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Il giorno ven 5 giu 2020 alle ore 10:20 Martyn Hodgson
<[3]hodgsonmar...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> ha scritto:
see here
[1]A-Wn MusHs 17706
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A-Wn MusHs 17706
Note the tiorba works are copied from the last leaf of the book
going
forwards
M
On Friday, 5 June 2020, 08:58:49 BST, Monica Hall
<[4]mjlh...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
I was wondering about that as I don't actually have a copy of
this
particular ms. only the Goess ms.
Monica
> On 05 June 2020 at 08:45 "[2][5]s.wa...@ntlworld.com"
<[3][6]s.wa...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> It would be very interesting to see what this music looks
like.
Are there any images online?
>
> Sent from my Huawei phone
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Martyn Hodgson
<[4][7]hodgsonmar...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020, 08:21
> To: [5][8]yuval.dvo...@posteo.de, LuteList
<[6][9]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>, Monica Hall
<[7][10]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>,
Roland Hayes <[8][11]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org>
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti music for theorbo
>
> ?space?-- Dear Roland,
Bartolotti's precise dates seem unknown at present but c.1630 -
1682
may be a reasonable estimate. The inclusion of works for lute
by Losy
(b.1650) and Ginter(b.1661) in the earlier part of this Ms
suggests a
date around 1680/90 for its compilation.
The tiorba was, of course, a widely employed instrument for
continuo
in
this period and, in my view, it's unsurprising that a few
pieces for
solo instruments by various unidentified tiorba players, as
well as
famed players such as Bartolotti, shouldn't turn up in
collections
from
time to time.
Petyer Steur suggests the lute piece on f.26v (Gigue de Angelin
de
Rome) is by A M Bartolotii but this may be simply speculation
around
similar word association.
regards,
Martyn
On Thursday, 4 June 2020, 20:53:14 BST, Roland Hayes
<[9][12]rha...@legalaidbuffalo.org> wrote:
While the unascribed pieces could by someone else, they
surely play
and
sound like Bartolotti.
Is there any other theorbo player from that time that we know
of,
who
could match the style and technique of these pieces?
r
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bartolotti music for theorbo
Thanks for this.
I have the Moscardi edition but he doesn't give any reasons
for
thinking the pieces are by Bartolotti.
Unfortunately with lockdown I can't visit the library to
check any
other sources but if I do eventually find some evidence I
will let
you
know.
Cheers
Monica
> On 04 June 2020 at 17:03 [7][16][19]yuval.dvo...@posteo.de
wrote:
>
>
> Maybe it's worth to take a look on some of the literature?
There
is:
>
> Boetticher: RISM B VII, p. 351-352 (rather useless, but he
gives
a
bunch
> of literature which I don't know)
> Meyer (ed.): Sources Manuscrites en Tablature III/1, S.
121-125
(he
> doesn't give any information on the other theorbo pieces,
but I
> apparently in the lute part of the mansucript there's a
piece by
> "Angelin de Rome" which Meyer supposed to identify as
Bartolotti
as
> well. And also there you'll find a lot of literature.)
> And there's a new edition by Massimo Moscardo: à ¢A. M.
Bartolotti,
Pià ¨ces
> pour thà ©orbe", Paris (SFL) 1995, which could be worth to
check!
>
> Please keep us informed, in fact I'm very curious what
you're
going
to
> find on this subject :-)
> Yuval
>
> Am 04.06.2020 17:45 schrieb Monica Hall:
> > Thanks Martyn
> > That's very helpful.
> > Regards
> > Monica
> >> On 04 June 2020 at 14:35 Martyn Hodgson
> >> <[8][17][20]hodgsonmar...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear Monica,
> >> No - I don't know if there are any grounds for
attributing
the
> >> other
> >> tiorba pieces in this Ms to Bartolotti other than,
of
course,
being
> >> adjacent in the same Ms. Incidentally the
attribution of
the
> >> Allemande
> >> (Allemanda di Angelo Michiele) is on f.89r. not 92r.
> >> The following Corrente with a variatione on 88r to
87v
(reversed
> >> folios) seems stylistically very close to the
Allemanda, as
does
> >> the
> >> concluding Sarabanda with its variatione, so I'd be
happy
to
accept
> >> these as part of a suite by the same composer AM.
The fact
that
> >> the
> >> earlier Ms pieces for tiorba (ie from 92 to 89) do
not have
the
> >> attribution to AM might suggest they're not by him,
but....
> >> regards,
> >> Martyn
> >>
> >> On Thursday, 4 June 2020, 09:56:59 BST, Monica Hall
> >> <[9][18][21]mjlh...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
> >> Ms. 17706 in the Austrian National Library in Vienna
includes
10
> >> pieces
> >> for theorbo usually attributed to Bartolotti. The
Allemanda
on
> >> f.92r is
> >> attributed to Angelo Michiele. Does anyone know on
what
grounds
the
> >> other nine pieces are attributed to Bartolotti?
> >> Thanks
> >> Monica
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