[LUTE] Re: And another question about nylguts (was: Carbon strings?)
Arto, No problems with nylgut at all. Recently I was playing in Caccini's opera. No time to tune - playing all the time. At least not for the theorbist, only strings tuning their guts frequently, harpsichord during the interval (I had 2 minutes when he finished), but everything in tune. You just have to compromise when to put them on. Best Jaroslaw W dniu 2010-06-07 21:53, wikla pisze: And still about synhetics: David T. (dt) wrote here lately that Mimmo's nylgut strings have some overtone problems, some uneven(?) behaviour. Is that something that is generally noticed or found? Or was that only dt's private feeling? Mimmo, do you have any idea about dt's comments of this? Arto PS Planning to order more gut strings... A new world to me... Quite different, quite wonderful... ;) And complicated and worrying... On Mon, 07 Jun 2010 23:31:23 +0300, wiklawi...@cs.helsinki.fi wrote: Dearest lute gang, one question about the carbon string material (=high density hydrocarbon polymer): I have been using it much, but I have always ordered it from lute string makers. But as far as I know, this material was developed for a non lute world (fishing?). So, does anyone here really know, if the lute string carbon and the fishing line carbon are the same thing and the same quality? If yes, please let me know, where to get this quality fishing carbon? I guess the fishers order their stuff in 100's of meters, and to me a couple of meters is the maximum per one string. In the fisher's way, those unpackaged strings could be _very_ economical to us lutenists? Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: And another question about nylguts (was: Carbon strings?)
Yep Jaroslaw, no tuning problems with nylguts! Easily in tune also here... But that was not the question. It was about dt's claim about the overtones behaving stranglely in nylgut. Any other player found anything like that? Any laboratory measurements? Just interesting, not important... Nylgut sounds nice to me - as any synthetics - actually feel better to the fingers... ;) Arto On Mon, 07 Jun 2010 22:14:22 +0100, Jarosław Lipski jaroslawlip...@wp.pl wrote: Arto, No problems with nylgut at all. Recently I was playing in Caccini's opera. No time to tune - playing all the time. At least not for the theorbist, only strings tuning their guts frequently, harpsichord during the interval (I had 2 minutes when he finished), but everything in tune. You just have to compromise when to put them on. Best Jaroslaw W dniu 2010-06-07 21:53, wikla pisze: And still about synhetics: David T. (dt) wrote here lately that Mimmo's nylgut strings have some overtone problems, some uneven(?) behaviour. Is that something that is generally noticed or found? Or was that only dt's private feeling? Mimmo, do you have any idea about dt's comments of this? Arto PS Planning to order more gut strings... A new world to me... Quite different, quite wonderful... ;) And complicated and worrying... On Mon, 07 Jun 2010 23:31:23 +0300, wiklawi...@cs.helsinki.fi wrote: Dearest lute gang, one question about the carbon string material (=high density hydrocarbon polymer): I have been using it much, but I have always ordered it from lute string makers. But as far as I know, this material was developed for a non lute world (fishing?). So, does anyone here really know, if the lute string carbon and the fishing line carbon are the same thing and the same quality? If yes, please let me know, where to get this quality fishing carbon? I guess the fishers order their stuff in 100's of meters, and to me a couple of meters is the maximum per one string. In the fisher's way, those unpackaged strings could be _very_ economical to us lutenists? Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: And another question about nylguts (was: Carbon strings?)
Arto, I don't have any gear to measure it, but it sounds true to my ears. Aren't our ears what really counts? Jaroslaw W dniu 2010-06-07 22:45, wikla pisze: Yep Jaroslaw, no tuning problems with nylguts! Easily in tune also here... But that was not the question. It was about dt's claim about the overtones behaving stranglely in nylgut. Any other player found anything like that? Any laboratory measurements? Just interesting, not important... Nylgut sounds nice to me - as any synthetics - actually feel better to the fingers... ;) Arto On Mon, 07 Jun 2010 22:14:22 +0100, Jarosław Lipski jaroslawlip...@wp.pl wrote: Arto, No problems with nylgut at all. Recently I was playing in Caccini's opera. No time to tune - playing all the time. At least not for the theorbist, only strings tuning their guts frequently, harpsichord during the interval (I had 2 minutes when he finished), but everything in tune. You just have to compromise when to put them on. Best Jaroslaw W dniu 2010-06-07 21:53, wikla pisze: And still about synhetics: David T. (dt) wrote here lately that Mimmo's nylgut strings have some overtone problems, some uneven(?) behaviour. Is that something that is generally noticed or found? Or was that only dt's private feeling? Mimmo, do you have any idea about dt's comments of this? Arto PS Planning to order more gut strings... A new world to me... Quite different, quite wonderful... ;) And complicated and worrying... On Mon, 07 Jun 2010 23:31:23 +0300, wiklawi...@cs.helsinki.fi wrote: Dearest lute gang, one question about the carbon string material (=high density hydrocarbon polymer): I have been using it much, but I have always ordered it from lute string makers. But as far as I know, this material was developed for a non lute world (fishing?). So, does anyone here really know, if the lute string carbon and the fishing line carbon are the same thing and the same quality? If yes, please let me know, where to get this quality fishing carbon? I guess the fishers order their stuff in 100's of meters, and to me a couple of meters is the maximum per one string. In the fisher's way, those unpackaged strings could be _very_ economical to us lutenists? Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: And another question about nylguts (was: Carbon strings?)
Arto, I've noticed that the overtones of nylgut are not as consistent as other synthetic materials. Maybe this is because of the textured surface. But isn't that the point? I thought this was purposely done in order to mimic the naturally occurring irregularities of gut. Having said that, there is nothing at all wrong with this. Generally speaking, the more prevalent the overtones,, the more character a tone has. This was the whole reason for neck extensions; a long bass string prominently exposes the second overtone (12th or 5th) which makes for a brassy tone that can easily cut through an ensemble. Chris Christopher Wilke Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer www.christopherwilke.com --- On Mon, 6/7/10, wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi wrote: From: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi Subject: [LUTE] Re: And another question about nylguts (was: Carbon strings?) To: Jarosław Lipski jaroslawlip...@wp.pl Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 5:45 PM Yep Jaroslaw, no tuning problems with nylguts! Easily in tune also here... But that was not the question. It was about dt's claim about the overtones behaving stranglely in nylgut. Any other player found anything like that? Any laboratory measurements? Just interesting, not important... Nylgut sounds nice to me - as any synthetics - actually feel better to the fingers... ;) Arto On Mon, 07 Jun 2010 22:14:22 +0100, Jarosław Lipski jaroslawlip...@wp.pl wrote: Arto, No problems with nylgut at all. Recently I was playing in Caccini's opera. No time to tune - playing all the time. At least not for the theorbist, only strings tuning their guts frequently, harpsichord during the interval (I had 2 minutes when he finished), but everything in tune. You just have to compromise when to put them on. Best Jaroslaw W dniu 2010-06-07 21:53, wikla pisze: And still about synhetics: David T. (dt) wrote here lately that Mimmo's nylgut strings have some overtone problems, some uneven(?) behaviour. Is that something that is generally noticed or found? Or was that only dt's private feeling? Mimmo, do you have any idea about dt's comments of this? Arto PS Planning to order more gut strings... A new world to me... Quite different, quite wonderful... ;) And complicated and worrying... On Mon, 07 Jun 2010 23:31:23 +0300, wiklawi...@cs.helsinki.fi wrote: Dearest lute gang, one question about the carbon string material (=high density hydrocarbon polymer): I have been using it much, but I have always ordered it from lute string makers. But as far as I know, this material was developed for a non lute world (fishing?). So, does anyone here really know, if the lute string carbon and the fishing line carbon are the same thing and the same quality? If yes, please let me know, where to get this quality fishing carbon? I guess the fishers order their stuff in 100's of meters, and to me a couple of meters is the maximum per one string. In the fisher's way, those unpackaged strings could be _very_ economical to us lutenists? Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
