Song to the Siren, lute voice
Song to the Siren, on the renaissance lute: i played this without preparation, a one-take-recording, impromptu. Usually i'd mess it up at some point when recording like that but this time it didn't, so here it is if someone may like to listen to it: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/raydimitry/soni/Siren.mp3 love R _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
RE: composers style, analysing for
>Once one knows what 'rifs' and harmonic progressions typify a particular >composers >work, sure, it not hard to set up programs to throw the dice (ala mozarts >game). > >Some composers did in have identifyable rythms and/or rifs; others are more >subtle >in their style. The machines can never imitate Feeling though. Personally, i can never find a piece charming or being touched by it if i don't like Feeling of this piece/creation--no matter how "matematically-correct" it is. A machine cannot transmit a feeling because it has no Awareness. And awareness is the degree of one being's consciousness about its connection to Infinity. I feel that we as creators strive for that--to bring back into life our connection with the Infinite. I know that people with true connection with Infinity (is called fierce innocence) can do just anything, they can take three stones, throw them in the air, and still the stones will fall into a pattern that will cary grace and a touch of the infinite in it. And in a subsurface level, beyound the superficial/artificial, that's what really touches people. I've seen people even often cry when they witness a free gesture of grace and selflessnes, and i know they can cry because they know deep inside of them that they had it all--this grace and innocence, but little by little they neglected it and gave it away in exchange for selfish concern about ego "superiority" and selfpresentation. So they cry for a lost connection. But man, i'm telling you, no machine will bring it back:) If one is stiff, egotistical, cut from every thing, "superiour", they can do all the right calculations of matematical proportions of harmonic progressions, etc, but they can only fool the blind with such 'creations'. _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: lute siting
>Another example perhaps of how uninformed film makers are about musical >matters. Everything is authentic to the last detail except the music. > >Cheers > >Monica > Oh yeah, its sometimes just ridiculous:) --like for example on this movie i saw sometime ago, there was this real romantic scene where on a hill, the dark outlined sylhuette of a guy was playing (holding) the highland pipes (the film is about 15 century). So thats already weird--we didn't have such pipes in Scottland then.. To make things worst, on this image they had the sound of Irish Uillean pipes playing... _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Bransle Simple1 A. Francisque
dear people, just recorded this yesterday: branle simple1 Antoine Francissuqe if someone wants to use it as sound refference to tablature or just listen for fun, it's here: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/raydimitry/soni/bransle%20Rosin%20Dimitry%20A.Francisque.MP3 love Rosin Dimitry _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Non-lute message
To those who saw the title "non-lute", red the message, and made the effort to complain about it: with all my respect, I gave "non-lute" name of the message exactly for people like you, to spare you reading 'sucking' stuff. If, however it pleases you to complain, please go ahead. And before you pucker your lips and squint your eyes in a scornful, capricious face you may want to know that it is NOT MY PLEASURE to post such messages. I post them because i think that there is sense of emergency and responsibility. Democracy is a very fragile dream, believe me! NEVER take democracy for granted. AND: democracy is not to be viewed from the observers' seats. To be aware is already to participate. How do you like this: _ "...This so-called ill treatment and torture in detention centers, stories of which were spread everywhere among the people, and later by the prisoners who were freed were not, as some assumed, inflicted methodically, but were excesses committed by individual prison guards, their deputies, and men who laid violent hands on the detainees. " _ Can anyone tell me who said that? Was it: A) George W. Bush? B) John Ashcroft? C) Donald Rumsfeld? D) Someone else? If you answered someone else", youd be right. It was Rudolf Hoess, SS Kommandant of the infamous Auschwitz death camp where over 2.5 million people were murdered. Conservatives, who love to call Liberals whiny, get whiny as hell when the Bush administration is compared to Nazi Germany, or to fascism in general. Guess what, though? The comparisons are beginning to come through more and more. Scott Horton wrote in the LA Times: Consider the memorandum written by Alberto Gonzales then the presidents attorney, now his nominee for attorney general. He wrote that the Geneva Convention was obsolete when it came to the war on terror. Gonzales reasoned that our adversaries were not parties to the convention and that the Geneva concept was ill suited to anti-terrorist warfare. In 1941, General-Field Marshal Wilhelm Keitel, the head of Hitlers Wehrmacht, mustered identical arguments against recognizing the Geneva rights of Soviet soldiers fighting on the Eastern Front. Keitel even called Geneva obsolete, a remark noted by U.S. prosecutors at Nuremberg, who cited it as an aggravating circumstance in seeking, and obtaining, the death penalty. Keitel was executed in 1946. Hitler was installed, then re-elected. Bush was installed, then re-elected. Hitler had Reichstag, Bush had 9/11. (I am not implying government collusion in 9/11, FYI) Both used their respective catastrophes to assume more power (Hitler with the Enabling Act, Bush with the USA PATRIOT Act), and to assume dictatorial powers. Hitler used Christianity to give his words absolute authority and decried any who dissented as unpatriotic. Bush uses Christianity to give his words absolute authority and decries any who dissent as unpatriotic. Hitler said: The German people are not a warlike nation. It is a soldierly one, which means it does not want a war, but does not fear it. It loves peace but also loves its honor and freedom Bush said: Were pursuing a strategy of freedom around the world, because I understand free nations will reject terror. Free nations will answer the hopes and aspirations of their people. Free nations will help us achieve the peace we all want. I have rejected this type of comparison of Bush to Hitler for months, because Hitler was a genocidal maniac bent on ruling the world with his ideology. I submit this comparison now because I believe the same to be true of George W. Bush. George W. Bush will have his empire, and he will kill any person, group, or country that stands in his way. I challenge any of you to tell me why that is not so, as he has already proved it. * The great American traditionally land of freedom is being turned into a prison state. I read this and can't believe my eyes, how people can let this: "...An Oregon anti-terrorism bill would jail street demonstrators for at least 25 years in a thinly veiled effort to discourage anti-war protests, critics say. Actual bill states that protesters would be imprisoned in forced labor gulags..." Do you still have the scorn face on? It goes well with you? You knew about it already? You didn't want to know about it? Free speech zones? Hello, wake up! While you slept they reduced a Free Speech country into tiny controlled "Free Speech Zones". Caricature of what America is supposed to be: http://www.prisonplanet.com/310104freespeechzones.html Controlled Mass Media? Wake up, this AINT NO RIGHT! : Conservative columnist discloses CIA operative's name, liberal reporters face jail time: http://www.navhindtimes.com/stories.php?part=news&Story_ID=121025 Articles published by American outlets suppressed in their own country (talking about Auschwitz): http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3713.htm Bush'
non-lute message
" Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power.". Benito Mussolini It is the sixtieth year anniversarry of the liberation of Auschwitz. People were exterminated there in the name of "purity", in the name of "order", in the name of "cleaning". These concepts of purity, order and cleanness were injected into the masses brains through ideologies of suepriority, self-importance and "security". I feel it is our duty to be ever cautious about such mental conditionig repeating itself. For that purpose, for whatever it is worth, here are the basic characteristics of fasism: "...For the purpose of this perspective, I will consider the following regimes: Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, Francos Spain, Salazars Portugal, Papadopouloss Greece, Pinochets Chile, and Suhartos Indonesia. To be sure, they constitute a mixed bag of national identities, cultures, developmental levels, and history. But they all followed the fascist or protofascist model in obtaining, expanding, and maintaining power. Further, all these regimes have been overthrown, so a more or less complete picture of their basic characteristics and abuses is possible. Analysis of these seven regimes reveals fourteen common threads that link them in recognizable patterns of national behavior and abuse of power. These basic characteristics are more prevalent and intense in some regimes than in others, but they all share at least some level of similarity. 1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism. From the prominent displays of flags and bunting to the ubiquitous lapel pins, the fervor to show patriotic nationalism, both on the part of the regime itself and of citizens caught up in its frenzy, was always obvious. Catchy slogans, pride in the military, and demands for unity were common themes in expressing this nationalism. It was usually coupled with a suspicion of things foreign that often bordered on xenophobia. 2. Disdain for the importance of human rights. The regimes themselves viewed human rights as of little value and a hindrance to realizing the objectives of the ruling elite. Through clever use of propaganda, the population was brought to accept these human rights abuses by marginalizing, even demonizing, those being targeted. When abuse was egregious, the tactic was to use secrecy, denial, and disinformation. 3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause. The most significant common thread among these regimes was the use of scapegoating as a means to divert the peoples attention from other problems, to shift blame for failures, and to channel frustration in controlled directions. The methods of choicerelentless propaganda and disinformationwere usually effective. Often the regimes would incite spontaneous acts against the target scapegoats, usually communists, socialists, liberals, Jews, ethnic and racial minorities, traditional national enemies, members of other religions, secularists, homosexuals, and terrorists. Active opponents of these regimes were inevitably labeled as terrorists and dealt with accordingly. 4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism. Ruling elites always identified closely with the military and the industrial infrastructure that supported it. A disproportionate share of national resources was allocated to the military, even when domestic needs were acute. The military was seen as an expression of nationalism, and was used whenever possible to assert national goals, intimidate other nations, and increase the power and prestige of the ruling elite. 5. Rampant sexism. Beyond the simple fact that the political elite and the national culture were male-dominated, these regimes inevitably viewed women as second-class citizens. They were adamantly anti-abortion and also homophobic. These attitudes were usually codified in Draconian laws that enjoyed strong support by the orthodox religion of the country, thus lending the regime cover for its abuses. 6. A controlled mass media. Under some of the regimes, the mass media were under strict direct control and could be relied upon never to stray from the party line. Other regimes exercised more subtle power to ensure media orthodoxy. Methods included the control of licensing and access to resources, economic pressure, appeals to patriotism, and implied threats. The leaders of the mass media were often politically compatible with the power elite. The result was usually success in keeping the general public unaware of the regimes excesses. 7. Obsession with national security. Inevitably, a national security apparatus was under direct control of the ruling elite. It was usually an instrument of oppression, operating in secret and beyond any constraints. Its actions were justified under the rubric of protecting national security, and questioning its activities was portrayed as unpatriotic or even treasonous. 8. Religion and r
Re: Re: Carbon fiber strings
>Jon wrote: >I can agree with the beauty of the bass< *** i'm not talking about "the beauty of the bass" (whatever that means), what i talk about is the fact that most of us, lute players, preffer a LONGER VIBRATING TONE. I've taken time to read some of your lenghtly writings (hard to find exactly what your question is each time, they say--hehe) and i've never seen this one concept being mentioned. So i though i'd give you my attention and mention something "new" for your 'explorations'. Or have you passed the age when the last openness for new things is sealed:))) (hope not!) So, may-be, amongst all of your empirical mesurements of tension, stress, pitch, vibrating lenght, diameter, etc.., time lenght of the vibrating tone can find place too if you wish.. * >Jon wrote: >and I'm not sure how R. got the >impression that I was suggesting a certain pitch for a certain guage (and >I'm not sure what that means).< *** i thought that's what you talk about all the time: the corelations, proportions, dependencies, etc, between gauges, pitches, vibrating lenghts, densities etc. What i meant is that besides all these notions, the notion/exploration of Time Lenght of Vibration can be interesting to be studied too--together with it's corelations with the other notions. * >Jon wrote: >One can go as long as one wants on fretted >courses, just make a longer neck and more frets< *** no. not for the renaissance lute repertoire at least. what do you play J? * >Jon wrote: >and if your arm is too >short get an assistant to do the fretting < *** May-be my hand's lenght is just like you 'sight': handsome for a hand but short for a sight. Hey Jon, do you have you thick glasses somewhere there within a...hand's reach? (hahaha!!!) Or may-be you attach them to your cardigan's button with an appropriate gauge/density/lenght string to pull them when they are too far. Come on Jon, don't be a girlie:) You want my measurements and picture? I preffer only female girls though:Þ * take care! _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re: Re:Jon
Hey Jon, thanks for your beautiful reply! I have to use this pther email now because mine is set up with some option that doesen't "digest" code. Someone was greatly helpful from the list and gave me hints at how to change options for 'code' which i'll try soon. Happy New Year! R p.s. and, you DO feel the Inent: as music, and other abstract things, you even manipulate it without knowing it:)))! It's not something like BAM!! out-of-body experience!!! It can be most of the time very very subtle, yet there, making the essence of things...its a feeling. Life is a feeling >From: "Jon Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: ,"carlos flores" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: Re:Jon >Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 02:16:37 -0500 > >Carlos, > >I agree entirely - I misspoke. Music is defined within one's self. My >intent >was merely to describe the transmission process from an external source, >and >it was triggered by R's "tongue in cheek" speculation on conical strings. I >should have said that the ear defines what we physically hear, not what we >sense. A well educated "ear" may hear a two note "open chord" and feel the >full sense of the chord. I fell into the trap of confusing the music with >the sound, mea culpa, but understandable as I've been working on the >technical aspects of the sounds of strings. > >As to Vibratory Force - Intent. That is above my pay grade. I am of a >generation that hasn't given much attention to self examination, be it "new >Age" or "old Age". The 1956 book "The Silent Generation" was written by a >Princeton professor based on interviews with my friends and classmates. >They >were all anonymous, but I could name them by the interviews - and they >weren't really representative, as they talked about themselves. I think you >characterized the "new Agers" quite well - and in the 70s they did claim to >sharpen razor blades with mini pyramids (but to the best of my knowledge >none of them tried to shave with them). > >I haven't the vaguest idea who John Keely is, nor what his Solar System is. >The music of the spheres is a concept that I think dates back to the >ancient >Greeks, but if not then to the Middle Ages. A semi religious sense of the >organization of the universe. But it has been too many years for me to >remember the source of the phrase. > >I'm afraid I'm an inveterate materialist (in the sense of the physical >universe, not in the sense of personal possessions). I see no invisible >forces influencing us (excepting the confirmed statistical effect of the >full moon on police reports, and the physical effect on the tides). I am >interested in vibrating String Theory (both that of musical strings and the >13 dimensional galactic sized "strings" that are being proposed as a basis >of modern astrophysics). But I'm only investigating the musical strings. > >Oh what a boring man I must be, I am not in contact with any Force. Nor do >I >introspect as to my Intent. I just like to play and hear music (much of it >internal), watch a bird fly and wish I could do it, shape a piece of wood >into something beautiful and read books (history, mystery, thrillers and >chillers). (That was incomplete, but I liked the rhymes). Being in my 70th >year it is probably that I'll find the eternal answers (if they are there) >sooner than most of you. I'd just as soon wait as long as possible. > >Best, Jon > > >..i feel differently about Music, I can hear music without >any physical vibrations in the air, can hear it, grasp it >and put it on paper. Then it can appear as a alternate >sequence of variating air densities, but it was >already Music even before that. >The solely concern >of "creating alternate compressions in the air"-you can't be >that 'Technical' to the core can you? There is >more than the physical part to music-it's Feeling. Feeling is >Intent. We are Humans--much more than >machines. Machines can detect "vocabulary" and syntax commands, >mesure frequencies, classify in neat >taxonomy categories, detect faults and missmatches etc, but >cannot be aware of Feeling. > >I (or millions others) can write a musical piece and Intend >you to feel a particular feeling, mood or even image >from it. Without any "syntax", no "vocabulary". And if >my Intending has been impeccable, if I had enough personal >power, energy and selflesness, then such a music can >move you to feel inexplicable joy, longing..: whatever >the feeling at hand is-even from a sh-i-tt-y LoFi recording >that doesn't challenge even
100th monkey New Year:)
Dear Musical Beings! Happy New Year with lots of joy, health, inner peace, music, and integrity! I'd like to say a few words about our being human: We are human beings who are naturally connected. What divides us are purely "intellectual" notions of mental doctrines of all kind. They feed us with such dividing doctrines from childhood to exhaustion, and in the end we finish by being even 'emotionally' attached to such idiologies and empty idealities. I feel this pathetic, emotional attachment and pride for purely mental notions and words is absurd, yet, in the bottom of most homisidal conflicts. I wish to all (and myself included) not to take themselves too seriously and personally. To make it a habit to laugh at oneself, just the same way we make it a habit to get constantly tense and defend ourselves. This is really hard to be practiced with people and things that "get" us. But, hey, once it is defined as a purpose, we will succeed little by little, in little steps, with practice:) I feel the key to this is to break the continuity a tensness in a difficult interaction and to breath and laugh at oneself internally. I feel this has a lot to do with playing music, especially performing. We mostly get tense in front of public for two reasons: bad preparation (or body attitude) and taking suddenly oneself too seriously. I feel that when several people (despite geography etc) in the world are set on an abstract purpose in unison, then a "mood" is created that cary this purpose and so it can affect others too in a positive way. In the "hundred monkeys" phenomenon observed by anthropologists some small group of monkeys suddenly started to use some stick as a tool to eat some potatos in an island. Very soon, all monkeys in the archipelago started doing the same, never observed before gesture, although the islands were completely isolate physically. This phenomenon, the behaviour some little fishes that form a shark, and people and animals (and even photons!) shows that we are all interconnected in some sort of a network where feeling and information can be exchanged and propagated. This 'network' is beyound time/space dependencies. So they said that the monkeys succeeded to 'proprgate' their new habit after they had acquired a "critical mass", after the hundredth monkey:) Thus the name of the phenomenon. So it may sound naive, but who cares, we can build concensus of human beings and lute players who put from time to time laughter and non-self-importance in the music:) and in the "network". We know that, otherwise, some others "work" anyway endlessly on floading the "network" with all kinds of dark and gloomy things that spread like sinister "chain-reactions". So, it sounds crazy, but who cares, for whatever it is worth and may-be like this we give something to our common humanity. Just a New Years wish:) nothing to report or discuss later. Rossein D _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
Re:Jon
>Whatever I can show on the "sillyscope" or prove as to the effects of >"spinning bodies" or conical strings on the actual tone production there is >only one instrument that can define music. The human ear, in my case its more the Heart that defines music, but it doesnt matter : big world, different ways >Music is sound, a complex >sound, yes. But still the alternate compressions and rarefactions of the >sound (air) wave can only be heard as music by that ancient receiver. ..i feel differently about Music, I can hear music without any physical vibrations in the air, can hear it, grasp it and put it on paper. Then it can appear as a alternate sequence of variating air densities, but it was already Music even before that. The solely concern of creating alternate compressions in the airyou cant be that Technical to the core can you? There is more than the physical part to musicits Feeling. Feeling is Intent. We are Humans--much more than machines. Machines can detect "vocabulary" and syntax commands, mesure frequencies, classify in neat taxonomy categories, detect faults and missmatches etc, but cannot be aware of Feeling. I (or millions others) can write a musical piece and Intend you to feel a particular feeling, mood or even image from it. Without any syntax, no vocabulary. And if my Intending has been impeccable, if I had enough personal power, energy and selflesness, then such a music can move you to feel inexplicable joy, longing..: whatever the feeling at hand iseven from a sh-i-tt-y LoFi recording that doesn't challenge even half of the humanly audable range of sound frequencies. The Vibratory Force-Intent, is ancient and mysterious, thats why its Old Age. Its everywhere and we can be friends with it or command it. It starts by starting to examine your true Intent for everything you do or say. Then youll discover that most of it is hooked on the Me, its a self-service (mastur...). The Cult of ME todaywe cant even give a gift nowadays without contaminating the whole thing with some issue of the Me and its endless worries for selfpresentation-lol. In New Age there is no need to examine Intent: you can just dress up in something, chant, and dance with some godesses in the forest (haha). A self presentation circus where in the end you stay the same a s s that you are (or even worse). So they sharpen razor blades in pyramids? I haven't heard of that but may-be they are simply pragmatic people that use a phenomenon, not "new-agers". Did it ever occure to you that this phenomenon may happen as a result of 'reversing time' effect in the pyramid (new age asside-lol)? The music of the spheres--John Keely's Solar System? One thing is for sure---this world is more mysterious and wonderous than we can ever dream of. To open its wonders one need to explore honestly without preconcieved judgements. There is one branch in philosophy called phenomenology. There one is to attempt to look at the world without priory. Epoche. >have a few problems with your "like wow" vocabulary, but I think I'm >working my way through it (and enjoying it). Joy makes perfect:) "like wow"...haha--makes one think of the way 'Valley Girl's talk-they've got this lingo and one can be amazed at the number of concepts they can "communicate" with 2-3 words. Unfortunately, they're not really carried by genres that deal with abstractions or subtleties...like, yeah, whatever (lololol) _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
