[LUTE] Re: G Theorbo or movie prop+Jean-Marie Poirier?
Ed, Here is my personal photo of L'Ensemble Phal=E8se Consort (The Little Big-Band), Pascal Gallon is directing on the left, and Jean- Marie Poirer, is second from the right in the front row (taken at a music festival in Caen, where Jacob Heringman was the guest). You will see that he is indeed left-handed. http://tinyurl.com/35ewba Jean-Marie, as Lina Messina says has at least two very interesting web sites. He also uses, at least some gut on his lute, as he told me he still has some of the original loaded strings in use on one of his lutes. http://poirierjm.free.fr/ http://le.luth.free.fr/ I hope your trip to the museum of music goes well. Regards Anthony Le 2 fevr. 08 =E0 08:10, Edward Martin a ecrit : At 10:25 PM 2/1/2008 -0800, howard posner wrote: All that said, the answer to the original question is that the lute player is really playing a real liuto attiorbato, in sync. I don't think it's Lislevand, because he plays left-handed (unlike the theorbo player in the orchestra scenes). I did not think that Lislevand plays left handed, or are you referring to the player in the movie? It does not appear anything like Lislevand. Is there not a law, or rather a contract issue with non-actors (i.e., musicians) acting in movies? ed Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: G Theorbo or movie prop+Jean-Marie Poirier?
I think I had problems sending this message, sorry if it is duplicated... Thanks Tony, Anthony and Lino for the kind words and link to my webpage. Don't be mistaken : Lino is also a talented player, the only thing is he is right-handed; nobody's perfect... ;-))) ! Well, Tony, if I remember well - the film was shot in 1991...- I think there is one scene where we can see the hands of Jean-Louis Charbonnier when JP MArielle is doing Air Viol the rest of the time (as someone said before). JL,Charbonnier was in charge of teaching the actors how to hold a viol and move their arms to give the impression they could really play...You can appreciate the results. Some were obviously more gifted than others, weren't they ? I fake play on the song Une jeune fillette but it's true I played along and Marielle didn't for the simple reason that I'm a lute player and he is NOT a viol player, but an excellent actor anyway. In the scene with the two Sainte Colombe girls, I play a lute made by the English maker John Gorrett in 1980. It isn't a copy an Italian model but was inspired by different models, Sellas included. It is not a faithful copy of an extant instrument really. I still use this instrument as an archlute and it works quite well indeed. I think that's it for my memorabilia ;-). Tony, hope to see you at our concert on Saturday ! Best to eveybody, Jean-Marie Poirier [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02-02-2008 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: G Theorbo or movie prop?
All that said, the answer to the original question is that the lute player is really playing a real liuto attiorbato, in sync. I don't think it's Lislevand, because he plays left-handed Ehm... No, he doesnt... But he does play a very small right-handed theorbo. The reason he chose a small instrument is simply practical. A small instrument is easier to bring on an airplane! Are To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: G Theorbo or movie prop?
Michael, the scene is on YouTube. The fingering not synching drives me crazy in that movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ9xqBsROBQ On 2/1/08, Michael Bocchicchio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone remember the instrument used in the movie All the Mornings of the World to accompany the two girls singing Un Jeune Fillette? The liner notes on the disc say R. Lislevand- theorbo. It has been some years since I saw the movie, but I remember marveling at this instrument having a very short neck extension and strangely attached/placed upper peg box. At the time, I summed it up to an unfamiliar French variation of the English theorbo, or a pure Hollywood style movie prop. If It is a prop, it's a little puzzling as to why, with Jordi Sovall as music director, a fictional instrument would be written into the screen play. Does a historical example of such an instrument exist? Could it be a historically plausible instrument bridging the transition from bass lute to theorbo? Can anyone shed some light on this subject? MB To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: G Theorbo or movie prop?
Michael, musepi, The movie itself didn't sync up because the actors didn't play the instruments we heard. I confess I watched most of the movie with my eyes closed. Sean On Feb 1, 2008, at 8:25 PM, Lisa Sass wrote: Michael, the scene is on YouTube. The fingering not synching drives me crazy in that movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ9xqBsROBQ On 2/1/08, Michael Bocchicchio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone remember the instrument used in the movie All the Mornings of the World to accompany the two girls singing Un Jeune Fillette? The liner notes on the disc say R. Lislevand- theorbo. It has been some years since I saw the movie, but I remember marveling at this instrument having a very short neck extension and strangely attached/placed upper peg box. At the time, I summed it up to an unfamiliar French variation of the English theorbo, or a pure Hollywood style movie prop. If It is a prop, it's a little puzzling as to why, with Jordi Sovall as music director, a fictional instrument would be written into the screen play. Does a historical example of such an instrument exist? Could it be a historically plausible instrument bridging the transition from bass lute to theorbo? Can anyone shed some light on this subject? MB To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: G Theorbo or movie prop?
On Feb 1, 2008, at 8:43 PM, Sean Smith wrote: The movie itself didn't sync up because the actors didn't play the instruments we heard. I confess I watched most of the movie with my eyes closed. True, the on-camera playing would have looked more realistic had they used the Muppets, who do that sort of thing really well. But you may have missed the point, Sean. Let me take this opportunity to remind the lute community of Steve Hendricks' web site for the air lute http://thehendricks.net/air_lute.htm , an invaluable scholarly resource. He places Tous les Matins in proper perspective: In the movie Tous les matins du monde, the actor playing Ste. Colombe has pioneered a new area of musical endeavor. He essentially plays Air Viol, although he does so while actually holding a viol and bow! His mastery of Air Viol technique is apparent when his fingers and bow do not move with the music and fretting occurs with truly virtuosic randomness. There could be ample opportunities to apply this new and exciting concept to Air Lute, perhaps in a movie about John Dowland. It could really bring out the lack in Lachrimae. All that said, the answer to the original question is that the lute player is really playing a real liuto attiorbato, in sync. I don't think it's Lislevand, because he plays left-handed (unlike the theorbo player in the orchestra scenes). I'm sure one of the European correspondents remembers his name. An Italian lute is an interesting choice for this quintessentially French story. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: G Theorbo or movie prop?
At 10:25 PM 2/1/2008 -0800, howard posner wrote: All that said, the answer to the original question is that the lute player is really playing a real liuto attiorbato, in sync. I don't think it's Lislevand, because he plays left-handed (unlike the theorbo player in the orchestra scenes). I did not think that Lislevand plays left handed, or are you referring to the player in the movie? It does not appear anything like Lislevand. Is there not a law, or rather a contract issue with non-actors (i.e., musicians) acting in movies? ed Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: G Theorbo or movie prop?
Dear Lutelist, The lute player is Mr Jean-Marie Poirier and it is a true talented left hand French lute player! Here is his interesting web site: http://poirierjm.free.fr/ Best regard Lino -Message d'origine- De : howard posner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : samedi 2 février 2008 07:25 À : Lute Net Objet : [LUTE] Re: G Theorbo or movie prop? On Feb 1, 2008, at 8:43 PM, Sean Smith wrote: The movie itself didn't sync up because the actors didn't play the instruments we heard. I confess I watched most of the movie with my eyes closed. True, the on-camera playing would have looked more realistic had they used the Muppets, who do that sort of thing really well. But you may have missed the point, Sean. Let me take this opportunity to remind the lute community of Steve Hendricks' web site for the air lute http://thehendricks.net/air_lute.htm , an invaluable scholarly resource. He places Tous les Matins in proper perspective: In the movie Tous les matins du monde, the actor playing Ste. Colombe has pioneered a new area of musical endeavor. He essentially plays Air Viol, although he does so while actually holding a viol and bow! His mastery of Air Viol technique is apparent when his fingers and bow do not move with the music and fretting occurs with truly virtuosic randomness. There could be ample opportunities to apply this new and exciting concept to Air Lute, perhaps in a movie about John Dowland. It could really bring out the lack in Lachrimae. All that said, the answer to the original question is that the lute player is really playing a real liuto attiorbato, in sync. I don't think it's Lislevand, because he plays left-handed (unlike the theorbo player in the orchestra scenes). I'm sure one of the European correspondents remembers his name. An Italian lute is an interesting choice for this quintessentially French story. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
