew



> On Oct 10, 2016, at 16:51, Ron Andrico  wrote:
> 
>   Hmm...Historically-informed must have taken on a different meaning
>   while I wasn't paying attention.  I should think Luca Pianca and his
>   Italian compatriots might have a bit more of a secure connection with
>   Vivaldi's music than the American's you name.  O'Dette recorded this
>   music with a silly little chirpy mandolino playing with a rather stiff
>   sounding band.  McFarlane's interpretation is vibrant and lovely but
>   what we hear in this video with Luca Pianca has everything to do with a
>   microphone placement that allows the lute to be heard above the rest of
>   the band, as is certainly the case in the other recordings mentioned.
>   As far as I can tell, single stringing was sometimes used by the old
>   ones but Luca Pianca's hand position is definitely
>   historically-accurate for Vivaldi's era.  The under thumb approach
>   ceased to exist with the advent of many additional basses, circa 1600,
>   and those who use that hand position in baroque music today are
>   not using an historically-informed approach.  So unless
>   historically-informed now has something to do with microphone
>   placement, I think the video example is compelling and musical.
> 
>   RA
> __________
> 
>   From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu  on behalf
>   of Matthew Daillie 
>   Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 1:54 PM
>   To: fournierbru; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
>   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto
> 
>>   On 10/10/2016 15:29, fournierbru wrote:
>> Hello all
>> 
>>I would like your opinions on this interpretation of the Vivaldu
>   lute
>>concerto I found on YouTube.
>> 
>>[1]https://youtu.be/u9m3ghjN0RE
>   [2][maxresdefault.jpg]
>   [3]Vivaldi - Lute Concerto in D major, RV 93 - Il Giardino Armonico
>   youtu.be
>   Antonio Vivaldi Lute Concerto in D major, RV 93 1 Allegro 2 Largo 3
>   Allegro Luca Pianca, lute Il Giardino Armonico
>> 
>>BRUNO
>   Not my cup of tea. He's using what looks like a single strung 13-course
>   liuto forte, very guitar like and not particularly enticing.
>   Paul O'Dette and Ronn McFarlane have both recorded this work. I suspect
>   their interpretations are rather more subtle and historically informed.
>   Best
>   Matthew
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>   2. https://youtu.be/u9m3ghjN0RE
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[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

[Matthew Daillie]

On 10/10/2016 17:14, Ron Andrico wrote:
The only bit of opinion in my previous message was that I thought Luca 
Pianca's performance was musical.  The rest is supported by factual 
information.


I'll let you have the last word



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[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

[Matthew Daillie]

On 10/10/2016 22:28, Roman Turovsky wrote:

on a good authority of RT.
Luca has at least 2 of these, one with a much longer extension.
RT


On 10/10/2016 4:16 PM, Jarosław Lipski wrote:

Really? Is there any evidence to support this theory?
JL



On 10 Oct 2016, at 22:15, Roman Turovsky  wrote:

It is certainly NOT a liuto-forte, but a single-strung archlute by 
Luc Breton.

RT

On 10/10/2016 2:06 PM, Jarosław Lipski wrote:
The instrument in question is not an archlute or liuto attiorbato, 
but a liuto forte. Some lute players like Luca Pianca, Luciano 
Contini, Eric Bellocq and many others use it, however I would be 
far from saying that this is a historical instrument - see here 
http://liuto-forte.com/ueb_00_en.html 
 It’s easier to play and 
was specially created with guitarists in mind.
Also Lucas fingering in Vivaldi isn’t really Baroque. Having said 
that, his performance from musical point of view was successful, 
and I am glad to see people talking about music on this list :)

Best


On 10 Oct 2016, at 18:23, howard posner  
wrote:



On Oct 10, 2016, at 8:33 AM, Diego Cantalupi  
wrote:


The main problem to me, is that the concerto is played in C, and 
not. in D.
It's easier on a G archlute, but sounds to me very strange for 
the violins.
Luca plays an archlute/liuto attiorbato in A.  I believe Giardino 
Armonico plays at A 415.  I’m guessing the pitch is lowered on 
the Youtube video we’re talking about.  This is commonly done to 
avoid detection by copyright bots.


Here’s a recording of Giardino and Luca doing the same concerto, 
sounding in D at A 415:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0kJwhbZcAM

Of course, it’s possible that the sound is adjusted up on this one.



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Luc Breton used to make lutes for Julian Bream. Probably not a million 
miles away from a liuto forte. HIP?


For those of you who understand French (or enjoy the absurd translations 
of simultaneously generated sub-titles):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WpYuLmUYqk

Best,

Matthew

[LUTE] Re: Saturday morning quotes - A HIP score

[Matthew Daillie]

   Ron,

   In the 'Saturday morning quote' you put on line today and publicised
   (as usual) on this forum, you speak of historically informed
   performance in relation to an Air de cour by Guédron entitled 'Bien
   qu'un cruel martire'. You claim that 'When the modern editor André
   Verchaly published his collection of airs, he transposed the keyboard
   transcription of the lute part to fit the key of the voice part in
   Bataille’s original print.' This is not true at all. The rendition in
   staff notation (why do you automatically think 'keyboard' when you see
   real notes rather than tablature?) is exactly what Bataille published
   in his 'Airs de differents autheurs'. If you look closely at the
   tablature, the first note for the singer is given before the time
   signature. In the piece you refer to, the note indicated is an open
   fourth course. If one assumes a lute at the nominal pitch of a', then
   the first note for the singer is a G, which is exactly what Verchaly
   has indicated, identical to Bataille's printed Air and lute. Your
   assumption of 'a lute tuned in our modern standard of “G”' is
   fallacious. These airs would have been accompanied by lutes of various
   pitches to fit the singing voice.

   The top note in the piece is a G5, hardly 'stratospheric' or
   'dog-whistle range' as you call it. We do not know what the accepted
   pitch was at the time (if indeed there was a standard pitch) but it is
   very likely that it would have been lower than modern pitch of a' at
   440. This music is commonly played at a' 415 today.

   Why do you refer to 'Airs de Court' on your CD rather than 'Airs de
   cour' ? Is there some kind of connection with a tennis match ?
   Matthew
   On 15/10/2016 16:26, Ron Andrico wrote:

   We have posted our Saturday morning quote and offer a HIP score.

   [1][1]http://wp.me/p15OyV-3wS

   Ron & Donna

   --

References

   1. [2]http://wp.me/p15OyV-3wS


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   1. http://wp.me/p15OyV-3wS
   2. http://wp.me/p15OyV-3wS


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[LUTE] Re: Saturday morning quotes - A HIP score

[Matthew Daillie]

On 15/10/2016 19:23, Ron Andrico wrote:

Matthew:

It's nice to know you keep up with our blog, although I expect that you
would direct your commentary there instead of this forum.  We always
appreciate thoughtful and respectful commentary.

In your comment, you skew the point to support the idea that the lute
was presumed to be tuned in A.  Granted, historical reference pitches
have never been hard and fast, and there is absolutely no reason to
presume that A=440 or A=415 had anything to do with historical pitch,
particularly on lutes and other fretted or unfretted stringed
instruments.

Perhaps an excess of bile prompts your other commentary, which again is
a stretch just to make your points.  While it is a matter of taste,
high G is not a particularly pleasant sound to hear, particularly in
music meant for the chamber.   Read some of the source material on
vocal range and production from the era and get back to me on this
after you have informed yourself.

We chose the title "Airs de Court" for our 2005 CD, Divine Amarillis
because that is the term Besard used in his 1603 print, which preceded
Bataille's versions published by Ballard.  True, the term was applied
earlier in LeRoy's book, but Besard was a pioneer in the genre.

Now, if you have anything else you'd like to get off your chest, you
are welcome to comment on our blog rather than this forum.

RA
  

Ron,
As you publicise your blog entry every single Saturday on this forum, it 
only seems logical to respond on the forum.
I can assure you that I know numerous singers who can easily render G 
with ease, elegance and no shortage of emotion, all the more so if the 
instrument is in G and at a'415.
My 'court' comment was tongue in cheek but thank you for the erudite 
response.
Maybe if you spent less time criticising others and setting yourself up 
as an example to follow, I would be less keen to set the record straight.

Matthew



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[LUTE] Re: Saturday morning quotes - A HIP score

[Matthew Daillie]

On 15/10/2016 21:05, Roman Turovsky wrote:
little squeaky lutes in A are very likely a modern anachronism, 
considering that the majority of voices work much better with larger 
lutes tuned a whole 3rd lower - to E, or even D.
RT 


One does not need to use a 'little squeaky lute in a' to accompany these 
airs de cour (although I have had the pleasure of playing two 10-courses 
in a'415 that were anything but squeaky). One should obviously use 
whatever lute suits the singer.




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[LUTE] Re: Saturday morning quotes - A HIP score

[Matthew Daillie]

On 15/10/2016 21:38, Roman Turovsky wrote:
I've been asked the "couldn't we do it lower in E?" question too many 
times.


RT


You should try sopranos. The question is always: 'don't you have a lute 
with a higher pitch?'


Matthew



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[LUTE] Re: Saturday morning quotes - A HIP score

[Matthew Daillie]

Did she have a moustache?

On 15/10/2016 21:46, Roman Turovsky wrote:

the one I worked with - was happy in D.
RT


On 10/15/2016 3:40 PM, Matthew Daillie wrote:

On 15/10/2016 21:38, Roman Turovsky wrote:
I've been asked the "couldn't we do it lower in E?" question too 
many times.


RT


You should try sopranos. The question is always: 'don't you have a 
lute with a higher pitch?'


Matthew





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[LUTE] Re: Pat O'Brien Files

[Matthew Daillie]

On 23/10/2016 16:21, Daniel Shoskes wrote:

Dear Lute World: I have finally had a chance to start sorting through and uploading 
musical files given to me by Pat O’Brien before his death. I have updated the 
website http://www.ob1lute.com  as follows:

Added files to the sections on Baroque Lute (http://www.ob1lute.com/music/baroque-lute.html 
), Baroque Guitar 
(http://www.ob1lute.com/music/baroque-guitar.html 
), and Theorbo 
(http://www.ob1lute.com/music/theorbo.html )

For every piece there is the opportunity to download either a PDF file or a 
Sibelius file (when both are available). I know Sibelius isn’t most 
people’s first choice program but it’s what Pat used and I think the free 
trial version still lets you print, so you could “print as pdf�.

I originally started posting files in a table format (as you can see on the 
other tabs) but it was a huge amount of extra work for me and my limited html 
skills. Hopefully this simpler format is still easy enough to navigate.

I do plan to expand on the continuo and songs sections. I’m holding off 
posting more Renaissance files because it does look as though the long 
anticipated Ren Lute book will finally go ahead.

Please feel free to email with comments, especially if the site doesn’t work 
on the operating system/browser pair you happen to use. Also, if you have 
unique files from Pat that you would like me to add, I’m happy to do so. It 
is certainly the wish of his wife and daughter that his scholarly output be 
made freely available.

Danny
--


Thanks Danny, keep up the good work.

Best
Matthew



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[LUTE] Re: new video

[Matthew Daillie]

On 23/10/2016 18:32, Martin Shepherd wrote:

Hi All,

A new video in the "tips" series - this time some help with tying frets:

https://youtu.be/Qs_pXOoBVLU

Best wishes,

Martin


Dear Martin,

Thanks for the video. Without wanting to question anything you 
demonstrated I thought I might add a few points which I consider to be 
important.


I think that it is advisable to have a set of fret gauges for a 
particular instrument (often supplied by the maker) rather than just 
measuring a fret to be replaced. Very often over time the diameters of 
frets change considerably (the gut generally absorbs humidity and 
becomes thicker) and even if one measures an old fret on the part that 
was sitting on the back of the neck, it is not necessarily the correct 
gauge for a replacement. It also imperative to measure thicknesses of 
new fret gut with a micrometer as they rarely correspond exactly to what 
the manufacturers note on the packet (especially if they have been 
stored for some time). Once the new fret is in place it is always good 
to check that there are no buzzes.


To avoid the issue of scratching a varnished neck (or a plain fruit wood 
neck) with a knot, some people suggest using a slither of thin plastic 
taken from an old credit card or the like which can be put under the 
knot as one slides it into position. Some makers use a hard wood for the 
fingerboard edging which overlaps the neck enough to be able to place 
the knot on and so avoid damage to the softer wood on the neck. I have 
also noticed that it is advisable to put the running end of the fret 
through the knot in such a way as it comes out parallel to the burnt 
end. In this way one makes sure the knot lies flat and does not gouge a 
ridge into the neck.


I try to place the new fret as close as possible to the fret below it 
(or the nut in the case of the first fret) so that when put into 
position it becomes tight enough (you suggest one centimetre lower than 
its final position which doesn't seem quite enough to me).


I have never used a soldering iron to burn the ends of fret gut but find 
that good quality matches or a lighter with an adjustable flame are 
perfectly safe as long as one holds the neck of the lute horizontally so 
that the flame is above the part of the fret one wishes to singe and one 
proceeds by gentle touches using the base of the flame.


One last thing. When passing the fret gut under the strings, it's good 
to check that no strings have been missed out before tying the knot. 
There is nothing more annoying than starting to move a fret into 
position and realising that a string has escaped your attention and is 
above the fret rather than below it!


Best,

Matthew



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[LUTE] Re: 5 c lute in Dd.3.18?

[Matthew Daillie]

On 08/11/2016 20:33, Rainer wrote:

Hello everybody,

I wonder why the ground to The Marygolde Ellis Lawrey, Dd.2.18, f. 23r 
is copied for a 5c instrument (5 lines only).


It is NOT for a 5c bandora which existed in those days.

Any idea, anybody?

Rainer adS

PS: The treble is written on staves wit 5 lines, too, but uses the 6th 
course.



Probably just because there is no need for 6 lines (there is only one 
note on the 6th course in the treble part in the chord at the very end 
of the piece). It saves space too so both pieces fit on the same page.


best

Matthew



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[LUTE] Re: Shirley Rumsey

[Matthew Daillie]

On 10/11/2016 17:43, Edward Martin wrote:

Dear Collective wisdom,
I am wondering if anyone knows the fate or whereabouts of Shirley
Rumsey.   She made a number of beautiful recordings on the Naxos label
in the 1990's, and worked with Christopher Wilson - it is my
understanding they were married.
I was listening to her "Music of the Spanish Renaissance", and did an
search about her, and the Wikipedia page devoted to her gives her birth
and death years of 1933 to 1996.   From what I could see on photos, she
does not appear to be in her 60's when the photo was taken in the 90's.
  I also saw a chat page (I lost the link, sorry) to where someone was
questioning if those birth/death years were indeed one and the same as
our lutenist/singer Shirley Rumsey.   The question put forth was not
answered.
Does anyone know if she has indeed passed away, or is still living?
Thanks in advance,
ed


Dear Ed,

Shirley is fine, living in England with her husband Chris Wilson. 
Neither of them performs in public any more. She is indeed a gifted 
musician,  considering herself mainly as a lutenist (having studied with 
Diana Poulton at the Royal College of Music) although her talents as a 
singer were not to be belittled. She also played harp and keyboard at 
some point.


Best,

Matthew



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[LUTE] Re: Source for Le Berceau Canarie

[Matthew Daillie]

On 19/12/2016 02:04, David Smith wrote:

I am working on a piece in Miguel Serdoura’s Method for Baroque Lute
and am trying to find the manuscript it is from.

In his edition, he references CZ-Pa Ms. Prunières and that it is by
Dubut (le père).


I have done some looking for this but cannot find the manuscript in the
Praha, Státní Archív or anywhere else.


Anyone have a suggestion where I might find the source for this?

Regards

Dvid

--


Le Berceau canarie is on f.47 of the Prunières (now part of the Thibault 
de Chambure collection in the Bibliothèque Nationale de Paris and 
entitled "Fantaisies et Préludes... Mr Weiss à Rome). You might be able 
to locate it here:

http://gallica.bnf.fr/

It can also be found on p.53 of the Barbe manuscript, entitled 'Gigue 
Dubut':

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530592353/f57.image

I have the CNRS edition if that is of any use to you.

Best,
Matthew



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[LUTE] Re: Source for Le Berceau Canarie

[Matthew Daillie]

On 19/12/2016 19:47, David Smith wrote:

Where is it documented that CZ-Pa Ms. Prunières became F-Pn Rés. Vmc ms. 61? I 
have tried to trace this but am not finding it.


The CNRS edition does not give the Vmc ms. 61 reference but for the 
Prunières source states the following:


Paris, B.N., aut. Bibl. particulière Prunières, puis Bibl. G. Thibault 
de Chambure (v. 1712). "Fantaisies et Préludes... (par) Mr Weiss à Rome".


Best

Matthew



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[LUTE] Re: Information of facsimile

[Matthew Daillie]

Great. Many thanks Kakinami.
Best
Matthew



> On Dec 31, 2016, at 0:53, "T.Kakinami"  wrote:
> 
> Information of facsimile I knew so far is updated. List is categorized by
> sources and by authors. Sources are from mainly bibliotheques around the
> world. It also includes personal sites that are in like a public one. Table
> of contents gadget is prepared on the right column so can be easily
> searched.
> 
> http://kakitoshilute.blogspot.com/
> 
> Kakinami
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Help finding a painting

[Matthew Daillie]

The liner notes of Paul O'Dette's CD specify that it is the Portrait of a Young 
Man with a Lute which is in the Wallace collection in London:

http://www.artuk.org/discover/artworks/portrait-of-a-young-man-with-a-lute-209577#

Best,
Matthew

> On Jan 3, 2017, at 2:06, David Morales  wrote:
> 
>   Dear list,
>   Could anybody help me finding an original painting / artist?
>   The painting appears on two excellent recordings:
> * Christopher Wilson ââ Fantasia de Mon Triste
> * Paul O'Dette -   Molinaro: Fantasie, Canzoni e Balli
> 
>   [1]http://c3.cduniverse.ws/resized/250x500/music/136/2234136.jpg
> 
>   [2]http://direct-ns.rhap.com/imageserver/v2/albums/Alb.20699900/images/
>   500x500.jpg
> 
>   Thanks.
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[LUTE] Re: What if I seek for love

[Matthew Daillie]

On 06/01/2017 12:04, Gert de Vries wrote:

Dear All,

I’m looking for “What if I seek for love of thee” by Robert Jones. I can’t find 
it anywhere online.
Anyone who can help me out?

Thanks,

Gert



I can make a scan of the facsimile if you contact me by email.

Best

Matthew



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[LUTE] Re: Aquila Loaded Nylgut sustain

[Matthew Daillie]

   On 08/01/2017 20:58, Christopher Wilke wrote:

Thanks!
   [1]Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

   On Sunday, January 8, 2017, 2:33 PM, David Morales
   [1] wrote:

 Yes, we have some quotes and images on our blog related to that topic
 in the interview with M. Peruffo regarding these loaded strings.
 Check it out here:

   [1][2][2]http://cuerdaspulsadas.es/blog/new-loaded-synthetic-bass-strings-
   by-
 aquila-corde/

   There are some mistakes in the transcription of the excerpt in a modern
   font (part of which is highlighted), it is best to read the scan of the
   original.

   Best

   Matthew
   --

References

   1. mailto:dmorale...@cuerdaspulsadas.com
   2. http://cuerdaspulsadas.es/blog/new-loaded-synthetic-bass-strings


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[LUTE] Re: Aquila Loaded Nylgut sustain

[Matthew Daillie]

On 08/01/2017 21:46, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote:

The exact quotation from Mersenne is :
"...le son des grosses chordes de Luth est apperceu de l'oreille durant la sixiesme 
partie, ou le tiers d'une minute, c'est à dire pendant que l'artère du poux d'un homme sain, 
& sans emotion bat dix, ou vingt fois..."
which can be roughly translated by : the sound of the big strings of a Lute is 
perceived by the ear during the sixth part, or a third of a minute, that is to say 
as long as the pulse of a healthy man, without emotion, beats ten, or twenty 
times..."

Amicalement,

Jean-Marie


'sans emotion' means in a relaxed state



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[LUTE] Re: Aquila Loaded Nylgut sustain

[Matthew Daillie]

   On 08/01/2017 21:29, howard posner wrote:

On Jan 8, 2017, at 12:11 PM, Rob MacKillop [1] wrote:

  Excellent. I'd appreciate a good translation of the French...

Google Translate renders "le son des grosses chordes de Luth est apperceu de Tor
eille durant la sixiesme partie,  ou le tiers d'vne minutec'est à dire pendant 
q
ue Tartere du poux d'un homme sain"

as

"The sound of the large strings of Luth is seen from the ear during the sixth pa
rt, or the third of a minute is to be said while the tartar of the lice of a hea
lthy man"

I don't know you can improve on that.

   Top notch! Who needs translators?
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References

   1. mailto:robmackil...@gmail.com


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[LUTE] Re: Aquila Loaded Nylgut sustain

[Matthew Daillie]

One thing nobody seems to have mentioned is the vast differences in sustain 
from one instrument to another. Maybe Mersenne's comments go to show just how 
good some lutes were at the time. If one was to rest a lute on the edge of a 
wooden table as they were wont to do at the time, then maybe those 20 seconds 
are not so unrealistic.
Best,
Matthew



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[LUTE] Re: Aquila Loaded Nylgut sustain

[Matthew Daillie]

Differences in string length can obviously also account for considerable 
variations in sustain.



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[LUTE] Re: Mrs White's nothing

[Matthew Daillie]

Dear Rainer,

It doesn't sound awfully wrong to me. Furthermore, if you play just the 
bass line you will see that the voice moves in exactly the same fashion 
in bars 5 and 6.


Best,

Matthew

On 15/01/2017 14:00, Rainer wrote:

Dear lute netters,

please note that the tablature snippets in this mail may look very 
strange if you do not use a fixed font or - much worse - your mail 
client wraps after 80 bytes.


I am currently playing through the music supplement 100 (English Lute 
Society) and noticed some thing I had not noticed before.


CLM 56 appears as


 |\   |\  |\  |\  |\  |\  |\   |\  |\  |\  |\   |\  |\  |\  |\ |\  
|\   |\  |\  |\  |\  |\
 |\   |\  |\  |\  |\  |\  |\   |\  |\  |\  ||\  |\  |\  |\ |\  
|\   |\  |\  |\  |\  |
 ||.  |\  |   |.  |\  ||.  |\  |   |.   |.  |\  |   |. |\  
||.  |\  |   |   |
_d__ _c___a___a__ _f___d___c__ 
_d___c___a___h___f___d__ _c___a__
_a__|_a___a___e___a__|_c___e___a___a__|_a___d__|_a___a___e___a__| 

|_d___b___a__|||_d___b___a__| 

_c__|_b___c___c__|_e___b__|_f__|_a___c__| 

|_c___a__|_c__||_c__| 

|_d__|_c___a__|_a___d__|| 




in the Poulton edition (1974) and in John's version in the supplement.

I think it must  be changed to (bar 4)


 |\   |\  |\  |\  |\  |\  |\   |\  |\  |\  |\   |\  |\  |\  |\ |\  
|\   |\  |\  |\  |\  |\
 |\   |\  |\  |\  |\  |\  |\   |\  |\  |\  ||\  |\  |\  |\ |\  
|\   |\  |\  |\  |\  |
 ||.  |\  |   |.  |\  ||.  |\  |   |.   |.  |\  |   |. |\  
||.  |\  |   |   |
_d__ _c___a___a__ _f___d___c__ 
_d___c___a___h___f___d__ _c___a__
_a__|_a___a___e___a__|_c___e___a___a__|_a___d__|_a___a___e___a__| 

|_d___b___a__|||_d___b___a__| 

_c__|_b___c___c__|_e___b__|_f__|_b___c__| 

|_c___a__|_c__||_c__| 

|_d__|_c___a__|_a___d__|| 




1) It sounds awfully wrong

2) Dowland did not write such harmonies - Cutting did :)

3) compare bar 2

What do you think?

Rainer 




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[LUTE] Re: Gigue in D minor (Possibly Weiss)

[Matthew Daillie]

   If you are interested you can order a scan of the Baltic Lute Book
   (F-Sim ms. Rm 271 (Baltisches Lautenbuch) from the Strasbourg library.
   Here are the links:
   [1]http://biblio.bnu.fr/opac/.do?sysb=bnu&q=LIBERA:Lautenbuch#5
   [2]https://www.books2ebooks.eu/odm/orderformular.do?formular_id21&shelf
   mark=BUSBP&sys_id=BUS1520062
   It seems that it would cost in the region of 15 euros.
   Best,
   Matthew
   On 18/01/2017 10:48, [3]b...@symbol4.de wrote:

   Dear John,

   in the very deserving database of baroque lute manuscripts by Peter
   Steur

   [4]http://mss.slweiss.de

   you'll find the "Strasbourg manuscript" as

   [5]http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1&type=ms&ms=F-Sim&langÞu&instr=all

   You can now browse the incipits, or you can use the filter function.
   This can be tricky if the title is not written as you expected it to
   be. In this case it is "Giga" instead of "Gigue". But if you enter the
   beginning of the shelf mark (signature ) "F-Sim" and the tonality "d
   minor" you'll end up with 10 pieces, one of them is the one you are
   looking for.

   [6]http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?lang=eng&id=1&exFilter=1&type=mss&st=0&;
   test=1&instr=all&msnam=F-Sim&abcinc=&title=&comp=&key=d&st=0

   best wishes
   B

   Gesendet: Mittwoch, 18. Januar 2017 um 10:11 Uhr
   Von: "John Yentes" [7]
   An: [8]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Betreff: [LUTE] Gigue in D minor (Possibly Weiss)
   I am looking for the tablature to this specific piece of music. it is
   from the Strasbourg manuscript according to the uploader of this video
   I have included. If anyone knows where I can find it, I would be
   greatly appreciative. I have searched quite a bit and have, as of
   yet, come up empty handed.
   [1][1][9]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-O5cvv_Rg8
   Thanks
   John
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References

   1. [12]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-O5cvv_Rg8
   2. [13]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-O5cvv_Rg8
   3. [14]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html


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References

   1. http://biblio.bnu.fr/opac/.do?sysb=bnu&q=LIBERA:Lautenbuch#5
   2. 
https://www.books2ebooks.eu/odm/orderformular.do?formular_id21&shelfmark=BUSBP&sys_id=BUS1520062
   3. mailto:b...@symbol4.de
   4. http://mss.slweiss.de/
   5. http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1&type=ms&ms=F-Sim&langÞu&instr=all
   6. http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?lang=eng&id=1&exFilter=1&type=mss&st=0&;
   7. mailto:jackyen...@gmail.com
   8. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   9. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-O5cvv_Rg8
  10. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-O5cvv_Rg8
  11. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
  12. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-O5cvv_Rg8
  13. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-O5cvv_Rg8
  14. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html