[LUTE] Re: Siena lute book

[Petrus Paulus Maria Steur]

   You could look at the Manuscript Database [1]https://mss.slweiss.de
   under NL-DHnmiA20. You'll find the listing AND the incipits.
   Peter

   Il giorno dom 7 giu 2020 alle ore 02:30 Leonard Williams
   <[2]arc...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> ha scritto:

I'm looking for an index or catalog of the contents of the
 Siena
Lute Book, but can't seem to find anything.   I would like to
 correlate
the pieces on Heringman's album with tablatures, but he doesn't
 list
folios in his playlist.
Also--what is the significance of the Minkoff numbering
 system
(which Jacob does indicate)?
Thanks and regards,
Leonard Williams
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[LUTE] Re: Bartolotti music for theorbo

[Petrus Paulus Maria Steur]

   Just follow the link given in the database
   ([1]https://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=1=ms=A-Wn17706=A
   =deu=all)
   Peter

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   Il giorno ven 5 giu 2020 alle ore 10:20 Martyn Hodgson
   <[3]hodgsonmar...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> ha scritto:

see here
[1]A-Wn MusHs 17706
 [scribd.png]
   A-Wn MusHs 17706
Note the tiorba works are copied from the last leaf of the book
 going
forwards
M
On Friday, 5 June 2020, 08:58:49 BST, Monica Hall
<[4]mjlh...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
I was wondering about that as I don't actually have a copy of
 this
particular ms. only the Goess ms.
Monica
> On 05 June 2020 at 08:45 "[2][5]s.wa...@ntlworld.com"
<[3][6]s.wa...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> It would be very interesting to see what this music looks
 like.
Are there any images online?
>
> Sent from my Huawei phone
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Martyn Hodgson
 <[4][7]hodgsonmar...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020, 08:21
> To: [5][8]yuval.dvo...@posteo.de, LuteList
<[6][9]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>, Monica Hall
 <[7][10]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>,
Roland Hayes <[8][11]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org>
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti music for theorbo
>
> ?space?--   Dear Roland,
  Bartolotti's precise dates seem unknown at present but c.1630 -
 1682
  may be a reasonable estimate. The inclusion of works for lute
 by Losy
  (b.1650) and Ginter(b.1661) in the earlier part of this Ms
 suggests a
  date around 1680/90 for its compilation.
  The tiorba was, of course, a widely employed instrument for
 continuo
in
  this period and, in my view, it's unsurprising that a few
 pieces for
  solo instruments by various unidentified tiorba players, as
 well as
  famed players such as Bartolotti, shouldn't turn up in
 collections
from
  time to time.
  Petyer Steur suggests the lute piece on f.26v (Gigue de Angelin
 de
  Rome) is by A M Bartolotii but this may be simply speculation
 around
  similar word association.
  regards,
  Martyn
  On Thursday, 4 June 2020, 20:53:14 BST, Roland Hayes
  <[9][12]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org> wrote:
While the unascribed pieces could by someone else, they
 surely play
  and
sound like Bartolotti.
Is there any other theorbo player from that time that we know
 of,
who
could match the style and technique of these pieces?
r
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti music for theorbo
Thanks for this.
I have the Moscardi edition but he doesn't give any reasons
 for
thinking the pieces are by Bartolotti.
Unfortunately with lockdown I can't visit the library to
 check any
other sources but if I do eventually find some evidence I
 will let
  you
know.
Cheers
Monica
> On 04 June 2020 at 17:03 [7][16][19]yuval.dvo...@posteo.de
 wrote:
>
>
> Maybe it's worth to take a look on some of the literature?
 There
  is:
>
> Boetticher: RISM B VII, p. 351-352 (rather useless, but he
 gives
a
bunch
> of literature which I don't know)
> Meyer (ed.): Sources Manuscrites en Tablature III/1, S.
 121-125
(he
> doesn't give any information on the other theorbo pieces,
 but I
> apparently in the lute part of the mansucript there's a
 piece by
> "Angelin de Rome" which Meyer supposed to identify as
 Bartolotti
as
> well. And also there you'll find a lot of literature.)
> And there's a new edition by Massimo Moscardo: Ã ¢A. M.
Bartolotti,
Pià ¨ces
> pour thà ©orbe", Paris (SFL) 1995, which could be worth to
 check!
>
> Please keep us 

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Anniversary of Leonardo da Vinci

[Petrus Paulus Maria Steur]

   Dear All,
   On the occasion of the anniversary of Leonardo's death, I have been
   asked to send around the announcement of a reconstructed piece on a
   sonnet by the Great Leonardo, with some suggestions for good health.
   Voice by Gigi Marras and (renaissance-)Lute by my close friend Franco
   Fois.
   You can find it at [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON5pn6bggnw
   Enjoy...
   Peter Steur

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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: London Weiss manuscript is online

[Petrus Paulus Maria Steur]

   There seems to be a marked difference in resolution of at least a
   factor of 2 between ms downloaded  as a whole and singly downloaded
   pages. This can be simply due to the ms pages occupying only the lower
   half of each page ..., since the overall size of about 55 MB is the
   same.
   Peter
   Il giorno mer 20 giu 2018 alle ore 18:45 Markus Lutz
   <[1]mar...@gmlutz.de> ha scritto:

 Thank you, dear David, indeed it works.
 But the pictures seem to have the size of the jpegs: 1024x864.
 Best regards
 Markus
 Am 20.06.2018 um 17:36 schrieb David Smith:
 > I just downloaded the entire manuscript with no problem. Images
 appear to be 4959x7017 (at least on the one I extracted from the
 PDF.
 > It appears they fixed their download problem.
 > David
 >
 > -Original Message-
 > From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
 On Behalf Of Markus Lutz
 > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 2:49 AM
 > To: Barocklautenliste <[4]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
 > Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] London Weiss manuscript is online
 >
 > Dear members of the baroque lute list,
 > Tim Crawford has written, that now the London Weiss manuscript is
 online. It can be viewed and also be downloaded via the following
 link:
 >
 [5]http://access.bl.uk/item/viewer/ark:/81055/vdc_100059002407.0x000
 001
 >
 > It seems as if only downloading single jpgs works (at least for
 me).
 > It is a very good scan, although the given resolution isn't that
 detailed.
 > But you can look online into the pages in a very high resolution!
 >
 > Best regards
 > Markus
 >
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[LUTE] Re: CLFBoc, n° 13

[Petrus Paulus Maria Steur]

   Dear All,
   there seem to be two persons with a CLFBoc: CLFBocI (also simply
   CLFBoc) and CLFBocII and both have a n °13.
   From the concordances the first would be the earlier (renaissance) one
   while the other the baroque chap.
   For the first I have (at the moment):
   PL-Kj40641 / 7v - GB-LblA38539 / 21r - Besard1603 / 128v - CZ-PnmIVG18
   / 29v - GB-HAB1 / 76v - GB-HAB1 / 253v - Vallet1615 / 78 -
   GB(-?)18940-1-3-4 / 1v
   while for the second there are the concordances already given by Markus
   Lutz.
   Peter

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   2018-03-19 14:59 GMT+01:00 Markus Lutz <[2]mar...@gmlutz.de>:

 There is a concordance for baroque lute in Goess:
 1. A-ETgoëssI / 93v| 2. F-Pn6214 / 17v
 Best regards
 Markus
 Am 19.03.2018 um 14:50 schrieb Lex van Sante:

 Sorry, forgot to mention: no concordances for nr. 13 for baroque
 lute.
 Lex

 Op 19 mrt. 2018, om 14:48 heeft Lex van Sante
 <[3]lvansa...@gmail.com> het volgende geschreven:
 Hey Rainer,
 there are 2 numbers 13
 for renaissance lute:
 Gaillarde from Besard 1603 VI f. 128 Conc. Pra. IV G 18 f. 29'30
 "Gaillarde S. N."
 for baroque lute:
 Courante (avec) Double Vm7 6214, f.17'-18'
 If you are greedy I could scan and pm.
 Cheers
 Lex

 Op 19 mrt. 2018, om 14:32 heeft Rainer
 <[4]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de > het volgende geschreven:
 Dear lute netters,
 can anybody (an owner of the cnrs edition of Bocquet) tell me what
 CLFBoc, n ° 13
 is? With concordances if possible...
 Best wishes,
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[LUTE] Re: Cherbury lute book

[Petrus Paulus Maria Steur]

   Dear all,
   some of you might have a look at my enlarged website [1]mss.slweiss.de
   where the Cherbury is already present with a lot of concordances
   (hopefully all correct).
   Peter Steur

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   2018-02-01 21:00 GMT+01:00 Jean-Marie Poirier
   <[3]jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr>:

 Dear Göran,
 There is already quite a bit of work done by John H. Robinson
 regarding a number of pieces by Gaultier. It was the subject of
 a publication for the Lute Society back in 1997, a music supplement
 entitled Music in Vieil Ton by Gauthier. Not everything is there
 but it's a good starting point !
 To complete a recording I have done recently, I will publish a
 collection of the pieces in old tuning in the near future (for
 Corentto Verlag in Stuttgart)
 and, of course, I will try to give a few more concordances whenever
 possible. It takes time, as you know too well !
 In the meanwhile, here is a little video of a Preludium, anonymous
 but in a source where the Gaultier's pieces abound (Swan ms.) and
 a "Courrente Gautier" which appears in several European manuscripts
 of the 1620s or 30s...
 [4]https://youtu.be/-TNndX7KcUs
 All the best,
 Jean-Marie
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 >Dear Jean Marie,
 >I beg to differ about the quality of these little sketches, but
 look
 >forward to an informed edition with the "motorized" versions.
 In the
 >meantime it would be helpful with a concordance list for these
 short
 >Gaultier pieces in the old tuning.
 >Best wishes
 >G.
 >On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 2:03 PM, Jean-Marie Poirier
 ><[1][5]jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
 >
 >  Dear GÃÆÃ ¶ran,
 >  I do certainly lean towards Ennemond, and most probably not
 Jacques,
 >  as Cherbury did not support the latter after he sought refuge
 in
 >  England to escape the King's justice and a certain death for
 the
 >  murder of a noble man in France ! Sorry Thurston ;-) !
 >  In my recent article in the Lute 2014, (English Lute Society)
 which
 >  can also be downloaded from Academia
 >  ([2][6]https://tinyurl.com/ydze2e2g)
 >  there is a note(19) about this question, and I am
 grateful to
 >  Chris Goodwin for bringning this to my attention :
 >  "FranÃÆÃ §ois-Pierre Goy pointed out in a lecture to the Lute
 Society
 >  that Herbert was indeed
 >  involved as ambassador in France in negotiations about
 Jacques
 >  Gaultier's extradition, but
 >  we have no proof that he personally knew him and, as he
 writes in a
 >  letter that the lutenist
 >  fled to England à ¢for haveing killed a brave French
 Gentleman and of
 >  a noble house in a most
 >  base fashion', he may not even have wished to be acquainted
 with a
 >  man for whom he must
 >  have felt a deep contempt (Lute News, forthcoming). This may
 be a
 >  good reason to suppose
 >  that Lord Herbert would not have made an effort to collect
 Jacques
 >  Gaultier's music."
 >  If some of the pieces by "Gauthier" in the Cherbury Book can
 be
 >  regraded as "pedestrian", an opinion which I do not share
 ;-), don't
 >  forget that most of them can be found in other maunscripts in
 Europe
 >  and often with divisions in the repeats which indeed help to
 >  "motorize" them !
 >   All the best,
 >  Jean-Marie
 >  --
 >  > When looking at the Gaultier pieces in Cherbury, I
 recall a
 >  recent
 >  > discussion on the possibility of these being by
 Ennemond in
 >  vieil ton.
 >  > All these pieces are very short and I must say rather
 >  pedestrian, and
 >  > not indicative of the great fame of Ennemond. Thurston
 Dart in
 >  his 1957
 >  > article leans quite firmly toward Jacques d'Angleterre
 being
 >  the
 >  > Gaultier in question. Would those having delved more
 deeply
 >  into these
 >  > pieces and their "style" agree?
 >  > G.
 >
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: E. Gaultier, Cleopatre Amante

[Petrus Paulus Maria Steur]

   Hi Wayne,
   if you go to the page for the second Saizenay ms on my
   manuscripts-website an switch to this piece, on p. 84, click on the
   Concordance N °22 number and you will find that they are as many as 15
   (one a Double, not a real concordance).
   Peter

   2017-09-21 16:41 GMT+02:00 Wayne <[1]wst...@cs.dartmouth.edu>:

 Hi Lute People -
  I would like to know which manuscripts E Gaultier's piece
 "Cleopatre Amante" is in, other than the second Saiznay manuscript.
   And perhaps which Gaultier composed it.
  Wayne
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[LUTE] Re: La folia

[Petrus Paulus Maria Steur]

   You might also try [1]Http://mss.slweiss.de using the 'search'
   function.
   Peter

   2017-06-10 13:28 GMT+02:00 Wim Loos <[2]wjglso...@gmail.com>:

Dear friends,
I'm looking for La folia in French tablature for Renaissance
 lute. Does
anyone where I can find it.
Thanks in advance,
Wim Loos
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